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tonesforjonesbones
04-01-2009, 10:38 AM
TONES says everybody just chip in and GET A MAID!


Author:renegade_divisionMar

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My Capitalist Room mate A caller in a recent Free Talk Live[1] show claimed that a roommate system which most people follow is a very good example of a Socialist society(and egalitarianism) in work. Although there are huge scalability problems with this example, I would not go into a critique of this system and instead suggest an alternate system, a more Capitalist roommate system. Feel free to absorb, use improve upon it. You won’t find it on any other site.

Problem:

The existing “Socialist” (maybe egalitarian would be a better term) roommate system is insufficient to meet the demand of modern individualist people. There are numerous issues among roommates on whom should be doing the job, people don’t perform well, everybody complains about the other one not doing their duties properly. The whole house/room suffers from the “tragedy of the commons” where because a property is deemed to be owned by everyone, gets overused and undercared compared it how it would have been if it had one single owner.

More problems come in when there are tasks which nobody wants to do and they don’t need to that frequently like cleaning toilets, or taking trash out.

Although compared to that a marital household, or an atomic family household is quite successful, but the main reason is that usually there is only one person who earns and everybody knows only he has to earn. The bread-earner of the family is the only person who is expected to earn. He does not get offended or dissents if the other member does not do his part, moreover the bread earner of a family is also the leader of the family, he has the authority. These things cannot be applied to a voluntary association of two individuals who just wanna live together.

Solution:

The Capitalist room sharing system would start out with equal share of the rent among all the roommates. So if the rent of the room is $1000 and there are 4 room mates then they start out by owing $250. Now take all the tasks which are shared among the roommates, like cleaning the toilets, taking the trash out, even cooking, buying groceries etc etc, and hold auctions of those tasks. That is, the roommates bid on these tasks on whom will be doing for how much money.

For example lets take the task of keeping the toilets clean. Nobody wants to do this task. The bidding will start from say $50. Now does anybody want to do this job for $50 a month? If yes then they will bid for that price. Now if roommate A is willing to do that job for $50 a month and nobody else is willing then roommate A wins the bid. Now lets say if roommate B thinks that he might be willing to clean the toilets for less than $50, say $40 then he can bid that amount. If now A thinks that he might be willing to do that same job for $30 per month and that he needs it more than B, then he might bid that amount and might end up being the winner. That means now every month roommate A will get $30(essentially he will pay $30 less from his monthly share), and other roommates will pay a total of $30 to A(that means B, C and D will pay $260 per month).

If say no roommate is willing to do a task for $50 a month, then the bidding is automatically increased to $55, $60 and so on, until some room mate is incentivized enough to do that job.

Similarly this approach will be adopted with any task which requires allocation of labor to it. For example vacuuming the whole house can be considered as a task. Eventually it could happen that the room mates end up paying the same amount of money as they were to in a complete egalitarian distribution, but the difference would be that in this case they all would be doing the task they like to do the most.

This system gives a more relaxed classy room mate an opportunity to do less work by simply paying more rent, and a room mate with more financial needs an opportunity to reduce his expenses.

This solution is actually very open-ended, you can make it into anything as long as there is no compulsion of “everybody must pay equal rent and everybody must do equal job”. For example you can have a weekly or per-task auction. You can have task sharing for example a friend of yours find that your room mates are paying too much to have the snow cleared off the drive-way so he might agree to do that job for less.

The jobs which can be subjectively judged by the quality or nature, like cooking can have a choice of the room mates. For example if one guy is a really good cook, and he can cook most variety of stuff then the room mates might vote for him to do most of the cooking over a cheaper less dexterous cook room mate.

If you find a problem or an issue with the above suggestion do write down in the comments section. If have a better more Capitalist solution then again feel free to write down we will cover it in an update and credit it to you.


http://www.reasonforliberty.com/reason/capitalist-roommate-system.html

brandon
04-01-2009, 10:50 AM
Solution: Don't ever have a roomate.

I have been in four separate first fights with ex roomates. One hit me in the head with a beer bottle and then tried to stab the other roomate.

Roomates don't work out...ever.

dannno
04-01-2009, 11:04 AM
Solution: Don't ever have a roomate.

I have been in four separate first fights with ex roomates. One hit me in the head with a beer bottle and then tried to stab the other roomate.

Roomates don't work out...ever.

That's not true. Try moving in with some friends. It doesn't always work out great, but I live in an area that is so damn expensive that the whole roommate thing is pretty much required.

Mesogen
04-01-2009, 02:33 PM
Solution: don't do any chores and hire a maid service to come do it for you. That's the true capitalist way. :)

Howard_Roark
04-01-2009, 03:46 PM
I lived in manhattan and had 2 roomates, coolest people ever but by the end of it I hated them and they hated me. It wasn't over chores but there was only 1 bathroom and it was in my room, they would wake me up late at night and early in the morning using it and this pissed me off, and it pissed them off that I would lock it sometimes. Roomates pretty much suck and should be avoided. I think its best to just live in a cheap apartment you can afford by yourself. Your system is interesting but too complicated for lazy ass roomates who barely even care enough to pay bills.

dannno
04-01-2009, 03:49 PM
I lived in manhattan and had 2 roomates, coolest people ever but by the end of it I hated them and they hated me. It wasn't over chores but there was only 1 bathroom and it was in my room, they would wake me up late at night and early in the morning using it and this pissed me off, and it pissed them off that I would lock it sometimes. Roomates pretty much suck and should be avoided. I think its best to just live in a cheap apartment you can afford by yourself. Your system is interesting but too complicated for lazy ass roomates who barely even care enough to pay bills.

Wow, that sounds like a terrible situation. I've had a lot of roommates and lived in towns where everybody has roommates and I've never heard of that kind of situation.

In fact I have roommates right now, and I have my own bathroom. I live in a great place that I would never be able to live in if I got a place "on my own".

danberkeley
04-01-2009, 04:25 PM
"sharing chores" never works.

tangent4ronpaul
04-01-2009, 04:43 PM
I've had pretty good experiences with roommates - but have developed certain rules. Room with professionals, government employees, or grad students. University professors are OK too. Under NO circumstances room with College freshmen or party animals or those on the low end of the food chain pay grade wise.. Also, get to know them before moving in and make sure you are compatible on things like music, TV, level of messiness and interests.

-t

dannno
04-01-2009, 04:46 PM
Under NO circumstances room with College freshmen or party animals

Unless you are a college student and/or party animal ;)

talkingpointes
04-01-2009, 09:39 PM
Living with roommates is awesome most of the time. Roommates that are friends are the best, dependability, and predictability are good characteristics.

It's best to just lay down the law off the bat.
Expect to not always agree, find a common ground.

I enjoy conversing and roommates can be a good way to evolve ideas.

tonesforjonesbones
04-01-2009, 09:42 PM
I'm down with the maid idea...i think women are the first to think of that idea haha..tones

Conza88
04-01-2009, 10:06 PM
This is basically a re-application of How I found Freedom in an Unfree World by Harry Browne

Except it's when two people are getting divorced. Instead of going to court and all that shit.

All the stuff gets auctioned off. Whoever wants something more, bids more etc.

tangent4ronpaul
04-02-2009, 05:15 AM
While we are on the topic, and this will not effect 99.99% of you - NEVER move in with a career CIA case officer/operations officer. Been there, done that. It's bad news. These ppl don't separate work life and family life and drag the operations mentality home if they have been in it a while.

I lived with 2 of them, the one about to be be put out to pasture was a problem. The other, "sheep dipped" at State and attending the farm - also totally denying it, was not and was rarely there. Almost fucked the latter's fiance - kind of bummed I did not - she was kinda hot. And she was def interested!

I called and caught the former on a lot of stuff. Anti-tamper switches on luggage, trying to installing a spike mike in my ceiling, wiretapping my phone, a fake break in and cop...

Yes - these kind of games. They bring their work home.

Very bummed I took the wrong move in the fake cop scenario... almost got recruited as a "formal" employee... :( Did get a A+ on the questions on how to take out trains, etc that led up to this...

Divorces are endemic in the agency for obvious reasons...

-t

nayjevin
04-02-2009, 05:54 AM
Any form of 'government' will work ok with a small enough group - if there is agreement on the system.

1 person makes his own rules
2 people share a set of rules -- but don't agree 100%
3 people share a set of rules -- there is even less agreement (and therefore more injustice)

as the number of individuals grows, the set of rules over them fits each individual less.

this is why our republic was set up that the precinct be the most powerful, and the federal umbrella the least powerful.

as to roommates - it is most important that there is agreement on how the rules are made and repealed.

I like the chores auction idea -- that would feel pretty nerdy though lol