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dirknb@hotmail.com
04-02-2009, 08:03 AM
I don't agree with everything David says, but there is some very interesting information in this piece nonetheless. He is the guy in 2012 Enigma that is on my TrueWorldHistory.info website.

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"THE ANTI-OBAMA MOVEMENT

I have never taken as much abuse for this policy as I have since Obama became a major Presidential candidate, and particularly since he won the election and instantly became the new epicenter of online conspiracy theorists’ "rage against the machine."

Neither Alex Jones nor Jeff Rense, the two biggest players in the anti-Obama conspiracy media, seem to be aware of the massive amount of lies and propaganda being written and fed to them from within the Neocon and Illuminati factions themselves, causing them to deliberately overlook the vast majority of evidence that counters their established positions.

I respect both of these men for their courage, bravery and intelligence. I have active subscriptions to both of their MP3 archives. I have been reading both of their websites since I first got online in 1995. I have never been invited to appear on either of their shows, which is fine. I sincerely hope their information is never obstructed, as historically it has been extremely beneficial to know these things and be aware of the bigger picture.

Jeff’s site used to go into a lot more detail about UFOs and the hopeful aspects of what is going on in the world, and it has changed quite a bit in the last several years. James Neff’s beautiful CG animations of UFOs in the sky have now been replaced by David Dees’ inflammatory political graphics, and the bulk of writers seem to be more negative, sarcastic and savagely opinionated than I ever remember them being in the past.

I seem to be one of the only scholars out there who is simultaneously aware of the insider politics and has not joined the nearly-unanimous anti-Obama internet conspiracy brigade. Does this mean I’m hopelessly wrong and lost? Time will tell. Time will tell.


SIMPLICITY IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD IDEA

It is very easy to target a single figure, such as a politician, and be angry at him or her, rather than understand the deeper story of what you are being shown.

Jones’ latest film, "The Obama Deception," identifies 10-12 members of Obama’s cabinet as being in one or more of these three groups: the Bilderberger Group, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. It also effectively proves that he attended a Bilderberger meeting himself.

However, this is not sufficient to prove that these people are all working on the same page. Though you can prove that Obama has some of these people in his cabinet, you cannot prove that he is working for the groups they represent, or that he is their ‘puppet.’ And there is an ever-increasing body of evidence that strongly suggests he is working to bring these rogue groups down.

Both Jones and Rense have a lot on their hands, keeping afloat in a difficult economy, constantly updating their sites with many different articles, running daily radio shows and in Jones’ case, full-time video production and frequent community activist work as well.

With so much going on in both cases, it is very difficult to have the time to notice all the subtleties of the "Big Picture," particularly because it is so compartmentalized that no one person has all the answers. You really do need to have an exceptional memory and incredible research skills to assemble a view of what is really going on.

It also helps, strongly, to be able to interview real insiders who would never dream of speaking to someone like Jones or Rense, because they would consider it a death sentence. I have been blessed to have multiple opportunities to speak with people who have very compelling, singularly valuable testimonies, and yet are almost completely unrepresented in either the Jones or Rense platforms.

And though I’ve beaten this drum many times, and my email attackers completely ignore me on this point since there is no adequate defense that can be mounted, the Voice of the White House source — sarcastic and mean-spirited as he can be — has very consistently demonstrated his accuracy over the last four years or so.

Ever since Obama got on the scene, nearly a year ago, the Voice of the White House has given a consistent view of the sheer panic amongst the elite insiders about the possibility of Obama winning, because of the fact that he is not under their control, and does not have sufficient "dirty laundry" to be easily blackmailed.


AT LEAST FIVE MAJOR ‘INSIDER’ FACTIONS

From the combined testimony of many different sources, including those I have interviewed myself who have largely avoided publicity, we now can identify at least five major factions at work here:

1. Faction 1A: The Rothschild-based "Illuminati." Overthrew traditional European royalty and seized control of much of European power and finance. Also controls the American Federal Reserve. Historically has controlled and managed the ‘left’ in American politics, through the Democratic Party. Almost exclusively Caucasian, with a heavy mystery-school / Masonic / secret society focus, and a Luciferian belief system.

ucifer is the wronged good guy in their system, not Satan or the Devil. They fought savagely and desperately for Hillary to win the election, including having Lady de Rothschild publicly go on television to denounce Obama — even to the point of defecting to McCain!

The Illuminati had believed in Hillary’s victory strongly enough to write in a woman president to this year’s episodes of "24." They also put in a very strong death threat against Obama by having an African-American president who was then assassinated on the show, prior to the female president taking office. Is it any wonder Obama didn’t offer Hillary the vice-presidential slot, but gave her a position to quell the opposition?

This group does have a certain amount of ET-derived technologies and treaties with negative ETs such as the Annunaki, but have far less use and development of these technologies than the rival New World Order faction.

Though they planned on engineering a "planned economic collapse that would make the Great Depression look like a Sunday School picnic," they have been utterly brutalized by the real-world effects of what has happened once the plug was pulled. War is very messy and almost never goes as you planned, and they are now desperate to stop the bleeding.

Their companies — the big banks, brokerage houses, insurance giants and the like — have been savagely weakened and / or bankrupted by this collapse. They are desperate for the latest round of bailout monies to stay afloat. Yet Obama’s administration is forcing them to give up nothing short of their firstborn, and submit to drastic regulations, if they wish their companies to survive in any form.


2. Faction 1B: The Rockefeller-based "New World Order." The Neo-Con / Fundamentalist Christian / Republican Right in America.

Though it is the inheritor of the German tradition from World War II, it schizoidally functions as Fundamentalist Christian, and is sympathetic to their cause. In the deeper sense it is only a recent "offshoot" of the Illuminati, and has even greater sympathy with their occultist perspective. Also calls themselves the "Brotherhood of Death" thanks to their history with the Skull and Bones secret society.

Israel has a heavy influence in this group, but this is primarily through blackmail and other forms of coercion. That alliance has already shown signs of splintering in recent months.

The New World Order faction fought savagely to have McCain / Palin win the Presidential election, threatening full-scale race war and revolution by how bitter the attacks against Obama were waged, including the Reverend Wright footage and fanning the flames of interracial unrest. Responsible for planning and controlling 9/11 to cement their economic and political power shortly after rigging the 2000 election to install George W. Bush as President.

This faction controls a great deal of back-engineered ET technology, and thus can do a great deal of damage. Had they won the election, we almost certainly would be in a dramatically expanded war at this point, with attacks against Iran threatening to cascade into a wider regional conflict in the Middle East and eventually, they had hoped, into the next world war. This is their classic ploy to save the economy while reducing population, and thus "saving the world", at the same time.

The Twin Towers could not have been brought down with so little remaining debris, at free-fall speed, without the advanced technologies this group has at work — including the conventional demolition tools as well as mini-nkes and top-secret disintegration beam capabilities to destroy the support columns and vaporize all the concrete into dust, which in turn blanketed the entire city and was unfortunately radio-active.

They are now very seriously on the ropes, their political power all but destroyed, and sliding further and further down by the day. Their acts are becoming ever-increasingly transparent and desperate as a result, and action cannot be taken swiftly enough to expose and nullify their influence.

As Benjamin Fulford has indicated — and I agree — this is the group that must be stopped first and foremost. Their loss of the Presidential election has already gone a long way towards sealing their defeat.

This group was very likely responsible for the recent airline disaster I wrote about, where two women met with Obama about re-opening 9/11 hearings, and their plane went down in flames a week later. No one in the anti-Obama conspiracy crowd has mentioned my article or realized this connection themselves, though it is very obvious that this was no ordinary plane crash.

This group, more than any of the other factions, completely owns and controls a major corporate news network — none other than that bastion of "Fair and Balanced Media," Fox.


3. "Faction 2": The true historic Knight Templars and Davidic Bloodlines. Traditional royal families and their offshoots, most of whom have been deposed and wiped out by the Illuminati long ago, and / or replaced with rival Illuminati families who then claimed their own royalty. The Knight Templar group was also infiltrated by the Illuminati faction and taken over, though Faction 2 claims to have preserved their original traditions.

This group has historically been called the "White Hats" or the "Good Guys" amidst the secret factions. I have learned a substantial amount about them through my discussions with Rayelan Allan, whose husband Gunther was very high-ranking in the group, as was she, for having been born into it herself — though he had far more contact with them than she did.

"Faction 2" used to lump the Illuminati and New World Order groups together as "Faction One," and apparently the NWO faction was overtly in cooperation with the Rothschild / Illuminati faction up until as late as 1996, when a top Rothschild was found assassinated and it was apparently a Rockefeller reprisal for a similar high-level assassination from the 1970s. (I will share this data in a future article.)

Hence these were not categorized as separate groups by Faction 2. What we now call the New World Order was, at the time, simply called the "East Coast Elite" within Faction One.

The reality on the ground is that Faction 2 has had to use similar ‘tradecraft’ and dirty tricks as the Illuminati / NWO factions in order to avoid being wiped out by them, as individuals and as nations. Until Rayelan’s testimony came along I did not have sufficient information to really know if this group even existed, but I haven’t even begun to summarize everything I’ve learned from her. It will be substantial.

In her own way she is as valuable as a Henry Deacon or a Benjamin Fulford in terms of scope and complexity of what she brings to the table. I am encouraged to find out that this group really does exist — my readings mentioned them in the late 1990s — and they appear to have humanity’s best interests at heart, though I do not agree with everything I have heard about them and their approach. I am open to learning more.

They are far and away the most deeply involved of all the groups in advanced secret projects and technologies, and this is because they have apparently preserved this heritage all along. Most likely this is also something that only the people at the top of the organization are aware of, for the sake of security.

Ever since the times of Atlantis they have had stargate technology, advanced UFO-style flying craft and other such technology. They have been the insider group most consistently pushing for disclosure and trying to reveal the truth at a speed that humanity can tolerate.

Henry Deacon has had jobs working for all the above factions at various times, and in his work with the Faction 2 / Templar elements he was told that they have always had these technologies, kept in secret. They never pushed any negative teachings on him at these assignments — nothing about genocide, Luciferian philosophy or the like. Henry laughed when I tried to pin down a date for when they came into possession of these technologies.

According to Rayelan, Faction 2 was behind the King of Bavaria bringing down Weishaupt’s Illuminati in the 1700s. They are also the true American Founding Fathers, the original group that created the American Revolution to throw off Illuminati control. They obviously are putting out movies that expose the Illuminati agenda and / or reveal inside information.

This would include 2001, 2010, Eyes Wide Shut (which cost Kubrick his life,) Contact, the first Tomb Raider movie, the Lord of the Rings series, the Narnia series as well as the entire Star Wars series of George Lucas. The Star Wars "prequels" in particular were very relevant to real-world issues amongst these warring inside factions.

It appears that Obama’s candidacy has been supported by this group, though at this point we have no concrete evidence to support the idea. Richard Hoagland points out compelling suggestions of this collaboration in his recent conference footage, "The Hyperdimensional Election of Barack Obama."


4. The New International Group — Russia / Asian Secret Societies faction. Thanks to Benjamin Fulford, who used to be the primary Asian commentator for Forbes Magazine, we know that the Asian countries have largely thrown off the Illuminati and NWO, and Russia is now completely free of these influences. India is another major player in this group, along with many other smaller countries including much of South America.

This group is not occult in nature, nor does it seem to have any spiritual philosophy per se, other than "Do No Harm." En masse, they have so quickly grown into an economic power that we have silently gone from the Group of Eight nations, or "G8," to the Group of Twenty, or "G20" that is meeting right now. Is it not ironic how there has been virtually NO discussion of this in the Western mainstream media?

This group now has the financial muscle to shut down the others completely, but that is not what they want. They are pushing for a much fairer and saner world financial system, and are very likely going to get their wish.Obama’s administration is almost certainly aware of them and cooperating with them to some degree.

This Russian / Asian faction has the full use of all the advanced "torsion field" technologies developed by the Russians, largely in secret, over the last century. It is very likely that they are aware of and have worked with the Templar "white hat" Faction 2, and certainly have worked with the last group, the Middle East faction.


5. The Middle East / Order of Assassins faction. There is a great secret tradition in the Middle East as well, which is most greatly realized in the secret Sufi traditions. This group apparently does not posssess much advanced technology, but does retain the ancient magical traditions.

Other factions have been fascinated by the Sufi wisdom and have sought to implement it. This group was also historically responsible for the Order of Assassins, and their research into political murders was implemented by the other groups due to its extreme effectiveness.

This group has been both the "good guy" and the "bad guy" over the generations, and the closest they came to worldwide power was through the Ottoman Empire. They have a substantial financial stake in world affairs thanks to their control of the oil economy. Last year’s drop in oil prices was partially designed by the New World Order faction to destroy their political influence by bankrupting them, but it appears to have completely failed.

This group has historically cooperated with the New World Order and the Illuminati to varying degrees, and for a time had access to Looking Glass technology, allowing them a window into the future. They now appear to have largely, if not completely turned against both of these groups.

They now seem to be increasingly sympathetic with the New International Group and may well have already formalized some sort of treaty with them. Again, they will push for a new, saner, fairer and more regulated financial system that stops these grandiose abuses from occurring. We can also expect much more cooperation with the Obama administration.


MORE COMPLEX THAN IT APPEARS

Though all these groups are secret, only two of them are predominantly negative — the New World Order and the Illuminati. Those two groups are also actively working to bring each other down over deep internal differences in philosophy and divergent desires for power and control.

According to Rayelan, the Templar faction has been planning the economic collapse we are now going through for "well over a hundred years," and all along it was intended to bankrupt Faction One (now the Illuminati and the New World Order) and nullify their negative influence. This largely appears to have succeeded.

And amazingly, I have found prophetic statements from within my own readings that suggests this was all known and foreseen in 1999, which I will share in my next article.

ASK THE QUESTIONS

Jones invites the viewers of his films to question his data and not accept it blindly, and I fully accept that invitation. When he says towards the end of "The Obama Deception" that Obama is "more of the same" and was ‘put in’ as a ‘puppet’ who will "serve and protect the international bankers," I must disagree.

I disagree not by mere opinion, but by the incredible thrust of news stories emerging every day, showing us how the old systems are being torn apart in real time. Once I have put all this data together in a short, summarized form it will be very impressive. At that point my critics will be relying more upon their beliefs than upon the actual data.

Remember… hate quickly becomes religious in scope, and often loses touch with any grounded reality. This is precisely what happened to me in my own life. The people I associated with wanted to be first, and because I consistently worked for the greater good rather than the individual, I suffered for it. Most of them still see me through a negative lens for this very reason.

The very same thing applies to Obama. If you’ve read and believed the negative articles, and found a sense of satisfaction and ‘payoff’ by being one of the ‘few’ who is "Not Brainwashed By The Mainstream Media and Sees That Obama is the Antichrist," then at this point it will take overwhelming evidence to convince you otherwise… and it may not even be possible, regardless of what happens.

Now Fox News is trying to harness this collective negativity — largely seeded by this same New World Order / Neocon faction — and use it as momentum to organize a secessionist movement, attempting to destroy the Union to create the "Fox Nation."

Are you laughing? I kid you not: this is very real. Here’s the poster they’ve created that links back to the website, which will debut this coming Monday.

It will be interesting to see how long this blatant, open display of treason can last. I doubt it will go anywhere near as far as they had hoped, given the fantastic hypocrisy within this faction that is so effectively being brought down through staged comedy such as that seen on Saturday Night Live, the John Stewart show and the Colbert Report.

I also hope that the anti-Obama brigades can clearly see from this latest bizarre move by Fox that corporate America very much does NOT support the Obama administration, and wants to harness all their public fury into an effective revolutionary instrument, so as to regain their corporate stranglehold of America.

It will not work.

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bossman068410
04-02-2009, 08:07 AM
This is a smear article to smack Jones with the UFO crowd. once people here UFO's then they dismiss the source.

zach
04-02-2009, 08:46 AM
I don't think I care for David Wilcock too much.. I don't get a good vibe from him.

I can understand all of this, but really, he makes Obama to be this person that most people despise. If the corporations really wanted him offed, then something would have happened.

This article makes a completely different story as if the corporations are struggling to battle him for control of the people.

Ugh.

dirknb@hotmail.com
04-02-2009, 08:51 AM
Yeah, I agree. I just think his info about the factions is interesting.

sevin
04-02-2009, 09:35 AM
I don't know where Wilcock gets his info, but it's very interesting and makes you think. I've thought about the idea of several factions a lot.

Mankind is better at nothing than disagreeing. If the CFR, the Bildergergs, the Trilateral Commission, The Banking Illuminati, and all these other groups want to take over and create a one world socialist dictatorship, who's to say they all agree on how to do it? In fact, they probably disagree and are competing with each other for power and influence.

This is probably why we haven't already seen WWIII and one world government. Too many delays as they battle it out with one another.

dirknb@hotmail.com
04-02-2009, 09:37 AM
Like G. Edward Griffin says, it's like a high stakes poker game. Sometimes the players argue and someone at the table shoots another player. But if the game is threatened they all band together to protect the game.

Kotin
04-02-2009, 09:55 AM
Yeah, I agree. I just think his info about the factions is interesting.

I respect David Wilcock a good amount.. I have read much of his work..

on this particular issue though, I will have to disagree.. I still cannot understand how he believes this when its so obvious that Obama is doing exactly what bush would have done...

nayjevin
04-02-2009, 10:02 AM
a common mistake is to believe that there is but one head to the octopus. in reality, it seems that there are several factions.

I have no opinions to the accuracy of the article in the OP, I choose not to research in that direction, as it is mentally draining and depressing to do so -- and using the information gained (even when factual) is no more successful at 'converting' people to the liberty movement than, say

http://www.nayjevin.com/steps/images/philosophyofliberty.swf

nayjevin
04-02-2009, 10:03 AM
Like G. Edward Griffin says, it's like a high stakes poker game. Sometimes the players argue and someone at the table shoots another player. But if the game is threatened they all band together to protect the game.

+1

zach
04-02-2009, 10:08 AM
Edit: After reading again, I think the factions are the most interesting.
I don't quite agree with him on the Obama stuff, but a lot of his other stuff is good.

dirknb@hotmail.com
04-02-2009, 10:29 AM
As much as there is that points to these various factions though, and I do believe they compete, I still think there is a single sharp point on the top of the pyramid.

dannno
04-02-2009, 10:46 AM
I respect David Wilcock a good amount.. I have read much of his work..

on this particular issue though, I will have to disagree.. I still cannot understand how he believes this when its so obvious that Obama is doing exactly what bush would have done...

Ya good point..and I also have to wonder why he mentioned Daily Show and Colbert Report attacking the Fox faction who is trying to take down Obama, while at the same time the Daily Show has been coming out strongly against Obama recently..

Just watch his show from March 31 at hulu.com or thedailyshow.com

pacelli
04-02-2009, 11:35 AM
He gives a different perspective on things, especially the recent Fox shift which Conza88 referred to in his post "What you will now see from the media".

VUK
04-02-2009, 03:17 PM
I quit reading at "Annunaki."

Danke
04-02-2009, 03:49 PM
This group does have a certain amount of ET-derived technologies and treaties with negative ETs such as the Annunaki, but have far less use and development of these technologies than the rival New World Order faction.

ETs? As in Extra Terrestrials?

zach
04-02-2009, 04:53 PM
ETs? As in Extra Terrestrials?

Yes.

Danke
04-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Yes.

We are sooo screwed then. I'm giving up and joining the winning team.

dannno
04-02-2009, 05:02 PM
We are sooo screwed then. I'm giving up and joining the winning team.

It's going to be the losing team.

Magicman
04-03-2009, 05:31 PM
I don't agree with everything David says, but there is some very interesting information in this piece nonetheless. He is the guy in 2012 Enigma that is on my TrueWorldHistory.info website.

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http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/note.php?note_id=63220649308&ref=nf

"THE ANTI-OBAMA MOVEMENT

I have never taken as much abuse for this policy as I have since Obama became a major Presidential candidate, and particularly since he won the election and instantly became the new epicenter of online conspiracy theorists’ "rage against the machine."

Neither Alex Jones nor Jeff Rense, the two biggest players in the anti-Obama conspiracy media, seem to be aware of the massive amount of lies and propaganda being written and fed to them from within the Neocon and Illuminati factions themselves, causing them to deliberately overlook the vast majority of evidence that counters their established positions.

I respect both of these men for their courage, bravery and intelligence. I have active subscriptions to both of their MP3 archives. I have been reading both of their websites since I first got online in 1995. I have never been invited to appear on either of their shows, which is fine. I sincerely hope their information is never obstructed, as historically it has been extremely beneficial to know these things and be aware of the bigger picture.

Jeff’s site used to go into a lot more detail about UFOs and the hopeful aspects of what is going on in the world, and it has changed quite a bit in the last several years. James Neff’s beautiful CG animations of UFOs in the sky have now been replaced by David Dees’ inflammatory political graphics, and the bulk of wrifyters seem to be more negative, sarcastic and savagely opinionated than I ever remember them being in the past.

I seem to be one of the only scholars out there who is simultaneously aware of the insider politics and has not joined the nearly-unanimous anti-Obama internet conspiracy brigade. Does this mean I’m hopelessly wrong and lost? Time will tell. Time will tell.


SIMPLICITY IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD IDEA

It is very easy to target a single figure, such as a politician, and be angry at him or her, rather than understand the deeper story of what you are being shown.

Jones’ latest film, "The Obama Deception," identifies 10-12 members of Obama’s cabinet as being in one or more of these three groups: the Bilderberger Group, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. It also effectively proves that he attended a Bilderberger meeting himself.

However, this is not sufficient to prove that these people are all working on the same page. Though you can prove that Obama has some of these people in his cabinet, you cannot prove that he is working for the groups they represent, or that he is their ‘puppet.’

I stopped reading after this right there. His WIFE is in the Council of foreign relations and most of his cabinet. What the hell is this guy trying to prove; it's OBVIOUS that Obama's intentions are inline with this group. He's a mole, and on top of that he just appoints an AIG director as apart of his cabinet.

It's becoming a silly joke that's all on us unfortunautely.

vodalian
04-04-2009, 12:32 AM
How is increasing military spending a threat to the NWO?
How is mandatory service a threat to the NWO?
How is his selection of staff in any way a threat to the NWO?
How is his voting to reauthorize the patriot act a threat to the NWO?
How is his support for the FISA legislation a threat to the NWO?
etc etc

TER
04-04-2009, 01:02 AM
The Middle East / Order of Assassins faction...
This group has historically cooperated with the New World Order and the Illuminati to varying degrees, and for a time had access to Looking Glass technology, allowing them a window into the future.

Uh. Yeah. Did I just read that the Muslims have a crystal ball?

Kurt
04-05-2009, 11:01 PM
This group was very likely responsible for the recent airline disaster I wrote about, where two women met with Obama about re-opening 9/11 hearings, and their plane went down in flames a week later. No one in the anti-Obama conspiracy crowd has mentioned my article or realized this connection themselves, though it is very obvious that this was no ordinary plane crash.


On the contrary, Infowars.com reported about this and hinted at this connection.

9/11 Activist Who Sued Government Killed In Buffalo Plane Crash
http://www.infowars.com/911-activist-who-sued-government-killed-in-buffalo-plane-crash/




ASK THE QUESTIONS

Jones invites the viewers of his films to question his data and not accept it blindly, and I fully accept that invitation. When he says towards the end of "The Obama Deception" that Obama is "more of the same" and was ‘put in’ as a ‘puppet’ who will "serve and protect the international bankers," I must disagree.

I disagree not by mere opinion, but by the incredible thrust of news stories emerging every day, showing us how the old systems are being torn apart in real time. Once I have put all this data together in a short, summarized form it will be very impressive. At that point my critics will be relying more upon their beliefs than upon the actual data.


The old systems are being torn apart because of the engineered economic implosion perpetrated by the global bankers. Bush and Obama pushed for the bailouts and continued borrowing which put the nation in further deep debt. This is undeniably "more of the same". So what is Wilcock's point? :confused: I'll be waiting for his summary with all his data put together.

politicsNproverbs
04-06-2009, 12:08 AM
Ha! That Griffin quote about the poker game was a hoot.

And with this next quote I agree 1,000% :


As much as there is that points to these various factions though, and I do believe they compete, I still think there is a single sharp point on the top of the pyramid.

And I would guess we would also agree as to who we think it is.

As for Wilcox, that was indeed interesting on the various "factions," but I doubt they are as "lame" as he is making them sound. They may be desperate about the "delays," yes -- anyone who walks in such darkness has to be -- but their global Atlantis occultic dream will come to pass eventually (short-lived as it will be).

On the contrary, I've heard -- maybe it was Svali? -- that these groups are VERY PATIENT about their goals, they've been slowing working them out for hundreds of years, and will not stop until they reach them.

As for Obama and them not wanting him to be prez, I don't buy that. Remember the Bilderberg meeting last year in VA, and how Obama and Hillary "disappeared" at the same time to the same neck of the woods? And then that very Monday, after the weekend of the Bilderberg mtg., the big announcement was made in the news that Hillary was acquiescing to Obama. Coincidence? I don't think so!

Wilcox sounds like an apologetic for Obama. So what's his true motive in that?

newbitech
04-06-2009, 07:04 PM
I have read most of DW's stuff. I like him and he has some great insights channeled from RA. Lots of people won't dig his stuff because its "out there".

Check out a guy called Michael Tsarion. He does a much better job explaining ET's and has much much more background evidence. These factions are real, and there is much evidence that most of our (read human's) problems probably have something to do with outside intellegence fiddling with our DNA at early stages of evolution.

Catatonic
04-07-2009, 02:21 PM
I have trouble taking anyone that references Benjamin Fulford as a legit source seriously.

I'm still waiting for his ninja army to take care of our NWO problem.

mczerone
04-07-2009, 06:39 PM
Really?

This is junk, a misdirection.

It does not matter if there is one group that has power that wants to see a one world government that they can control or if there are 30 such groups. It doesn't matter if any of these groups are 'controlling' Obama akin to puppetry, only his actions matter - not his motivations. It doesn't matter if a group calls themselves a collection of researchers or a 'secret society', it only matters that they are trying to push the one world government. Secret societies are not evil; but even open societies that try to hijack power over the whole globe are.


And lastly, any 'secret technologies' would have either been lost to time or leaked to the internet by now. Nobody, anywhere, has a 'torsion power' generator or a 'looking glass' to the future. Even if there have been ET contacts (IMO, there haven't), there hasn't been any grand gift of technology, keeping that secret would be too much work and counter productive. Further, we wouldn't have half the problems that we do now, even if it wasn't specifically known (to the general public) how there was complete energy independence or how the Arabs were able to predict earthquakes.

You don't need to wear a tin-foil hat to believe in Liberty, there are enough objective facts and empirical data to make our points without resorting to claims of alien coverups, impossible technology, or malevolent secret societies. If you need to reference those typically derided points in an argument, you are not going to convince anyone of your other points.

andrewh817
05-31-2009, 03:49 AM
Let his actions speak for themselves....... if you were president would you appoint members of organizations whose aspirations you disagreed with? But that's assuming he was given a choice in who to pick........ suppose these organizations donated to his campaign in exchange for inclusion in high-ranking positions in his cabinet.

anaconda
05-31-2009, 04:04 AM
So, is Obama going to go "rogue?"

Jodo
05-31-2009, 02:38 PM
Interesting article, but it's difficult to imagine that Obama is trying to undo the damage done by the NWO and Illuminati factions based on the actions he's taken so far. It certainly doesn't explain the reasoning for this: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sen.-rockefeller-endorses-obama-2008-02-29.html

It is true that Obama is ostensibly more willing to negotiate with other countries/factions but I don't yet see the influence the author refers to.

By the way, how do we tap the benign Asian secret societies to support a U.S. candidate for liberty like Ron Paul??

tonesforjonesbones
05-31-2009, 02:54 PM
I stopped reading when I got to "Obama doens't have enough dirty laundry..." Larry Sinclair? Where's the Birth Certificate? tones

Imperial
05-31-2009, 09:03 PM
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The Middle East / Order of Assassins faction...
This group has historically cooperated with the New World Order and the Illuminati to varying degrees, and for a time had access to Looking Glass technology, allowing them a window into the future.

Uh. Yeah. Did I just read that the Muslims have a crystal ball?

Epic win. I wanna join the order of assassins. Does this have connections to that sufi group from Mongol times that had the impregnable fortresses in the middle of nowhere for no reason? Arab assassins + crystal balls for the win!

Pete
06-02-2009, 10:03 AM
Really?

This is junk, a misdirection.

It does not matter if there is one group that has power that wants to see a one world government that they can control or if there are 30 such groups. It doesn't matter if any of these groups are 'controlling' Obama akin to puppetry, only his actions matter - not his motivations. It doesn't matter if a group calls themselves a collection of researchers or a 'secret society', it only matters that they are trying to push the one world government. Secret societies are not evil; but even open societies that try to hijack power over the whole globe are.


And lastly, any 'secret technologies' would have either been lost to time or leaked to the internet by now. Nobody, anywhere, has a 'torsion power' generator or a 'looking glass' to the future. Even if there have been ET contacts (IMO, there haven't), there hasn't been any grand gift of technology, keeping that secret would be too much work and counter productive. Further, we wouldn't have half the problems that we do now, even if it wasn't specifically known (to the general public) how there was complete energy independence or how the Arabs were able to predict earthquakes.

You don't need to wear a tin-foil hat to believe in Liberty, there are enough objective facts and empirical data to make our points without resorting to claims of alien coverups, impossible technology, or malevolent secret societies. If you need to reference those typically derided points in an argument, you are not going to convince anyone of your other points.

This.

I admit that I find the tinfoil stuff very absorbing. I think there's a lot of truth in it, mixed in with the UFO and reptilian chaff. For example, here's a charge that JBS and CFR share common origins: http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html. I found this very interesting because, among other things, it may help explain why Reagan flipped like he did and why right wingers, with whom Ron Paul has so much in common, don't hardly give him the time of day. At the end of the day, though, I think sites like this are misdirecting. The misdirection may be innocent, i.e., in the pursuit of profits, or it may be disinformation.

Whatever is at the root of it, misdirection hurts our cause. I think it increases paranoia and fear, makes our opposition look more well-organized and powerful than they actually are, and associates us with the fringe, hurting our credibility. When I'm talking to my neighbors, the last things I'm going to bring up are Freemasonry or chemtrails, as this information is totally useless, even if it may true to some extent.

I think Ron Paul is the consummate anti-collectivist, steering his way around CNN, FOX news, AJ, JBS, etc., without being coopted by them. He just sticks to the Constitution (while always allowing that it can be changed) and to classical economics, which even the Keynesians must nod to. Peter Schiff is much the same way. These are the examples we should follow, appealing to wisdom and common sense. In fact, as a result of this discussion, I am going to lay off even ridiculing the White House, and just stick to arguing ideas in a noninflammatory way.

amonasro
06-02-2009, 10:20 AM
The Illuminati had believed in Hillary’s victory strongly enough to write in a woman president to this year’s episodes of "24." They also put in a very strong death threat against Obama by having an African-American president who was then assassinated on the show, prior to the female president taking office. Is it any wonder Obama didn’t offer Hillary the vice-presidential slot, but gave her a position to quell the opposition?

This group does have a certain amount of ET-derived technologies and treaties with negative ETs such as the Annunaki, but have far less use and development of these technologies than the rival New World Order faction.

The Twin Towers could not have been brought down with so little remaining debris, at free-fall speed, without the advanced technologies this group has at work — including the conventional demolition tools as well as mini-nkes and top-secret disintegration beam capabilities to destroy the support columns and vaporize all the concrete into dust, which in turn blanketed the entire city and was unfortunately radio-active.

Does the author know who wrote those episodes of 24 and their motives for including a black/woman president, or is he just making an educated guess based on information he believes to be true? 24 has multiple writers. Are they all in on it?

ET-derived technologies? Top-secret disintegration beam capabilities? Seriously? Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?

How can the author prove any of these statements beyond a reasonable doubt? Faulty logic: This is where the conspiracies fall apart for me, and can be viewed as nothing more than entertainment.