*Values Voter* Debate *tonight* 7:30 EST Live on the following channels

[V4Vendetta]

*Values Voter* Debate *tonight* 7:30 EST Live on the following channels

Live on *Daystar* Christian Network
(Click on this link to find the channel in your area)
http://www.daystar.com/Daystar

Live Sky Angel Network
(Click on this link to find the channel in your area)
http://www.skyangel.com/Programming/Index.asp?Reference=VVdebate&~=

Streaming live Video here
(For those that don't have acces to the above TV channels)
http://www.afa.net/

http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/

[richard1984]

Also here: http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/

[V4Vendetta]

Also here: http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/

Thanks for letting me know.

[richard1984]

Thanks for letting me know.

Ain't no thang.

I found it out in one of the posts here (because I was just looking for the information you have on this thread): http://www.dailypaul.com/node/2153

Hopefully with this many sites streaming the debate we won't have an overload problem.
Don't wanna get my hopes up, though...we are the Ron Paul spammers after all.

[itsnobody]

Yeah so make sure to watch it...and someone youtube it

[Jared Callanan]

Thank you for those listings, much appreciated.

[uncloned21]

woot, thanks!

i had to sell my tv to pay income taxes....

[quickmike]

how much you guys wanna bet ronpaulforums.com crashes again tonight? LOL

[Cindy]

how much you guys wanna bet ronpaulforums.com crashes again tonight? LOL

lol

[ForTheRepublic]

If your on online junky you can watch it here: http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/livestream.cfm?host_id=f2a

[akalucas]

this will also be on cable on the TBN channel. you can find out what channel it will be on on your service provider by providing your zipcode here:

http://www.tbn.org/index.php/2/2.html

[akalucas]

sorry, looks like it will not be live on TBN but will be recorded and broadcast on another day. sorry about that.

[richard1984]

how much you guys wanna bet ronpaulforums.com crashes again tonight? LOL

I'm not a betting man, but as surely as the sun rises each morning and sets each evening.... :rolleyes:

[kaligula]

that will carry it? Anyone know...

[misconstrued]

I'm watching the live feed now...

http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/livestream.cfm?host_id=f2a

...such inspiring pre-debate programming :D

I have a feeling this server is going to be toast...

[torchbearer]

Live stream here also: http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/livestream.cfm?host_id=f2a

[JMann]

Even with Ron Paul participating I could not watch 5 minutes of 'values' voters.

[Joey Wahoo]

I emailed these proposed questions to them last week:

Please consider asking this question of Congressman Ron Paul:

"Congressman Paul, you are an OB-GYN who has delivered over 4000 babies and you are strongly prolife. Has your experience as a physician affected the strength of your prolife convictions?"

Please consider asking all the candidates:

"Are there any circumstances under which you would favor using federal tax dollars to pay for abortions?"

"Has there ever been a time in your political career when your position on the right to life differed from the one you now hold?"

Thanks for considering these questions.

[Michael Ingram]

which candidates are in this debate?

[american.swan]

My thread on this subject was *moved* to the Official News Forum. I guess this qualifies as official campaign goings on. If you feel inclined please visit http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=18489

Otherwise have a great day and may Ron Paul win the debate by a land slide.

[Trassin]

nm

[MsDoodahs]

that will carry it? Anyone know...

Direct TV channel 369

:)

[misconstrued]

The server may yet hold up. Looks like they use these guys for the streaming: http://www.multicastmedia.com/solutions/lib.php

[torchbearer]

its starting already!

[torchbearer]

ok, is the live stream showing a movie?

[Brasil Branco]

Starting? Where? All I see is some program about China.

[torchbearer]

http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/livestream.cfm?host_id=f2a

[Geronimo]

It really pisses me off that all of the CFR candidates declined the debate.

[disinter]

It is starting now...

[Noog]

http://www.afa.net/debate/

[disinter]

Anyone know if any of those channels are on DISH?

[american.swan]

Hope the forum hold up tonight....National Anthem might make me cry

[Jared Callanan]

Yeah and the auditorium looks half empty which is a nice estimate. wtf?

[Brasil Branco]

As a kid, I always wondered why we kept singing to some Mexican guy called Hose.

Talk about EMPTY!

[chiefsmurph]

thanks

[american.swan]

venue doesn't seem full

[Noog]

lol it does look kind of empty. Maybe they'll come at 7:30?

[american.swan]

As a kid, I always wondered why we kept singing to some Mexican guy called Hose.

Talk about EMPTY!

It is SO empty. WOW!!

[Joey Wahoo]

Is this thing really scheduled to go 3 hours?

[Spike Kojima]

My atheism hurts, but I'll suffer on.

[Noog]

How long is this debate supposed to be?

[misconstrued]

It is SO empty. WOW!!

I hope Ron Paul supporters are there to spam the seats ;)

[Trassin]

Anyone know of a place that is streaming it online with a little bigger picture than the tiny one at Values Voter?

[Brasil Branco]

Anyone know of a place that is streaming it online with a little bigger picture than the tiny one at Values Voter?

Change your screen resolution to the smallest possible.

[american.swan]

Is this thing really scheduled to go 3 hours?

This might be Ron Paul's best debate, but if it's not on any network...only the Youtube crowd is going to see it.

Pause in Programming...resuming in a few minutes.

[american.swan]

Change your screen resolution to the smallest possible.

That is a smart idea. I should have thought of that.

[paulpwns]

is this on direct tv?

[Bobby Johnson]

I think it is supposed to be 3 hours long.

[OURPLAN]

Help! I can't figure out what channel it's on.
I'm in Nashville. 37206.

[Jon S]

is anyone else just getting music and a still screen for now?

[quickmike]

What are you guys freaking out about? Its not even started yet. LOL

[quickmike]

is anyone else just getting music and a still screen for now?

yeah, still screen and gay elevator music. same here

[Trassin]

Change your screen resolution to the smallest possible.
That makes it a little better.


I hope this is very family values oriented so Rudy gets owned.

[Brasil Branco]

yeah, still screen and gay elevator music. same here

I like the music.

[Noog]

They were doing some pre-show ceremonies a little earlier. God Bless America and all the stuff..

[american.swan]

That makes it a little better.


I hope this is very family values oriented so Rudy gets owned.

Rudy isn't there.

[quickmike]

I like the music.

yeah, figures I would offend someone LOL

never fails.

[4Horsemen]

I think I just saw God. :D

[Brasil Branco]

yeah, figures I would offend someone LOL

never fails.

It's zesty!

[Magsec]

Who's John Cox and why is he in the debate? Is he going to kamikaze a candidate or something (since he's been absent in all other debates)? Might as well throw Tommy Thompson in there.

[quickmike]

It's zesty!

HAHAHAHA!!! zesty!!

[american.swan]

not empty now!!

[quickmike]

ok its starting..............everyone shut up:D

[0zzy]

"Delegates are more important" pshh.

[disinter]

Lot of people there now....

[Noog]

God bless the delegates? This is going to be a long night...

[4Horsemen]

God bless the brainwashed..

[Reiyuki]

so, anyone wanting to do the ronpaulforums.com slashdotting countdown?

[akalucas]

11 podiums. i thought there was going to be less people

[Jon S]

everythings quiet. this is bizarre kinda... minimal sound.

[Spike Kojima]

Why is there a million podiums?

[CurtisLow]

Is this being played online by anyone else? I got this little screen to watch...

[Noog]

Well, at least he dressed up.

[Jon S]

remember when this forum crashes... www.ronpaulforum.com without the s

[csen]

Is Farah the guy who has it out for Ron Paul?

[Alabama Supporter]

Dish network channel 262

[4Horsemen]

Lets pray for a safe debate, God protect us from the evil terrorist.

[LibertyBelle]

I thought you would be able to listen to audio. Any audio available without having to download something?

[paulpwns]

any way to increase the video size?

it's so small

[quickmike]

Why is there a million podiums?

Whats Huckabees pet monkey supposed to do? Just stand there and not feel important??

[Qiu]

looks like ron paul is actually near the middle podium

[angelatc]

Anyone know if any of those channels are on DISH?

Sky Angels is available with Dish but you have to have a second dish. :(

[0zzy]

I dont think everyone resigned... they just dont like democrats.

[Green Mountain Boy]

Ahhh...the extra podiums are for the candidates who didn't show, lol.

[quickmike]

ahhh ..............empty ones symbolize the no shows................very clever.

[Noog]

I need a cutout of the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 guys for my monitor.

[Givemelibertyor.....]

Did Farah just say they all said no to another debate?

[Jon S]

haha they put empty podiums for the guys who declined

[njandrewg]

Ron Paul is in the middle

[Qiu]

Who's John Cox?

[Brasil Branco]

That is one big stage.

[Spike Kojima]

I hope paul doesn't get booed to much.

[Jared Callanan]

Damn.. I Say God Damn... That Joseph Farrah Is Some Witty Man Putting Empty Podiums Up There And A Man Named Cox.

[pguitarb]

studmeister Ron Paul....

[quickmike]

ron got most God applause!!!!!


sweeeeet

[Jon S]

ron has the most screams!!!!

[disinter]

Ron Paul got HUGE applause!!

[Mr. White]

he just got the biggest cheer

[Michael Ingram]

RP got the most applause

[misconstrued]

Crowd went nuts for Ron Paul! :)

[Noog]

Nice applause!

[njandrewg]

Ron Paul got loudest so far

[Green Mountain Boy]

Ron Paul with the biggest applause obviously

[Noog]

Ew.. Alan got a good applause too.

[misconstrued]

Crowd went nuts for Ron Paul! :)

And for Alan Keyes :(

[Michael Ingram]

I love how they have empty podiums

[Alabama Supporter]

this is going to be lame.

[njandrewg]

choir? WTF

[enter`name`here]

keys got a comparable applause too..

[pguitarb]

this is the most awkward thing ive ever seen lol

[american.swan]

I have a feeling this is more like a church service. ahha

[Jon S]

hopefully the big applause will prevent them from pickin on dr paul

[chiefsmurph]

Keyes...a little over the top?

[Phil M]

Ughh.... Come on Ron, don't get nervous.

[Spike Kojima]

this is the most awkward thing ive ever seen lol

Agreed

[Magsec]

lol @ RP stopping at the bell. That's character right there.

[Thor]

Did anyone else notice the forum went out AGAIN.... Every time a debate happens, this forum goes out.

Did you see the Keyes opening statement? He seemed like he was on a pulpit. Oh boy.

[dmitchell]

Too bad Ron didn't finish his sentence - that was a little weird.

[chiefsmurph]

Wow, could Brownback play the audience a little more?

Alright, I'm done with the questions.

[ItsTime]

Ughh.... Come on Ron, don't get nervous.

hes excited, there is a difference

[abstrusezincate]

I'm actually glad this isn't on cable. Some of these questions are going to be slightly right-of-center, I expect.

The pandering is palpable.

[Alabama Supporter]

this is awkward for sure. seems kind of dated and weird.

[disinter]

Keyes is a nutcase.... good lord.

[ItsTime]

I'm actually glad this isn't on cable. Some of these questions are going to be slightly right-of-center, I expect.

The pandering is palpable.

you mean like keyes saying we are all going to die if we dont follow god?

[recess]

this is scary as shit

[derdy]

Too bad Ron didn't finish his sentence - that was a little weird.

PWNED by the bell.

He should of least finished his sentence.

[Trassin]

Did Dr. Paul's opening seem a little weak to anyone else?

[Marshall]

This is gonna be painful to watch... and John Cox?

[Spike Kojima]

Whos this Jerk ?

[derdy]

you mean like keyes saying we are all going to die if we dont follow god?

and the way he said it was compleltely fake :rolleyes:

[misconstrued]

RPF crashing already? ugh :)

I made an html file to view the debate in higher resolution 640x480 size. Anyone want it? :)

[njandrewg]

Keyes is a nut job

[disinter]

I really didn't realize how creepy all these guys were until now (except RP, of course)... what an enlightening debate.

[Killaspike]

Alan ruined it for everyone me thinks, his pandering kinda cought everyone off guard.

[american.swan]

Ron Paul seems to be the only person so far to say anything with substance.

[Brasil Branco]

Did Dr. Paul's opening seem a little weak to anyone else?

I thought it was weak. Debates are sadly, a time for sound bites.

[Spike Kojima]

Sigh

[0zzy]

Ron Paul should've Christian-mixed his message :).

[ItsTime]

we need a chat room

[chiefsmurph]

Yea, a couple too many stutters. But, he'll make up for it.

[disinter]

Did Dr. Paul's opening seem a little weak to anyone else?

He forgot to tailor it to the audience...

[0zzy]

It was weak.

[Severius]

we need a chat room

Yeah, that would be good.

[sunny]

i can't stand any of them except you know who....

[Brasil Branco]

Oh god, Huckabee might as well be kissing a baby as well with that opening.

[Killaspike]

Hukabee will win this one, hes a pastor, right at home

[georgia_tech_swagger]

Alan Keyes? Are you effing kidding me?


If I were Ron, I'd hang a GIANT sign on my podium saying:

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE


... but only if I had ample security around ... this whole debate creeps me the eff out.

[derdy]

$10 bucks says Huckabee tries to sell the War on Terror as the new Crusade.

[Jared Callanan]

chat room.. true.. ronpaulradio?

[lbrtylvr]

omg were so humble before mighty jesus.

[Killaspike]

This debate is kinda creepy, rons views will clash here.

[winston84]

Check it out, they got the token AIPAC rep on the panel

[Starks]

RPF crashing already? ugh :)

I made an html file to view the debate in higher resolution 640x480 size. Anyone want it? :)

yes.

[Noog]

Oh, boy. Grilling him on the first quesiton.

[PaleoConservative]

it's the best format of the debate for sure. I've been saying this myself for a long time. Why not just ask a question and give everyone a chance to answer it.

Am I the only one who likes the debate format?

[njandrewg]

I think I see why the top guys aren't here...because questions here will kill you in the general election

[Starks]

Wow... Look at these weighted questions.

[0zzy]

yes.

second.

[njandrewg]

yeah this debate format is better...can you imagine Rudy with a 1 minute limit?

[sunny]

not necessarily

[Starks]

it's the best format of the debate for sure. I've been saying this myself for a long time. Why not just ask a question and give everyone a chance to answer it.

Am I the only one who likes the debate format?

Choirs and prayer? Not my piece of Jewish cake.

[misconstrued]

Watch the debate in high-resoluion here:
http://www.50ls.com/values-voter-debate/

Digg it up here:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Watch_Ron_Paul_in_the_Value_Voters_Debate_in_Hi_Re solution_NOW

[georgia_tech_swagger]

Rephrase of question:

Do you support bigotry and hatred of homosexuals?


Jeez ... talk about the religious FAR right.

[dmitchell]

Huckabee wants to amend the constitution to define marriage between one man and one woman.

[The Good Doctor]

Huckabee is full of himself since the last debate with the "moment" between him and Ron Paul.

[CurtisLow]

where do you vote at?

Thanks misconstrued ! lots better

[Starks]

yeah this debate format is better...can you imagine Rudy with a 1 minute limit?

"9/11 told me that gay marriage is wrong"

[Jon S]

haha this is baaad for ron

[ctb619]

Huckabee wants to amend the constitution to define marriage between one man and one woman.

of course

[disinter]

where do you vote at?

At the debate.

[Noog]

ronpaulradio.com has a decent showing in their chat room...

[Killaspike]

Hukabee isn't a bad guy, just pro war

[The Good Doctor]

One Kooky Judge! LOL.

[tsopranos]

70 ppl in here now...

chat.freenode.net

#ronpaul

[Phil M]

"...one kooky judge..."

That's the pot calling the kettle black.

[Spike Kojima]

Lol "homosexual mariage forced on us"

[Jon S]

how does making homosexual marriage legal force it upon us? does it force us to become homosexual? tancredo is an ass

[Richie]

Eww. It's John Cox.

[winston_blade]

Tancredo just told me that I will have to marry a man! I have to support him now so I don't have to marry some dude.

[pguitarb]

tancredo....force homosexual marriage on all of us???? wtf

[disinter]

Why is this Cox clown even running?

[propanes]

Thank you!


Watch the debate in high-resoluion here:
http://www.50ls.com/values-voter-debate/

[0zzy]

1 child in China = leads to destruction in china? does he not understand economics?

btw I'm worried how they will respond to his states-rights responses.

[derdy]

Protect the children, being gay is a choice!

[Spike Kojima]

Tancredo just told me that I will have to marry a man! I have to support him now so I don't have to marry some dude.

Butt Secks = cool

[njandrewg]

did they just skip Ron Paul on the marriage question?

[pguitarb]

dang I have a feeling ron's answer is going to be prettttty off color

[Dustancostine]

I'm glad as president John Cox will travel everywhere to fight homosexuality. Its not like we have anything else better to do. Economy's great, and the world is safe.

[PaleoConservative]

"Do you support bigotry and hatred of homosexuals?"

No, I support the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded on. Why are you so bigoted against our Western values?

[Jon S]

they're not goin across in a line

[winston84]

Ron Paul real-time chat http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=ronpaul

[quickmike]

If I was up there, I would definitely poop my pants.

[richard1984]

I'm scared RP won't give a satisfactory answer to these people. They want laws.

[0zzy]

Damn Good Job Ron!

[njandrewg]

Ron is doing good on this question

[MGreen]

Oh God, the gays are coming for us!!

When will the Christian right fight back against this persecution? It's about time they got their way.

[Michael Ingram]

Sam Brownback, Straight-Allstar!!!

[cujothekitten]

Omg Best Answer Ever!

[winston_blade]

That was a great line by Ron Paul.

[Jon S]

man best answer so far.

[braeden0613]

that was a good answer

[brandon]

someone laughed in a mic while he was speaking, but it was a good kind of laugh, like haha you made a good point, not haha you are fucking crazy

[Dustancostine]

Great answer, Marriage is a church issue not a federal issue.

[ItsTime]

did much better with the question than i thought he would!

[Starks]

Duncan agrees? What a shock!

[derdy]

Ron Paul threw down on that answer!:D

[The Good Doctor]

Got to admit Farrah is totally pro Dr. Paul. His chuckle about looking up "marriage" in the dictionary, his "you can finish the sentence" This could bode well for us. :D

[leipo]

Great reply from Ron on the marriage issue!

[Richie]

Ron Paul got a decent response.

[sunny]

what a good answer dr. paul!!!

[Karsten]

He's getting the loudest appluase already :)

[richard1984]

I'm sorry. I think RP answered perfectly! (even if not satisfactorily to some of the people in there)

[0zzy]

Rofl @ Hunter!

[paulaholic]

Cool... It's Dunky Hunter story hour!

[Chester Copperpot]

Ron Paul getting applauds on the first question.. good job ronnie!

[Korey Kaczynski]

I'm scared RP won't give a satisfactory answer to these people. They want laws.

He's been in politics for a while. He knows what he's doing.

[dmitchell]

Nice answer by Ron Paul.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Presidents have nothing to say, legally, about Constitutional Amendments. Congress can propose them and the states pass them or the States can initiate them.

[Jon S]

some of these guys just keep getting quieter and quieter

[quickmike]

wtf is hunter talking about? LOL

[Thurston Howell III]

It's church people, they want to control you even more than government.

[Phil M]

Apparently Duncan Hunter thinks forcing your values onto others is perfectly all right.

[Sematary]

I just heard his response to the constitutional amendment on marriage question and his answer (different than the other losers) explains WHY I support this man!

[derdy]

:rolleyes: Daddy told me I could float and I could because he's married!

[paulaholic]

Keyes looks like an owl.

[disinter]

Ambassador Alan Keyes? What the hell is this fruit loop an ambassador of?

[RP08]

People are stupid.

Keep your friggin' laws away from my beliefs, my reproduction, and my committment to my wife!

f'ing big gov't neo-cons

[ctb619]

wow...Alan Keyes just put Romney on blast

[chiefsmurph]

yea, i was worried that "give the power to the states" wouldn't go over well.

[Jon S]

keyes is an angry guy

[Starks]

God, Keyes is preaching again.

[Dustancostine]

Great Job by Keyes attacking Romney. Maybe he is good for something.

[The Good Doctor]

Keyes is wayyyyy to militant.

[Richie]

Keys is a decent speaker. Too bad he said the same thing as everybody else

[tsopranos]

74 ppl now...

chat.freenode.net

#ronpaul

[njandrewg]

Keyes is a nut...jesus christ Jesse Jackson in the house

[Sematary]

Alan Keyes is a loser

[Karsten]

Alan Keyes what a bunch of bullcrap.

[misconstrued]

Alan Keyes attacks Mitt Romney? Wow :)

[Severius]

Tancredo: "Were on kooky judge away from having homosexual marriage forced on all of us"

Umm, the governments going to make us all go gay? The thing that really bugs me about the gay marriage debate is that most Christians say that marriage is a church thing so it can only be between a man and a woman. But then they turn around and say we need to federally mandate this "church issue" through a Constitutional amendment. You can't have it both ways, it's either a church deal, or government deal. If it is a church issue then you can say it's only between a man and woman. But if it's a government issue the government cannot discriminate between heterosexual or homosexual people.

Edit: Keyes' response was just ridiculous.

[honkywill]

keyes is a snappy black woman in disguise.

[constituent]

hahah.... keyes...

atleast he's attacking the mitt-witt.

[Trassin]

Watch the debate in high-resoluion here:
http://www.50ls.com/values-voter-debate/

Digg it up here:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Watch_Ron_Paul_in_the_Value_Voters_Debate_in_Hi_Re solution_NOW

Awesome, thx.

[Chester Copperpot]

Ambassador Alan Keyes? What the hell is this fruit loop an ambassador of?

Reagan appointed him as some assistant to something.... I DUNNO


Once he was agaisnt the IRS it seems he lost his seat to Obama

[sunny]

i cannot stand alan keyes - the neocon nerd!

[richard1984]

He's been in politics for a while. He knows what he's doing.

I know he does, but you know how these evangelicals are.... They want laws. Amendments. Total control! :rolleyes:

[Starks]

WTF!?!?! They bring in a fetus?

[literatim]

I think that Alan Keyes is crazy.

[Thor]

abortion question

[bcmiller]

haha... great answer on the marriage amendment.

"We do not need another amendment to define marriage." "We do not need an amendment, tell them to look it up in a dictionary"...

gotta love Ron Paul... He does not have to placate to any interest group. When you have only 1 story, the truth, you do not need to "reshape" your statement.

However Alan Keyes is also always singing the same tune, although I don't like that song as much.

No chance Romney, Guiliani, McCain or Thompson would show up in this debate.