Ron's final four minutes - he nailed it!

[Bryan]

Nuff said.

[ctb619]

pure brilliance

[constituent]

i turned it off... is there a vid out there yet?

[jblosser]

One of these days someone is going to point out Duncan isn't the only one with military service.

[Lois]

amen !

[Mr. White]

He did fine. I'm saddened by the fools who booed the only Christian thing he said.

[derdy]

I'm astounded after his closing speech that anyone could boo him. What a bunch of morons. He hit it out of the ballpark.

[Mr. White]

oh hell here comes keyes.

[Tom29]

####ing Brillance.
Rongasm O Yes, Aaaaaah. Lol

An instant classic. :D

[Starks]

The only thing Keyes has going for him is his strong, booming voice...

[ClockwiseSpark]

Absolutely perfect! :D

[Ron Paul Fan]

He was great in his closing. The people who booed mostly disagree with him on the war. They must not be familiar with the just war theory.

[chiefsmurph]

I think Keyes could really duke me out on the basketball court.

[jblosser]

He's trying to pretend he's a southern baptist preacher and failing.

[Mr. White]

Keyes

I don't agree with what he says, but I'll defend to the death my right to mock it.

[1000-points-of-fright]

Is Keyes running for President of the USA or a Theocracy?

[BuddyRey]

Wow, is Huckabee the preacher, or is it Keyes????

[wgadget]

He sounds a little like Kermit the Frog, eh?

[bobmurph]

Keyes could not be a bigger jackass

[fletcher]

I just turned it on. Saw Ron's last 4 minutes. He was amazing.

[rajibo]

John Cox was nodding, "right on!"

[joenaab]

yes, nice finish. couldn't believe the boos. wonder if they were plants.

[themanhere]

Sure the crowd wasnt booing the bad things he was discussing? I hear ron paul supporters booing all the time while he is speaking. And im getting sick of it because people think hes being booed.

RON PAUL SUPPORTERS IN THE AUDIENCE QUIT EFFING BOOOING! WHILE RON PAUL IS TALKING

[dircha]

But I don't think receiving the biggest booing of the night counts as "nailing it".

Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination by alienating the Republican base.

[quickmike]

HAHAHAHAHA

the other candidates are shaking the hands of the questioners............. what does ron do in the meantime? ................................... signing autographs from the audience......................... ROCK STARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Texan4Life]

####ing Brillance.
Rongasm O Yes, Aaaaaah. Lol

An instant classic. :D

LMAO that needs to be added to urban dictionary.

RonGasm - the feeling felt after an hearing an exceptionally well speech by Dr. Ron Paul.

[max]

some of those idiots would boo Jesus himself if he showed up and came out against the war

[max]

HAHAHAHAHA

the other candidates are shaking the hands of the questioners............. what does ron do in the meantime? ................................... signing autographs from the audience......................... ROCK STARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was wondering where Ron disppeared to after the debate! I didnt see him signing autographs...it happens after every debate....awesome

[richard1984]

LMAO that needs to be added to urban dictionary.

RonGasm - the feeling felt after an hearing an exceptionally well speech by Dr. Ron Paul.

I support that definition.

[DJ RP]

He DID nail it! Anybody with any openness would have seen he was speaking truth and anybody so closed minded to boo can't be reached anyway.

John cox nodding in agreement was nice too. He was probably the second most sane person on stage.

[Vonhayek7]

some of those idiots would boo Jesus himself if he showed up and came out against the war

Absolutely.

[ButchHowdy]

some of those idiots would boo Jesus himself if he showed up and came out against the war

Unfortunately TRUE!

[jblosser]

some of those idiots would boo Jesus himself if he showed up and came out against the war

If history is any indication they'd do worse than boo him.

[Eli]

anyone got a vid?

[ForTheRepublic]

I really like Tancrado's final words cause I kept thinking of RP.

[angelatc]

John cox nodding in agreement was nice too. He was probably the second most sane person on stage.

Possibly in the entire room.

[Vaughn]

That was such a great speech! I was really moved. Its just really sad to see people who say they are Christians boo and chastise a man when he says peace, love respect, and compassion are the answers. I think you see comparison i am trying to draw...

[reduen]

This was by far Dr. Pauls worse performance in my opinion. (But then he has done very well until now..) :)

[max]

gotta love the way that RP voted against the audiences wishes on several occasiins during red light/green light.

If I had never even heard of RP...that would tell me that he was a guy I could trust because he doesnt pander..

He could have easily voted with the crowd on a few of those but didnt

[ItsTime]

Cox is running as RP vp isnt he?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

This was by far Dr. Pauls worse performance in my opinion. (But then he has done very well until now..) :)

troll?

[Ron Paul Fan]

Ron Paul was great as usual. I especially liked his closing remark and when he got angry about the other candidates being hypocritcal promoting American sovereignty while at the same time promoting the Iraq War unjustly enforced by UN resolutions. Best line of the night: "That's criminal!" -Ron Paul

[quickmike]

I was wondering where Ron disppeared to after the debate! I didnt see him signing autographs...it happens after every debate....awesome

yeah, I was saying to myself "where the hell did ron dissapear to?" then when the camera panned out, I saw him going down into the crowd to sign a bunch of autographs for a pretty big crowd of people in the front all with their hands out.

I should have known. I got a pretty good chuckle out of that bit.

[michaelwise]

In the lighting round, or whatever they called it, Ron was they only one not pandering. In fact, he was the only one who didn't pander at all. His closing statement sounded very presidential.

[crhoades]

Did you guys catch that. Said that we're heading to a totalitarian state. That beats using 'Empire'. Does anyone remember the quote?

[smhbbag]

Absolutely, and it's a welcome change, for me. "Empire" is not wrong, but this is much better.

And hey, do I know you? ;)

[atilla]

i think ron paul said several strong things in the closing which i hadn't heard him say in the campaign so far. maybe this has been brewing on the campaign trail and he finally busted out. or, i was also thinking maybe this debate, having to red light so many issues against the "expected" answer made him realize that time is getting short and he should take every opportunity to speak the truth undiluted, damn the political consequences.

if we see this kind of fire, (the closing speech) on the campaign trail down the stretch we could defiantly see some fireworks.

[DJ RP]

Also did you hear as the camera panned out right at the very end and there were cheers for the event people were all chanting "ron paul ron paul"

[brumans]

Youtube?

I missed it.

[dircha]

troll?

Reality isn't a troll.

Ron Paul is a candidate for the Republican nomination for president.

The purpose of attending this debate was to win over as much of the audience as possible to support him in this endeavor.

This debate was watched and listened to primarily by religious conservatives.

By choosing to present his stances divisively without understanding and adapting to his target audience by framing the issues in a winning message, Dr. Paul hurts himself more than helped.

Attentive religious conservative voters, who just like most voters are not politically savvy, will come away from tonight's debate under the impression that Ron Paul supports illegal pornographers, defends the so-called homosexual agenda, supports indecency on our televisions, turns a deaf ear to slavery and suffering around the world, and believes that our troops are dying in vain in Iraq in an immoral and un-Christian war.

Right or wrong, correct or incorrect, these are the impressions of Dr. Paul that politically unsophisticated religious conservative voters will take away from this debate, because rather than present a winning message, rather than avoid divisive issues, and rather than articulately frame his stances in a positive light, Dr. Paul presented a mixed and confusing message without a satisfactorily articulated explanation.

These are the stances that will alienate religious conservative voters in 2008. Alienating these voters is what threatened to lose Bush the presidency in 2004, and lost the Republicans control of Congress in 2006.

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE HEAR.

[Ron Paul Fan]

So Ron Paul should pander to these people and tell them what they want to hear or just not go at all? NO! He should remain consistent on his views and get his name out there. He did get 2nd in the debate among these people. I say that Dr. Paul should stick to his guns and not pander to voters! If he had answered yes with all the others on some of those devisive issues then he may have alienated some of us. So then what do you do? I think Ron Paul did just fine in this debate and I continue to support him 100%!

[MsDoodahs]

If Ron had pandered, I'd have stopped all support for the campaign.

That is not Ron. He is a man of integrity, not a lying sack of shit that will say whatever it takes to get votes from special interest groups.

[american.swan]

If Ron had pandered, I'd have stopped all support for the campaign.

That is not Ron. He is a man of integrity, not a lying sack of shit that will say whatever it takes to get votes from special interest groups.

Ron Paul from this debate on YouTube....I missed his responses. and I really want to see the last 4 minutes

[10thAmendmentMan]

Ron Paul from this debate on YouTube....I missed his responses. and I really want to see the last 4 minutes

Seconded. Someone post the YouTube URL once it's up (and I know it will be at some point).

[jb4ronpaul]

some of those idiots would boo Jesus himself if he showed up and came out against the war

that is so true. Remember who killed Jesus, it was the religious leaders who set him up because he was a threat to their power.

[dircha]

So Ron Paul should pander to these people and tell them what they want to hear or just not go at all? NO! He should remain consistent on his views and get his name out there. He did get 2nd in the debate among these people. I say that Dr. Paul should stick to his guns and not pander to voters! If he had answered yes with all the others on some of those devisive issues then he may have alienated some of us. So then what do you do? I think Ron Paul did just fine in this debate and I continue to support him 100%!

But there is a world of difference between saying what you believe to be untrue, and needlessly shooting yourself in the foot.

"Pandering" is not a dirty word. Pandering is what wins elections. It means understanding your audience, framing your issues in your favor, and presenting a winning message.

People on these forums cheer when Dr. Paul says things that needlessly offend and alienate the very voters he will need if he is to have any chance to win the nomination. Don't cheer for that. This isn't a national speaking tour. This is an election.

I get the impression that many of Ron Paul's supporters are more than happy to continue to financially support him just to conduct a national lecture circuit. Not me.

[Tuck]

damn I missed it, is it going to be on youtube soon?

[ctb619]

But there is a world of difference between saying what you believe to be untrue, and needlessly shooting yourself in the foot.

"Pandering" is not a dirty word. Pandering is what wins elections. It means understanding your audience, framing your issues in your favor, and presenting a winning message.

People on these forums cheer when Dr. Paul says things that needlessly offend and alienate the very voters he will need if he is to have any chance to win the nomination. Don't cheer for that. This isn't a national speaking tour. This is an election.

I get the impression that many of Ron Paul's supporters are more than happy to continue to financially support him just to conduct a national lecture circuit. Not me.

actually pandering in a political context is a dirty word

[MsDoodahs]

actually pandering in a political context is a dirty word

QFT.

:D

[RonPaulStreetTeam]

*waits for youtube video*

[Ron Paul Fan]

But there is a world of difference between saying what you believe to be untrue, and needlessly shooting yourself in the foot.

"Pandering" is not a dirty word. Pandering is what wins elections. It means understanding your audience, framing your issues in your favor, and presenting a winning message.

People on these forums cheer when Dr. Paul says things that needlessly offend and alienate the very voters he will need if he is to have any chance to win the nomination. Don't cheer for that. This isn't a national speaking tour. This is an election.

I get the impression that many of Ron Paul's supporters are more than happy to continue to financially support him just to conduct a national lecture circuit. Not me.

Ron Paul is not a typical politician and I think that is a big part of his appeal to many on this forum. I don't know how he could have framed issues better in his favor when part of the debate was a yes/no response! Was he suppose to vote yes on undermining our liberties or going into other countries unjustly? That's not what he believes in and no one here would expect him to do that and many would be upset at him for doing so. Dr. Paul did well at the Christian forum by bringing up the just war theory of Christianity and the Prince of Peace. People on this forum cheer not when he alienates voters, they cheer when he stands up for what he believes in! Vote Ron Paul if you want an honest man who promotes liberty!!!!!!!!!

[torchbearer]

Remember, those 40 Ron Paul backing christians are not going to stay silent among their peers.

[quickmike]

Reality isn't a troll.

Ron Paul is a candidate for the Republican nomination for president.

The purpose of attending this debate was to win over as much of the audience as possible to support him in this endeavor.

This debate was watched and listened to primarily by religious conservatives.

By choosing to present his stances divisively without understanding and adapting to his target audience by framing the issues in a winning message, Dr. Paul hurts himself more than helped.

Attentive religious conservative voters, who just like most voters are not politically savvy, will come away from tonight's debate under the impression that Ron Paul supports illegal pornographers, defends the so-called homosexual agenda, supports indecency on our televisions, turns a deaf ear to slavery and suffering around the world, and believes that our troops are dying in vain in Iraq in an immoral and un-Christian war.

Right or wrong, correct or incorrect, these are the impressions of Dr. Paul that politically unsophisticated religious conservative voters will take away from this debate, because rather than present a winning message, rather than avoid divisive issues, and rather than articulately frame his stances in a positive light, Dr. Paul presented a mixed and confusing message without a satisfactorily articulated explanation.

These are the stances that will alienate religious conservative voters in 2008. Alienating these voters is what threatened to lose Bush the presidency in 2004, and lost the Republicans control of Congress in 2006.

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE HEAR.



overblown spending and the Iraq war lost it for congress in 06, not the religious right turning on them.

[Triton]

I wish he had.

Don't get me wrong - I agreed with every word he said. I, howver, am not the one who needs convincing.

In the AFA debate, Dr. Paul was addressing a large audience which has forgotten one thing: the culture war should not be fought in Congress. He spent 4 minutes railing against the Federal Reserve, against the "war", and against the torture of people who killed 3,000 Americans. What he should have said is this: our truth needs no government to validate it. Our truth thrives through oppression, through hard economic times, and is seen as just even to those who do not believe. We have a government which does not reflect a Christian culture because we (Christians) have failed to win our culture on a personal level. He might have even quoted 2 Chronicles 7:14. When we use the government to change culture, we are using the very same tyranny which gave us Roe vs Wade and which gave Germany its gas chambers.

[slantedview]

He did fine. I'm saddened by the fools who booed the only Christian thing he said.

His Christian bit about how he believes Christ preaches PEACE, not war, got cheers.

[0zzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRi8tswSkB4

[goldenequity]

Audio Posted:

Ron Paul Voter Values Debate 091707 (18 min)

HERE (http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/index.html#new)

3 Hours to capture 18 minutes.....Ron must be wiped out.... I KNOW I am :o

He did great!

randy :)

[quickmike]

When we use the government to change culture, we are using the very same tyranny which gave us Roe vs Wade and which gave Germany its gas chambers.

Heres the problem.................


Their response - "well, the difference between us christians and Germany is that were right, and woud not use our powers in a hurtful way"

True, they might not, but the people they elect very possibly and most likely will. Thats what the extreme right just will not accept.


you cant win that argument with people that use their morality as their gauge of what government should do.

Ron did the only thing he could possibly do in this situation.......... tell the truth.

I commend him for that and would expect nothing less.

[jonahtrainer]

Heres the problem.................


Their response - "well, the difference between us christians and Germany is that were right, and woud not use our powers in a hurtful way"

True, they might not, but the people they elect very possibly and most likely will. Thats what the extreme right just will not accept.


you cant win that argument with people that use their morality as their gauge of what government should do.

Ron did the only thing he could possibly do in this situation.......... tell the truth.

I commend him for that and would expect nothing less.


I agree. The Germans have no one to blame but themselves.

"In these three decades I have been actuated solely by love and loyalty to my people in all my thoughts, acts, and life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions which have ever confronted mortal man. I have spent my time, my working strength, and my health in these three decades.

It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests." Last Political Testament (http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/poltest.htm)

[Matt]

I agree. The Germans have no one to blame but themselves.

"In these three decades I have been actuated solely by love and loyalty to my people in all my thoughts, acts, and life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions which have ever confronted mortal man. I have spent my time, my working strength, and my health in these three decades.

It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests." Last Political Testament (http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/poltest.htm)
WTF? Wrong forum, go back to stormfront. :rolleyes:

[Paulitician]

If Ron had pandered, I'd have stopped all support for the campaign.

That is not Ron. He is a man of integrity, not a lying sack of shit that will say whatever it takes to get votes from special interest groups.
Indeed, I was afraid that after I watched this debate, I would have had to stop supporting him. I now have absolutely no doubts about our man. He is a stone, stands his ground well.

[philipsantamaria]

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v133/104/14/18722588/n18722588_32456945_6257.jpg

Bam!!!! from L-R...My brother Peter, Ron Paul, and me.

I had to sit through 2 1/2 hours of Christian Right crap (no offense to any of you guys).

My brother and I snuck up to the front row of the debate and were screaming shit after other candidates were talking.

When Duncan Hunter was saying we couldn't leave Iraq without Victory, I screamed out, "HOW!? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT?!!! HOW?!?!"

Hunter fucking looked at me straight in the eye and gave me an I HATE YOU LOOK

Alan Keyes, the guy who ran against Obama and lost for Senator...he just announced, and in his final speech and actually the final speech of the debate...was saying that WITHOUT GOD, WE'D HAVE NO LIFE, NO HAPPINESS, NO LIBERTY...

I screamed out, first row mind you,

LIBERTY OR DEATH! LIBERTY OR DEATH!

All the people asking questions and like half the candidates looked at me. Ron was smiling. Keyes is a fucking douchebag.



After the debate, we met up with the rest of the Ron Paul supporters at a bar, and Ron stopped by...Met him again, told him what Gandhi said. I put my hand on his shoulder and said, "Dr. ..First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." He said, "If we keep it up we'll do very well! We've raised almost $400,000 in the past few days in the tour to San Fran, Salt Lake City, and Seattle."

Guy is the sweetest guy ever... But he's inspiring as all hell.

[ronpaulitician]

My brother and I snuck up to the front row of the debate and were screaming shit after other candidates were talking.

When Duncan Hunter was saying we couldn't leave Iraq without Victory, I screamed out, "HOW!? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT?!!! HOW?!?!"

Hunter fucking looked at me straight in the eye and gave me an I HATE YOU LOOK
Nice job, but don't do that to John Kerry ;)

[Bryan]

My brother and I snuck up to the front row of the debate and were screaming shit after other candidates were talking.

When Duncan Hunter was saying we couldn't leave Iraq without Victory, I screamed out, "HOW!? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT?!!! HOW?!?!"

I totally heard that clear as day. Hunter did stall for sure...

Nice picture...

[austinphish]

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v133/104/14/18722588/n18722588_32456945_6257.jpg


My brother and I snuck up to the front row of the debate and were screaming shit after other candidates were talking.

When Duncan Hunter was saying we couldn't leave Iraq without Victory, I screamed out, "HOW!? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT?!!! HOW?!?!"

Hunter fucking looked at me straight in the eye and gave me an I HATE YOU LOOK

.

Total LOL. that is my humor highlight of the day. thanks, I freaking love this campaign!

[beermotor]

some of those idiots would boo Jesus himself if he showed up and came out against the war

I think that's in the Bible, too.

Unfortunately for them.

[beermotor]

I get the impression that many of Ron Paul's supporters are more than happy to continue to financially support him just to conduct a national lecture circuit. Not me.


Shit, count me in that pile. If you're so narrowly focused on just one dumb election, you really are missing the point. In a big, big way. This is about reaching critical mass, and then ALL ELECTIONS will be won, everywhere. That's the goal. As a campaign we are far more ambitious than just one stupid guy for one stupid office.

Ron Paul is doing a fantastic job and I have yet to see him "shoot himself in the foot" as you claim. People have been saying that after EVERY SINGLE DEBATE performance and guess what? The Freedom Train keeps rolling along, doesn't it?

[BarryDonegan]

he dominated this event. he is with them on what they consider "core issues" aka abortion, nonviolence, compassion, he is obviously an honest man with the sortof family values lifestyle to which people in that subculture would aspire.

if you think the average christian conservative is HEAVILY OPPOSED to pornography on a legal, federal level, or heavily opposed to the legality of vice, that has no real place in the message of christianity. Christianity preaches against lifestyles centered around that, as much as they preach against lifestyles centered around money, but you wont see churches swearing off its usage.

the war is going to be a conflict for any christian more than pornography is. especially when you're presented with the fact that your presence there may be unjustified.

i think they would consider these things fringe issues when you compare them to the clear, documented honesty and ethics that ron paul portrays. he is also more similar to Jesus in the way he deals with the lack of popularity of his philosophies early on and his commitment to them in the face of adversity.

people know when they're being pandered to ;), and even though they like it for a minute or two, it shows naked the persons character. obviously huckabees pandering shows he is at least talking the talk, thus the better performance, but a REALLY good performance at values voters alienates you from every other american citizen, where as an ABOVE AVERAGE showing there, still shows you sticking to your guns and saying, hey, im down w jesus, and the peace and all that, but your not gonna get me to persecute homosexuals and all that

[literatim]

The four-minute end speech was adrenaline pumping.

[JS4Pat]

How on earth does a room full of "Christians" boo a message of Peace and Diplomacy and cheer War and Death?

Jeesh - People claim that the Republican Party has lost its way - What about Christianity?

[noxagol]

HOLY SHIT! Christian's booing the principle of the CHRISTIAN Just War theory?!?!?!?! Cheering war, death, torture, and censorship?!?!?! I knew there was a reason I hate and despise Christian fundamentalists.

[nexalacer]

How on earth does a room full of "Christians" boo a message of Peace and Diplomacy and cheer War and Death?


Jeesh - People claim that the Republican Party has lost its way - What aout Christianity?

Well, since Christianity lost its way when the Emperor of Rome decided what would be in the bible in the 4th century, I can't say I'm surprised. Remember he did this in order to pacify the pacifists who were increasing, bringing a threat to state power! Also remember, he himself did not become a Christian, until supposedly, he was on his death bed. Nice bedtime story for the 4th century children who could hear about their wise emperor being saved by being given the last rites... right?

Remember, this is the social club that brought you not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, 5, 6,7 or 8, but, yes, that's right, 9!!! Crusades! The invasions of another peoples' homes that was intent on murdering women and children and bringing home the loot! All because the worshiped the SAME GOD in a different manner!

And the same social club brought you, that's right, THE SPANISH INQUISITION! Alright! Go Christianity!

But then you say, those are those EVIL Catholics! I wouldn't want to leave out our Protestant friends! That's right, the folks that brought you the slaughter of the Native American "Savages" as well as the burning at the stake of their own women in the Witch hunts of the 13th -17th century!

People that are surprised by the immorality of modern-day Christianity astound me... it's like its a new trend... hah!

[peruvianRP]

I watched...was his best 4 minutes so far. I just don't understand why some idiots booing...I just can't understand.

[smtwngrl]

Christian's booing the principle of the CHRISTIAN Just War theory?!?!?!?!

It's not about being Christian or not, it's about a lack of knowledge. I'm sure that a lot of Christians have no idea about what the Just War theory of Christianity is. Maybe RP should have given some quotes about that.

One other candidate, after Ron said that, said when he spoke, that there was just and unjust war. This left those there, if they didn't already know about the "Just War theory of Christianity", wondering who to believe, and where this theory came from (i.e. where is it in the scriptures?).

These people are just like the general population in the sense of having been spoonfed by the MSM, and being taught that what our government is doing is necessary for our survival. They are wrong, and so are non-Christians who support the war.

[tekkierich]

Well, since Christianity lost its way when the Emperor of Rome decided what would be in the bible in the 4th century, I can't say I'm surprised. Remember he did this in order to pacify the pacifists who were increasing, bringing a threat to state power! Also remember, he himself did not become a Christian, until supposedly, he was on his death bed. Nice bedtime story for the 4th century children who could hear about their wise emperor being saved by being given the last rites... right?

Remember, this is the social club that brought you not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, 5, 6,7 or 8, but, yes, that's right, 9!!! Crusades! The invasions of another peoples' homes that was intent on murdering women and children and bringing home the loot! All because the worshiped the SAME GOD in a different manner!

And the same social club brought you, that's right, THE SPANISH INQUISITION! Alright! Go Christianity!

But then you say, those are those EVIL Catholics! I wouldn't want to leave out our Protestant friends! That's right, the folks that brought you the slaughter of the Native American "Savages" as well as the burning at the stake of their own women in the Witch hunts of the 13th -17th century!

People that are surprised by the immorality of modern-day Christianity astound me... it's like its a new trend... hah!



Thank you for pointing out the injustices that any institution that has been around for 100's and 1000's of years will have in their history.

I am a Christian and I am contemplating switching to Catholicism. This however has nothing to do with my politics, save to frame the way I think what I think.

Go Ron Paul!

[Bryan]

Aside from his great comments on the problems with our society the part that I thought he nailed was he gave them a bitter dose of what they needed to hear, that freedom and liberty trumps religious virtue. This isn't necessarily something that one wants to hear and it won't get you the pander vote but words like this have a better chance of making a lasting change by drilling in what is needed that no one else is saying.

[kickzman]

He did fine. I'm saddened by the fools who booed the only Christian thing he said.

Those fools are kidding themselves if they think their Christian...Whatever happened to kind and compassion?? I am sure Jesus wud puke if he saw them lol.

[RP4ME]

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v133/104/14/18722588/n18722588_32456945_6257.jpg

Bam!!!! from L-R...My brother Peter, Ron Paul, and me.

I had to sit through 2 1/2 hours of Christian Right crap (no offense to any of you guys).

My brother and I snuck up to the front row of the debate and were screaming shit after other candidates were talking.

When Duncan Hunter was saying we couldn't leave Iraq without Victory, I screamed out, "HOW!? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT?!!! HOW?!?!"

Hunter fucking looked at me straight in the eye and gave me an I HATE YOU LOOK

Alan Keyes, the guy who ran against Obama and lost for Senator...he just announced, and in his final speech and actually the final speech of the debate...was saying that WITHOUT GOD, WE'D HAVE NO LIFE, NO HAPPINESS, NO LIBERTY...

I screamed out, first row mind you,

LIBERTY OR DEATH! LIBERTY OR DEATH!

All the people asking questions and like half the candidates looked at me. Ron was smiling. Keyes is a fucking douchebag.



After the debate, we met up with the rest of the Ron Paul supporters at a bar, and Ron stopped by...Met him again, told him what Gandhi said. I put my hand on his shoulder and said, "Dr. ..First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." He said, "If we keep it up we'll do very well! We've raised almost $400,000 in the past few days in the tour to San Fran, Salt Lake City, and Seattle."

Guy is the sweetest guy ever... But he's inspiring as all hell.


You ROCK! Loved that you screamed at he debate at Hunter!!!!! and no offense taken as a Christain - some are well intentioned but politically deceived......

[Pedro TT]

I was there and I have to say it was great meeting him in person after the debate. He nailed it and blew every other candidate out of the water. Oh yeah and his Grandaughter is SMOKIN' hot!

[RP4ME]

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How on earth does a room full of "Christians" boo a message of Peace and Diplomacy and cheer War and Death?

Jeesh - People claim that the Republican Party has lost its way - What about Christianity?


Yes they have but not b/c they arent all truly belivers9although some are not) they have just gone temp. insane .....God knows this.
Because Rove et al has made them belive terrorism is a war againsty christainity with serious involvemnet with Christain leaders who woudl speak weekly with teh Pres......and b/c they are sick of the "politically correct" types and takeing it on the chin from all the liberal homosexula groups etc...saying we nee dto make anti-gay speech HATE speech - it all feeds in to that bucket - I awakened form that but its tough b/c they have politized Christianity so that Christaisn feel if they are anti-war they are now anti-christain and anti-israel - it was a brilliant plan.

You can talk them out of it b/c when teh facts are shown they realize they were given emotional arguments liek the Huckter is now famous for....

[Omnis]

I watched...was his best 4 minutes so far. I just don't understand why some idiots booing...I just can't understand.

I was sitting near this lady who kept booing Ron Paul about the war. She shut up real good when Ron Paul mentioned the Just War theory. I hope Thomas Aquinas poked her with his quill or something.

I think a lot of the neo-con ValuesVoter behavior is giving a lot of bad rep to Christianity. I'm Catholic, though I don't go to church often. My grandma's sister was a nun. I see all of these events like the crusades and the "fight against islam" as real insults to the religion. Christianity as I know it is very similar to the libertarian philosophy of not forcing things on others. Christian values should spread much in the same way liberty does. A lot of the questions made things seem like some kind of battle. I hate when Christ's greatest gift of love and peace is twisted into force, hate, and struggle. It's disgusting that, when JC used his life setting everyone free, so many have been imprisoned by men twisting his legacy.


Oh, by the way, who was the guy who yelled, "TOO LATE!" when Huckabee started talking about preventing a plutocracy? I started laughing so hard; it was timed perfectly. Excellent job, whoever that was.

[Bryan]

I was sitting near this lady who kept booing Ron Paul about the war. She shut up real good when Ron Paul mentioned the Just War theory. I hope Thomas Aquinas poked her with his quill or something.

I think a lot of the neo-con ValuesVoter behavior is giving a lot of bad rep to Christianity. I'm Catholic, though I don't go to church often. My grandma's sister was a nun. I see all of these events like the crusades and the "fight against islam" as real insults to the religion. Christianity as I know it is very similar to the libertarian philosophy of not forcing things on others. Christian values should spread much in the same way liberty does. A lot of the questions made things seem like some kind of battle. I hate when Christ's greatest gift of love and peace is twisted into force, hate, and struggle. It's disgusting that, when JC used his life setting everyone free, so many have been imprisoned by men twisting his legacy.
Great that so many of you were there to represent us! :)


Oh, by the way, who was the guy who yelled, "TOO LATE!" when Huckabee started talking about preventing a plutocracy? I started laughing so hard; it was timed perfectly. Excellent job, whoever that was.
That I didn't hear but it was thinking something along those lines myself: You mean we're not in one already?