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josh1anderson
03-31-2009, 01:55 PM
Hello
I have a question about the Social Security Number, and what is the process of getting rid or returning the Number....

Hoping that there is someone that is able to help me

Josh Anderson

Josh1Anderson@yahoo.com

JoshLowry
03-31-2009, 01:57 PM
Good question. I think they are non refundable. ;)

Welcome to the forums.

Uriel999
03-31-2009, 01:59 PM
we are all screwed and stuck with them

bossman068410
03-31-2009, 01:59 PM
I would reccomend NOT putting your full name on the web. Anyone can type your name in search they will find your posts ect. Think about it. When you go on a date, go for a job, or anything people WILL and DO look you up.

RCA
03-31-2009, 02:07 PM
Awesome first post and welcome to the forums!

heavenlyboy34
03-31-2009, 02:21 PM
welcome to the forums, OP. :) ~hugs~

JS4Pat
03-31-2009, 02:34 PM
There is a way to do it...

TurtleBurger
03-31-2009, 05:58 PM
I would reccomend NOT putting your full name on the web. Anyone can type your name in search they will find your posts ect. Think about it. When you go on a date, go for a job, or anything people WILL and DO look you up.

With a name like "Josh Anderson" I think he's pretty safe.

Kludge
03-31-2009, 06:00 PM
With a name like "Josh Anderson" I think he's pretty safe.

=/ I share my name with some weird British sailor and someone who apparently hates Paris Hilton.

micahnelson
03-31-2009, 06:00 PM
What about me? lawls.

TurtleBurger
03-31-2009, 06:05 PM
=/ I share my name with some weird British sailor and someone who apparently hates Paris Hilton.

You're all three the same person, admit it!

dannno
03-31-2009, 06:11 PM
//

satchelmcqueen
03-31-2009, 07:35 PM
you can have mine it is 365 98 76561

HOLLYWOOD
04-01-2009, 05:31 PM
I love this shirt... it expresses the truth:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/mzcmdr/ssn1.jpg

Josh_LA
04-02-2009, 12:59 AM
I believe you can protect it from being abused, but cannot disconnect yourself from it

You CAN however, legally change your name.

akihabro
04-02-2009, 01:18 AM
I would reccomend NOT putting your full name on the web. Anyone can type your name in search they will find your posts ect. Think about it. When you go on a date, go for a job, or anything people WILL and DO look you up.

I agree!

akihabro
04-02-2009, 01:20 AM
I guess get lifelock http://www.lifelock.com/ I know what you mean. Sorry your parents enslaved you. Life without a SS seems like illegal status to me. I think I've seen a document where you can get it rescinded.

risk_reward
04-03-2009, 09:09 PM
There is a way to do it...

I'm guessing he doesn't want to kill himself.

KCIndy
04-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Hello
I have a question about the Social Security Number, and what is the process of getting rid or returning the Number....


It's no use!! You've been branded with the Mark of the Beast! THE BEAST!!

Yaaarrrrgghhhhh!!!!! Aaaiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

>>>>>runs off into the night, screaming wildly<<<<<




whew!
This tinfoil hat is making me all sweaty.

Barackistan
04-13-2009, 11:57 PM
What the hell is the purpose for Social Security anyway?

No college professor has given me a straight answer about this. Any clue?

DamianTV
04-14-2009, 06:35 AM
Social(ist) Security was originally implemented as a VOLUNTARY injury insurance system. Read into that statement. Insurance. IE Fraud. THen it became "mandatory". Its not. Its still VOLUNTARY. Of course try to find one idiot in any HR department at ANY job that will tell you that. Ask a Baby Boomer and they will tell you it is for "retirement". It is, and never was a form of retirement. This is one of the ways this system of govt destroyed itself.

You can voluntarily revoke your Social Security Number under false pretense or duress. If you were assigned a Social Security Number before you were the age of 18, it is a violation of the law as you can not be legally obligated to said contract unless you were the age of concent. You werent, thus, it isnt.

I just went thru this on another thread but basically what will happen is you will have to surrender also your Drivers License, and be prohibited from paying any forms of Income Tax. Oh darn, Im so depressed, I cant pay my income tax! And they cant withhold it! Darn the bad luck!

Drivers License: You Drive when you operate a vehicle for business. The terms are very very legalese here. Drive means you do it for business. Like a taxi, or delivery. Vehicle is something you Drive for business. If its not for business, its an Automobile. Very big legal definition there. Automobile can be used to TRAVEL, not Drive. You travel somewhere in your Automobile which can not be infringed on and is a Constitutionally Guaranteed Right. You Drive your passengers (IE fare, think taxi) to their destination. You escort your Guest in your automobile.

Ok enough of that. Next up, citizenship. You will no longer be a US citizen. A US citizen is basically someone that lives in the property of the United States, but not a member thereof. Such as D.C., Puerto Rico. No Constitutional rights for US citizens. Only Civil Liberties. Thus, you will no longer be a US citizen with civil liberties, you will be downgraded to being a State Citizen and may only have the protection of Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights.

Then youre gonna get pulled over because the cops are going ape shit with funding cuts and need to bring in more money which must mean they must raise their ticket quota. So they are gonna pull you over, bullshit excuse or not, give you a ticket for "no license" because cops only care about giving tickets, not whether they go thru in court. Then youre gonna demand a trial by jury, which is guaranteed as a right, although you may waive said right. So you get a trial by jury, and there wont be one dumb fuck in the entire lot of the selected jury pool that knows the difference between State Citizen and US citizen and what the legal differences are.

Then youre gonna get stuck with a big fat fine thanks to your wonderfully incompentent jury that falsely convicts you and have to pay this big fat fine. So you need to get a JOB. You go and ask any place for a Job App, and the very first thing they will ask is "Are you a US citizen?" If you answer YES to this, guess what, you just threw away all your constitutional rights, and have the legal rights of an illegal immigrant all over again. But if you answer NO, you will retain your State Citizenship with your Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights, and the burger flipping manager that needs a self help book on how to pick your nose will look at that and think youre a illegal mexican and not hire you because his ass doesnt know either.

Moral of the story is that the Constitution is only a document to be followed if there is someone to enforce it, otherwise, unfortunately, its like Bush said, "its just a god damn piece of paper".

Revoking your SSN is more trouble than its worth, because of the times and most peoples ignorance toward the subject, not because of the law.

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Edit: For the record, can ANYONE find me one job application that does NOT require you to be a US citizen? Pay attention to the capitalization there, capital C Citizen has constitutionally guaranteed rights, lower case citizen is a "2nd class citizen" and is not afforded guaranteed rights. Can anyone find me one that asks if you are a "State Citizen" with that capitalization? Or do they ALL say US citizen, lower case C? Can someone please prove me wrong? There are times I like to be proven wrong and this would be one of them!

HOLLYWOOD
04-14-2009, 09:36 AM
Interesting... I would like to see court case rulings.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/mzcmdr/ssn1.jpg

McDonald
04-14-2009, 10:08 AM
What the hell is the purpose for Social Security anyway?

No college professor has given me a straight answer about this. Any clue?

Watch the Obama Deception. Halfway through Ron Paul's brother explains it.

hillertexas
04-14-2009, 10:22 AM
Maybe you can help your kids:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/scarmig/scarmig1.html


How I Said No to the Automatic Social Security Number

by Scarmig

This is the story of how I successfully refused to accept a Social Security Number for my child.

I simply said “no.”

Really. That’s how easy it was. I just said no, again, and again.

On the Texas Application for Birth Certificate, which I was unable to get a copy of for this article, there is a check box down at the bottom of the page. It says, and I’m paraphrasing, “Check here to have your child assigned a Social Security Number.”

A day or two after my daughter was born, a girl walked into our recovery room with a folder of papers and brochures. There were all kinds of release forms and medical advice and, of course, the birth certificate application. I had a pretty good idea which forms were required for our insurance. We filled those out, leaving off everything but the barest minimum required information. Then we got to the birth certificate, with the incongruous SSN checkbox stuck into a corner at the bottom of the second page. I left it blank, of course. I suspected what was going to happen, and when the hospital admin returned the forms to us to put our final signatures on, someone had very considerately checked the box for us.

My wife pointed out that we deliberately left the checkbox blank and that we did not want our child assigned a Social Security Number. The hospital admin blinked. That funny look came across her eyes. You know the one; that purple confusion that occurs when someone who is accustomed to people doing what she says suddenly slams into a brick wall of opposition? That was she.

“I – I don’t know how to do that,” she stammered.

Of course she knew how to do it. When you get to that matching field on the computer screen, you leave it blank! She just never had an opportunity to try. Her lucky day to learn something new!

I shrugged. “Not my problem,” my shrug implied. She gathered up the papers, frustrated and annoyed, and left. We had obviously tossed a minor foible her way. Damn new parents. Always wanting everything just the way they want it.

I turned around to see my mother-in-law, who is the quintessential “Patriotic American™”, trying to burn holes through me with her eyes. She had overheard the quibble about the Social Security Number and her patriotic duty was flying full mast (this was not too long after the September 11 massacre). Her cultural upbringing prevented her from actually voicing the question, so I just answered without waiting for her to speak.

“It’s her choice,” I said, turning my head to my newborn.

“Social Security is voluntary. It’s a contract. She’s not old enough to understand it or make an informed decision. So, we believe it’s a decision that should be left to her. She can always sign up when she’s older, and knows what she’s getting into.”

“But what if you die or get sick? Who will take care of her?” my mother-in-law demanded.

“I opened a half million dollar policy at work this week,” I countered. “If I die, she gets a half-million bucks. That’s a lot more than Social Security will ever pay her. Ever. I’ll also put her on my health insurance. She’s covered. I don’t need Social Security to take care of her. We’ll decide soon on setting up guardianship in the event we both die. And besides, there’s always you.”

My wife voiced her support.

“Mom, it’s our decision to make. Social Security is just bad. There won’t be any money left when I retire, much less her, so we don’t see the value in it. It’s something we’ve discussed and agreed on and it’s our decision to make, okay?”

My mother-in-law quietly accepted our decision. Or at least tolerated it. Or at least realized it was futile to argue any further.

A while later the room phone rang and I answered it.

“Mr. Allen? I understand you refused the Social Security Number for your child?”

“That’s right.”

It was an older woman, obviously a supervisor of some kind. The razor in her voice was barely concealed.

“You do realize that without a Social Security Number she can’t go to school or get a driver’s license?” she menaced.

“Well,” I said as friendly as possible, “it’ll be a few years before she goes to school and even longer before she needs to drive. And I can always get her one later, right?” I knew I could, but I wanted to play the “innocent” as much as possible. This lady was too close to government institutions for me to really want to piss her off.

She conceded that yes, my daughter could always get one later and abruptly hung up.

My mother-in-law had taken to staring out the window without blinking. Chinese for disapproval, I suppose.

A few minutes later the same hospital admin returned with our paperwork. The checkbox was blanked with whiteout, and a handwritten note authorized the correction. I signed my paternity (but left off my own SSN) and my wife finalized.

We weren’t out of the woods yet. People in government are so conditioned to habit that I knew there was a strong possibility that someone would key in the SSN application in spite of the very explicit note. If we received a Social Security Card in her name in spite of our wishes, it would be almost impossible to have it rescinded. It requires essentially suing the hospital administration for misrepresentation and forgery, and once that victory is achieved, the results ram-rodded through the SSA. Good luck. The only other option I know of is to burn the card immediately and assume it never existed, something that may not be a bad idea for most adults as well.

It takes two to three weeks for a new Social Security card to be mailed to an applicant. My daughter has recently had her first birthday party and we have not received any contact from the SSA.

It was easy, far easier than I expected. Confidence defeats the habitual bully. But there were other ramifications beyond snotty hospital administrators. The health insurance was a bigger worry of mine than the hospital papers or the birth certificate. For the birth, I printed out and packed our state laws regarding the form of the birth certificate. They are very specific about which sections are required. Interestingly enough, the section dealing with the parents’ Social Security Numbers and application for a child’s Social Security Number are explicitly deemed “not a part of the legal birth certificate.”1 I knew that was in the bag (and highlighted for easy pointing out to administrative automatons). But the health insurance was a big worry. I found nothing preventing a health insurer from refusing coverage to a dependent without a Social Security Number. In the end, I applied for the change of benefits and left my child’s SSN field blank. In the course of conversations with agents to set up her benefits, only one even mentioned that she had no SSN. I simply said my daughter didn’t have one yet. That seemed fine and I have so far had no issues or difficulties with either the insurance, doctors, or licensed child-care. Let me repeat that to make sure it sinks in. I have heath insurance, a pediatrician, and licensed child-care without my child needing an SSN. Interestingly enough, since then I have received computer generated documents on my daughter with the SSN filled in as 000-00-0001.

Since then, various family members have circulated our SSN choice through the grapevine, and I occasionally get messages from people asking how it is legal, or being angry with me for “stealing” from America (as if American has more claim over my child than I do). The SSN conditioning is so deep even people who are old enough that one would think they remember not having an SSN believe that it is a requirement of citizenship in the United States from birth. As with many things in the freedom movement, being an example prompts more questions and interest than debating about it ever could. I’ve been able to educate dozens of people on the fact that a Social Security Number is not required for natural born citizens simply because I wouldn’t accept one for my own child. This in itself is a great victory and a building block to spreading the freedom meme.

But I have had to be very careful about my reasoning. Obviously many people I talk to are shocked that my daughter does not have an SSN. Inevitably the conversation comes around to taxes. “But how do you claim her as a dependant on your taxes?” they ask.

“I don’t.”

And then the saddest part of the Social Security scheme rears its ugly head.

“But doesn’t that cost you more money?”

Yes. Yes, it does. Not claiming a dependent on your taxes is your right. You always have the “right” to pay more taxes. You always have the right to refuse a deduction. At our income, I figure not claiming my daughter costs me between $300 and $400 every year in tax deductions that I don’t get back.

Most people reply with, “Is that all?” I shrug and say, yeah, that’s all. Three or four hundred dollars a year and my daughter is free from Social Security for as long as she wants to be.

And a few say, “But that’s a lot of money!”

And this is when I have to bite my tongue and refrain from replying. My child is worth more to me than a couple of hundred bucks a year. The condemnation in that statement is best left implied, rather than openly spoken. It’s a conclusion that needs to be reached gently by the listener, rather than slapped in the face like a leather glove. But without exception, no one who has pursued that line of questioning with me has ever broached the subject again.

So that’s it. My daughter is not a number. It will be her choice to enter the system if she wants. If she chooses, she can be self-employed and never pay income tax. She can keep the fruits of her labors for herself, or she can sign up for the social trough when and if she thinks it is appropriate. She will be educated on what it entails and how it works. She may have to learn to drive without a driver’s license. She may have to learn to save for health expenses. She may have a more difficult life than many people, but she will have an opportunity of freedom that most people in America never receive. I can’t make her take it. I can’t make her embrace the difficult life of freedom in America . But I can give her the chance.

1 Texas Statutes: Health and Safety Code: Chapter 192.002 – Form of Birth Certificate; Section (c): “The form must include a space for recording the Social Security Numbers of the mother and father and the signatures of the biological mother and biological father. These Social Security Numbers and signatures are not a part of the legal birth certificate . . . .”

stilltrying
04-30-2009, 11:21 PM
Social(ist) Security was originally implemented as a VOLUNTARY injury insurance system. Read into that statement. Insurance. IE Fraud. THen it became "mandatory". Its not. Its still VOLUNTARY. Of course try to find one idiot in any HR department at ANY job that will tell you that. Ask a Baby Boomer and they will tell you it is for "retirement". It is, and never was a form of retirement. This is one of the ways this system of govt destroyed itself.

You can voluntarily revoke your Social Security Number under false pretense or duress. If you were assigned a Social Security Number before you were the age of 18, it is a violation of the law as you can not be legally obligated to said contract unless you were the age of concent. You werent, thus, it isnt.

I just went thru this on another thread but basically what will happen is you will have to surrender also your Drivers License, and be prohibited from paying any forms of Income Tax. Oh darn, Im so depressed, I cant pay my income tax! And they cant withhold it! Darn the bad luck!

Drivers License: You Drive when you operate a vehicle for business. The terms are very very legalese here. Drive means you do it for business. Like a taxi, or delivery. Vehicle is something you Drive for business. If its not for business, its an Automobile. Very big legal definition there. Automobile can be used to TRAVEL, not Drive. You travel somewhere in your Automobile which can not be infringed on and is a Constitutionally Guaranteed Right. You Drive your passengers (IE fare, think taxi) to their destination. You escort your Guest in your automobile.

Ok enough of that. Next up, citizenship. You will no longer be a US citizen. A US citizen is basically someone that lives in the property of the United States, but not a member thereof. Such as D.C., Puerto Rico. No Constitutional rights for US citizens. Only Civil Liberties. Thus, you will no longer be a US citizen with civil liberties, you will be downgraded to being a State Citizen and may only have the protection of Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights.

Then youre gonna get pulled over because the cops are going ape shit with funding cuts and need to bring in more money which must mean they must raise their ticket quota. So they are gonna pull you over, bullshit excuse or not, give you a ticket for "no license" because cops only care about giving tickets, not whether they go thru in court. Then youre gonna demand a trial by jury, which is guaranteed as a right, although you may waive said right. So you get a trial by jury, and there wont be one dumb fuck in the entire lot of the selected jury pool that knows the difference between State Citizen and US citizen and what the legal differences are.

Then youre gonna get stuck with a big fat fine thanks to your wonderfully incompentent jury that falsely convicts you and have to pay this big fat fine. So you need to get a JOB. You go and ask any place for a Job App, and the very first thing they will ask is "Are you a US citizen?" If you answer YES to this, guess what, you just threw away all your constitutional rights, and have the legal rights of an illegal immigrant all over again. But if you answer NO, you will retain your State Citizenship with your Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights, and the burger flipping manager that needs a self help book on how to pick your nose will look at that and think youre a illegal mexican and not hire you because his ass doesnt know either.

Moral of the story is that the Constitution is only a document to be followed if there is someone to enforce it, otherwise, unfortunately, its like Bush said, "its just a god damn piece of paper".

Revoking your SSN is more trouble than its worth, because of the times and most peoples ignorance toward the subject, not because of the law.

----

Edit: For the record, can ANYONE find me one job application that does NOT require you to be a US citizen? Pay attention to the capitalization there, capital C Citizen has constitutionally guaranteed rights, lower case citizen is a "2nd class citizen" and is not afforded guaranteed rights. Can anyone find me one that asks if you are a "State Citizen" with that capitalization? Or do they ALL say US citizen, lower case C? Can someone please prove me wrong? There are times I like to be proven wrong and this would be one of them!

Watch Robert Menards: The Magificent Deception (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=79C6AE32FA892B93&search_query=the+magnificent+deception) This will educate you on how to travel without a license, vehicle, registration, so on and so forth. When a cop gives you a ticket they are required to give you the top copy because it is a Bill of exchange. If not sign it under protest and duress bill of exchange not presented. Its all about who is in dishonour of the courts. Watch his videos they are magnificent. Lastly yes your social security number was more than likely assigned to you when you were under the age of consent. You can rescind your SS, everything is voluntary, you have a choice but you must educate yourself on how to become a freeman on the land. You are in fact a bonded slave with your SS and birth certificate.

It is setting up a strawman person (3rd party) to represent you the human being in the court of law that unsuspectingly have no idea about.

rbu
05-01-2009, 12:05 AM
Very simple process.


Stop acknowledging a name. No one can prove you have a name unless you agree that you do and acknowledge it.


Stop saying you know your birth date. You DO NOT know when you were born. It is hearsay and just what you've been told. You had no ability to note the time and date the second you came out.


You do not know who your mother is. Again, you had to ability to recognize your mother the second you came out. You cannot know for 100% FACT, hearsay.


Same with father, hearsay.


Stop acknowledging any numbers previously associated with your former name. No one can prove such a number exists if you do not agree and acknowledge one does indeed exist.


Stop acknowledging any certificates/licenses or any other government documents that have been associated with your former name.



The ONLY people that want you to acknowledge this information is those who want to keep track of you. I do not need your name, birth date, ss#, license, mother's name, father's name or any other document to talk to you or buy/sell/trade something from/to/with you.

Remember, the 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude. Just know that when you acknowledge any of the above listed, you ARE volunteering.


* This information is to be used only if you have not committed a crime against another person. It only works when they want money from you in some form or fashion.

Roxi
05-01-2009, 12:26 AM
during our trek around the country for the campaign we picked up a couple in michigan. both of them were in their 50's and had renounced their SSN's a long time ago, they did it based on principals of liberty and described horror stories to me about what they have gone through since because of it.

they both said if they could do it over again they wouldn't have gotten rid of them, because of the headaches it caused them.

Ill try to contact him and see what info he can give me about it.

akihabro
05-01-2009, 01:30 AM
I've seen this video and thought it was applicable to Canada. I would love to not have a SS#. If I was more entrepreneurial then I wouldn't need to worry about getting hired by someone else. Shoot wouldn't this void you from paying taxes? I know about ITIN's. Its hard to garnish wages or track someone down who pays things in cash and doesn't have a financial record.
Here's my socialist security number 123-\ /011_1-71017

mrsat_98
05-01-2009, 09:36 AM
Hello
I have a question about the Social Security Number, and what is the process of getting rid or returning the Number....

Hoping that there is someone that is able to help me

Josh Anderson

Josh1Anderson@yahoo.com


It has been a while since I saw it but there is an official SSA form SS-8 I think that is posted in these forums. http://www.losthorizons.com/phpBB/index.php

You might want to do a little research in to "fraud" and its effects and then review 42 USC 405 (c)(2)(C)(i) :

(C)(i) It is the policy of the United States that any State (or political subdivision thereof) may, in the administration of any tax, general public assistance, driver’s license, or motor vehicle registration law within its jurisdiction, utilize the social security account numbers issued by the Commissioner of Social Security for the purpose of establishing the identification of individuals affected by such law, and may require any individual who is or appears to be so affected to furnish to such State (or political subdivision thereof) or any agency thereof having administrative responsibility for the law involved, the social security account number (or numbers, if he has more than one such number) issued to him by the Commissioner of Social Security

I was never given any NOTICE of this as it was intentionally concealed from me rendering any SS# void ab initio as if it never existed. I sometimes wonder if a police officer enforcing Driver's License laws etc is a violation of 18 USC 201.

DamianTV
05-02-2009, 02:22 AM
Quick question, while were on this topic, in standard courtrooms you find American Flags (not unusual) with gold fringe indicating the court is operating as an Admirality Court or Military, so Constitutional Rights are not recognized in Courts of Admirality.

Im pretty fuzzy on this whole concept, anyone else care to fill us in?

(of course, long term and the big picture, who really gives a shit if a flag has a gold fringe on it unless they are flat out saying they are operating as a court of admirality and fly said flag due to that fact)

Objectivist
05-02-2009, 04:24 AM
Hello
I have a question about the Social Security Number, and what is the process of getting rid or returning the Number....

Hoping that there is someone that is able to help me

Josh Anderson

Josh1Anderson@yahoo.com

Try changing your name and when you do, tell the clerk that you don't have a SS#. At that point you might be committing perjury.

1776Patriot
05-02-2009, 11:10 AM
My question is how does one get a job without such?

Objectivist
05-02-2009, 03:42 PM
My question is how does one get a job without such?

Maybe you should ask the 20 million illegal immigrants?

asimplegirl
05-02-2009, 07:58 PM
My question is how does one get a job without such?

Get a job that pays cash....they don't ask for your info..I've done it in my younger years...Go in, tell the owner you will accept a dollar less than his other workers, all he has to do is pay you in cash. They never ask anything except maybe why... I always told the truth..."Because I am 17, and I have no idea how to file taxes."

LOL.

cindy25
05-02-2009, 08:06 PM
I was told one time by an Amish vendor at a county fair that they are exempt

nate895
05-02-2009, 10:05 PM
I have a question in this whole deal: I intend on being a professor of history and write on the subject, won't it be pretty easy to skate by without a Soviet Socialist Slave Number?

I have noticed that in government and college forms, there are numerous ways to get out of social security. Luckily I have only ever written it down once on a document myself, and I was 15 (I am 16, 17 on the 22nd) so I was a minor "incapable" of making those kind of judgments.

Also, I remember a document posted about resigning from Socialist Insecurity on this RPF some time ago, does anybody have a link?

Edit: NVM, I found the link:

http://sedm.org/Forms/AvoidingFranch/SSTrustIndenture.pdf

nate895
05-02-2009, 10:08 PM
I was told one time by an Amish vendor at a county fair that they are exempt

The Amish are exempt from everything, they are the freest people in America. What sucks is that I have noticed a slight intensity of coverage of the Amish in recent years and not all of it is positive. I even remember attempted government action against them in Wisconsin based on sanitation codes, but the locals got pissed. They are the last bulwarks of true freedom in America.

Njon
05-02-2009, 11:36 PM
This sounds interesting: http://www.livefreenow.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=60

Note: I cannot vouch for this; I haven't tried it or taken the course.

As far as federal law making something involving Social Security a crime (as this discusses), I cannot go along with that because the only legitimate things that count as federal crimes are stated in the Constitution, and Social Security isn't even Constitutional to begin with. Then-Vice President Jefferson spoke about this concept in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798.

But at least if this works, maybe it could be used to get your SNN off government computers and recoup costs for violations.

Peace&Freedom
05-04-2009, 11:44 AM
No one 'has' a SS number, they are all the property of the federal government, that are assigned to people. The one stop center for completely detaching oneself from SS and IRS nonsense is sedm.org---that site has all the forms and explanations needed to address restoring your sovereignty.

asimplegirl
05-04-2009, 11:48 AM
Is this site you provide completely legal? And, once you don't have a ssn, what happens? Can the gov not find you?

rbu
05-04-2009, 11:50 AM
No one 'has' a SS number, they are all the property of the federal government, that are assigned to people. The one stop center for completely detaching oneself from SS and IRS nonsense is sedm.org---that site has all the forms and explanations needed to address restoring your sovereignty.
Why would you send in forms? Simply STOP acknowledging it. No one can prove it is yours unless YOU say it is. It must come from your mouth.

brandon
05-04-2009, 11:51 AM
SS# is simply your bank account number at the federal reserve.

roho76
05-04-2009, 12:40 PM
during our trek around the country for the campaign we picked up a couple in michigan. both of them were in their 50's and had renounced their SSN's a long time ago, they did it based on principals of liberty and described horror stories to me about what they have gone through since because of it.

they both said if they could do it over again they wouldn't have gotten rid of them, because of the headaches it caused them.

Ill try to contact him and see what info he can give me about it.

I hung out with a couple from MI after the convention last year that had done the same. I wonder if they are the same people. He showed me his paperwork from his wallet about the whole ordeal. Said he has been walking along the side of the road and been pulled over by cops and the officer was absolutely confused by their status. They were the nicest people and I wanted to give them a ride back to Irish Hills area but I had to get home to my family.

Kraig
05-04-2009, 02:44 PM
during our trek around the country for the campaign we picked up a couple in michigan. both of them were in their 50's and had renounced their SSN's a long time ago, they did it based on principals of liberty and described horror stories to me about what they have gone through since because of it.

they both said if they could do it over again they wouldn't have gotten rid of them, because of the headaches it caused them.

Ill try to contact him and see what info he can give me about it.

No way in hell I will have kids and then proceed to let them be ID tagged with this bullshit, but then again all the hell they would have to go through because of it only makes me want to not even have kids. Sucks because in other ways I am really starting to want them. :(

Peace&Freedom
05-04-2009, 09:59 PM
Yes, free speech is still legal, and you might trouble yourself to look at their materials to judge for yourself. The government may still try to track you, but it is helpful for Americans to resist readily giving them the means of tracking and controlling your finances by providing that slave number on all your paperwork---stop being an unpaid government informant against yourself.

josh1anderson
05-05-2009, 06:24 PM
Here is the link that now answers the question......
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=188896

I hope this will help you, in finding out about you SS#