Isn't it creepy that Fox News and Glenn Beck are stalking this message board?

[socialize_me]

Anyone else creeped out by this?? It's like EVERYTHING discussed here is regurgitated by Glenn Beck. I mean, I'm not one that shouts "OMFG PLAGIARISM", but this is without a doubt the most blatant form of it...

FEMA camps, Austrian economics, the Constitution (what news network actually talks about that?? seriously..), the Federal Reserve, Civil Liberties, Socialism, the NWO, they even had Alex Jones on the Freedom Watch show last week.

It's not even enjoyable to watch. I'm starting to get bored by it...at least here we have substantive discussion. On the news, it's apparent Glenn Beck only knows enough to give a two minute monologue on it. Every damn show it's like "THE GOV'T SUCKS, SOCIALISM, AHHHHH!!!"

Anyone else entertained by the fact that Fox News is coming to us for material??

[ItsTime]

It happens when a group of people can no longer be ignored AND ARE RIGHT.

Welcome to the mainstream.

[heavenlyboy34]

It happens when a group of people can no longer be ignored AND ARE RIGHT.

Welcome to the mainstream.

:eek: ZOMG! I think I just threw up a little. :eek: Thanx. :)

[Kludge]

Not just Fox. Other cable news outlets have flashed RPFs on their screens on a couple occasions.

MSM is interested in Ron Paul and his cult.

[FrankRep]

Our voice is being heard. Sounds good to me.

[Deborah K]

Damned if ya do......damned if ya don't! geeeeeez!

[ItsTime]

:eek: ZOMG! I think I just threw up a little. :eek: Thanx. :)

Becoming mainstream is painful for some people. I use to see it all the time when I was booking underground music acts and then they became mainstream and on the radio and things like that and you get a part of their fans saying how they sold out blah blah blah. But the whole point was to get mainstream and make money.

You see the same thing from Ron Paul supporters they get mad because others are starting to agree with us.

[amonasro]

Ratings ratings ratings. The GOP is looking for leadership and obviously see us as the most well-organized subgroup within the Party. The economy has proven our predictions correct, so they are testing the waters to see how viable our viewpoints are with the general public. We are truly starting to make a difference :)

[MRoCkEd]

Glenn just mentioned the retraction of the MIAC report a minute ago

[socialize_me]

I just don't get it though. I see a lot of guests on Glenn Beck and Freedom Watch that are regular pundits on other programs. They talk about the Constitution, liberty, etc. on Glenn Beck/Freedom Watch but you NEVER hear them talk about it on ANY other network.

This isn't because our ideas are becoming mainstream---it's because Murdoch sees money. It wasn't even a year ago Fox News was a cess pool of Neocons, but now suddenly they give a shit about the Constitution?? I don't think America has changed all that much over the past year in terms of our principles. Americans are still ignorant when it comes to most of this stuff, not knowing that Neoconservativism and the Constitution are not compatible...Americans are pissed not because we're bailing out Wall Street but because we aren't bailing Americans out!!

Look around--the signs say "Where's my bailout?" Isn't that the WRONG message to be asking??? NOBODY SHOULD GET BAILOUTS!! Americans are pro-bailout, but only if it helps THEM. That's not Austrian Economics--that's just selfish socialism where the proletariat are whining bitches.

There's no Glenn Beck's views are mainstream when he's the #1 Fox News anchor in terms of viewers, yet Obama's approval rating is 70%. The people tuning into Glenn BEck are, unfortunately, the ones associated with this movement. We are very powerful in our minority and very dedicated...we are very active and it's only because of us that Glenn Beck even got a contract with Fox News because we YouTubed him on Headline News.

[Bern]

It's about time IMO.

[Deborah K]

I think we can all agree that the sleeping majority watch MSM. If we can get the message out via the MSM, I couldn't really give a rat's ass what the motive is behind it i.e. ratings, money, fame.

Don't forget, Nap has been on Fox for years. His influence may be what sparked the change.

[Cowlesy]

I think we can all agree that the sleeping majority watch MSM. If we can get the message out via the MSM, I couldn't really give a rat's ass what the motive is behind it i.e. ratings, money, fame.

Don't forget, Nap has been on Fox for years. His influence may be what sparked the change.

^This.

[Uriel999]

freedom is popular. popular=money

[Uriel999]

oh shit...money=root of all evil, freedom=evil!? eek! Damn, damn damn, we've been wrong all along.

[dannno]

Don't drag Napolitano into this, he's always been on our side.

[brandon]

television is dead to me. I have no use for it.

[dannno]

television is dead to me. I have no use for it.

My cable box is in my car right now, I'm taking it back to my cable company on the way home. It hasn't worked for 2 months but nobody in my house has had the urge to fix it, so I'm going to cancel service and try and get a refund.

[Conza88]

It's threads like this, that give the real critics a bad name.

What you will now see from the Media (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088)

[Zuras]

Anyone else creeped out by this?? It's like EVERYTHING discussed here is regurgitated by Glenn Beck. I mean, I'm not one that shouts "OMFG PLAGIARISM", but this is without a doubt the most blatant form of it...




It's threads like this, that give the real critics a bad name.

What you will now see from the Media (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088)

Good god some of you people are so full of yourselves.

Tomorrow the sun is coming up because:
God is reading these forums and he is going to steal my idea.
I can predict the future.

There is a big internet outside of this forum, and an even bigger world outside of your basement.

[mediahasyou]

Hello Glenn Beck.

[Josh_LA]

not creepy at all, watch what you say.

[Conza88]

Good god some of you people are so full of yourselves.

Tomorrow the sun is coming up because:
God is reading these forums and he is going to steal my idea.
I can predict the future.

There is a big internet outside of this forum, and an even bigger world outside of your basement.

No, see get fcked.

I never said Beck was reading these forums or any bullshit like that.

HENCE: "It's threads like this, that give the real critics a bad name."

Now, you can read my thread I linked too: THAT PREDICTED it all, and was correct... or you can remain in your little boy in the bubble, fearing reality until it's too late.

Yes there is a world out there. And I'm fighting to save it. You're sitting on your ass as far as I can see. Prove me wrong.

[LibertyEagle]

Anyone else creeped out by this?? It's like EVERYTHING discussed here is regurgitated by Glenn Beck. I mean, I'm not one that shouts "OMFG PLAGIARISM", but this is without a doubt the most blatant form of it...

FEMA camps, Austrian economics, the Constitution (what news network actually talks about that?? seriously..), the Federal Reserve, Civil Liberties, Socialism, the NWO, they even had Alex Jones on the Freedom Watch show last week.

It's not even enjoyable to watch. I'm starting to get bored by it...at least here we have substantive discussion. On the news, it's apparent Glenn Beck only knows enough to give a two minute monologue on it. Every damn show it's like "THE GOV'T SUCKS, SOCIALISM, AHHHHH!!!"

Anyone else entertained by the fact that Fox News is coming to us for material??

Actually, I think it's FABULOUS.

[Zuras]

No, see get fcked.

I never said Beck was reading these forums or any bullshit like that.

HENCE: "It's threads like this, that give the real critics a bad name."
.

Ya, rightist media pundits like Hannity providing covering fire for a republican president while a firing squad for the democrat president, and then vice versa for leftist media pundits like Olberman is really incredible prediction powers you have there.

It's almost as much on a limb as I am predicting the sun will come up tomorrow, almost.

[Reason]

It happens when a group of people can no longer be ignored AND ARE RIGHT.


Agreed,

and also all the more reason to establish a higher standard for authenticity and credibility for our boards imo.

[akihabro]

We need to make a fake story and get outraged about it. They will surely not do their homework and pick up on it.

[Kludge]

We need to make a fake story and get outraged about it. They will surely not do their homework and pick up on it.

http://paxarcana.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/boston_massacre1.jpg

[socialize_me]

No, see get fcked.

I never said Beck was reading these forums or any bullshit like that.

HENCE: "It's threads like this, that give the real critics a bad name."

Now, you can read my thread I linked too: THAT PREDICTED it all, and was correct... or you can remain in your little boy in the bubble, fearing reality until it's too late.

Yes there is a world out there. And I'm fighting to save it. You're sitting on your ass as far as I can see. Prove me wrong.

Actually Conza's analysis of Fox News is wrong. Fox News isn't a right-wing only station, and they aren't going to start bitching because CNN/MSNBC/etc. are liberal cess pools. For someone who rejects the whole right-left paradigm, your analysis is blanketed with that entire concept.

No, you obviously don't know Rupert Murdoch. Hell, I don't either, but I do listen to those that speak out after knowing him personally, and it's quite obvious now given how Sean Hannity, etc. are all concerned about the Constitution and fiscal discipline. Neither of those are part of Neoconservatism, as Conza thinks the basis of Fox News is. To the contrary, Mr. Murdoch follows the money. Wherever money is to be made, Murdoch will go. Murdoch saw the dedication of Ron Paul supporters during the primaries and how they were attracted to Beck. What happened? He signed Beck to a HUGE $10 million/year deal.

All of a sudden, all of the Fox News cast members are talking about the Constitution and fiscal responsibility. Now I can understand Conza's analysis about how they flip-flopped on fiscal matters, but the Constitution is quite a turn. They're talking about it now BECAUSE it's profitable--not because they're Neocons.

Either way, they are watching this forum--no doubt about it. Why the hell is Beck all over this Missouri blacklist and talking about FEMA camps? Where the HELL else do you hear about that stuff other than here and/or infowars.com?? So they're either reading these forums or visiting Alex Jones...therefore I'm right. Otherwise they wouldn't be covering this stuff, but they are BECAUSE they see we're interested in it. Because we're interested in it here, they play it on there. It's not because they hate CNN, it's because they make money.

Conza's analysis is too much about right-left bickering when all that matters isn't red vs. blue, but rather it's all about the green.

[socialize_me]

No, see get fcked.

I never said Beck was reading these forums or any bullshit like that.

HENCE: "It's threads like this, that give the real critics a bad name."

Now, you can read my thread I linked too: THAT PREDICTED it all, and was correct... or you can remain in your little boy in the bubble, fearing reality until it's too late.

Yes there is a world out there. And I'm fighting to save it. You're sitting on your ass as far as I can see. Prove me wrong.

You predicted it??? LOL? Like who the hell couldn't see this coming?

You also posted this on January 27th, 2009. You "predicted" it well after the confetti fell on the Obama love fest. That's like saying I picked oil to go to record levels when it was already at $130/barrel. Now you're appointing yourself as an "expert" because oil went to $147?? Congrats, dude. You are truly amazing.

</sarcasm>

[raiha]

it's because Murdoch sees money
Yup!
Are you on a boat Cowlesy?

[satchelmcqueen]

ive noticed that they do have to be reading here, which is good IMO. i can only hope they read enough to fully understand what we have been saying for so long.

the only things that get me are when beck slips up and says something that is 180deg of what he was just talking about earlier. today show he did this again by saying that he searched for just 1 republican that will tell it like it is and tell washington how things need to be...or something close to that....then he said he couldnt find even 1. ummm.....how about ron paul?

at least they are reading is my main point. maybe it will convince some of them on his staff or glenn we are the real deal. use the idea that he/staff reads this forum and post things for him to cover. see what happens.

[AuH20]

We need to make a fake story and get outraged about it. They will surely not do their homework and pick up on it.

heres a clue. RP fans, associated with the 912 project, are bringing these stories to his attention.

[Golding]

Above all else, FOXNews is a business. They are unashamedly biased towards the GOP, because the rest of TV news is unashamedly biased towards the Democrats and Murdoch saw a market that 40%+ would become more comfortable watching. I think Ron Paul's candidacy, and the loud criticism they received for trying to push him off the stage, showed that they have been missing out on a portion of Republicans (libertarian-leaning, paleoconservative, or however they wound up trying to label Ron Paul's supporters).

The reason Beck is all of a sudden trumpeting Ron Paul's message is because it's the role he is assigned to fill. There's good and bad to it. Since he's just playing a role, Beck is inevitably going to be a little bit off-key. But I think there's a lot more good in the fact that the ideals that Ron Paul promoted during his campaign are finally getting regular exposure in the mainstream. I have no problems playing along, because the more success Beck has in voicing the views expressed in this forum, the more the message will permeate along other news shows looking to get the attention of an audience. Until they maybe one day bastardize the message, I think it's worth embracing that someone (even the likes of FOXNews) in the mainstream is promoting these ideas.

[FrankRep]

Last Year: Waaah, The mainstream media is ignoring us.


This Year: Waaah, The mainstream media is copying us and using our ideas.

[parke]

Becoming mainstream is painful for some people. I use to see it all the time when I was booking underground music acts and then they became mainstream and on the radio and things like that and you get a part of their fans saying how they sold out blah blah blah. But the whole point was to get mainstream and make money.

You see the same thing from Ron Paul supporters they get mad because others are starting to agree with us.

Amen there. I put together shows for years and heard the same complaints. The only thing I worry about is the manipulation of our ideas. Dont think for a moment the MSM will twist it around to say 'We were here first.'

[tonesforjonesbones]

Who the hell are you? this is a small forum these days. What makes AN:YONE think that Glenn Beck is taking cues from this forum???? GOOD GRIEF...I'm sure he's sitting around night after night spyin on THIS forum <EYERO:LL> TOnes

[specsaregood]

Either way, they are watching this forum--no doubt about it. Why the hell is Beck all over this Missouri blacklist and talking about FEMA camps? Where the HELL else do you hear about that stuff other than here and/or infowars.com?? So they're either reading these forums or visiting Alex Jones...therefore I'm right.

Uhm....
Google Search for "fema camp": about 63,100 . (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22fema+camp%22)

Google Search for "MIAC Report": about 24,600. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22MIAC+report%22)

No, couldn't possibly be hearing about that stuff anywhere besides RPF or Infowars....:rolleyes: I heard about the supposed "fema camps" well before ronpaulforums existed.

[Conza88]

Ya, rightist media pundits like Hannity providing covering fire for a republican president while a firing squad for the democrat president, and then vice versa for leftist media pundits like Olberman is really incredible prediction powers you have there.

It's almost as much on a limb as I am predicting the sun will come up tomorrow, almost.

Nope, fail.

You're missing the whole point of the thread. God you are thick.

It's not about them attacking Obama, it's about them associating themselves with US, Libertarians, the REAL revolutionaries. Trying to corrupt and blend the differences between Libertarians and Neo-Conservatives...

Was directed at Beck...

Did you think, that Sean Hannity would call himself a Libertarian? And Defend Ron Paul?

Did you think Rush Limbaugh would say, "I love Ron Paul"

Did you think Ann Coulter would vocalize Support for Ron Paul?

I did. It's not amazing if you know the method's and the enemies modus operandi.

Tools like you have no idea what is going on though...

Figures. :rolleyes:

[Conza88]

Actually Conza's analysis of Fox News is wrong. Fox News isn't a right-wing only station, and they aren't going to start bitching because CNN/MSNBC/etc. are liberal cess pools. For someone who rejects the whole right-left paradigm, your analysis is blanketed with that entire concept.

No, it's describing the concept - you imbecile.

It's describing their methods, of how to keep everyone within the false paradigm.


No, you obviously don't know Rupert Murdoch. Hell, I don't either, but I do listen to those that speak out after knowing him personally, and it's quite obvious now given how Sean Hannity, etc. are all concerned about the Constitution and fiscal discipline. Neither of those are part of Neoconservatism, as Conza thinks the basis of Fox News is. To the contrary, Mr. Murdoch follows the money. Wherever money is to be made, Murdoch will go. Murdoch saw the dedication of Ron Paul supporters during the primaries and how they were attracted to Beck. What happened? He signed Beck to a HUGE $10 million/year deal.

LMFAO. You think that there wasn't money to be made back in the primaries? Are you fcken idiotic? We had 10x times the people on the forums, and everywhere.... we were potentially viral in every regard.

THEY TRIED TO SILENCE US. SHOOT US DOWN. CENSORSHIP. BLACK WALLED US. BLACK OUT. WHO DOES WHEN THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY? They killed the biggest marketing opportunity to present itself this side of the millennium.

The Ron Paul story is made for a movie. The Honest Politician.

You, are, fcken delusional. WITH A FLICK OF THE SWITCH, with NOTHING changing besides the letter (R) to (D), it was like there was suddenly OMG BAILOUTS have just been happening, forget Bush and all republicans voting for first, OMG NO WAR ON TERROR, CHANGE n stuff... :rolleyes: So far from reality.


All of a sudden, all of the Fox News cast members are talking about the Constitution and fiscal responsibility. Now I can understand Conza's analysis about how they flip-flopped on fiscal matters, but the Constitution is quite a turn. They're talking about it now BECAUSE it's profitable--not because they're Neocons.

No. They are the anti-status quo channel now. What happened to the left for the last 8 years is happening to us.

For ALL the SHOUTING from the LEFT, did it change ANYTHING?

Newspapers = profitable? Are you retarded? :eek:


Either way, they are watching this forum--no doubt about it. Why the hell is Beck all over this Missouri blacklist and talking about FEMA camps? Where the HELL else do you hear about that stuff other than here and/or infowars.com?? So they're either reading these forums or visiting Alex Jones...therefore I'm right. Otherwise they wouldn't be covering this stuff, but they are BECAUSE they see we're interested in it. Because we're interested in it here, they play it on there. It's not because they hate CNN, it's because they make money.

Because it's being discussed on the interwebs, AJ, here, and most other places... also because they're prepping us?

Money has nothing to do with it. You're a fcken fool. :)


Conza's analysis is too much about right-left bickering when all that matters isn't red vs. blue, but rather it's all about the green.

Did you even read the entire thread? Of course not. Because you'd see how retarded that statement just was. :rolleyes:

[Conza88]

You predicted it??? LOL? Like who the hell couldn't see this coming?

You also posted this on January 27th, 2009. You "predicted" it well after the confetti fell on the Obama love fest. That's like saying I picked oil to go to record levels when it was already at $130/barrel. Now you're appointing yourself as an "expert" because oil went to $147?? Congrats, dude. You are truly amazing.

</sarcasm>


Nope, FAIL.

You're missing the whole point of the thread. God you are thick.

It's not about them attacking Obama, it's about them associating themselves with US, Libertarians, the REAL revolutionaries. Trying to corrupt and blend the differences between Libertarians and Neo-Conservatives...

Was directed at Beck...

Did you think, that Sean Hannity would call himself a Libertarian? And Defend Ron Paul?

Did you think Rush Limbaugh would say, "I love Ron Paul"

Did you think Ann Coulter would vocalize Support for Ron Paul?

I did. It's not amazing if you know the method's and the enemies modus operandi.

Tools like you have no idea what is going on though...

Figures. :rolleyes:

;)

[pikerz]

its important to spread the ideas around.

might not like GB that much, but hey, just getting people thinking about this stuff is a step forward.

[jrich4rpaul]

I don't get it. We're mad when the mainstream ignores us and the freedom message, and now that our views are actually being spoken about on the most watched news channel in the country and Americans are having the message of less government, no NWO, more Constitution fed to them every day, we're still mad?

I do not trust Fox News. But at least they have some decent commentary going on these days that makes America think.

[Johnnybags]

I don't get it. We're mad when the mainstream ignores us and the freedom message, and now that our views are actually being spoken about on the most watched news channel in the country and Americans are having the message of less government, no NWO, more Constitution fed to them every day, we're still mad?

I do not trust Fox News. But at least they have some decent commentary going on these days that makes America think.

Beck is actually De "Oreillytizing" the whitehairs. Pop is watching him, he is sure a revolt is coming, and he is 80? The boob tube is the opinion maker for that generation. I say let Beck blow the trumpet.

[Bern]

Beck is actually De "Oreillytizing" the whitehairs. Pop is watching him, he is sure a revolt is coming, and he is 80?

Pop knows that the surest way to provoke someone is to steal his wallet. There is still enough spirit left in this country to reject the yoke of oppression.

[Cowlesy]

http://paxarcana.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/boston_massacre1.jpg

Haha, nice one.

[Cowlesy]

Bottomline for me is that, on occasion, this board does hatch great ideas and with a predominantly nationwide membership (and our international friends), we can rapidly spread a message.

This site is but just one cog in the liberty machine, but to me it acts like the mortar-tube of liberty. If someone has a great idea or news that isn't getting out, you drop it in here and if its legit, the board can send it out far and wide.

At the same time, Fox like any other media outlet love to feed their own egos, and so the more you talk about them, the more they're going to want to see what is being said about themselves, for better or for worse.

[kathy88]

Ya, rightist media pundits like Hannity providing covering fire for a republican president while a firing squad for the democrat president, and then vice versa for leftist media pundits like Olberman is really incredible prediction powers you have there.

It's almost as much on a limb as I am predicting the sun will come up tomorrow, almost.

I thought you got banned.

[The_Orlonater]

Not just Fox. Other cable news outlets have flashed RPFs on their screens on a couple occasions.

MSM is interested in Ron Paul and his cult.

Cool, we're famous. :D

[tonesforjonesbones]

There is a large article by Ron Paul in Glenn Beck's FUSION magazine. tones

[tnvoter]

No it means we're the leaders and the think-tank that we knew we were.

[Auntie Republicrat]

:rolleyes:

...good grief!..Republicrat dummies STILL using these stinking, worthless, political dichotomies such as "lberal vs. conservative," "Democrat vs. Republican," "right vs. left" etc. STINKING culch..

..A little hint for brain-laundered Republicrats and other assorted teevee-addled dunces:..

..THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO TRULY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE AMONGST ANY STINKING REPUBLICRATS WITH A MSM MICROPHONE..

...NONE OF THESE REPUBLICRAT JERKWADS WILL HONESTLY ADDRESS, AMONG MANY OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS:...1.) "OUR" STINKING, FRAUDULENT MONEY ISSUANCE SYSTEM...2.) US INC. LONG-STANDING, IMPERIALISTIC, WARMONGERING, etc. ACTIONS AROUND THE PLANET.. 3.) A FRAUDULENT ELECTION SYSTEM WHICH HAS WORKED TO FILL OUR HIGH PUBLIC OFFICES WITH STINKING DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN PHONIES, KNOW-LITTLES, PUPPETS etceterot ad nauseam..

...only a goddamned fool Republicrat would look to these scumbags for wisdom, value, etc......that goes for beck, napolitano, etc. supposedly :rolleyes: 'liberty-minded' creeps galore too!!...

...ooga booga, Republicrats...ooga freaking booga!.. (my apologies to ron paul ALONE)

[Cowlesy]

Conza man, you can debate ideas but go easy on the personal insults.

Thanks.

[american.swan]

What you will now see from the Media (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088)

Fox is the channel of misinformed GOP voters. What I find odd is how libertarian Beck is sounding? This does not tell me that Fox is in favor of Ron Paul winning 2012 election. What it tells me is libertarianism is more popular among GOP voters, enough to make Murdock get some Beck type character to act to some degree libertarian.

I firmly believe the GOP candidate for President in 2011 will sound quit a bit like Ron Paul, except for some serious errors in foreign policy. I believe the misinformed GOP voter still believes Iraq and such were good ideas.

[tonesforjonesbones]

where is the ron paul movie? I want to see it! tones

[Rael]

Does anyone have any proof that they are, in fact, reading this forum? All the stories they have been talking about, they could have found the information from plenty of other sources. I think it's a bit arrogant to assume that they are sitting around all day reading our posts.

[dr. hfn]

hopefully beck gets an account here and learns something from us

[Chosen]

The OP is obviously distractionary and intentionally misleading.

This forum has been polluted with anarchists and far left zealots couching their true intentions behind "libertarianism." Most of these extremists look to what they see as the permissiveness as opportunity.

I take the title of this thread as pure cowardice and purely authoritarian. The OP only speaks for an extreme component of far off zealots who have hijacked Ron Paul's message. The same types of folks who supported Ron Paul only to cause disruption in the Republican party then went on to vote for Obama. For many of these wackos Ron Paul forums is nothing more than a stop over from the Democratic Underground.

[Jace]

...

[Carole]

oh shit...money=root of all evil, freedom=evil!? eek! Damn, damn damn, we've been wrong all along.


I think that's: The love of money is the root of all evil. :D

[Carole]

If Beck's show is useful in getting parts of our message out, then I am all for it.

In the meantime, it is necessary to be watchful that our message is not twisted for nefarious causes. So far, Beck is doing okay for the most part.

It is merely up to us to be vigilant and promote ourselves as legitimate mainstream politics, not the aberrant neocon view or fringe sideshow view.

I believe people are listening to at least some of what Beck says on his show and are waking up to some extent. He certainly has some of the right people on his show.

He has a huge audience and did he not climbe quickly to the third most-watched in just a few weeks? We need his audience. :)

[PatrickKnight]

It's far from plagiarism, and it's essentially everything you could possibly ask for.

Even if it were plagiarism, if I were to write an essay on my ideas and it was copied word for word on national television without so much as a little credit given to me for it, I'd have a hard time bringing myself to sue simply because the word was spread.

The last thing you want is to be afraid of being mainstream. If anything embrace it. It hurts, yeah, but it's essentially everything you worked for.

[trey4sports]

It's far from plagiarism, and it's essentially everything you could possibly ask for.

Even if it were plagiarism, if I were to write an essay on my ideas and it was copied word for word on national television without so much as a little credit given to me for it, I'd have a hard time bringing myself to sue simply because the word was spread.

The last thing you want is to be afraid of being mainstream. If anything embrace it. It hurts, yeah, but it's essentially everything you worked for.


+1
nice introduction to the forum my friend.

[DirtMcGirt]

http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/JumpTheShark.jpg

The forums have officially jumped the shark.:D

[Josh_LA]

The OP is obviously distractionary and intentionally misleading.

This forum has been polluted with anarchists and far left zealots couching their true intentions behind "libertarianism." Most of these extremists look to what they see as the permissiveness as opportunity.

I take the title of this thread as pure cowardice and purely authoritarian. The OP only speaks for an extreme component of far off zealots who have hijacked Ron Paul's message. The same types of folks who supported Ron Paul only to cause disruption in the Republican party then went on to vote for Obama. For many of these wackos Ron Paul forums is nothing more than a stop over from the Democratic Underground.

opportunity indeed, you fear the consequences of freedom?

[Josh_LA]

Nope, fail.

You're missing the whole point of the thread. God you are thick.

It's not about them attacking Obama, it's about them associating themselves with US, Libertarians, the REAL revolutionaries. Trying to corrupt and blend the differences between Libertarians and Neo-Conservatives...


That's how capitalism works, brand and lie to make money and get support.




Was directed at Beck...

Did you think, that Sean Hannity would call himself a Libertarian? And Defend Ron Paul?

Did you think Rush Limbaugh would say, "I love Ron Paul"

Did you think Ann Coulter would vocalize Support for Ron Paul?

I did. It's not amazing if you know the method's and the enemies modus operandi.

You did? Sad.



Tools like you have no idea what is going on though...

Figures. :rolleyes:

You said you thought the above?? Yeah, you really know what's going on, keep your faith in humanity.

[Josh_LA]

If Beck's show is useful in getting parts of our message out, then I am all for it.


I agree, which is why I don't mind being called a racist or liberal or socialist, if something is right, it should be said and done.



In the meantime, it is necessary to be watchful that our message is not twisted for nefarious causes. So far, Beck is doing okay for the most part.


Yes, always know good intentions can be misused.



It is merely up to us to be vigilant and promote ourselves as legitimate mainstream politics, not the aberrant neocon view or fringe sideshow view.

I believe people are listening to at least some of what Beck says on his show and are waking up to some extent. He certainly has some of the right people on his show.

He has a huge audience and did he not climbe quickly to the third most-watched in just a few weeks? We need his audience. :)
no, his audience needs the message (I tried not to say "us"). His audience needs to start looking and asking.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Glenn Beck, if you are trolling this forum, I am righteously pissed off at you for trying to debunk the FEMA camps with that neo con shill from Popular Mechanics...you are endangering the American People by doing this. TONES

[CUnknown]

The Republican party is in complete disarray. They must mend the differences between their 3 major factions: 1) Neo-cons, 2) God people, 3) People like us.

They are trying to tempt us back into the Republican fold, don't fall for it. Unless they run a good candidate, we're obviously not going to vote for them just because Fox is becoming more sympathetic to own side. The fact is, that they would slam Ron Paul just as hard as during the primaries if he were close to winning the nomination in 2012. Don't be suckered by this. Fox is not on our side long-term.

[acptulsa]

Ya, rightist media pundits like Hannity providing covering fire for a republican president while a firing squad for the democrat president, and then vice versa for leftist media pundits like Olberman is really incredible prediction powers you have there.

How stupid does a person have to be not to be able to see that the neocons were out of ammunition, and that we are not? Are you seriously saying that the people on this forum deserve no credit for that?

[american.swan]

Murdoch is not running Fox just to make a buck. Television, radio, newspapers and movies are not entrepreneurial endeavors started up to make money. They require large amounts of capital to get started. They are started by people who already have a lot of money, or access to it.

Generally, the purpose of media operations is not to make money, but to INFLUENCE.

William Randolph Hearst was not an entrepreneur who got rich in the newspaper industry. He was the multimillionaire heir to a vast fortune who spent years burning through his mother's capital before he finally turned a profit -- and rose to a position of immense influence. He angered his competitors for upsetting their apple cart, and to this day he is smeared by people who run media for international banking interests, which he was independent of because his father discovered one of the largest silver lodes in the world.

Some of the biggest money making movies of all time are about Jesus Christ. But look at the heat Mel Gibson took for making a Passion of the Christ -- a massive money maker. If the movie-makers were all about money, we'd have a Jesus Christ blockbuster every summer, and a whole lot more big-budget movies with Christian themes. And more patriotic movies, too. Instead, we get money loser after money loser with decidedly anti-Christian and anti-American themes that alienate much of the public.

Holocaust movie after Holocaust movie. Nazis as villians. Are the Nazis and the Holocaust central to American history and American identity? How did these themes come to dominate our media?

Instead of the next John Wayne, we get Adam Sandler every summer. Oliver Stone gets access to hundreds of millions for his films. The strong American hero has been replaced by British or Australian males, or clowns. (Can't have another Ronald Reagan using his popularity brought by the Hollywood spotlight to rise to political power.)

Murdoch owes his rise to Jewish bankers aligned with the Likud party, who broke from the left. In America, Murdoch supports the neocons who infilitrated the Republican Party. Most of the rest of the media is aligned with leftists, or neo-liberals, who have monopolized the Democratic Party.

So our media choice is between Democrats aligned with Zionists (CNN and MSNBC), or kill-them-all Republicans aligned with Zionists (FOX).

Murdoch is of the kill-them-all variety.

Where Beck is going I don't know. But as long as he works for Murdoch, you can bet he will not bite the hand that feeds. Hannity has actually said this on the air -- that he doesn't understand populist anger at the rich because he is so grateful to rich people because he is well-compensated by a rich man.

Maybe Murdoch and his backers sense that Ron Paul has tapped into something, just as the America First Committee did in the 1930s. Murdoch did his best to blackball and discredit Ron Paul during the election just as Ron Paul was gaining traction. Beck was a part of this smear.

Maybe the strategy now is to bring us under the tent and expend our energy on the left, instead of turning it on people like Murdoch, who no doubt will cheerlead the next Middle East war when it comes.

It's Democrat versus Republican. We expend our energies fighting each other, instead of pursuing our mutual interests, which are not in the Middle East, and are counter to those of the international elite. Murdoch is one of the international elite.

I agree.

[american.swan]

The Republican party is in complete disarray. They must mend the differences between their 3 major factions: 1) Neo-cons, 2) God people, 3) People like us.

They are trying to tempt us back into the Republican fold, don't fall for it. Unless they run a good candidate, we're obviously not going to vote for them just because Fox is becoming more sympathetic to own side. The fact is, that they would slam Ron Paul just as hard as during the primaries if he were close to winning the nomination in 2012. Don't be suckered by this. Fox is not on our side long-term.

+1

I would fall flat on my face if Fox news endorsed Paul, of course my face won't ever reach the dirt, 'cause I have full faith that Fox isn't interested in Ron Paul 2012.

[Conza88]

That's how capitalism works, brand and lie to make money and get support.

The current system is not Capitalism, it is fascism. You fail remarkably.


You did? Sad.

Oh, you didn't? That's sad.


If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril.
Sun Tzu

All warfare is based on deception.
Sun Tzu

All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Sun Tzu

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
Sun Tzu



Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy.-Sun Tzu

Exposing it, is a start. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088)


You said you thought the above?? Yeah, you really know what's going on, keep your faith in humanity.

The Future is Calling (http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_63/2318000/2318082/2/print/2318082.pdf)...

Report from Iron Mountain. I'm just going from what they've said they would do. The only person testing my faith in humanity, is you.

[eOs]

Becoming mainstream is painful for some people. I use to see it all the time when I was booking underground music acts and then they became mainstream and on the radio and things like that and you get a part of their fans saying how they sold out blah blah blah. But the whole point was to get mainstream and make money.

You see the same thing from Ron Paul supporters they get mad because others are starting to agree with us.

I don't think people are turned off by the message becoming more popular, but rather the idea behind what becoming mainstream means. It's usually accompanied by a distortion of the message, and a lot of fake people not knowing what they're talking about.

[ChooseLiberty]

This is a long established technique of the "zionists".

They FIND A PARADE (Movement), RUN TO THE FRONT AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND THINK THEY'RE LEADING IT. Then they can steer The Movement for their benefit. Look back in recent movements in the US.

The general public has been trained to not criticize the "zionists" by constant beating with the "holocaust" bludgeon and people like Hagee who are paid shills of the "zionists" and so they will follow where they are lead like good little sheeple.

But you knew this of course. :D




Maybe Murdoch and his backers sense that Ron Paul has tapped into something, just as the America First Committee did in the 1930s. Murdoch did his best to blackball and discredit Ron Paul during the election just as Ron Paul was gaining traction. Beck was a part of this smear.

[brucefan]

Seems to me that Glenn Beck was one of the few to give Dr Paul airtime, I remember at least once, for a full hour !

Sounds like there are worse enemies then that

[Feenix566]

I'm really sorry I just wasted five minutes of my life reading this thread.

[Ozwest]

Our voice is being heard. Sounds good to me.

Exactly.

Why wouldn't you go to the source?

[socialize_me]

Free market capitalism :)

[socialize_me]

;)

Again Conza, Sean Hannity and Rush and [insert republican here] were moving towards "Libertarianism" back when Obama won the election. Your prediction was almost 3 months late...they started their whole liberty and free market movement back in November, your whole prediction was made in late January.

Who the hell couldn't see this? Should we pat you on the back for pointing out the obvious?? It was pretty clear Sean Hannity would be trying to defend the free market view when he denounced Obama as being a socialist.

Again, I'm still not impressed. Congratulations for pointing out that Fox News would be anti-Obama when every other news station was guaranteed to be pro-Obama. It's whatever sells tickets, and all that Murdoch cares about is doing that. If Fox News could make more money by attracting more views by promoting Obama and bowing to him, they would quickly be pro-Obama. Considering Glenn Beck's show is the highest rated news show on TV, what incentive would he have in supporting Obama? Why do you think Murdoch signed Beck back in 2008 to join Fox News? Because he knew Beck would appeal to Ron Paulians. I thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess it took people like yourself several weeks before you spoke out after you saw the writing on the wall...

You're not as clever as you think you are. You think being loud is self-justifying.

Meanwhile, how are your stock picks coming along?? Since you know everything about everything, you should be outperforming the top hedge funds that made triple-digit returns in a matter of a week. Oh that's right...your crystal ball only points out the obvious...it can predict things after they happen, but not before. Hindsight is 20/20 :cool:

[Jordan]

Free market capitalism :)

This.

[Deborah K]

Uhm....
Google Search for "fema camp": about 63,100 . (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22fema+camp%22)

Google Search for "MIAC Report": about 24,600. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22MIAC+report%22)

No, couldn't possibly be hearing about that stuff anywhere besides RPF or Infowars....:rolleyes: I heard about the supposed "fema camps" well before ronpaulforums existed.

Off this topic: FEMA camps are even talked about in the TV series 'Jericho'. I think everyone just wishes to ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room. :rolleyes:

[Kraig]

Off this topic: FEMA camps are even talked about in the TV series 'Jericho'. I think everyone just wishes to ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room. :rolleyes:

Too bad I am going to end up in one of those.

[apropos]

Some are concerned because the message is becoming more mainstream. But how can our stated goals be realized without popular acceptance? We ourselves are not in the positions the Founding Fathers occupied - they were in the key positions of power in 1776. They could get by with only 3% of the population on their side.

Wider acceptance and exposure is a great thing that we need more of, and it far outweighs any negative as of now. True, everyone has an agenda, but what we need right now is an opening to transmit the ideas.

[Deborah K]

Does anyone have any proof that they are, in fact, reading this forum? All the stories they have been talking about, they could have found the information from plenty of other sources. I think it's a bit arrogant to assume that they are sitting around all day reading our posts.

I've sent them links to this forum on numerous occasions. Anyone else?

[Deborah K]

Too bad I am going to end up in one of those.

Why??

[Kraig]

Why??

Oh I'm just being cynical and saying that not everyone is ignoring it. What can be done though?

[Deborah K]

Oh I'm just being cynical and saying that not everyone is ignoring it. What can be done though?

Expose the camps, once and for all. That oughta do it.

[akihabro]

Last Year: Waaah, The mainstream media is ignoring us.


This Year: Waaah, The mainstream media is copying us and using our ideas.

Next year Waah, We are the media and no one is listening to us.

[eOs]

Again Conza, Sean Hannity and Rush and [insert republican here] were moving towards "Libertarianism" back when Obama won the election. Your prediction was almost 3 months late...they started their whole liberty and free market movement back in November, your whole prediction was made in late January.

Who the hell couldn't see this? Should we pat you on the back for pointing out the obvious?? It was pretty clear Sean Hannity would be trying to defend the free market view when he denounced Obama as being a socialist.

Again, I'm still not impressed. Congratulations for pointing out that Fox News would be anti-Obama when every other news station was guaranteed to be pro-Obama. It's whatever sells tickets, and all that Murdoch cares about is doing that. If Fox News could make more money by attracting more views by promoting Obama and bowing to him, they would quickly be pro-Obama. Considering Glenn Beck's show is the highest rated news show on TV, what incentive would he have in supporting Obama? Why do you think Murdoch signed Beck back in 2008 to join Fox News? Because he knew Beck would appeal to Ron Paulians. I thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess it took people like yourself several weeks before you spoke out after you saw the writing on the wall...

You're not as clever as you think you are. You think being loud is self-justifying.

Meanwhile, how are your stock picks coming along?? Since you know everything about everything, you should be outperforming the top hedge funds that made triple-digit returns in a matter of a week. Oh that's right...your crystal ball only points out the obvious...it can predict things after they happen, but not before. Hindsight is 20/20 :cool:

I have to agree..Although Conza was the first to point it out in a decent way.

[Conza88]

Again Conza, Sean Hannity and Rush and [insert republican here] were moving towards "Libertarianism" back when Obama won the election. Your prediction was almost 3 months late...they started their whole liberty and free market movement back in November, your whole prediction was made in late January.

Nope. George Bush was in power, they defended the bailouts. "Something needs to be done" etc.

It's as soon as Obama got into office, it all "changed".

Your revisionist history fails.


Who the hell couldn't see this? Should we pat you on the back for pointing out the obvious?? It was pretty clear Sean Hannity would be trying to defend the free market view when he denounced Obama as being a socialist.

No, see that's all you can do = obfuscate what my point was. You are demented. And deliberately misconstruing my whole thesis of the thread; AGAIN. You've just re-iterated what you said the first time, then I refuted it - then you address NONE of it, and you then spew the same BS you started with.

Fail.



You're missing the whole point of the thread.

It's not about them attacking Obama, it's about them associating themselves with US, Libertarians, the REAL revolutionaries. Trying to corrupt and blend the differences between Libertarians and Neo-Conservatives...

Was directed at Beck...

Did you think, that Sean Hannity would call himself a Libertarian? And Defend Ron Paul?

Did you think Rush Limbaugh would say, "I love Ron Paul"

Did you think Ann Coulter would vocalize Support for Ron Paul?

I did. It's not amazing if you know the method's and the enemies modus operandi.

Tools like you have no idea what is going on though...

Figures. :rolleyes:

;)


Again, I'm still not impressed. Congratulations for pointing out that Fox News would be anti-Obama when every other news station was guaranteed to be pro-Obama. It's whatever sells tickets, and all that Murdoch cares about is doing that. If Fox News could make more money by attracting more views by promoting Obama and bowing to him, they would quickly be pro-Obama. Considering Glenn Beck's show is the highest rated news show on TV, what incentive would he have in supporting Obama? Why do you think Murdoch signed Beck back in 2008 to join Fox News? Because he knew Beck would appeal to Ron Paulians. I thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess it took people like yourself several weeks before you spoke out after you saw the writing on the wall...

You're not impressed, because you don't want to understand.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2044807&postcount=40

^ This whole post = you ignored it. I am merely re-pasting stuff here, and it fits pretty much verbatim. Keep trying, maybe you'll learn to think one day.




LMFAO! You think that there wasn't money to be made back in the primaries? Are you fcken idiotic? We had 10x times the people on the forums, and everywhere.... we were potentially viral in every regard.

THEY TRIED TO SILENCE US. SHOOT US DOWN. CENSORSHIP. BLACK WALLED US. MEDIA BLACK OUT. WHO DOES, WHEN THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY? They killed the biggest marketing opportunity to present itself this side of the millennium.

The Ron Paul story is made for a movie. The Honest Politician.

WITH A FLICK OF THE SWITCH, with NOTHING changing besides the letter (R) to (D), it was like there was suddenly OMG BAILOUTS have just been happening, forget Bush and all republicans voting for first, OMG NO WAR ON TERROR, CHANGE n stuff... :rolleyes: So far from reality.

Ron Paul - EXCLUDED from the Fox News debate just before the New Hampshire debate in the primaries. When it mattered MOST. When there was millions to be made from Ron Paul viewers and increased money from advertisers. :rolleyes:

Your thesis fails remarkably. :D


You're not as clever as you think you are. You think being loud is self-justifying.

No I think being right is.


Meanwhile, how are your stock picks coming along?? Since you know everything about everything, you should be outperforming the top hedge funds that made triple-digit returns in a matter of a week. Oh that's right...your crystal ball only points out the obvious...it can predict things after they happen, but not before. Hindsight is 20/20 :cool:

"If you're such a genius, why aren't you rich" fallacy

Obama's inauguration was on the 20th of January. I posted that on the 27th. I realised what they were doing at the start of the week. And yes I thought it was obvious, but then I started seeing "Glen Beck is one of us" posts and I got pissed off, no-one else was seeing it. So I wrote that thread to explain it.

And I'm not even in the United States. I'm 12,000 miles away.

How about them apples? :rolleyes:

[Conza88]

In particular; I will focus on Fox News.

Since the President has changed, the party has changed, the INTENDED perception has changed, so does the media's overt agenda for each channel.

For the last 8 years Fox News has blatantly been pro-war, pro-fascism, pro-bush, pro-whatever they were told to be.

In those 8 years, it became to be seen for what it was - a propaganda network. It WASN'T just limited to them, but they were the obvious douchebags, they were the ones defending the state, the wars, Bush, etc.

Now, over the same last few years, in particular, all the attacks of Bush etc.... have been coming from the likes of Keith Olberman, MSNBC, etc. all the "lefties".

During this time, they gained credibility etc. Denounced wars, whatever. They "told it like it is". No real obvious "propaganda". (Obviously MASSIVE AMOUNTS, I'm just taking this from a laymans perspective... the general sheeple, who are now following Obama like drones)

Anyway, now that Obama is President, the script is going to flip.

MSNBC, CNN, Hardball, Olberman etc. THEY will become the propaganda outlets. THEY will be the NEW FAUX NEWS!

They speak out against the regime, when their "side" is not in power. NOTHING ever gets done, its all chatter in the wind, it SEEMS like there is vocal opposition to the status quo, but it really means jack squat.

This is why Glenn Beck moved to Fox News. They are now the ANTI-STATUS QUO CHANNEL. See his show? He's calling government


Glenn Beck Seems to Understand
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo at January 27, 2009 07:58 AM

This morning on Faux News he said, "the government has become just like the mob." He was referring to how the Fed ORDERED several banks to take bailout money, and then ORDERED them to lend it. He also used the "S" word to describe Obama's "economic plan."

Funny how Faux News supported Bushian fascism with every ounce of its energy, but is now becoming a critic of a slightly different form of socialism.- http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/025007.html

This is, there ain't nothing funny about it. FISHY is more like it.

So expect to start questioning yourself when Fox News actually say[s] shit that makes sense, like Libertarian style stuff. (Won't be all the time, but more so than ever) Like actual Conservative, Glen Beck type of comments. All the trolls [will] start to appear ok. It is because they are the new anti-status quo channel, who won't do shit against the other tide of public opinion and media.

People go, Fox News attacking Obama? Yeah, no wonder they supported Iraq, Bush, Neocons etc. They'll instantly dismiss whatever it is, and kling to the MSNBC, CNN BULLSHIT that will be thrown at them.

It is all part of the false paradigm. It is all coerced. It doesn't "just" happen.

Then the trolls came out.. Now, can you get that into your thick skull, so I can at least stop quoting myself... :rolleyes:

[moostraks]

Then the trolls came out.. Now, can you get that into your thick skull, so I can at least stop quoting myself... :rolleyes:

Hey Conza, I haven't read through your thread yet, but so far I agree with what you are quoting/requoting here. Not sure if that helps you any :p but you are not alone in thinking this.^^^^^

[acptulsa]

Next year Waah, We are the media and no one is listening to us.

Already there.

[Josh_LA]

The current system is not Capitalism, it is fascism. You fail remarkably.


Calling it fascism doesn't make it so. not that I don't think capitalism and fascism has something in common.

Fascism is just government bought out in the name of capitalism, capitalism is just people looking out for their own interests.

[Josh_LA]

\


Oh, you didn't? That's sad.


Yes, I didn't, I'm not naive like you to think things would get better for the right reasons, nor would I expect people in power to give it up without either profit or threat.

Thanks for quoting Sun Tzu, further proof might makes right and game theory.

[Josh_LA]

You're not impressed, because you don't want to understand.



No, he's not impressed because your endless blabbering is not about facts or news, it's about you being right and you telling yourself you found something, when some of us knew it all along.

Boy it sucks being you always needing to validate yourself with others. When you can't have a good argument, throw up some nasty words like FASCISM, COLLECTIVISM, SOCIALISM and scream FAIL FAIL FAIL.

[axiomata]

Beck is actually just stalking me. It appears he is stalking these forums because I am here. At a whole nother forum, someone had mentioned that the auto bailouts was evidence of creeping socialism yesterday. I countered that it was more accurately creeping fascism and quoted Sheldon Richman's economics encyclopedia entry on fascism.

Today Beck's opening monologue said he was wrong about us being on a road to socialism/communism and it now appeared that we were on the road to fascism. And he brought Richman on as his first guess to discuss it.

So hyeah, he's stalking me. I'm that important.