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idiom

04-01-2009, 07:01 PM

This I hope:

The rules are set in stone, and so the eagerly watching British media sputtered when the First Lady of the United States, Michelle Obama, briefly put her hand on the back of Queen Elizabeth II as the two chatted at a reception. Etiquette is quite stern about this ("Whatever you do, don't touch the Queen!"). In 2007 John Howard, then Prime Minister of Australia, got plenty of criticism for apparently putting his arm around the Queen to direct her through a crowd. He denied actually touching her, but photographs suggest that he came quite close. (Another former Australian Prime Minister did put his hand on the Queen in a similar circumstance and was later branded "the Lizard of Oz.")

Americans are soooo Uncouth.

nate895

04-01-2009, 07:01 PM

What of the 1000 items that made me mad on that page should I be really mad about?

+1

Kludge

04-01-2009, 07:09 PM

**THEY aren't working

Jordan

04-01-2009, 07:10 PM

Set your CNN.com Edition CNN U.S. CNN International ..

ItsTime

04-01-2009, 07:13 PM

I bet the protesters all go to starbucks after for some dark roast.

Deborah K

04-01-2009, 07:24 PM

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Joe3113

04-01-2009, 07:38 PM

Sarkozy and Gordon Brown need to STFU.

I'm sick of hearing "capitalism needs to be reformed".

Deborah K

04-01-2009, 07:43 PM

Sarkozy and Gordon Brown need to STFU.

I'm sick of hearing "capitalism needs to be reformed".

Reformed how, dipshits! It's greed that has corrupted capitalism. Greedy politicians making greedy deals with greedy lobbyists to make laws that favor greedy corporations.

idiom

04-01-2009, 07:59 PM

Well, getting capitalism out of Government with some insider trading prohibitions would be some good reform.

Ends of subsidies would be some good reform.

Etc.

Deborah K

04-01-2009, 08:04 PM

Well, getting capitalism out of Government with some insider trading prohibitions would be some good reform.

Ends of subsidies would be some good reform.

Etc.

How is government insider trading capitalism? How are government subsidies capitalism? While those things should be done away with, I don't see how they relate to capitalism.

LibertyEagle

04-01-2009, 08:08 PM

Reformed how, dipshits! It's greed that has corrupted capitalism. Greedy politicians making greedy deals with greedy lobbyists to make laws that favor greedy corporations.

I don't think it's greed so much as it is government corruption. It's the fact that government is accepting payoffs from lobbyists and passing legislation to fill their own pockets, that is the problem. At least in my opinion.

LibertyEagle

04-01-2009, 08:09 PM

Well, getting capitalism out of Government with some insider trading prohibitions would be some good reform.

Ends of subsidies would be some good reform.

Etc.

That isn't capitalism. That is government corruption!

Deborah K

04-01-2009, 08:10 PM

I don't think it's greed so much as it is government corruption. It's the fact that government is accepting payoffs from lobbyists and passing legislation to fill their own pockets, that is the problem. At least in my opinion.

To my way of thinking - that's greed.

runningdiz

04-01-2009, 08:13 PM

Reformed how, dipshits! It's greed that has corrupted capitalism. Greedy politicians making greedy deals with greedy lobbyists to make laws that favor greedy corporations.

Greed is a fact of life and nothing can be done about it. Thomas Woods put it nice in Meltdown: "Blaming greed for the economic crisis (or the corruption of capitalism) is like blaming plane crashes on gravity." Gravity is a fact of nature. Greed is natural human nature it can never be eradicated.

LibertyEagle

04-01-2009, 08:14 PM

To my way of thinking - that's greed.

Ok. When I usually hear people talk about greed, it is the precursor to them attacking capitalism.

Originally Posted by Deborah K
Reformed how, dipshits! It's greed that has corrupted capitalism. Greedy politicians making greedy deals with greedy lobbyists to make laws that favor greedy corporations.

See, I don't even see capitalism itself as being corrupted. We haven't even had capitalism here for a very long time, because of government interference.

Mini-Me

04-01-2009, 08:24 PM

This I hope:

Americans are soooo Uncouth.

The "uncouth" Americans have it right in this case. The Founders and Framers didn't despise titles of honor and nobility arbitrarily; they despised those titles because such titles are anathema to recognizing our common human dignity. I have no love for Michelle Obama, but most rules of etiquette are superficial and shallow at best...and completely unworthy of respect or acknowledgment, especially when they only apply to one person who is granted "special" status. Screw that. The queen of England deserves no better or more dignified treatment than any other man, woman, or child on Earth. Frankly, few things make me happier than seeing someone with a superiority complex treated as nothing more or less than an ordinary human being...which they are. Does the queen think she's special and/or above other people? Do Britons consider the queen special? Disabuse them of such a ridiculous notion.

What makes me upset is that, as Conza wrote in this post (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2053511&postcount=9), these "protesters" are complete idiots who are playing into the hands of their masters. There's a reason only one protest is allowed in a place at a time in London, and there's a reason THIS protest was the one allowed.

Deborah K

04-01-2009, 08:29 PM

Greed is a fact of life and nothing can be done about it. Thomas Woods put it nice in Meltdown: "Blaming greed for the economic crisis (or the corruption of capitalism) is like blaming plane crashes on gravity." Gravity is a fact of nature. Greed is natural human nature it can never be eradicated.

I agree, I don't think blaming greed for the economic crisis is an accurate criticism. But greed IS giving capitalism a bad name even though greed is as you suggest, everywhere. The socialists are using greed to claim that capitalism doesn't work. If we truly had free market capitalism, I don't think we'd be in this mess. What we have, and what our critics are complaining about is state-capitalism. Only they don't realize it.

Deborah K

04-01-2009, 08:31 PM

Ok. When I usually hear people talk about greed, it is the precursor to them attacking capitalism.

See, I don't even see capitalism itself as being corrupted. We haven't even had capitalism here for a very long time, because of government interference.

True, as I just mentioned, we have state- capitalism which is being further corrupted by greedy politicians and the like. Sorry, I don't think of greed as a virtue.

RSLudlum

04-01-2009, 08:34 PM

I don't know about you but "Enlightened Self-Interest" helps me get out of bed everyday. ;)

silverhawks

04-01-2009, 08:41 PM

Do Britons consider the queen special? Disabuse them of such a ridiculous notion.

YES, the British people do think of the Queen as special, in the same way that Americans consider the Constitution as special. As much maligned and sidelined as the Constitution has become in America, the monarchy has in Britain. Americans have the Constitution to rally behind, the British have the monarchy - both are symbols of patriotism and sovereignty, and not "ridiculous notions" for anyone to "disabuse" them of.

idiom

04-01-2009, 08:46 PM

The capitalism refered to in the poster is the 'Capitalism' we have now.

silverhawks

04-01-2009, 08:53 PM

The capitalism refered to in the poster is the 'Capitalism' we have now.

Yes and no. These people ARE opposed to ALL capitalism, but they are using the failures of the pseudo-capitalist, non-free market capitalism that serves the banks, corporations and bureaucrats. They are tarring all of capitalism with the same broad brush.

RSLudlum

04-01-2009, 09:00 PM

Yes and no. These people ARE opposed to ALL capitalism, but they are using the failures of the pseudo-capitalist, non-free market capitalism that serves the banks, corporations and bureaucrats. They are tarring all of capitalism with the same broad brush.

While at the same time, serving their own self-interest to it's very detriment. Oh how confused are the greedy socialists. The world has indeed gone mad!

Theocrat

04-01-2009, 09:03 PM

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Big Brother has always been at war with Eastasia. ;)

Mini-Me

04-01-2009, 09:03 PM

YES, the British people do think of the Queen as special, in the same way that Americans consider the Constitution as special. As much maligned and sidelined as the Constitution has become in America, the monarchy has in Britain. Americans have the Constitution to rally behind, the British have the monarchy - both are symbols of patriotism and sovereignty, and not "ridiculous notions" for anyone to "disabuse" them of.

Both may be symbols of sovereignty and patriotism, but the comparison ends there. Whereas the Constitution is a symbol of limited government and Enlightenment ideals (ideals which affirmed the equal dignity inherent in every person), the British monarchy is a relic of an age-old form of tyranny, and it also symbolizes the ridiculous notion that some people are more dignified than others based on nothing more than bloodline. While I respect the fact that many British have admiration for ideas other than globalist socialism and fascism, titles of honor and nobility are still nothing short of disgusting to me.

Jace

04-01-2009, 09:06 PM

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idiom

04-01-2009, 09:17 PM

Both may be symbols of sovereignty and patriotism, but the comparison ends there. Whereas the Constitution is a symbol of limited government and Enlightenment ideals (ideals which affirmed the equal dignity inherent in every person), the British monarchy is a relic of an age-old form of tyranny, and it also symbolizes the ridiculous notion that some people are more dignified than others based on nothing more than bloodline. While I respect the fact that many British have admiration for ideas other than globalist socialism and fascism, titles of honor and nobility are still nothing short of disgusting to me.

Never really cotton'd on to the Magna Carta have you.

Anti Federalist

04-01-2009, 09:30 PM

The "uncouth" Americans have it right in this case. The Founders and Framers didn't despise titles of honor and nobility arbitrarily; they despised those titles because such titles are anathema to recognizing our common human dignity. I have no love for Michelle Obama, but most rules of etiquette are superficial and shallow at best...and completely unworthy of respect or acknowledgment, especially when they only apply to one person who is granted "special" status. Screw that. The queen of England deserves no better or more dignified treatment than any other man, woman, or child on Earth. Frankly, few things make me happier than seeing someone with a superiority complex treated as nothing more or less than an ordinary human being...which they are. Does the queen think she's special and/or above other people? Do Britons consider the queen special? Disabuse them of such a ridiculous notion.

What makes me upset is that, as Conza wrote in this post (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2053511&postcount=9), these "protesters" are complete idiots who are playing into the hands of their masters. There's a reason only one protest is allowed in a place at a time in London, and there's a reason THIS protest was the one allowed.

Both of these.

+1776

LibertyEagle

04-01-2009, 09:32 PM

True, as I just mentioned, we have state- capitalism which is being further corrupted by greedy politicians and the like. Sorry, I don't think of greed as a virtue.

Isn't that another name for corporatism?

Mini-Me

04-01-2009, 09:33 PM

Never really cotton'd on to the Magna Carta have you.

Why does respect for the Magna Carta necessitate respect for monarchy or titles of honor and nobility in general?

bossman068410

04-01-2009, 09:34 PM

This is all propaganda

How much you want to bet the Unions ect. paid for these demonstrators and their propaganda. Just like Acorn was paid by the Union to picket the AIG employee's homes.

Anti Federalist

04-01-2009, 09:38 PM

True, as I just mentioned, we have state- capitalism which is being further corrupted by greedy politicians and the like. Sorry, I don't think of greed as a virtue.

This isn't about money.

It's about power, and the will to use it.

Last time I looked, Bernie Madoff or Bill Gates couldn't launch a carrier battle group, send off three divisions and blow a million plus people to kingdom come.

Nor could they send a SWAT team to your house and blow you away.

Money, and the unhealthy lust for it (greed), is incidental to the problems we face.

sdczen

04-01-2009, 09:39 PM

Deborah K

04-02-2009, 07:17 AM

This isn't about money.

It's about power, and the will to use it.

Last time I looked, Bernie Madoff or Bill Gates couldn't launch a carrier battle group, send off three divisions and blow a million plus people to kingdom come.

Nor could they send a SWAT team to your house and blow you away.

Money, and the unhealthy lust for it (greed), is incidental to the problems we face.

I disagree. Money FUNDS the problems we face. No money - no power.

Deborah K

04-02-2009, 07:23 AM

Oh yes, the wild "Anarchists" are fighting to abolish the government and the laws they live under. :rolleyes:

This is the battle that we'll all be waging from now on. The democratic socialists & fascists have/are gaining a full head of steam. By the time Obama is through with his first term and this financial disaster plays out. What we'll have in 4 years will be unrecognizable in todays standards.

The neocons are fascist socialists and the progressives are socialist fascists. The problem is we are outnumbered greatly and I don't see it ending well.

No, we are not outnumbered. The problem is, too many of us are still in a deep slumber, thanks in part to a left-leaning-socialistic media.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKh9Ko3mw4&feature=related

Deborah K

04-02-2009, 07:28 AM

Isn't that another name for corporatism?

Yep. Or fascism. Take your pick. They all mean the same thing.... to my pea brain anyway.

GunnyFreedom

04-02-2009, 07:47 AM

Oh yes, the wild "Anarchists" are fighting to abolish the government and the laws they live under. :rolleyes:

This is the battle that we'll all be waging from now on. The democratic socialists & fascists have/are gaining a full head of steam. By the time Obama is through with his first term and this financial disaster plays out. What we'll have in 4 years will be unrecognizable in todays standards.

The neocons are fascist socialists and the progressives are socialist fascists. The problem is we are outnumbered greatly and I don't see it ending well.

Lols, we crazy-outnumber them; we just have to all get involved with the stinky wheels of power. If the whole Ron Paul Revolution had signed on to the local Party Process from day 1, we'd own the whole GOP by now, lock stock, and kabootle.

As it is, we hold shocking territory for a new faction only 18 months in...

moostraks

04-02-2009, 07:51 AM

Heard the President in a snippet at the G20 this morning the quote was (roughly translated) the perception of the stance of America on the current crisis was inaccurate. In reality they were all in agreement with very little differences...Take it fwiw, but I found it an interesting quote to broadcast considering we know the stance of the rest of the leaders. Will see if I can find the quote in print, but will be surprised if I do...

2young2vote

04-02-2009, 08:57 AM

It's scary isn't it? I guess the only thing that we can do in the short term is hope that Obama isn't as radical as we all think (unfortunately, i don't think we have been incorrect).

Anti Federalist

04-02-2009, 10:04 AM

I disagree. Money FUNDS the problems we face. No money - no power.

Some of the most tyrannical states on earth right now, are also the poorest.

Cuba, North Korea, Sudan, just to name a couple.

Tyranny and money are detached, the money is incidental.

Deborah K

04-02-2009, 10:09 AM

Some of the most tyrannical states on earth right now, are also the poorest.

Cuba, North Korea, Sudan, just to name a couple.

Tyranny and money are detached, the money is incidental.

Poorest compared maybe to our so-called wealth, but not compared to the people they control. If North Korea's gov't is so poor, then how is it they are launching missiles? Every gov't has its rich, corrupt elitists. Their people may be poor, but not their leaders. Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Anti Federalist

04-02-2009, 10:20 AM

Poorest compared maybe to our so-called wealth, but not compared to the people they control. If North Korea's gov't is so poor, then how is it they are launching missiles? Every gov't has its rich, corrupt elitists. Their people may be poor, but not their leaders. Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Allow me one last comment.

Why is Kim Jong Il buying missiles instead of yachts, jets and hookers?

Because it is about power, not wealth, or the trappings of wealth, which are percieved in the public eye as "greed".;)

Deborah K

04-02-2009, 04:39 PM

Allow me one last comment.

Why is Kim Jong Il buying missiles instead of yachts, jets and hookers?

Because it is about power, not wealth, or the trappings of wealth, which are percieved in the public eye as "greed".;)

Or....maybe because he already has those things?? http://i39.tinypic.com/2k3es9.jpg :D

I get what you're saying. My point is that money buys power. I honestly don't think you can have power without money.

tremendoustie

04-02-2009, 04:48 PM

To my way of thinking - that's greed.

Imbezzlement is a "monetary transaction" but that doesn't mean all monetary transactions are illegal or damaging.

Greed always exists. It's not a problem when it describes the ambition of an honest businessman. It's a problem when it describes the theft and corruption of power by corpratist government.

LibForestPaul

04-02-2009, 05:16 PM

The queen of England .

What backassed country still have princes and queens? Get with the times. Why not get a burka while you are at it?

Deborah K

04-03-2009, 02:22 PM

Imbezzlement is a "monetary transaction" but that doesn't mean all monetary transactions are illegal or damaging.

Greed always exists. It's not a problem when it describes the ambition of an honest businessman. It's a problem when it describes the theft and corruption of power by corpratist government.

I don't view greed as a virtue. Never have, never will.