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jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 08:01 AM
Now that we are seeing a voice of liberty coming alive in the U.K. I think it might be time for an international liberty caucus.

We have all had globalism pushed down out throats and I believe it is time that we counter with a bit of globalism of our own. Let us organize with our brothers and sisters in liberty from across the globe so that these bastards can see just how many of us there truly are.

Now I am just a pitch man and have no idea how to organize something this massive but I know that a couple of you already think this is a grand idea and that some of you here have experience with building amazing websites, putting together awesome videos and organizing large scale events so between all of us, we can do this!

In my mind, this would have to start with a basic declaration on the basic rights and freedoms of man which would then be agreed to by people around the world who would pledge support. We could see growth by perhaps using the meet-up method where we have a world map with a pin going up for each person around the globe who pledges to support true freedom showing the exact location of freedom movements. When the map is full we hold an international money bomb to send liberty delegations from across the globe to meet in a central area to discuss true liberty, pledge to resist a one world government and organize a plan of action. I would further propose that this caucus be held at the same time and in the same city as a future meeting of the Bilberbergs ( or other related group) and that WE lovers of freedom and sovereignty totally take over that city to both support our voices of liberty and to protest those who want to control us.

So that is it.... brainstorm, put down, support... whatever you have to add than please add it because we are NEVER going to achieve liberty until we, the people, get off of our asses and show the world that we are many, we are strong and we are NOT going to sit silently while they take everything away from us.

MODS: I had no idea where to place this so I took my best guess... Feel free to move at your discretion

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 08:09 AM
Absolutely love this idea! We need:

1. A name, domaine name, website designer
2. I draft Clay Trainor to make the videos
3. We need a mission statement
4. We need a list of our goals
5. We need to accumulate a list of foreign liberty-based orgs./ websites
6. We need translation technology


I, for one, want to see the end of the United Nations. I think one of our goals should be to get each country involved in this project to promote the end of the UN.

We should also move to promote sound money for all nations.

And maybe we should organize an event.


Having said all of this, it's quite possible that an already existing liberty organization might want to take this on....

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 08:13 AM
I have been working on the Australian version of CFL for the past year. I'm working on it with a few other anti-war, Austrian-School libertarians here in Australia. It's so far been a $20,000 project and is still not yet finished.

We only have a splash page up to get email updates at the moment http://la.org.au

I proposed some sort of global sychronicity/co-operation a while ago.

I bought the URL http://www.libertyuniversal.com and was planning some sort of co-ordination proposal myself.

The appeal is that we can combine our numbers on the internet and be more effective on specific important projects in each country. For example, if an important issue came up in the US then we could use the power of the internet to produce a global response.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 08:20 AM
I have been working on the Australian version of CFL for the past year. I'm working on it with a few other anti-war, Austrian-School libertarians here in Australia. It's so far been a $20,000 project and is still not yet finished.

We only have a splash page up to get email updates at the moment http://la.org.au

I proposed some sort of global sychronicity/co-operation a while ago.

I bought the URL http://www.libertyuniversal.com and was planning some sort of co-ordination proposal myself.

The appeal is that we can combine our numbers on the internet and be more effective on specific important projects in each country. For example, if an important issue came up in the US then we could use the power of the internet to produce a global response.



Awesome!!! I love the domain name too!

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 08:27 AM
Awesome!!! I love the domain name too!

Excellent. So it's just a matter of working out what form it should take.

I think it needs to clearly describe the faction that we represent:

* Centred on the Austrian School (NOT Milton Friedman Chicago-School)
* Commodity Money Standards
* Anti-War
* Anti the Socialist-style nWo Free-Trade agreements (NAFTA etc)
* Pro true Free Trade
* Anti Lisbon Treaty
* Anti North American Union
* Anti Asia-Pacific Union (Thats our proposed one here in Australia)
* Anti United Nations
* Global Warming is a fraud

One of the other non-US figures other than Hannan would be Vaclav Klaus - President of the Czech Republic, Mises Man, Ron Paul's friend, anti-Lisbon Treaty, anti-UN, anti-global warming fraud.



There is a clear worldwide faction coalescing here.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 08:30 AM
dismantling of the United Nations

No fiat currency

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 08:32 AM
Who do we have that could be involved in Australia? There are going to be a lot of places around the world where there is no real defined liberty leadership so there are going to be some people elevated if this comes to pass.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 08:36 AM
Perhaps we should get some central trustworthy figure to set it up.

I'll donate US$1000 to get it started if someone trustworthy is willing to organise it.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 08:39 AM
Who do we have that could be involved in Australia? There are going to be a lot of places around the world where there is no real defined liberty leadership so there are going to be some people elevated if this comes to pass.

Me and my people are the focus of this movement in Australia (You might know my mate Conza88 who comes on these forums often). As I said, we are close to launching our very elaborate site.

There are ALOT of folks here in Australia who love Dr Paul but need to learn more about the Austrian-School.

Bern
03-27-2009, 08:52 AM
A worldwide revolution for liberty? This will blow up the internets.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 08:58 AM
Perhaps we should get some central trustworthy figure to set it up.

I'll donate US$1000 to get it started if someone trustworthy is willing to organise it.

What do you mean by "set it up"? Are you talking about a public figure to be our representation? Or are you looking for someone to set up the website, etc.?

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 09:00 AM
A worldwide revolution for liberty? This will blow up the internets.

one can only hope... it's time we realize that it is not only America's neck on the chopping block and that there are perhaps millions across the globe who share our basic philosophy. One of my favorite parts of the Constitution Revolution 2012 video was when (I believe Adam) said "consider this our muster". Well it would be my hope that this could be considered the continental congress for everyone who loves liberty and just wants to be left alone.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 09:02 AM
What do you mean by "set it up"? Are you talking about a public figure to be our representation? Or are you looking for someone to set up the website, etc.?

I am wondering the same thing. I think there would have to be two different groups in order to set this up. We would have to have the tech people and people behind the scenes doing the grunt work and then we would have to have people out in front of the cameras spreading the word.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:03 AM
What do you mean by "set it up"? Are you talking about a public figure to be our representation? Or are you looking for someone to set up the website, etc.?

Nar. I just mean the website etc. Just to explain that this is a worldwide consolidated movement of people who have similar conservative-libertarian views centred around the Austrian-School .... and are anti-war.

I'm not real good on the tech-side.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:05 AM
Who do we know on this forum that builds kick-butt web sites?

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:06 AM
I am wondering the same thing. I think there would have to be two different groups in order to set this up. We would have to have the tech people and people behind the scenes doing the grunt work and then we would have to have people out in front of the cameras spreading the word.

I think the first thing to do is to define the movement and have links to the relevant sites for each country.

constituent
03-27-2009, 09:06 AM
I, for one, want to see the end of the United Nations. I think one of our goals should be to get each country involved in this project to promote the end of the UN.


In that case call it untiednations.com

bossman068410
03-27-2009, 09:07 AM
I heard Peter Schiff talk about him speaking overseas at a Saudi school and they Cheered him after the speech...

The World IS Ready to here the Ring of Freedom !!!!

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:07 AM
Can we work on a mission statement while we're searching for a webmaster? I propose anyone and everyone write a mission statement and then we can merge all the best points into one.

Btw Curlz, it is very generous of you to donate 1k to the effort. Bless your heart, and thank you!

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:08 AM
In that case call it untiednations.com

VERY catchy name! Way to go!

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 09:10 AM
My God.... this may actually happen

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:14 AM
Wow... this is a very great idea, we need to roll with this!

I'm definitely on board for making another video for this, and will start trying to think of something asap..

I don't have enough time on my hands to also take on the web-design portion of this but I do own the rights to some badass wordpress themes if we get a developer who prefer's wordpress.

here's the themes
http://www.studiopress.com/themes


I personally like this one, for this concept.

http://www.studiopress.com/demo/church.html

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:16 AM
VERY catchy name! Way to go!

perhaps a play on the UN might be better ....


libertyUN.org , com and net is avaliable

I already have libertyuniversal.com , org, net


so whatever.

constituent
03-27-2009, 09:18 AM
perhaps a play on the UN might be better ....


libertyUN.org , com and net is avaliable

I already have libertyuniversal.com , org, net


so whatever.

UntiedNations is a play on UN.... switch the I with the T in untied (hehehehe).

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:19 AM
perhaps a play on the UN might be better ....


libertyUN.org , com and net is avaliable

I already have libertyuniversal.com , org, net


so whatever.

We should make a poll on the domain name, once we have a little more time to brainstorm.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:19 AM
untiednations is a play on un.... Switch the i with the t in untied (hehehehe).

i love it!!! :D

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:20 AM
UntiedNations is a play on .... switch the I with the T in untied.

not sure thats a good play on words. Because we dont want to imply isolationism.

We want the nations to have free trade, but under liberty.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:20 AM
not sure thats a good play on words. Because we dont want to imply isolationism.

We want the nations to have free trade, but under liberty.

good point...

He Who Pawns
03-27-2009, 09:22 AM
See you guys are starting to catch on to my One World Libertarian Government. ;)

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:25 AM
The likely nations involved would be the english-speaking former British colonies who have tradition of liberty ...

Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand, UK ....... The Anglosphere


Its unlikely the socialists in South America, Africa, Asia and Continental Europe are gonna have alot of folks interested.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:26 AM
not sure thats a good play on words. Because we dont want to imply isolationism.

We want the nations to have free trade, but under liberty.

Yeah but it's still a really catchy name. I don't think the name implies isolationism, and the whole idea of international liberty definitely doesn't imply isolationism. On the other hand, as the name implies, dismantling the UN isn't our only goal.

Conza88
03-27-2009, 09:29 AM
In terms of Language...

All we need is to find Liberty lovers from that nation who are able to translate into their local language.

No hard.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:30 AM
Yeah but it's still a really catchy name. I don't think the name implies isolationism, and the whole idea of international liberty definitely doesn't imply isolationism. On the other hand, as the name implies, dismantling the UN isn't our only goal.

I like to know something about a site by the URL.

untiednations doesnt tell me much about it.

We need "liberty" in the URL I'd say.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:34 AM
I'd say the checklist is:

* Define the movement (explain we are not Friedmanites and we are anti-war and so on).
* Find out the political figures and organisations from each country who already fall into it.
* Work out some way we can communicate and synchronise and co-ordinate actions to maximise the effect of certain activities in any one country.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:35 AM
I like to know something about a site by the URL.

untiednations doesnt tell me much about it.

We need "liberty" in the URL I'd say.

good point.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:36 AM
OneWorldLiberty.Com

Original_Intent
03-27-2009, 09:37 AM
I have been thinking along these same lines since last night when I watched the gentleman in parlliament rip the PM a new one.

Names I have been thinking of is "Internaional Liberty Movement" or "International Liberty Front".

Instead of a "Free State Project" we may just end up with a "Free Nation Project"!!!

Anyone know any small countries with a good climate that we could take over?? :D

This MUST take off! Love the ideas so far - "Untied Nations" SWEET!

edit: what is that website run by the author of "Creature from Jekyll Island" - G Edward Griffin? I know he has some kind of international freedom thing going that when I looked into it seemed pretty cool.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:38 AM
I'd say the checklist is:

* Define the movement (explain we are not Friedmanites and we are anti-war and so on)
* Find out the political figures from each country who already fall into it
* Work out some way we can communicate and synchronise and co-ordinate actions to maximise the effect of certain activities in any one country.


A mission statement will define the movement.

I'll start researching for like-minded political figures in other countries.

A central meeting place, like a web site could do this, couldn't it? Each participating country could have its own link. And all events that are a work in progress could have their own links.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:40 AM
OneWorldLiberty.Com

sounds good.

so the options so far ...

* oneworldliberty.org/com/net
* libertyuniversal.org/com/net
* libertyUN.org/com/net
* untiednations.org/com/net

reduen
03-27-2009, 09:41 AM
I am on board for some graphics design. (Or whatever is needed) Let's make this happen..

Starting next week I am fully available. :cool:

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:43 AM
I have been thinking along these same lines since last night when I watched the gentleman in parlliament rip the PM a new one.

Names I have been thinking of is "Internaional Liberty Movement" or "International Liberty Front".

Instead of a "Free State Project" we may just end up with a "Free Nation Project"!!!

Anyone know any small countries with a good climate that we could take over?? :D

This MUST take off! Love the ideas so far - "Untied Nations" SWEET!


Well, Curlz already has a good domain name established. I think having the words "liberty" and "international" do the best job of getting the point across about the intentions.

Untied Nations would make a great headline for a press release, or an article about this movement.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:44 AM
I'd say the checklist is:

* Define the movement (explain we are not Friedmanites and we are anti-war and so on).



I'll try to base my video around our mission statements, and will be asking for your advice and input constantly :cool:



* Find out the political figures and organisations from each country who already fall into it.


Yup, we're off to a great start already. I gotta find me a Canadian liberty candidate :cool:



* Work out some way we can communicate and synchronise and co-ordinate actions to maximise the effect of certain activities in any one country.

A team of web developers would really be crucial. We need to grab some people with specific skills.

Graphic arts, web design, programming, content management systems, databases etc.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:45 AM
I am on board for some graphics design. (Or whatever is needed) Let's make this happen..

Starting next week I am fully available. :cool:

Awesome... i may be in touch for my video as well :)

What graphic design skills do you have? what software?

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:47 AM
Guys, please put up a really awesome picture of the earth on the site? Say, from the moon's vantage point?

Thoughts?

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:48 AM
A mission statement will define the movement.

I'll start researching for like-minded political figures in other countries.

A central meeting place, like a web site could do this, couldn't it? Each participating country could have its own link. And all events that are a work in progress could have their own links.


I've been following the European parliament for a while.

Some people who qualify as Hayekians are:

- Danieal Hannan MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)
- Syed Kamall MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)
- Nigel Farage MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - UKIP Party)
- Roger Helmer MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)


Prob a few others.

All these guys are against the socialist EU and Britains involvement in it. They were against the Iraq War also.

They give blasting speeches in the parliament and Kamall and Hannan quote Hayek often and talk about "Road to Serfdom".

Conza88
03-27-2009, 09:48 AM
Consider the universal status of the ethic of liberty, and of the natural right of person and property that obtains under such an ethic.

For every person, at any time or place, can be covered by the basic rules:
• ownership of one's own self,
• ownership of the previously unused resources which one has occupied and transformed; and
• ownership of all titles derived from that basic ownership —either through voluntary exchanges or voluntary gifts.

These rules —which we might call the “rules of natural ownership”— can clearly be applied, and such ownership defended, regardless of the time or place, and regardless of the economic attainments of the society. It is impossible for any other social system to qualify as universal natural law; for if there is any coercive rule by one person or group over another (and all rule partakes of such hegemony), then it is impossible to apply the same rule for all; only a rulerless, purely libertarian world can fulfill the qualifications of natural rights and natural law, or, more important, can fulfill the conditions of a universal ethic for all mankind.

The Ethics of Liberty

:)

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:51 AM
:)


Oh yes. This should definitely be incorporated into the mission statement.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:51 AM
Guys, please put up a really awesome picture of the earth on the site? Say, from the moon's vantage point?

Thoughts?

Could our R3VOLUTION logo fit in as well? Is that too much?

And i agree... the earth could be a good theme for the site.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 09:52 AM
Guys, please put up a really awesome picture of the earth on the site? Say, from the moon's vantage point?

Thoughts?

I often buy stock images from http://www.dreamstime.com

They have awesome images that are pretty cheap.

If people want to look there I can buy the images.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 09:53 AM
I've been following the European parliament for a while.

Some people who qualify as Hayekians are:

- Danieal Hannan MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)
- Syed Kamall MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)
- Nigel Farage MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - UKIP Party)
- Roger Helmer MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)


Prob a few others.

All these guys are against the socialist EU and Britains involvement in it. They were against the Iraq War also.

They give blasting speeches in the parliament and Kamall and Hannan quote Hayek often and talk about "Road to Serfdom".

Perfect start. Once we've collected a list, have the site up and running, we ought to invite everyone on the list to visit, join, and possibly be a representative of the ILM (International Liberty Movement).

reduen
03-27-2009, 09:53 AM
Awesome... i may be in touch for my video as well :)

What graphic design skills do you have? what software?

I have recently switched to Adobe software and I am still learning it but I have Adobe Master Collection CS3 (Illustrator, Indesign, Aftereffects, Flash, etc...)

I also have another good video maker that I use called PowerDirector.

Shoot me a message PM if you want. I have to go for now though...

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:56 AM
I have recently switched to Adobe software and I am still learning it but I have Adobe Master Collection CS3 (Illustrator, Indesign, Aftereffects, Flash, etc...)

I also have another good video maker that I use called PowerDirector.

Shoot me a message PM if you want. I have to go for now though...

Awesome dude... i look forward to workin' with you.

reduen
03-27-2009, 09:57 AM
Guys, please put up a really awesome picture of the earth on the site? Say, from the moon's vantage point?

Thoughts?

I say we look to the Declaration for guidance. (It was good enough before...)

(Sorry if this is obvious, I didn't get that it was so I thought I would state it....)

Really gotta go for now..

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 10:00 AM
:)

We will stick to small government and more generic terms.

No Rothbard fundamentalism .... because its divisive and many of us disagree with Rothbard on many issues.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 10:03 AM
Perfect start. Once we've collected a list, have the site up and running, we ought to invite everyone on the list to visit, join, and possibly be a representative of the ILM (International Liberty Movement).

It's important they fill the criteria we listed earlier.

Anti-war especially. Because we are demarcating from the neocons (Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and you know the rest)


and NO Milton Friedman paper money disciples are allowed either.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 10:06 AM
We will stick to small government and more generic terms.

No Rothbard fundamentalism .... because its divisive and many of us disagree with Rothbard on many issues.

I think it's going to be nearly impossible that everyone will agree on everything.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 10:07 AM
Curlz I tried to post an earth picture from that site you listed and I can't do it. Any suggestions?

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 10:07 AM
I think it's going to be nearly impossible that everyone will agree on everything.

Everyone can agree on small government and anti-war. :)

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 10:07 AM
Curlz I tried to post an earth picture from that site you listed and I can't do it. Any suggestions?

Just link me to it. You dont have to post the actual photo.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 10:16 AM
Everyone can agree on small government and anti-war. :)


True, but let's not get caught in the trap of narrowing our scope too much. Liberty is a very big tent. ;)

I suppose a good, healthy debate over our mission statement will eventually ensue.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 10:19 AM
Just link me to it. You dont have to post the actual photo.

Okay, it's 61.D http://www.dreamstime.com/search.php?srh_field=the%20earth&s_st=new&s_sm=all&s_rsf=0&s_rst=7&s_mrg=1&s_ph=y&s_il=y&s_sl1=y&s_sl2=y&s_sl3=y&s_sl4=y&s_sl5=y&s_clc=y&s_clm=y&s_orp=y&s_ors=y&s_orl=y&s_orw=y&s_mrc1=y&s_mrc2=y&s_mrc3=y&s_mrc4=y&s_mrc5=y&pg=13

It's actually not the one I had in mind. There's a better one but I'll have to search for it.

Edit. I just looked at this picture again and they have changed it's identifying number.

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 10:22 AM
Okay, it's 61.D http://www.dreamstime.com/search.php?srh_field=the%20earth&s_st=new&s_sm=all&s_rsf=0&s_rst=7&s_mrg=1&s_ph=y&s_il=y&s_sl1=y&s_sl2=y&s_sl3=y&s_sl4=y&s_sl5=y&s_clc=y&s_clm=y&s_orp=y&s_ors=y&s_orl=y&s_orw=y&s_mrc1=y&s_mrc2=y&s_mrc3=y&s_mrc4=y&s_mrc5=y&pg=13

It's actually not the one I had in mind. There's a better one but I'll have to search for it.

Well if graphics designers want anything bought from that site they can contact me and I will pay for it.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 10:28 AM
Could our R3VOLUTION logo fit in as well? Is that too much?

And i agree... the earth could be a good theme for the site.

I'm okay with it. Especially in light of the fact that we will be 'recruiting' world wide supporters of Ron Paul. Is there any way we can access the contacts on this map?

http://i42.tinypic.com/11cf7kp.jpg

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 10:32 AM
Bed time in Australia. Back in 8 hours.

Original_Intent
03-27-2009, 10:34 AM
I have been thinking along these same lines since last night when I watched the gentleman in parlliament rip the PM a new one.

Names I have been thinking of is "Internaional Liberty Movement" or "International Liberty Front".

Instead of a "Free State Project" we may just end up with a "Free Nation Project"!!!

Anyone know any small countries with a good climate that we could take over?? :D

This MUST take off! Love the ideas so far - "Untied Nations" SWEET!

edit: what is that website run by the author of "Creature from Jekyll Island" - G Edward Griffin? I know he has some kind of international freedom thing going that when I looked into it seemed pretty cool.

Found it. http://www.freedom-force.org/

Freedom Force International. Not that it would hurt to have something fresh and new, but also no need to reinvent the wheel if this is what you have in mind...

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 10:35 AM
Bed time in Australia. Back in 8 hours.

Blessings.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 10:56 AM
Found it. http://www.freedom-force.org/

Freedom Force International. Not that it would hurt to have something fresh and new, but also no need to reinvent the wheel if this is what you have in mind...

This is a good point and one that I mention in my first post. Two things though, one is, Ed's goals are a little different. I believe his focus is more on education and less on action. http://www.freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=activities

I don't know about the others, but for me I see this 'movement' as ACTUAL movement! Organizing events that are directed at actually influencing policy. That's why we plan to contact like minded political figures. Imagine, if we can get enough momentum, planning a world-wide event all on the same day, where people rally, with their like-minded representatives, on the steps of their government buildings. - as one example - btw, has that ever been done?

I think it will be important however, (and I know this from organizing the Revmarch) that we and our representatives must never engage in negative responses to attacks ( and we WILL be attacked). That has to be the #1 policy.

Also, I hope that we are inclusive rather than exclusive when it comes to a wide range of ideas and philosophies with regard to liberty. What we may find that works for us in America, may not be what they want in Canada, or France, etc. I'm just saying that there are so many different cultures in the world that it would be a mistake to condemn the French people - the ones who would join our efforts - for hating guns, (as an example).

I guess all of this will come out in the wash when we debate the mission statement.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 11:15 AM
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I don't know about the others, but for me I see this 'movement' as ACTUAL movement!


This other is with you ;)


Organizing events that are directed at actually influencing policy. That's why we plan to contact like minded political figures. Imagine, if we can get enough momentum, planning a world-wide event all on the same day, where people rally, with their like-minded representatives, on the steps of their government buildings. - as one example - btw, has that ever been done?


Not sure if it has been done, but just thinking about the concept gives me chills :D (The good kind)



I think it will be important however, (and I know this from organizing the Revmarch) that we and our representatives must never engage in negative responses to attacks ( and we WILL be attacked). That has to be the #1 policy.


We must maintain the higher ground. Daniel's behavior on Channel 4 is something to take note of. he just laughed at the guy who flatout insulted him, and didn't even bother acknowledging him when he talked, he just stuck to the issues.



Also, I hope that we are inclusive rather than exclusive when it comes to a wide range of ideas and philosophies with regard to liberty. What we may find that works for us in America, may not be what they want in Canada, or France, etc. I'm just saying that there are so many different cultures in the world that it would be a mistake to condemn the French people - the ones who would join our efforts - for hating guns, (as an example).


I agree to an extent, but we need to have firm principles, not wishy washy, kinda-sorta ones.



I guess all of this will come out in the wash when we debate the mission statement.

Yea, we definitely need to fire up a debate thread on our mission statement at some point.

Anyways, I think i need to take a nap, i've been working on random projects all night.

I'm really looking forward to watching this idea progress. :cool:

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 11:21 AM
Happy napping, Clay. Awesome one that you are!

Xenophage
03-27-2009, 12:04 PM
I love this idea.

Freedom isn't just an American thing.

I mean, sure, we look the best DOING it... Australians have a hard time moving around inside their mother's pouches.

Original_Intent
03-27-2009, 12:34 PM
This other is with you ;)


Not sure if it has been done, but just thinking about the concept gives me chills :D (The good kind)



We must maintain the higher ground. Daniel's behavior on Channel 4 is something to take note of. he just laughed at the guy who flatout insulted him, and didn't even bother acknowledging him when he talked, he just stuck to the issues.



I agree to an extent, but we need to have firm principles, not wishy washy, kinda-sorta ones.



Yea, we definitely need to fire up a debate thread on our mission statement at some point.

Anyways, I think i need to take a nap, i've been working on random projects all night.

I'm really looking forward to watching this idea progress. :cool:

One thing I would like to see in the statement of principles.

"We accept the individual's right to worship whoever or whatever they wish, including nothing at all, as long as those beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others. This movement is not the forum for the proselytizing of any particular religious or spiritual point of view. "

Or something along those lines. I really feel that has been a divisive and unnecessary crack in the RPF. G Edward Griffin has something similar on his site, basically telling people to leave those views at the door. I am sure he worded it far better than I did above.

RCA
03-27-2009, 12:42 PM
Isn't this already a "global" liberty movement?

http://www.freedom-force.org/

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 01:03 PM
Isn't this already a "global" liberty movement?

http://www.freedom-force.org/

See below:


Originally Posted by Original_Intent
Found it. http://www.freedom-force.org/

Freedom Force International. Not that it would hurt to have something fresh and new, but also no need to reinvent the wheel if this is what you have in mind...



This is a good point and one that I mention in my first post. Two things though, one is, Ed's goals are a little different. I believe his focus is more on education and less on action. http://www.freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=activities

I don't know about the others, but for me I see this 'movement' as ACTUAL movement! Organizing events that are directed at actually influencing policy. That's why we plan to contact like minded political figures. Imagine, if we can get enough momentum, planning a world-wide event all on the same day, where people rally, with their like-minded representatives, on the steps of their government buildings. - as one example - btw, has that ever been done?

I think it will be important however, (and I know this from organizing the Revmarch) that we and our representatives must never engage in negative responses to attacks ( and we WILL be attacked). That has to be the #1 policy.

Also, I hope that we are inclusive rather than exclusive when it comes to a wide range of ideas and philosophies with regard to liberty. What we may find that works for us in America, may not be what they want in Canada, or France, etc. I'm just saying that there are so many different cultures in the world that it would be a mistake to condemn the French people - the ones who would join our efforts - for hating guns, (as an example).

I guess all of this will come out in the wash when we debate the mission statement.

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 01:07 PM
One thing I would like to see in the statement of principles.

"We accept the individual's right to worship whoever or whatever they wish, including nothing at all, as long as those beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others. This movement is not the forum for the proselytizing of any particular religious or spiritual point of view. "

Or something along those lines. I really feel that has been a divisive and unnecessary crack in the RPF. G Edward Griffin has something similar on his site, basically telling people to leave those views at the door. I am sure he worded it far better than I did above.

Agreed. The basic tenet should be: Freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Or something that more eloquently encompasses the above.

Moxxar
03-27-2009, 01:46 PM
The likely nations involved would be the english-speaking former British colonies who have tradition of liberty ...

Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand, UK ....... The Anglosphere


Its unlikely the socialists in South America, Africa, Asia and Continental Europe are gonna have alot of folks interested.


Wow, not so fast you crazy Aussi!

Don't count out the Dutch libertarians...

(all 50 of us...) ;)

reduen
03-27-2009, 02:34 PM
Everyone can agree on small government and anti-war. :)

This is an absolute must for me. In today’s world there is no room or reason for either of these.

Just because one believes a certain thing to be unattainable (a world without war) does not make it so and more importantly it does not mean that one should cease working toward that end.

I believe the concepts of Liberty and Self-Governance should definitely be the rallying point of this project...

Small Government = Big Deal

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 02:46 PM
This is an absolute must for me. In today’s world there is no room or reason for either of these.

Just because one believes a certain thing to be unattainable (a world without war) does not make it so and more importantly it does not mean that one should cease working toward that end.

I believe the concepts of Liberty and Self-Governance should definitely be the rallying point of this project...

Small Government = Big Deal

Along with dismantling the United Nations. If we don't do them in, there WILL be a NWO and our sovereignty, or self governance as you put it, will be right out the door with our liberty.

reduen
03-27-2009, 02:52 PM
One thing I would like to see in the statement of principles.

"We accept the individual's right to worship whoever or whatever they wish, including nothing at all, as long as those beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others. This movement is not the forum for the proselytizing of any particular religious or spiritual point of view. "

Or something along those lines. I really feel that has been a divisive and unnecessary crack in the RPF. G Edward Griffin has something similar on his site, basically telling people to leave those views at the door. I am sure he worded it far better than I did above.


I am a Christian and I am ok with this. I do believe that we must come to an agreement on one thing however and that is the sanctity of life. (That means every life..)

No matter whether you believe that life was created or just evolved I believe that we must rally around the idea that one's very existence affords them certain inalienable rights! (Life, liberty, etc...)

If life is to be truly protected, then one must have a definitive description of what life is and exactly when it begins. (When does one begin to exist?) I believe that it is at the point of conception but maybe we could come to an agreement of a certain point in the gestation period or something so that this subject no longer divides us.

This does not mean that personally I would not try to dissuade others from any form of abortion of course but as a matter of law I really feel that this issue must be agreed to..

reduen
03-27-2009, 02:57 PM
Along with dismantling the United Nations. If we don't do them in, there WILL be a NWO and our sovereignty, or self governance as you put it, will be right out the door with our liberty.

One thought here is that Nations United seems to be our goal but united for what is the question... I would argue it to be Nations United to the cause of Liberty.

Just a thought though...

Chase
03-27-2009, 03:26 PM
* Global Warming is a fraud


How about restating that as an opposition to global warming / climate change legislation? We shouldn't exclude any liberty lovers that are concerned about global warming, so long as they don't want to use the state to engage in social engineering...

nayjevin
03-27-2009, 03:41 PM
I forget where I saw this (maybe Downsize DC) but I like the simple mission statement:

"Reduce the size and scope of government on all levels."

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 04:35 PM
Since there could never be a real consensus on what everyone wants, why not just have a few basic beliefs (i.e. All mankind is by nature free , no oppressive taxation, no limits upon free trade, etc etc etc) and then let each nations leaders decide what they want to focus on individually. For example, the United States leadership page could outline our demands for the abolishment of the federal reserve, department of education, ending the prohibition of drugs, getting rid of the federal income tax, restoration of total state sovereignty, etc. Those in the U.K. can decide what they would add to their own Declaration of Independence and so and so forth. We come together only for the purpose of showing our numbers and showing the world that true liberty is possible for everyone if they truly want it but that is it. This is basically coming together for the overall goal of staying apart!

Deborah K
03-27-2009, 05:04 PM
Since there could never be a real consensus on what everyone wants, why not just have a few basic beliefs (i.e. All mankind is by nature free , no oppressive taxation, no limits upon free trade, etc etc etc) and then let each nations leaders decide what they want to focus on individually. For example, the United States leadership page could outline our demands for the abolishment of the federal reserve, department of education, ending the prohibition of drugs, getting rid of the federal income tax, restoration of total state sovereignty, etc. Those in the U.K. can decide what they would add to their own Declaration of Independence and so and so forth. We come together only for the purpose of showing our numbers and showing the world that true liberty is possible for everyone if they truly want it but that is it. This is basically coming together for the overall goal of staying apart!

This sounds good to me! I do hope we put emphasis on dismantling the UN. The UN is the NWO and we have common ground with other nations whose people don't want that any more than we do.

Can we get a concensus on this? Because this is really the main issue for me, and while we can set various goals, like the ones you brought up, we have to have a primary focus. I'd also like to see us plan a major event around this issue.

Another primary focus is an alternative currency should our own currencies fail. We should post some kind of a strategy that is sort of a 'one size fits all' back up plan that any town, state, or country could fall back on if necessary.

This would be key since the collapse of the world's currencies would put us squarely in the hands of the UN and the BIS and the IMF.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 05:21 PM
I am all for getting us the hell out of the U.N. and would delighted to have this as one of our basic demands!

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 05:25 PM
C'mon people.... input,input,input.. even if you think this is a stupid idea than please say so... Nobody is going to do this for us! This is up to "we the people" to take our nations back.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 06:51 PM
bump... we need more input! :cool:

Joe3113
03-27-2009, 07:01 PM
The following are the main principles I propose:

1. Dismantaling the United Nations
2. Legalising Competing Currencies => Phasing out fiat central banking
3. Government Confined to purpose of protecting liberty (Courts, Police etc)
4. True Free Trade between free nations with high standards of living (Third World Socialist Countries with fiat currencies should be cut off because a country like China can create a business cycle and depression on its own)

...

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 08:07 PM
The following are the main principles I propose:

1. Dismantaling the United Nations
2. Legalising Competing Currencies => Phasing out fiat central banking
3. Government Confined to purpose of protecting liberty (Courts, Police etc)
4. True Free Trade between free nations with high standards of living (Third World Socialist Countries with fiat currencies should be cut off because a country like China can create a business cycle and depression on its own)

...

No arguments here. Great list!

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 08:44 PM
bump... c'mon.

more people gotta be interested in this concept :cool:

zach
03-27-2009, 08:46 PM
this concept is so vast that I don't even know where to start with some input.

:X

trey4sports
03-27-2009, 08:46 PM
Excellent. So it's just a matter of working out what form it should take.

I think it needs to clearly describe the faction that we represent:

* Centred on the Austrian School (NOT Milton Friedman Chicago-School)
* Commodity Money Standards
* Anti-War
* Anti the Socialist-style nWo Free-Trade agreements (NAFTA etc)
* Pro true Free Trade
* Anti Lisbon Treaty
* Anti North American Union
* Anti Asia-Pacific Union (Thats our proposed one here in Australia)
* Anti United Nations
* Global Warming is a fraud

One of the other non-US figures other than Hannan would be Vaclav Klaus - President of the Czech Republic, Mises Man, Ron Paul's friend, anti-Lisbon Treaty, anti-UN, anti-global warming fraud.



There is a clear worldwide faction coalescing here.

you are most certainly a terrorist in Missouri

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 08:48 PM
this concept is so vast that I don't even know where to start with some input.

:X

I feel the same way :p

I already have a song picked out for a video i want to make. :D Need to hear some more input before the concept becomes clear and defined though :cool:

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 08:52 PM
I feel the same way :p

I already have a song picked out for a video i want to make. :D Need to hear some more input before the concept becomes clear and defined though :cool:

What song do you have in mind? I was kind of thinking "wind of change" by the Scorpions. At least that is what was in my head when I was typing the OP up.

Even the video kinda fits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taVW8Kv2HcQ

Carole
03-27-2009, 09:21 PM
Please also read this thread.

Jerry Doyle interviewing Bob Basso "Thomas Paine" now
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2044545#post2044545

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:23 PM
What song do you have in mind? I was kind of thinking "wind of change" by the Scorpions. At least that is what was in my head when I was typing the OP up.

Even the video kinda fits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taVW8Kv2HcQ

Cool man, I personally don't use lyrics for the videos i make. I use Music as a tool to drive the emotion, while i let our spokesmen for liberty do the lyrical work ;-)

This might sound weird, but the song i'm leaning towards right now is from a videogame "Metal Gear Solid 4". I think it really captures the essence of the "epic" feel that we need to capture. It's also a very peaceful melody, but sends a strong powerful message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Pu92St5O0

I always pick my music before i start putting the video together. :cool:

Carole
03-27-2009, 09:24 PM
UntiedNations is a play on UN.... switch the I with the T in untied (hehehehe).


Could you put a hyphen between Un and Tied (Un-Tied Nations) so it won't be confused as a misspelling of United?

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-27-2009, 09:25 PM
I like it.... great choice Clay... this is why I am in favor of you being in charge of video production for this thing if we can really get it off the ground.

Carole
03-27-2009, 09:28 PM
Me and my people are the focus of this movement in Australia (You might know my mate Conza88 who comes on these forums often). As I said, we are close to launching our very elaborate site.

There are ALOT of folks here in Australia who love Dr Paul but need to learn more about the Austrian-School.

Go here for starters:

http://mises.org/

danda
03-27-2009, 09:29 PM
You guys might want to get in touch with ISIL. (International Society for Individual Liberty)

They've been around for a *very* long time and could likely be a helpful resource or ally. Also, they produced the Animated introduction to philosophy of liberty (http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-index.html) and Jonathon Gullible (http://www.isil.org/tools/jonathan-gullible.html), a great intro-to-economics parable book in the style of Gulliver's Travels. Both are published in many languages. The former is great for posting in blog or website sidebars.

Ken Schoolland, author of both, was my economics professor in university, and has an amazing grasp of economics, national, and world events.

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:29 PM
Conza88 is an Aussie? No way... i never knew that! :cool:

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 09:33 PM
I like it.... great choice Clay... this is why I am in favor of you being in charge of video production for this thing if we can really get it off the ground.

Thanks man! :cool:

Just thinking about the potential of this project is getting me very excited, haha. :o



You guys might want to get in touch with ISIL. (International Society for Individual Liberty)

They've been around for a *very* long time and could likely be a helpful resource or ally. Also, they produced the Animated introduction to philosophy of liberty (http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-index.html) and Jonathon Gullible (http://www.isil.org/tools/jonathan-gullible.html), a great intro-to-economics parable book in the style of Gulliver's Travels.

Ken Schoolland, author of both, was my economics professor in university, and has an amazing grasp of economics, national, and world events.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

Carole
03-27-2009, 09:45 PM
Everybody after listening to Bob Basso's interview on Jerry Doyle, it seems apparent that he makes a very good point about getting the Middle Class of America involved.

This is the largest group being affected by all that is happening in our country and the group that is silent and just pays their taxes tries to stay uninvolved.

Please try to include the principles and ideas of liberty in this effort that can unite them and attract them to the cause. Try not to list agenda items that could alienate and divide them.

Sorry if I am not being coherent. It is late and I am tired. I am just trying to say we must find some of the problems that translate easily to the sleeping middle class, like maybe no more stimulus robbing them of their lives and children's lives.

Hope this helps.

Here again is my other thread on the Basso interview. He says it much better than I do . I paraphrased as quickly as possible the interview.

Jerry Doyle interviewing Bob Basso "Thomas Paine" now
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2044545#post2044545

People like Daniel Hannan and Nigel Farage could be a influence if people know about them here AND across the pond. They are just MEPs in the EU Parliament, but we can make them bigger especially by ramping up their You tube visits and ratings.

I do not know this site yet, but my niece sent this to me suggest ing that we

The Patriotic Resistance

Restore Our Constitution March & Lobby Day DC 2009

Organizing and planning for the preservation of the Constitution, the rights of the people March on DC 2009
http://www.resistnet.com/group/wethepeoplemarchonwashington


Good night all. :D

ClayTrainor
03-27-2009, 11:22 PM
bump for greatness :cool:

Joe3113
03-28-2009, 05:33 AM
I did a VERY ROUGH 10-minute-job conceptual diagram just to get something in peoples heads to work with.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/Curlz31/Untitled-1copy-5.jpg

FunkBuddha
03-28-2009, 05:45 AM
sounds good.

so the options so far ...

* oneworldliberty.org/com/net
* libertyuniversal.org/com/net
* libertyUN.org/com/net
* untiednations.org/com/net



libertasuniversalis.com
ama-gi.net

Also, it'd be wicked to incorporate the Ama-Gi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama-gi) script into the logo.
http://www.libarti.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Amagi.jpg

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-28-2009, 09:32 AM
I did a VERY ROUGH 10-minute-job conceptual diagram just to get something in peoples heads to work with.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/Curlz31/Untitled-1copy-5.jpg

I love that outline. I would perhaps leave out the word "neocon" because we want people to come in the door and not think we are bashing conservatives right off the bat. Many of those who are just waking up and who are republican still think that only liberals use the term "neoconservative" and may blow us off before they even get started.

I love the listing of organizations on the side and perhaps we could make them clickable so that someone visiting from a specific country could click on their region for contact information for their groups and to review a list of their own liberty movements demands for their own nations. Man this has potential to be so freakin awesome... all of us together fighting the good fight and organizing for action around the world!!!!

ClayTrainor
03-28-2009, 10:14 AM
I did a VERY ROUGH 10-minute-job conceptual diagram just to get something in peoples heads to work with.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/Curlz31/Untitled-1copy-5.jpg

That's a pretty nice draft.

I was just wondering Will we have some sort of system for people to make accounts, or interact with the site in any way? (comments, forum, a news page, etc)

Conza88
03-28-2009, 10:35 AM
Conza88 is an Aussie? No way... i never knew that! :cool:

:o I hope to come over at some point, travel around the US :D

ClayTrainor
03-28-2009, 11:35 AM
:o I hope to come over at some point, travel around the US :D

Be sure to hit up Canada on your travels :cool:

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-28-2009, 02:42 PM
I am trying to get some contact info for Glenn Jacobs (the wrestler known as Kane). I would like to get him booked as a voice of liberty on the same station I got Ron Paul and Adam Kokesh on and I would also like to ask him about this project. He could serve as a fantastic ambassador for this project. He already travels around the world as a part of his job and could do a lot to help spread the word.

Anybody know where to start outside of sending e-mails to WWE (his employer) directly as I am pretty sure they would not relay the message!

Joe3113
03-28-2009, 04:13 PM
That's a pretty nice draft.

I was just wondering Will we have some sort of system for people to make accounts, or interact with the site in any way? (comments, forum, a news page, etc)


We don't really want overlapping functionality because it becomes redundant. The point should be to find a way to create a communication network for the purpose of...

-Co-ordinating action globally for maximum effect (e.g. we could have people all over the world helping in certain projects in the USA - even if its just emailing - AND we could have US people helping on liberty related projects elsewhere- especially in Europe where the liberty movement needs to defeat the socialist Lisbon Treaty)

If we act globally then we are effectively using the concept of comparative advantage and having maximal effect. For example, if CFL members did something little to help a project in Australia it would have a HUGE effect because we are a country with a population only the size of Texas.

Joe3113
03-28-2009, 09:22 PM
I drew up a second draft proposal and put it up at the temporary URL:

http://www.libertyuniversal.org


Please have a look and we can work on refining the principles.

FrankRep
03-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Isn't this already a "global" liberty movement?

http://www.freedom-force.org/

We should call G. Edward Griffin into this for some help.

dr. hfn
03-28-2009, 09:34 PM
I think it's really important we don't oversaturate the net with our sites, we don't want too many. It will end up becoming a distraction and diffusing our power. We need a few high quality sites with powerful tools and capabilities. Maybe we should help improve the sites that exist already in preparation for 2010 and 2012.
This forum could aid all the sites in the Liberty Movement...then move on to a bigger project.

ClayTrainor
03-28-2009, 09:35 PM
We should call G. Edward Griffin into this for some help.

Deborah K knows him i think. Why do you mention Griffin, specifically?

FrankRep
03-28-2009, 09:40 PM
Deborah K knows him i think. Why do you mention Griffin, specifically?
He has a large influence and Freedom Force (http://www.freedom-force.org/) wants to focus on International activism.

ClayTrainor
03-28-2009, 09:42 PM
I drew up a second draft proposal and put it up at the temporary URL:

http://www.libertyuniversal.org


Please have a look and we can work on refining the principles.


I just got back from the bar, and am a bit drunk right now but, I really like where you're going with this man. The principles are very good. I like the emphasis on the Austrian school.

ClayTrainor
03-28-2009, 09:44 PM
He has a large influence and Freedom Force (http://www.freedom-force.org/) wants to focus on International activism.

Awesome!

Joe3113
03-28-2009, 09:46 PM
Deborah K knows him i think. Why do you mention Griffin, specifically?

The problem is you cant get anti-war conservatives on board under Freedom-Force because G-Ed talks about 9/11 being an inside job openly.


Yes there are too many overlapping sites, but there is no international co-operative which allows people to co-operate on specific, important projects for liberty. Many of these important projects are not taking place in the United States. For example the Lisbon Treaty. Many of you dont know what that is and yet you could be an enormous help in opposing it.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-28-2009, 10:13 PM
I drew up a second draft proposal and put it up at the temporary URL:

http://www.libertyuniversal.org


Please have a look and we can work on refining the principles.

That looks fantastic and I love the mission statement. I can't believe this is coming together like this... It is awe inspiring to stop and think about the group of people and level of talents who have together on this forum.

OferNave
03-28-2009, 10:20 PM
The biggest and best liberty conference in the world is the Liberty Forum, held annually in New Hampshire, home of the Free State Project:

http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum

Why don't ya'll come by next year and submit a speaker to pitch the idea, and meet with like-minded people from all over?

Joe3113
03-29-2009, 04:08 AM
Here's the temporary URL again http://libertyuniversal.org/

nayjevin
03-29-2009, 04:52 AM
The problem is you cant get anti-war conservatives on board under Freedom-Force because G-Ed talks about 9/11 being an inside job openly.


Yes there are too many overlapping sites, but there is no international co-operative which allows people to co-operate on specific, important projects for liberty. Many of these important projects are not taking place in the United States. For example the Lisbon Treaty. Many of you dont know what that is and yet you could be an enormous help in opposing it.

GUYS

I have been working on a site that is what you all are talking about - but it's in beta so I have not released it yet.

I only say this now because it appears someone might duplicate my efforts - I don't want someone spending 100 hours just to find you made another one of these:


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Joe3113
03-29-2009, 05:28 AM
GUYS

I have been working on a site that is what you all are talking about - but it's in beta so I have not released it yet.

I only say this now because it appears someone might duplicate my efforts - I don't want someone spending 100 hours just to find you made another one of these:



should be open in a week. Cheers!

Awesome effort! ..... but this is distinctly different. I am not really interested in all the bells and whistles. I am an Australian who studies liberty issues worldwide so I know about the European and British situation, the Australian situation obviously, and also the US and Canadian situations with regard to the specific issues of liberty.


I dont want overlapping functionalities with things that CFL or other sites already have. I'm simply coming up with something that can facilitate co-operation between all nations to maximise the effect we all have.

An example would be co-ordinating action to defeat the Lisbon Treaty, which is a socialist takeover of Britain by the European Union. If libertarian-conservatives worldwide acted online together on these specific and important projects then we could have a real impact.

So basically the point is for everyone to help each other to maximise the effect.

nayjevin
03-29-2009, 05:59 AM
Awesome effort! ..... but this is distinctly different. I am not really interested in all the bells and whistles. I am an Australian who studies liberty issues worldwide so I know about the European and British situation, the Australian situation obviously, and also the US and Canadian situations with regard to the specific issues of liberty.


I dont want overlapping functionalities with things that CFL or other sites already have. I'm simply coming up with something that can facilitate co-operation between all nations to maximise the effect we all have.

An example would be co-ordinating action to defeat the Lisbon Treaty, which is a socialist takeover of Britain by the European Union. If libertarian-conservatives worldwide acted online together on these specific and important projects then we could have a real impact.

So basically the point is for everyone to help each other to maximise the effect.

point taken. I disagree, but here may not be the place -- pm on it's way.

great project btw!

Conza88
03-29-2009, 06:56 AM
Access to a world wide network of Libertarians, and other folk would be a must.

Imagine doing some traveling in a country, but then also dropping into the local Libertarian group, or getting in contact with other Liberty individuals while you are there.

I for starters, have no idea about Liberty movement in Ireland... the local bloggers, who, what, when where..

There could be a profile for each country? or region? Link to local sites (bloggers) who fit our criteria, Austro-Libertarians basically... :eek:

reduen
03-29-2009, 07:01 AM
I drew up a second draft proposal and put it up at the temporary URL:

http://www.libertyuniversal.org


Please have a look and we can work on refining the principles.

Very good start my friend...!

reduen
03-29-2009, 07:06 AM
Access to a world wide network of Libertarians, and other folk would be a must.

Imagine doing some traveling in a country, but then also dropping into the local Libertarian group, or getting in contact with other Liberty individuals while you are there.

I for starters, have no idea about Liberty movement in Ireland... the local bloggers, who, what, when where..

There could be a profile for each country? or region? Link to local sites (bloggers) who fit our criteria, Austro-Libertarians basically... :eek:

+1 From a Christian Conservative. (You know, like Ron Paul...) :)

StilesBC
03-29-2009, 01:14 PM
I really like this idea.

Would it be used as a sort of "approval" for electoral candidates? We definitely need some support (not necessarily financial) for liberty minded candidates in Canada. Convincing people that we're serious is not easy. But if our local newspapers got wind of international support, thousands strong, and youtube policy videos, they would be sure to provide coverage.

Clay,

Do you know the name of the Libertarian minded Bloq MP? I'm sure we could dig up some HoC speeches from him, put subtitles on a YouTube and make them go viral.

ClayTrainor
03-29-2009, 01:49 PM
Clay,

Do you know the name of the Libertarian minded Bloq MP? I'm sure we could dig up some HoC speeches from him, put subtitles on a YouTube and make them go viral.

Never heard of him, but i'm going to start looking for him now that you bring it up. I'd love to try and make a video for a Canadian candidate.

Josh_LA
03-29-2009, 05:45 PM
Access to a world wide network of Libertarians, and other folk would be a must.


Achieving what globalists can only dream and beg for.




Imagine doing some traveling in a country, but then also dropping into the local Libertarian group, or getting in contact with other Liberty individuals while you are there.

Everywhere you go, there is a home, nice.




I for starters, have no idea about Liberty movement in Ireland... the local bloggers, who, what, when where..



There could be a profile for each country? or region? Link to local sites (bloggers) who fit our criteria, Austro-Libertarians basically... :eek:

Ron Paul Meetup is probably the closest you'll get.

ClayTrainor
03-29-2009, 06:57 PM
Ron Paul Meetup is probably the closest you'll get.

you're not thinking BIG enough ;)

reduen
03-29-2009, 07:27 PM
Here is my first thought on a logo for this project. I thought that we might add broken chains of bondage somewhere and of course the official name but I just want some input for now...



http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/18741a936f3064848a6ce2fd80630d822g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zn5qdqzehct&thumb=5)

What say ye all...?

bossman068410
03-29-2009, 07:29 PM
Links to the top 10 books that support our arguments
Links to Mesis, AntiWar.com, and others with specific specialties to support our arguments.

Ask Those Organizations to link to you.

Translations !!!! Need like minded to translate into their perspective languages. Especially those nations who want our bases out of their nations.

reduen
03-29-2009, 07:49 PM
Maybe something more like this...

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/22237fa4b417cbaed946a6c80a3c60e22g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=kijk43eg2mm&thumb=5)

Joe3113
03-29-2009, 07:59 PM
Maybe something more like this...

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/22237fa4b417cbaed946a6c80a3c60e22g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=kijk43eg2mm&thumb=5)

Yeah I had this same idea.

I'm organising a professional design at the moment. So just relax for a sec folks :o

reduen
03-29-2009, 08:10 PM
Yeah I had this same idea.

I'm organising a professional design at the moment. So just relax for a sec folks :o

Ok, I just got excited thinking that this would be a grass-roots kinda thing and that I could help. (Don't need my help, I will just do something else...)

Good luck and God Bless....

Joe3113
03-29-2009, 08:18 PM
Ok, I just got excited thinking that this would be a grass-roots kinda thing and that I could help. (Don't need my help, I will just do something else...)

Good luck and God Bless....


By the way Organize is spelled with a z, you did the same thing on your temp site... :) (I'm sure you would have caught it though)

Its just a temp design. I thought i'd act and get something done.

Organise is spelt with an 's' here in Australia and in Britain. I'm Australian :)

reduen
03-29-2009, 08:25 PM
Its just a temp design. I thought i'd act and get something done.

"Organise is spelt with an 's' here in Australia and in Britain. I'm Australian" :)

Something that I did not know. I will retract my statement above and I am sorry for the mistake...

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 01:38 PM
Please put a really cool picture of the earth on the site?

http://i44.tinypic.com/4uhqw4.jpg

And, since most people will agree that we need to get out of the UN, can we make that a prominent issue?

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 02:17 PM
Here are some new suggestions and some I already proposed (just trying to group them up):

A profile of each liberty minded politician in the U.S., E.U., Australia, Canada, and elsewhere. Each profile could include news articles on them, a short bio, pictures and even U-tubes. This could be inspiring for those who visit the site. Once we've collected profiles and we have the site up and running, we ought to invite everyone we did a profile of to visit, join, and possibly be a representative of the ILM (International Liberty Movement). As far as I can tell, there is no other org. with this name.

I posted the world-wide Meetup map, that I lifted from another thread, earlier in this thread. Losts of support for Dr. Paul worldwide. How would I go about finding out how to contact the meetups in other countries? We could start there for membership.

I think we do need to have a membership. We could set up a real-time ticker for people to see the membership grow. This is also helpful for organizing activities and events. We can send out newsletters to the membership and recruit for events. I'm happy to help with the area of writing newsletters and recruiting - as well as organizing any events.

I propose anyone and everyone write a mission statement and then we can merge all the best points into one.

Each participating country could have its own link. And all events that are a work in progress could have their own links.

Another primary focus should be an alternative currency should our own currencies fail. We should post some kind of a strategy that is sort of a 'one size fits all' back up plan that any town, state, or country could fall back on if necessary. Here's an example: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-talk_moneydec03,0,2902061.story and this: http://www.localcurrency.org/local_currencies.html

This would be key since the collapse of the world's currencies would put us squarely in the hands of the UN and the BIS and the IMF.

Okay, that's my 2 cents for now.

Thoughts?

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 03:06 PM
You guys might want to get in touch with ISIL. (International Society for Individual Liberty)

They've been around for a *very* long time and could likely be a helpful resource or ally. Also, they produced the Animated introduction to philosophy of liberty (http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-index.html) and Jonathon Gullible (http://www.isil.org/tools/jonathan-gullible.html), a great intro-to-economics parable book in the style of Gulliver's Travels. Both are published in many languages. The former is great for posting in blog or website sidebars.

Ken Schoolland, author of both, was my economics professor in university, and has an amazing grasp of economics, national, and world events.


Love this. I like this clip as well on big gov't. done by someone else: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtzrqvPfnE0&feature=channel_page

illustrations such as these could go on a video page of the web site. :)

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 03:16 PM
I've been following the European parliament for a while.

Some people who qualify as Hayekians are:

- Danieal Hannan MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)
- Syed Kamall MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)
- Nigel Farage MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - UKIP Party)
- Roger Helmer MEP (British Libertarian-Conservative - Conservative Party)


Prob a few others.

All these guys are against the socialist EU and Britains involvement in it. They were against the Iraq War also.

They give blasting speeches in the parliament and Kamall and Hannan quote Hayek often and talk about "Road to Serfdom".

This is a good start. I've asked Torchbearer to ask his Daniel Hannan contact to give us a list of liberty minded politicians that he knows of in GB as well as the EU and elsewhere.

Question, what are their positions on the UN? If you know...

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 03:19 PM
The biggest and best liberty conference in the world is the Liberty Forum, held annually in New Hampshire, home of the Free State Project:

http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum

Why don't ya'll come by next year and submit a speaker to pitch the idea, and meet with like-minded people from all over?


I think that is a great idea.

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 03:27 PM
Here's the temporary URL again http://libertyuniversal.org/


Damn! This is a good start! I think once we get a mission statement exactly the way we want it, we should have a conference call and get to know each other on the phone. Does everyone use skype? I know we have Canadians and Australians involved, any other countries? I know that time zones will be an issue. I'm in Cali.

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 03:57 PM
The following are the main principles I propose:

1. Dismantaling the United Nations
2. Legalising Competing Currencies => Phasing out fiat central banking
3. Government Confined to purpose of protecting liberty (Courts, Police etc)
4. True Free Trade between free nations with high standards of living (Third World Socialist Countries with fiat currencies should be cut off because a country like China can create a business cycle and depression on its own)

...


Okay, I'm gonna work off of this and what you have so far for a mission statement, to come up with my version. Then, I think I'll start another thread for mission statements since this one is getting very long and hard to deal with.

Everyone can work off of each other's to perfect it and debate it. The mission statement has to be thorough but not too wordy, and it has to grab people's attention within the first couple of sentences. This is where people are going to find out what our goals are.

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 04:39 PM
Okay, here is my first draft:


Our mission is to collaborate with all liberty-minded individuals, political leaders, groups, and organizations. And, to invite them to join us under one umbrella in an effort to preserve and protect our rights to individual, and national liberty and sovereignty. Among our goals, the International Liberty Movement will help organize local and international events, workshops, and political actions.

We intend to promote liberty-minded politicians and candidates from around the world. We intend to arm citizens in their communities, and within their countries with knowledge of creating alternative currencies as a back-up in the event of a world-wide economic collapse.

We believe we are on the verge of a world-wide economic collapse. And that it is orchestrated to get all nations under the control of one government. In the event of a world-wide collapse, we believe - all of us across the world – will be under the control of the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, and the Bank for International Settlements. If this happens, it will be the beginning of the end of our individual and national liberty and sovereignty.

The recent, well publicized speech by European Parliament Member Danial Hannan - a British Conservative with a Hayekian-Austrian analysis of the economic crisis and against the Iraq war - has highlighted the fact that there exists a global set of individuals with a common set of principles. His speech to European Parliament has sparked a movement among many nations for the cause of liberty.

In America, Republican Congressman Ron Paul has espoused the same virtues for many years now, and has sparked a very strong movement in America. These men have inspired in us a strong desire to preserve liberty.

It is our primary goal to work in conjunction with all liberty-minded political leaders from around the world in an effort to let those in control of our economic systems know that we are a FREE people among FREE nations - because that is what we choose for ourselves. We intend to take control of our future from this day forward.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our primary goals include:
1. Dismantling the United Nations
2. Legalizing Competing Currencies => Phasing out fiat central banking
3. Government Confined to purpose of protecting liberty (Courts, Police etc)
4. True Free Trade between free nations with high standards of living

Deborah K
03-30-2009, 04:45 PM
Here is the link to the mission statement thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=186431

Deborah K
03-31-2009, 12:58 PM
hmmm....well.......since I got no feedback from my suggestions, should I assume they suck? :o

ClayTrainor
03-31-2009, 01:06 PM
heh... i thought we just moved on to a new thread :p

i'll have to read these

reduen
03-31-2009, 02:00 PM
hmmm....well.......since I got no feedback from my suggestions, should I assume they suck? :o

lol, at least my offer to help was shot down openly. That way I did not waist my time trying to come up with anything else... ;)

Deborah K
03-31-2009, 02:06 PM
lol, at least my offer to help was shot down openly. That way I did not waist my time trying to come up with anything else... ;)


Your offer to help was shot down? By whom???

Joe3113
03-31-2009, 02:12 PM
lol, at least my offer to help was shot down openly. That way I did not waist my time trying to come up with anything else... ;)

I never shot your offer down. I said we require a professional for the actual design if we are to be taken seriously.

If you are a professional graphics designer then by all means show us what you can do. :o

I havent hired any professional designers yet. We should wait until everyone agrees on something.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-31-2009, 02:14 PM
I never shot your offer down. I said we require a professional for the actual design if we are to be taken seriously.

If you are a professional graphics designer then by all means show us what you can do. :o

I havent hired any professional designers yet. We should wait until everyone agrees on something.

Exactly, It does not have to be unanimous by any means but we do need a good consenus on what we should do with this. Everybody has good idea and has their own vision and when we combine all of this we are going to have something quite incredible on our hands.

reduen
03-31-2009, 02:25 PM
Yeah I had this same idea.

I'm organising a professional design at the moment. So just relax for a sec folks :o


I took this to mean that you were handling it so I just went on to other things... :)

Imperial
03-31-2009, 04:13 PM
I don't like 4 things about the principles on the draft website in my book:

1) I wouldn't just limit the economic ideas to just Austrian. Monetarism has certain arguments that can compete with Austrian when government is accepted. Why not just argue that we reject Keynesian, Command Economies, and the Welfare State? After all, I don't think Adam Smith was an Austrian either(even if the school was not articulated yet).

2) On the UN, I liked how you qualified because of the coercive taxation. I think you should also mention if this goal is not attainable, the judicial and coercive powers of the UN must be limited.

3) I wouldn't be too repetitious with socialist. It becomes almost like slapping neo-conservative around, and almost is becomes an ad hominem rather than a legitimate argument. Where you have socialist central planning just leave out the socialist, b/c you already illustrate that point in the plank on economics. Same under "Socialist" regional unions. This is especially true when we remember that central planning subsumes socialist, communist, and mixed economies.

4) On anti-war, I think you should probably mention the Christian theory of Just War rather than saying anti-war in general. I would also mention aggression is immoral.

Just some thoughts, like the effort!


Mission statement looks pretty good.

Joe3113
03-31-2009, 04:22 PM
I don't like 4 things about the principles on the draft website in my book:

1) I wouldn't just limit the economic ideas to just Austrian. Monetarism has certain arguments that can compete with Austrian when government is accepted. Why not just argue that we reject Keynesian, Command Economies, and the Welfare State? After all, I don't think Adam Smith was an Austrian either(even if the school was not articulated yet).

2) On the UN, I liked how you qualified because of the coercive taxation. I think you should also mention if this goal is not attainable, the judicial and coercive powers of the UN must be limited.

3) I wouldn't be too repetitious with socialist. It becomes almost like slapping neo-conservative around, and almost is becomes an ad hominem rather than a legitimate argument. Where you have socialist central planning just leave out the socialist, b/c you already illustrate that point in the plank on economics. Same under "Socialist" regional unions. This is especially true when we remember that central planning subsumes socialist, communist, and mixed economies.

4) On anti-war, I think you should probably mention the Christian theory of Just War rather than saying anti-war in general. I would also mention aggression is immoral.

Just some thoughts, like the effort!


Mission statement looks pretty good.

Excellent suggestions imo except for supporting monetarism. Milton Friedman openly mocked Mises and he is simply wrong on the business cycle. I will make the changes. assuming folks agree?


In my opinion, if you keep a fiat system of government money, the politicians will eventually declare an emergency and take over the printing press again.

Conza88
03-31-2009, 08:27 PM
I'd only agree with 3)

As for the rest:

Milton Friedman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7pnjzCuSv8): "John Maynard Keynes is unquestionably one of the greatest economists of all time."

No. He and the monetarists can STFO. :)

nayjevin
04-01-2009, 03:05 AM
I never shot your offer down. I said we require a professional for the actual design if we are to be taken seriously.

If you are a professional graphics designer then by all means show us what you can do. :o

I havent hired any professional designers yet. We should wait until everyone agrees on something.

we have plenty of designers who will work for free - if you let them.

nayjevin
04-01-2009, 06:09 AM
John Stossel on graphic design

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqdZCo6vkI

reduen
04-01-2009, 08:51 AM
John Stossel on graphic design

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqdZCo6vkI

Ha...!, this was great...!

(!,) ? :confused:

Deborah K
04-01-2009, 02:43 PM
Bump

fight4liberty
04-01-2009, 09:41 PM
Cool man, I personally don't use lyrics for the videos i make. I use Music as a tool to drive the emotion, while i let our spokesmen for liberty do the lyrical work ;-)

I completely agree with you!!! Putting music with lyrics in the video over the top of either spoken or written text creates competing messages in the same video. The viewer has his attention pulled off of your primary message by the spokesman and put on the lyrics which weakens the primary message. Another example of "unintended consequences".

I listened to the music you are leaning toward using in the video and damn that is good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taVW8Kv2HcQ

fight4liberty (F4L)

Deborah K
04-03-2009, 03:08 PM
Bump for international liberty and NO NWO!!!

LibertyEagle
04-07-2009, 05:34 PM
This looks great, guys. How did I miss this? I'm excited.

reduen
04-07-2009, 06:49 PM
I completely agree with you!!! Putting music with lyrics in the video over the top of either spoken or written text creates competing messages in the same video. The viewer has his attention pulled off of your primary message by the spokesman and put on the lyrics which weakens the primary message. Another example of "unintended consequences".

I listened to the music you are leaning toward using in the video and damn that is good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taVW8Kv2HcQ

fight4liberty (F4L)

I agree! Use this song Clay!! It is one of my favorite in the world.....:cool: