Anyone esle wish they were in London right now?

[Rock Sexton]

I know I do. It's so great to see so many of our European bretheren sticking up for themselves.

[silverhawks]

You do know that the G20 protests are socialist rallies, right?

[Rock Sexton]

You do know that the G20 protests are socialist rallies, right?

Howso?

[ghengis86]

I know I do. It's so great to see so many of our European bretheren sticking up for themselves.

uh, they want the governments to do MORE, not less. their protests are valiant, but there motives are cowardly. freedom is dangerous because there is freedom to fail and that scares the timid.

[ghengis86]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Picture_1(206).png
Howso?

http://www.examiner.com/x-2888-World-News-Examiner~y2009m3d29-G20-protests-begin-in-London

check out the banner "Capitalism isn't working. Another world is possible."

or
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1282/slide_1282_18991_large.jpg
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1282/slide_1282_18994_large.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/30/g-20-protests-send-us-you_n_180980.html

[Master]

http://www.putpeoplefirst.org.uk/about-us/policy-platform/

[silverhawks]

Howso?

I also refer you to the information I posted in this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=186151

Pay special attention to the links in my posts. The BBC quoted either communists, socialists, or members of the Labour Party (not that there's much difference between all three).

I don't see these protests being organised for legitimate dissent, more as a way to stop a legitimate, non-Government sanctioned protest from going ahead.

[Conza88]

Nope, thats probably the last place I'd want to be.

[ghengis86]

http://www.putpeoplefirst.org.uk/about-us/policy-platform/

for the lazy:

Put People First: Ensure democratic governance of the economy
1. Compel tax havens to abide by strict international rules.
2. Insist on fundamental governance reform of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF).
3. Make all financial institutions, financial products and multinationals transparent and publicly accountable.

Jobs: Decent jobs and public services for all
4. Ensure a massive investment in a green new deal to build a green economy based on decent work and fair pay.
5. Invest in and strengthen public provision of essential services.
6. Work to ensure sufficient emergency funding to all countries that need it, without damaging conditionalities attached.

Justice: End global poverty and inequality
7. Deliver 0.7% of national income as aid by 2013, deliver aid more effectively and push for the cancellation of all illegitimate and unpayable developing country debts.
8. Ensure that poorer states are allowed to take responsibility for managing their economies, including controlling cross-border capital flows.
9. Stop pushing developing countries to liberalise and deregulate their economies, and do not attempt to rush through a completion of the Doha trade round, a deal that developing countries have rejected several times.

Climate: Build a Green Economy
10. In addition to the green new deal (recommendation 4), introduce the robust regulatory requirements and financial incentives needed to deliver a green economy.
11. Push for a deal at Copenhagen to agree substantial, verifiable cuts in greenhouse gases, which will limit temperature increases to well below 2°C.
12. Commit to substantial new resource transfer from North to South, additional to Overseas Development Assistance (ODA), to support adaptation and sustainable development in poor countries.

[dr. hfn]

they have a slightly different perspective than we do...

[Young Paleocon]

they have a slightly different perspective than we do...
Exactly....It's called stupid.

[silverhawks]

Mark my words, these protests are NOT the general members of the public rising up to voice their opinion. This is hideously biased in favour of "left-wing" politics (for those who still subscribe to that paradigm). The BBC is also hideously biased in that direction as well, preaching globalism and multiculturalism.

If the British have one failing, it is tolerance to the point of apathy. That is wearing VERY thin right now on all fronts in the UK, and I honestly have to say, god help the government when that wears out. I've seen REAL protests in the UK, when public patience is exhausted, and its never pretty.

The New Labour government seems intent on antagonising just about everyone - including the British Armed Forces - secure in the assumption that some police (not ALL the police, trust me) and CCTV cameras will protect them. There's a reason why the only armed police in the UK are to be found in Whitehall. In their arrogance, they have no idea of the perfect storm they are creating.

[Rock Sexton]

Guess I was wrong about these lads. :eek:

[silverhawks]

Guess I was wrong about these lads. :eek:

Well, this hardly looks like a rage-fuelled protester, does it?

http://epyonsoft.com/blogger/uploaded_images/fatpikachu-702103.jpg

[micahnelson]

They are pissed at the banks. I consider them allies in the greater struggle, Us vr. the banks.

[vegaspilot03]

lol that pikachu pic is hilarious.

[Zolah]

They are pissed at the banks. I consider them allies in the greater struggle, Us vr. the banks.

They are anti-capitalists, simply put.

[silverhawks]

They are pissed at the banks. I consider them allies in the greater struggle, Us vr. the banks.

Who? Pokemon Cosplayers for the Socialist Revolution?

Please take a good long look at these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqbAKfi0kc

Now, you tell me if you think they are allies of liberty or shills (knowing or unknowing) of the government, because all I hear is "globalism through environmentalism" here.

They don't want the G20 out - they want the G20 to "stop ignoring them" and USE THEIR MONEY TO GLOBALISE NOW.

Note the Communist flags near the start of the video.

And this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3sL3YNlMK4&feature=related

Stop world poverty...through GLOBALISM.

How about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULp1lK2I3_w&feature=related

Note: "People don't want free markets to rule, they want a different society", and of course the huge CAPITALISM ISN'T WORKING sign. Both Martin McMulkin and Tony Woodley (the two men that comment on this video) work at a fairly high level in the same trade union organisation: Unite the Union (http://www.amicustheunion.org/). Note that according to the BBC report, McKulkin is "just another worker concerned for his job."

Somehow I don't see the VAST majority of Britain's non-union workers and small business owners agreeing with these people.

I also somehow doubt that the vast majority of these protesters think that, for instance, the EU is anything to protest about - because being one small cog in a one global society is fluffy and wonderful, since the government will protect them from all harm; as long as they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. One global currency is a wonderful thing to them, because then the global government and global banking system can take care of that too...

The central overriding message of these "protests" is that capitalism is to blame for all the world's ills, and the G20 should turn their back on it in favour of a global society with non-capitalist rules.

This is collectivist thinking - the rule of the mob - at its WORST, and the BBC is propagandising that message through these broadcasts.

And I am coining this phrase right here, right now: PINO. Protester In Name Only.

[RevolutionSD]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Picture_1(206).png

http://www.examiner.com/x-2888-World-News-Examiner~y2009m3d29-G20-protests-begin-in-London

check out the banner "Capitalism isn't working. Another world is possible."

or
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1282/slide_1282_18991_large.jpg
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1282/slide_1282_18994_large.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/30/g-20-protests-send-us-you_n_180980.html

Amazing how ignorant people are!

The LAST thing we have is a capitalist world. Just the very fact that a "G20" even exists proves that free markets do not!

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand.

[silverhawks]

Couple of things. First, another wonderful image:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45622000/jpg/_45622791_consumers_suck_bbc.jpg

A good friend of mine pointed this out - these socialists are protesting the capitalist system that provides them with dole checks, or taking time off of work to protest, causing businesses along the protest route to be shuttered, blockaded and closed for three days straight. And they say CAPITALISM is ruining the economy?

And will socialism fix the damage from vandalism during the protests when this is all said and done? I think NOT.

That's the central insanity of socialism for me - it is a parasitic ideology, requiring capitalism in order to validate itself - and it begs for the destruction of its host. These guys can't survive without a nanny state. When capitalism dies and the socialists realise there are no more checks coming, they turn once more to the state for aid, and since the state finds it cannot support itself either in turn, it becomes totalitarian in order to stay alive.

And this, a glimmer of hope and sanity.

Images from pro-capitalist demo (http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/04/images-from-procapitalist-demo.html)

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e201156eb60a8f970c-800wi

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e201156fb02135970b-800wi

[eOs]

If a revolution ever did occur in these times, I'd say it'd be the bloodiest in the history of civilization because of the strong view points held on both sides. Yikes. It'd be us vs. the trotskyites.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

if they want socialism let them have it, if we want everyone to be a democracy we would be no better than the soviet union wanting everyone to be communist

[hugolp]

I wish I was there. You just have to join the capitlist.

[AuH20]

If a revolution ever did occur in these times, I'd say it'd be the bloodiest in the history of civilization because of the strong view points held on both sides. Yikes. It'd be us vs. the trotskyites.

I'm patiently waiting for this inevitable clash. The trotskyites will gladly do the bidding for the elites. They see salvation in the state and they will do anything in their power to preserve it. While the elites do delegate from their secluded perches of power, ultimately they are nothing without the socialist masses whom are dependent upon them. Did you not notice the manifesto for the G-20 meltdown? One of the tenets called for the government to provide all citizens with a home, a well-paying job and healthcare. Many of these people are unsavable IMHO.:p

[DAFTEK]

if they want socialism let them have it, if we want everyone to be a democracy we would be no better than the soviet union wanting everyone to be communist

No such thing as DEMOCRACY!

[Paulitician]

State socialists never cease to amaze me.

Their sign should read: "Government isn't working"

but no, they're calling for more government. This is going to turn out great :o

[Kraig]

State socialists never cease to amaze me.

Their sign should read: "Government isn't working"

but no, they're calling for more government. This is going to turn out great :o

Seriously guys, if these protests start in DC, we NEED to be there! I am setting aside travel money so I can go when the opportunity arises, who is with me? We can't let the socialists be the only ones with a voice.

[Gladiator of Freedom]

What the hell is wrong with England, have they listened to one word Daniel Hannan has said?

[Kraig]

What the hell is wrong with England, have they listened to one word Daniel Hannan has said?

It's the same thing with the riots and protests all over the world, we need to be ready for this!

[sirachman]

if they want socialism let them have it, if we want everyone to be a democracy we would be no better than the soviet union wanting everyone to be communist

What the hell does democracy have to do with anything? America is a Republic! (or was)

[Don't Tread on Mike]

I absolutely wish I were in England right now spreading the message of liberty and protest for the right reason.

[Howard_Roark]

http://www.afed.org.uk/

This is one of the main protestors. They are anarchist communists. Europe is mostly socalist, and so is the UK government. Don't worry, the US is fast on there heals however.

[SWATH]

http://www.afed.org.uk/organisation/aims-and-principles.html
Wow that group makes my head spin:


Aims and Principles

The Anarchist Federation is an organisation of class struggle anarchists (based in Britain and Ireland, but with many contacts overseas) which aims to abolish Capitalism and all oppression to create a free and equal society. This is Anarchist Communism.We see today's society as being divided into two main opposing classes: the ruling class which controls all the power and wealth, and the working class which the rulers exploit to maintain this. By racism, sexism and other forms of oppression, as well as war and environmental destruction the rulers weaken and divide us. Only the direct action of working class people can defeat these attacks and ultimately overthrow capitalism.
As the capitalist system rules the whole world it's destruction must be complete and world wide. We reject attempts to reform it such as working through parliament and national liberation movements (like the IRA) as they fail to challenge capitalism itself. Unions also work as a part of the capitalist system, so although workers struggle within them, they will be unable to bring about capitalism's destruction unless they go beyond these limits.
Organisation is vital if we're to beat the bosses, so we work for a united anarchist movement and are affiliated to the International of Anarchist Federations (http://www.afed.org.uk/organisation/international-iaf-ifa).
Read: our monthly bulletin (http://www.afed.org.uk/publications/resistance-bulletin.html) for news and activism, our topical magazine (http://www.afed.org.uk/publications/organise-magazine.html) and collection of pamphlets (http://www.afed.org.uk/publications/pamphlets-booklets.html) to find out more about us.
Find out: how to join the AF (http://www.afed.org.uk/organisation/join-the-af.html) in Britain and Ireland, or contact us (http://www.afed.org.uk/organisation/contact.html) for more info.

Aims and Principles

1The Anarchist Federation is an organisation of revolutionary class struggle anarchists. We aim for the abolition of all hierarchy, and work for the creation of a world-wide classless society: anarchist communism.


2 Capitalism is based on the exploitation of the working class by the ruling class. But inequality and exploitation are also expressed in terms of race, gender, sexuality, health, ability and age, and in these ways one section of the working class oppresses another. This divides us, causing a lack of class unity in struggle that benefits the ruling class. Oppressed groups are strengthened by autonomous action which challenges social and economic power relationships. To achieve our goal we must relinquish power over each other on a personal as well as a political level.


3 We believe that fighting racism and sexism is as important as other aspects of the class struggle. Anarchist-Communism cannot be achieved while sexism and racism still exist. In order to be effective in their struggle against their oppression both within society and within the working class, women, lesbians and gays, and black people may at times need to organise independently. However, this should be as working class people as cross-class movements hide real class differences and achieve little for them. Full emancipation cannot be achieved without the abolition of capitalism.


4 We are opposed to the ideology of national liberation movements which claims that there is some common interest between native bosses and the working class in face of foreign domination. We do support working class struggles against racism, genocide, ethnocide and political and economic colonialism. We oppose the creation of any new ruling class. We reject all forms of nationalism, as this only serves to redefine divisions in the international working class. The working class has no country and national boundaries must be eliminated. We seek to build an anarchist international to work with other libertarian revolutionaries throughout the world.


5 As well as exploiting and oppressing the majority of people, Capitalism threatens the world through war and the destruction of the environment.


6 It is not possible to abolish Capitalism without a revolution, which will arise out of class conflict. The ruling class must be completely overthrown to achieve anarchist communism. Because the ruling class will not relinquish power without their use of armed force, this revolution will be a time of violence as well as liberation.


7 Unions by their very nature cannot become vehicles for the revolutionary transformation of society. They have to be accepted by capitalism in order to function and so cannot play a part in its overthrow. Trades unions divide the working class (between employed and unemployed, trade and craft, skilled and unskilled, etc). Even syndicalist unions are constrained by the fundamental nature of unionism. The union has to be able to control its membership in order to make deals with management. Their aim, through negotiation, is to achieve a fairer form of exploitation of the workforce. The interests of leaders and representatives will always be different from ours. The boss class is our enemy, and while we must fight for better conditions from it, we have to realise that reforms we may achieve today may be taken away tomorrow. Our ultimate aim must be the complete abolition of wage slavery. Working within the unions can never achieve this. However, we do not argue for people to leave unions until they are made irrelevant by the revolutionary event. The union is a common point of departure for many workers. Rank and file initiatives may strengthen us in the battle for anarchist communism. What's important is that we organise ourselves collectively, arguing for workers to control struggles themselves.


8 Genuine liberation can only come about through the revolutionary self activity of the working class on a mass scale. An anarchist communist society means not only co-operation between equals, but active involvement in the shaping and creating of that society during and after the revolution. In times of upheaval and struggle, people will need to create their own revolutionary organisations controlled by everyone in them. These autonomous organisations will be outside the control of political parties, and within them we will learn many important lessons of self-activity.


9 As anarchists we organise in all areas of life to try to advance the revolutionary process. We believe a strong anarchist organisation is necessary to help us to this end. Unlike other so-called socialists or communists we do not want power or control for our organisation. We recognise that the revolution can only be carried out directly by the working class. However, the revolution must be preceded by organisations able to convince people of the anarchist communist alternative and method. We participate in struggle as anarchist communists, and organise on a federative basis. We reject sectarianism and work for a united revolutionary anarchist movement.


10 We oppose organised religion and religious belief(s).

[BenIsForRon]

Guys, socialism is all they know. They are still our allies. It will be OUR job to change their mind once they're in power.

Would you rather have bankers in control of a 95% socialist UK, or the people in control of a 96% socialist UK?

[Paulitician]

This video about anarcho-communists demonstration has some good (and funny) parts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMw8yKtZPo

[Conza88]

USEFUL IDIOTS.. all of them.

[pappy]

Well, this hardly looks like a rage-fuelled protester, does it?

http://epyonsoft.com/blogger/uploaded_images/fatpikachu-702103.jpg

Is that ghemminger?!?!?!?

:D

[RohanT]

Motives aside, the Brits are a gritty bunch. I could benefit from a few Hooligans on my team.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1166349/Protesters-storm-RBS-office-thousands-anti-capitalists-ransack-City-G20-riot.html

[micahnelson]

I side with the people throwing bricks at the BoE. You all can feel free to be more closely aligned with the hannitized.