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jrich4rpaul
04-01-2009, 08:54 AM
http://theglennbeck912project.com/americas-wish-list/glenns-wishlist

Check out some of these comments. Only let people vote if they serve in the military? Only let people vote who own a lot of assets? Make people pay extra taxes to vote? What is this?

silverhawks
04-01-2009, 09:35 AM
A neo-con's wet dream of "liberty".

ClayTrainor
04-01-2009, 09:37 AM
you should have to pay $500 to vote... therefore the people who don't really give a shit, won't bother.

Kraig
04-01-2009, 09:56 AM
you should have to pay $500 to vote... therefore the people who don't really give a shit, won't bother.

That is just as dumb as only letting the military vote, it would just be more tyranny from the rich.

What shouldn't be allowed is for anyone to vote away my or anyone's freedom.

MRoCkEd
04-01-2009, 10:00 AM
Only military vote? Well, maybe Ron Paul would have done better.

torchbearer
04-01-2009, 10:06 AM
Those with vested interest should vote.
If you don't pay taxes, you don't vote.
Welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote themselves money.

Kraig
04-01-2009, 10:12 AM
Those with vested interest should vote.
If you don't pay taxes, you don't vote.
Welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote themselves money.

If that was the case, those who are "allowed to vote" should not be allowed to use force to tax those who do not pay taxes, would you agree?

qh4dotcom
04-01-2009, 10:13 AM
That is just as dumb as only letting the military vote, it would just be more tyranny from the rich.

What shouldn't be allowed is for anyone to vote away my or anyone's freedom.

I had to pay $400+ in order to be able to vote...that is how much it cost me to become a naturalized US citizen.

If foreigners need to pay in order to vote, then what's wrong with the same requirements for natural born Americans? Hell make them pass the civics test and an interview as well.

That would weed out all the clueless sheeple who vote for the wrong reasons.

Kraig
04-01-2009, 10:16 AM
I had to pay $400+ in order to be able to vote...that is how much it cost me to become a naturalized US citizen.

If foreigners need to pay in order to vote, then what's wrong with the same requirements for natural born Americans? Hell make them pass the civics test and an interview as well.

That would weed out all the clueless sheeple who vote for the wrong reasons.

Well because if it is wrong to apply to you, it is wrong to take the same thing and apply it to everyone. All that does is create a nice accelerating downward spiral. I don't think the clueless sheeple are the main problem, we don't even know how the votes are counted, and then look at who is educating the clueless sheeple? Who is feeding them the news? The government is the real problem.

Truth Warrior
04-01-2009, 10:21 AM
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." -- Emma Goldman



"Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong."

MRoCkEd
04-01-2009, 10:21 AM
Yeah, how about a constitution quiz to determine eligibility :p

Truth Warrior
04-01-2009, 10:27 AM
Yeah, how about a constitution quiz to determine eligibility :p Nope, the SCOTUS already struck that down. All votes "count" :rolleyes: the same. :p

silverhawks
04-01-2009, 10:29 AM
On the issue of paying to vote.

So you'd want to pay the government in order to vote for the government?

And you'd want to exclude the poor and the homeless as well? Because there seems to be a lot of those in the USA at the moment...

ramallamamama
04-01-2009, 10:30 AM
You think our votes count? LOL

Madcat455
04-01-2009, 10:33 AM
Looks like somebody has taken the movie "starship troopers" to heart.

"only Citizens can vote"
"Service Guarantees Citizenship"...

MRoCkEd
04-01-2009, 10:34 AM
Fine.. everyone can vote. But the ballot looks like this:

( ) Ron Paul
( ) Write in:_______

qh4dotcom
04-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Well because if it is wrong to apply to you, it is wrong to take the same thing and apply it to everyone. All that does is create a nice accelerating downward spiral. I don't think the clueless sheeple are the main problem, we don't even know how the votes are counted, and then look at who is educating the clueless sheeple? Who is feeding them the news? The government is the real problem.

Both are at fault but you should blame the sheeple more than the government

Here's why

http://www.shoutfile.com/watch/iUkb3MBs/George-Carlin---Voting.html

Your thoughts?

heavenlyboy34
04-01-2009, 10:37 AM
http://theglennbeck912project.com/americas-wish-list/glenns-wishlist

Check out some of these comments. Only let people vote if they serve in the military? Only let people vote who own a lot of assets? Make people pay extra taxes to vote? What is this?

Just another stop on the Road To Serfdom. :p:mad::(

qh4dotcom
04-01-2009, 10:40 AM
On the issue of paying to vote.

So you'd want to pay the government in order to vote for the government?

And you'd want to exclude the poor and the homeless as well? Because there seems to be a lot of those in the USA at the moment...

Sure, why not? If the government made people pay, then voters would want to throw out the crooked politicians who favored making people pay.

As far as the homeless and poor are concerned they should be granted an exemption or pay less....and made to take the civics test.

Krugerrand
04-01-2009, 10:51 AM
On the issue of paying to vote.

So you'd want to pay the government in order to vote for the government?

And you'd want to exclude the poor and the homeless as well? Because there seems to be a lot of those in the USA at the moment...

I'm sketchy on this ... but I believe Irwin Schiff advocated the poll tax. If you don't care enough to pay the tax ... you don't get to vote.

We started off only allowing land-owners to vote. You had to own a stake in the country. This has merit. Consider (out of town) college students voting in local elections. Sorry ... but a transient population should not be affecting long-term decisions. More generically, the have-nots should be be able to use the election process to take from the haves.

Truth Warrior
04-01-2009, 10:58 AM
Fine.. everyone can vote. But the ballot looks like this:

( ) Ron Paul
( ) Write in:_______

Is Voting an Act of Violence? by Carl Watner
http://www.voluntaryist.com/articles/103.php (http://www.voluntaryist.com/articles/103.php)

Voting your way to freedom is like screwing your way to virginity. :rolleyes:

Mitt Romneys sideburns
04-01-2009, 10:59 AM
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7854/starshiptroopersl.jpg

Come on, you apes! You wanta live forever?

Krugerrand
04-01-2009, 11:10 AM
Okay here it is. In Irwin Schiff's "How an Economy Grows and Why It Doesn't"

Really big file: http://www.restoretherepublic.org/documents/how-an-economy-grows.pdf
(p56...60)

or links to pages:
http://www.takelifeback.com/hegawid/
(p50...54)

Some quotes:
"If a vote costs nothing it's worth nothing."
"The ignorant and irresponsible will vote if it's free, and such votes are dangerous!"
"Let the stupid and who-cares citizens stay home! If he pays to vote he'll pay more attention to the issues and the candidates."

Kraig
04-01-2009, 11:30 AM
Both are at fault but you should blame the sheeple more than the government

Here's why

http://www.shoutfile.com/watch/iUkb3MBs/George-Carlin---Voting.html

Your thoughts?

Well I agree completely but I also think it is more complex than that. The problem has been passed from generation to generation with the masses being educated by government run schools and by media that is run with biased intentions. I also think the majority of americans do not even vote, and they are not the problem.

andrewh817
04-01-2009, 12:01 PM
All these ideas that making people pass civics tests will stop the corruption in the government are based on the idea that our voting system is not inherently corrupt! For example in the last election people picked Obama because he "wasn't as bad as McCain." That shows that the problem isn't necessarily voting for the wrong person, but not having anything different to choose from!