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reduen
04-01-2009, 08:39 AM
I am awake.

Isn't there any way for us to take back our country and fire
all of our congress critters legally? I don't mean in 2010, 2011, 2012, I
mean right now. (This week, month...)

Why can't we get a few hundred or thousand people in our district who are tired of all this like we are and just go to their house and fire them...? (Hand them a pink slip or a bag of tea and be done with it.)


Chris R

Note:
I am not advocating any violence in any way here. (Everyone here knows that I am a "wimp") I just think that it is clear that our reps do not intend to represent us anymore and therefore they fail to do their job.

Rael
04-01-2009, 03:03 PM
Force is the only way to achieve what you are talking about. People would need to physically drag the congressclowns from their offices and inform them that their services will no longer be needed. I don't know a "legal" non coercive way to do this.

silverhawks
04-01-2009, 03:17 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_election

I would say that you'd need to get the Governors on your side.

At the same time, every state would be best advised to push through their state sovereignty legislation.

yoshimaroka
04-01-2009, 03:21 PM
I don't know a "legal" non coercive way to do this.

stop voting, stop paying taxes.

JK/SEA
04-01-2009, 03:24 PM
Maybe contact the Commander's at a couple Army bases and see when they are going to make these politicians fully accountable by sending in 2 or 3 battalions to surround the Capitol, and arrest everyone for breaking their oath to the Constitution. The military would be justified under the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution.

Anyone up for a phone call blitz on this?

silverhawks
04-01-2009, 03:26 PM
Recall of Legislators and the Removal of Members of Congress from Office (http://lieberman.senate.gov/documents/crs/recalls&removals.pdf)

Summary

Under the United States Constitution and congressional practice, Members of Congress may have their services ended prior to the normal expiration of their constitutionally established terms of office by their resignation or death, or by action of the House of Congress in which they are a Member by way of an “expulsion,” or by a finding that in accepting a subsequent public office deemed to be “incompatible” with congressional office, the Member has vacated his congressional seat.

Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of the respective body present and voting. While there are no specific grounds for an expulsion expressed in the Constitution, expulsion actions in both the House and the Senate have generally concerned cases of perceived disloyalty to the United States, or the conviction of a criminal statutory offense which involved abuse of one’s official position. Each House has broad authority as to the grounds, nature, timing, and procedure for an expulsion of a Member. However, policy considerations, as opposed to questions of authority, have appeared to restrain the Senate and House in the exercise of expulsion when it might be considered as infringing on the electoral process, such as when the electorate knew of the past misconduct under consideration and still elected or re-elected the Member.

As to removal by recall, the United States Constitution does not provide for nor authorize the recall of United States officers such as Senators, Representatives, or the President or Vice President, and thus no Member of Congress has ever been recalled in the history of the United States.

The recall of Members was considered during the time of the drafting of the federal Constitution in 1787, but no such provisions were included in the final version sent to the States for ratification, and the specific drafting and ratifying debates indicate an express understanding of the Framers and ratifiers that no right or power to recall a Senator or Representative from the United States Congress exists under the Constitution.

Although the Supreme Court has not needed to directly address the subject of recall of Members of Congress, other Supreme Court decisions, as well as the weight of other judicial and administrative decisions, rulings and opinions, indicate that: (1) the right to remove a Member of Congress before the expiration of his or her constitutionally established term of office is one which resides exclusively in each House of Congress as established in the expulsion clause of the United States Constitution, and (2) the length and number of the terms of office for federal officials, established and agreed upon by the States in the Constitution creating that Federal Government, may not be unilaterally changed by an individual State, such as through the enactment of a recall provision or a term limitation for a United States Senator or Representative.

Under Supreme Court constitutional interpretation, since individual States never had the original sovereign authority to unilaterally change the terms and conditions of service of federal officials agreed to and established in the Constitution, such a power could not be “reserved” under the 10th Amendment.

jkr
04-01-2009, 03:29 PM
i'll second it.

silverhawks
04-01-2009, 03:38 PM
Just because the Constitution gives no precedent for recall, I'm not sure that constitutional lawyers or members of the Supreme Court wouldn't side with the people on this one.

This administration and Congress is threatening the safety of America.

silverhawks
04-01-2009, 03:42 PM
Also, I know this is going to sound odd...but I would look around for prominent Democrat and Republican boards to check the sentiments there. I doubt many Republicans at all are ok with the actions of the Obama administration over the last month - and in fact, I think maybe some Democrats might be out of their honeymoon period with the President and Congress. In fact, gather as much support as possible from as many places as possible, regardless of party. Best to start networking.

mediahasyou
04-01-2009, 03:53 PM
http://voluntaryist.com/articles/070.php