Hillary Unveils Healthcare Plan

[purepaloma]

A cool $110 BILLION dollars a year !

DES MOINES, Iowa - Thirteen years after her first effort at improving the nation's health care was abandoned, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered a new approach that would require every American to have health insurance with federal assistance to help defray the cost.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_health_care;_ylt=AmKfzDh.fQVri_0jKsyfgySs0 NUE

Any response from Ron Paul yet ? Or has he written something on this before?

[tsetsefly]

so how is giving the insurance company a monopoly and even worse subsidizing the cost goig to benefit us, the problem already is that 6 out of 7 american's dont pay the cost of the health care services they use. I hope economist come out and shar with people how inefficient this plan is and how it will only create more problems...

[Santana28]

i'm sorry... i dont see how taxing everyone to pay for blanket required coverage is a better solution than addressing the ROOT causes as to why insurance is so unaffordable in the first place, and working to make it AFFORDABLE to all.

[JMann]

Why not get government out of health care all together and watch the prices fall? I think Boortz is onto it as well by removing (make the coverage an add on) pregnancies from coverage. Insurance is for unexpected cost and pregnancy isn't an unexpected expense. You don't buy insurance to cover expected life events. Pay for your own freaking rug rat's birth and stop charging all your coworkers for you to produce unlimited loin fruit.

[Elwar]

It's only $110 Billion. The government spends money all the time so it shouldn't be such a big deal, they have a lot of money.

Besides, healthcare is a basic human right. Just like education, dental care, manicures, massages, TV sets, computers, Internet.

[ItsTime]

Socialized medicine is MA is already seeing a backlash. MA is already thinking about RAISING GAS TAXES, leasing their bridges to companies, and a few other insane ideas! They say it is for road repair and such, but the real problem is they are paying for a lot of peoples meds.

[Starks]

If money was no object, universal health care would be an amazing solution.

[noxagol]

If you want to lower health care costs, make health insurance illegal, except for catastrophic insurance. People when then start to care how much it costs and prices will drop real quick as doctors start to make no money.

[ItsTime]

If you want to lower health care costs, make health insurance illegal, except for catastrophic insurance. People when then start to care how much it costs and prices will drop real quick as doctors start to make no money.

Ive said that for a long time. With no insurances health care would be priced to what the avg person could afford. :cool:

[ChooseLiberty]

This would never ever pass, but it might work.


If you want to lower health care costs, make health insurance illegal, except for catastrophic insurance. People when then start to care how much it costs and prices will drop real quick as doctors start to make no money.

[ChooseLiberty]

Actually extended warranties are insurance for anticipated costs. Is an extended warranty "free-market".



Why not get government out of health care all together and watch the prices fall? I think Boortz is onto it as well by removing (make the coverage an add on) pregnancies from coverage. Insurance is for unexpected cost and pregnancy isn't an unexpected expense. You don't buy insurance to cover expected life events. Pay for your own freaking rug rat's birth and stop charging all your coworkers for you to produce unlimited loin fruit.

[apropos]

GD lunacy.

[Original_Intent]

OK, first we have the $110 billion in up front costs.

Then we have all these previously uninsured people who now have insurance going to the doctor every time they have a sniffle just like other insured people do.

When you increase demand on a limited good or service, which way do prices go?

Pretty basic economics.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

A cool $110 BILLION dollars a year !

DES MOINES, Iowa - Thirteen years after her first effort at improving the nation's health care was abandoned, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered a new approach that would require every American to have health insurance with federal assistance to help defray the cost.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_health_care;_ylt=AmKfzDh.fQVri_0jKsyfgySs0 NUE

Any response from Ron Paul yet ? Or has he written something on this before?

Seems like no one is mentioning my own beliefs on health care reform, why is that?

Democrats: UNIVERSAL!

Republicans: Status quo!

What about a god damn free market health care system!?!god damnit...

[Manible]

If money was no object, universal health care would be an amazing solution.

It isn't, the feds print it, there's no gold backing.

[huchahucha]

What about a god damn free market health care system!?!god damnit...

Don't worry, that will be the natural progression of a socialized medicine program. Once people start to come to terms with long waiting periods for mediocre service they will start paying for better service on the black market.

[cjhowe]

We claim that a pro-war Republican cannot win in '08...are the Dems trying to test this claim?

[Manible]

Don't worry, that will be the natural progression of a socialized medicine program. Once people start to come to terms with long waiting periods for mediocre service they will start paying for better service on the black market.

Socialized medicine thus far has done way better than the mediocre service the capital-market has given us. The reason we needed HMO's in the first place is because the majority of the people couldn't afford to pay for medical services.

[angelatc]

Insurance is for unexpected cost and pregnancy isn't an unexpected expense.

More than half of them actually are.

[angelatc]

Ive said that for a long time. With no insurances health care would be priced to what the avg person could afford. :cool:

Me too. I was told by an insurance executive that I didn't understand insurance.

I just read an article the other day, pertaining to COBRA coverage, that if you had kids you would absolutely want to maintain your COBRA to be sure all their vaccines were paid for.

Vaccines cost about $80.00. $15.00 at the clinic the hospital has onve every month.

COBRA coverage costs about $400 per month per person. So, explain to me how vaccines alone make it worth while?

[angelatc]

Socialized medicine thus far has done way better than the mediocre service the capital-market has given us. The reason we needed HMO's in the first place is because the majority of the people couldn't afford to pay for medical services.

NO, it hasn't. Before we started socialization in the form of Medicare, Medicaid and tax credits to employers, people paid for their own medical care and only carried major medical policies.

Things were affordable, plus the competition drove America to achieve some of the greatest medical advances of the 20th century.

Socialism always kills innovation, and we've been no exception thus far.

Prepaid Medical accounts are the way to go. The market will adjust to the amount that people can spend.

Getting the government in bed with the insurers guarantees that there is no limit to the amount the government can spend on health care.

[ADGettis]

If you want to lower health care costs, make health insurance illegal, except for catastrophic insurance. People when then start to care how much it costs and prices will drop real quick as doctors start to make no money.

Noxagol,

You are my new best friend! I'm watching from the inside as the practice of pharmacy self-destructs, and it is as clear as day to me that insurance is the leading cause. I have cut people's pharmacy bills by 75% just by getting them to switch to generics, bypassing their insurance, and selling to them in bulk. It saves them money, it saves me time, it boosts my profits, and the insurance company doesn't see a dime of it!

You're exactly right that insurance has made people bad consumers.

[angelatc]

You're exactly right that insurance has made people bad consumers.

Unfortunately the schools have also turned them into idiots, and the government has turned them into sponges.