Antiwar Veteran Adam Kokesh [rph-NOT] Arrested at VA Protest in Washington DC???

[Invalid]

[rphedit - I just got off the phone with Adam. this is a false rumor. He hasn't been in jail in months:p]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86783


Kokesh and other IVAW members wore elements of their Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniforms for a street theatre action marking the fourth anniversary of the Iraq War in March. Kokesh and several other IVAW members were contacted by the Marine Corps and warned of possible disciplinary action for violating military uniform policies by wearing their uniforms to a political demonstration. Kokesh felt that they were being subjected to selective prosecution because of their war protest activities, and replied with a defiant letter (ending it with "[i] ... ask you to please, kindly, go fuck yourself.")and


> [edit] McCain Acceptance Speech Protest
On September 4, 2008, Kokesh interrupted Sen. John McCain's speech accepting the GOP nomination for President. Holding a sign reading "McCain Votes Against Vets" on one side and "You can't win an occupation" on the other,[14] Kokesh yelled, "Ask him why he votes against vets!" A member of the audience grabbed the sign and tore it in two. Kokesh was released shortly after being detained by local police.[15]

What the did McCain say back? Pay no attention to the noise my friends?

[Kludge]

Mr. Kokesh is unable to sleep due to incessant activism. Detainment allows him a chance to rest. The police do it for his own good.

[Zuras]

Ask Kokesh how he likes his "change".

[Philmanoman]

Ask Kokesh how he likes his "change".

he voted obama?

[Kludge]

he voted obama?

I'd be shocked if he did. He was very critical of Obama.

[Philmanoman]

I'd be shocked if he did. He was very critical of Obama.


thats what i was thinkin...i was starting to get sick to my stomache at the thought of it...:eek:

[Zuras]

thats what i was thinkin...i was starting to get sick to my stomache at the thought of it...:eek:


Uhh, I have no idea who he voted for. As far as I know, I don't recall him ever supporting someone in particular. However, he did focus all his protestations on McCain, often using complete lies/distrotions in doing so.

[Kludge]

Uhh, I have no idea who he voted for. As far as I know, I don't recall him ever supporting someone in particular. However, he did focus all his protestations on McCain, often using complete lies/distrotions in doing so.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Adam+Kokesh+Obama

[LibertyEagle]

Uhh, I have no idea who he voted for. As far as I know, I don't recall him ever supporting someone in particular. However, he did focus all his protestations on McCain, often using complete lies/distrotions in doing so.

Like what?

[Philmanoman]

Like what?


I cant post fast enough lol...i was wondering the same...

BTW found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e13szM5MuYE

[Invalid]

I couldn't stand McCain during that campaign. I still can't stand John McCain.

[Zuras]

Like what?

Like saying he voted against something in a huge appropriations-type bill that was laregly filled with pork and singling out a detail in it and saying he voted against it exclusively when McCain votes against pork laden bills almost every time.

I remeber him also saying that McCain voted against the GI bill, which is true but also distortion. He was supporting a different version of the bill that gave more benefits for the longer your tenure with the army instead of a set benefit for a set tenure. Should a person who served the military for 2 years be given the exact same benefits as someone who served 20? I would hope your answer would be no. But kokeidiot just wanted to get hid dumb ass on TV, so he knew the leftist media would be all over a picketing "vet" at anything McCain did.

[Kludge]

It should be noted that Mr. Kokesh is a member here and forum guidelines apply...

[Invalid]

As if McLiar doesn't lie about his pork barrel votes all the time..

I'll be sure and get some examples for you!

[Invalid]

McCain Falsely Claims He Has ‘Never Asked For A Single Earmark Or Pork Barrel Project’ For His State. (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/06/mccain-earmark)

[Invalid]

McCain falsely claims he ‘never voted for a single earmark or pork barrel project.’ (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/24/mccain-falsely-claims-he-never-voted-for-a-single-earmark-or-pork-barrel-project)

[Invalid]

McCain pledges during 2008 campaign against Obama to eliminate all earmarks. (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/16/mccain-aid-israel/)


McCain does not identify the $65 billion in earmarks. In a conference call with reporters yesterday, McCain economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said that McCain’s plan to eliminate earmarks uses the Congressional Research Service’s (CRS) definition of the term. According to an analysis by Center for American Progress Senior Fellow Scott Lilly, that CRS report identifies $52 billion per year which qualifies as earmark spending (Read the analysis here).

The problem is that the CRS — the group Holtz-Eakin cited as the basis for McCain’s earmark elimination plan — says that U.S. aid to Israel is considered an earmark:

Several special characteristics of the practice of earmarking in Foreign Operations bills are worth noting. Some observers define earmarks in a more limited way, identifying only provisions that direct spending for items not requested by the Administration or in excess of levels proposed for activities or countries. Although many Foreign Operations earmarks fall within this more narrow definition, congressional directives specifying spending amounts that are the same as shown in the Administration’s illustrative listing for country distributions also are regarded as earmarks. Annual earmarks for economic and military aid to Israel and Egypt are examples of such directives.

So is McCain’s plan to cut earmarks a pledge to eliminate all aid to Israel?

[Zuras]

Are you a Kokesh meatpuppet, Invalid?

[Invalid]

McCain says he wasn't serious about eliminating all earmarks jsut the ones he deems un worthy. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Earmarks_for_Israel.html)

[Invalid]

Are you a Kokesh meatpuppet, Invalid?

Nope, I just recall McCain constantly lying about earmarks during the campaign. I'm still searching for the main story I want to find on it,

[Zuras]

Nope, I just recall McCain constantly lying about earmarks during the campaign. I'm still searching for the main story I want to find on it,

Might I suggest the Daily Kos or Huffington Compost? You'd fit in smashingly.

[Invalid]

McCain's fantasy war on earmarks. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/mccains_fantasy_war_on_earmark.html)


"I can eliminate $100 billion of wasteful and earmark spending immediately--35 billion in big spending bills in the last two years, and another 65 billion that has already been made a permanent part of the budget."
--John McCain, NPR All Things Considered, April 23, 2008.



but there wasn't any where near that much to eliminate nor did McCain actually favor getting rid of most of it when asked about the specific stuff he wanted to eliminate.


The CRS study breaks down earmarks by different government departments, without giving a global figure. According to Scott Lilly, a former Democratic appropriations staffer now with the Center for American Progress Action Fund, the CRS study identifies a total of $52 billion in earmarks for a single year. However, much of this money is tied to items such as foreign aid to countries like Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, that McCain says he will not touch.

By most definitions of the term, the amount of money spent on earmarks is much lower than the CRS study. The Office for Management and the Budget came up with a figure for $16.9 billion in the 2008 appropriation bills. Taxpayers for Commonsense, an independent watchdog group that focuses on wasteful spending, identified $18.3 billion worth of earmarks in the 2008 bills, a 23 per cent cut from a record $23.6 billion set in 2005.

How much of this $18.3 billion could be eliminated is a "difficult question that we have not yet figured out," said Taxpayers for Commonsense vice-president Steve Ellis. The figure includes such items as $4 billion for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which could not be eliminated without halting hundreds of construction projects around the country. Another big chunk goes to military construction, including housing for servicemen and their families, which McCain has also promised not to touch.

Bruce Riedl, a budget analyst with the Heritage Foundation, says it might be possible to eliminate roughly half the expenditure on earmarks every year, i.e. around $9 billion, using the Taxpayers for Commonsense figures. He identified $5 billion in Community Development Block Grant funds, most of which goes to local governments, as a prime target for cuts. Even if earmarks were eliminated altogether, many other expenditures would have to be shifted to other parts of the budget.

[Invalid]

Zuras,

Hold tight, I'm still searching for the story I really want to find on McLiar regarding earmarks. But while you're waiting maybe you should leave this site since you'd fit in better at Rushlimbaugh or Redstate?

[Zuras]

Zuras,

Hold tight, I'm still searching for the story I really want to find on McLiar regarding earmarks. But while you're waiting maybe you should leave this site since you'd fit in better at Rushlimbaugh or Redstate?

You are. I knew it. You are a lefty plant. Busted, troll.

[Invalid]

McLiar bends his primary campaign reform pledge of eliminating all earmarks. (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/24/mccain-earmark-bend/)


On the campaign trail, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) makes a big show of claiming that he is the “worst nightmare” of Congressional spending and that if elected, he “will veto every bill with earmarks.” At the same time, McCain’s campaign has said it will “cut some $160 billion in discretionary spending” out of the budget, including $95 billion that “began life as an earmark

and


But in an interview with NPR’s Robert Siegel yesterday, McCain bent his earmark elimination pledge, indicating that he would consider making an exception for projects like the Gee’s Bend ferry that he recently visited in Alabama:

SIEGEL: Why should voters, particularly in those places, believe that you’d do any better by them than other politicians, especially when you might even take away the earmarks that might bring them a new construction project or something like that?

SEN. MCCAIN: I can assure them that the earmarks that they have received, which have been few and far between because they are not represented by powerful lobbyists and special interests in Washington, that we will judge any expenditure of the American people’s tax dollars on the basis of need. Someone pointed out several earmarks that have been fortunately gifted to some of the neediest people in comparison to the earmarks that have gone, first of all. For an example, at Gee’s Bend they put in a ferry a couple years ago, and that was an earmark


and


Just as with his false claim that he is “the only one the special interests don’t give any money to,” McCain has a credibility gap whenever he makes a sweeping statement that he will eliminate all earmarks.

As Think Progress has noted, in order to fulfill his pledge, McCain would need to cut U.S. aid for Israel and military housing. Faced with this reality earlier this week, McCain told ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos that he would make an exception for such programs.

Thus far, McCain refuses to “name programs he’ll cut” and when challenged on particular programs, he seems to always make an exception. Is that what he calls “straight talk?”

[Invalid]

You are. I knew it. You are a lefty plant. Busted, troll.

Moron, I'm not new. I have multple accounts here.

[Kludge]

Moron, I'm not new. I have multple accounts here.

o.O


The lot of you look like sock puppets to me.

[Zuras]

Moron, I'm not new. I have multple accounts here.

Yes, yes, I have already covered the fact you are a meatpuppet. I didn't need a ouija board for that.

[Invalid]

Yes, yes, we have already covered the fact you are a meatpuppet. I didn't need a ouija board for that.

What exactly is a meat puppet btw? That sounds like a homosexual connotation to me?

[Invalid]

Yes, yes, I have already covered the fact you are a meatpuppet. I didn't need a ouija board for that.

I love how you just joined the board yet you're accusing other people of being trolls because you have been here for an extra month. Are you a McCain troll who came here after McLiar lost?

[Zuras]

What exactly is a meat puppet btw? That sounds like a homosexual connotation to me?

It's an old MUD term for sock puppets.

[Kludge]

In case anyone was wondering, multiple accounts are not permitted on RPFs...


Just to be clear, multiple accounts per person are not allowed but I did make an exception for Dr. Yongrel and Dr. Amy since it was obvious what their other account is. We really don't want 500+ new Dr. accounts so future ones will be limited or not allowed. Sorry everyone. :)

[Invalid]

It's an old MUD term for sock puppets.

I love how you just joined the board yet you're accusing other people of being trolls because you have been here for an extra month. Are you a McCain troll who came here after McLiar lost?



Once again- why are you claiming to be a veteran Ron Paul supporter and pulling rank on people just because you've been here for two months?

[nobody's_hero]

Zuras,

Adam Kokesh spent more time campaigning for people to vote 3rd party than any other anti-war activist I know of. I find it highly unlikely that he voted for Obama (or McCain, for that matter).

But, seeing as this is now the rHATEution, let's not let the lack of fact-based analysis interrupt our unwarranted disdain for others in this movement.

[Kludge]

It's an old MUD term for sock puppets.


I love how you just joined the board yet you're accusing other people of being trolls because you have been here for an extra month. Are you a McCain troll who came here after McLiar lost?

Once again- why are you claiming to be a veteran Ron Paul supporter and pulling rank on people just because you've been here for two months?

Are you both Wonkette trolls?

[Invalid]

Well this Zuras guy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. McCain trolls come here, and accuse Ron Paul supporters of being meat puppets.

This is very ironic.

[TER]

So let me get this straight. A supposed liberty loving conservative Ron Paul supporter who has been on this forum for a whole 2 months is degrading Adam Kokesh and defending McWar?

This is a joke, right?

[Invalid]

So let me get this straight. A supposed liberty loving conservative Ron Paul supporter who has been on this forum for a whole 2 months is degrading Adam Kokesh and defending McWar?

This is a joke, right?

Yes, he's been here 2-3 months, yet he's pulling rank on me because he claims he is a veteran Ron Paul supporter who is obliged to defend the McLiar.

Keep in mind, I'm not the one who accused him of being new. He brought the topic up.

[Kludge]

This is a joke, right?

Hell if I know... ;)

[GunnyFreedom]

IMHO, McCain is guilty of High Treason, and deserves to be tried in a legal court of law, and legally hanged on the Washington Mall. Obama is an evil socialist foreign national, and McCain is an evil socialist traitor. The only idiots around here, are those who thought that the two of these constituted a 'choice' of any kind. :mad:

[ClayTrainor]

So did Adam get arrested? I don't see that in the article or video anywhere. It says someone named Schmidt got arrested.

Is adam behind bars right now?

[Zuras]

So let me get this straight. A supposed liberty loving conservative Ron Paul supporter who has been on this forum for a whole 2 months is degrading Adam Kokesh and defending McWar?

This is a joke, right?


You can make your points without demagoguery and obfuscation. It's not hard, assuming you even have a valid point to begin with, which is almost invariably the problem. There plenty of issues you can attack McCain without coming up with BS like " he voted against the GI bill". I don't think Ron Paul needs any Goebbels.


And supporting Ron Paul is not some kind of acid test of a good person, nor is someone posting here an acid test for being an RP supporter. Make what you will of either of those.

[TER]

You can make your points without demagoguery and obfuscation. It's not hard, assuming you even have a valid point to begin with, which is almost invariably the problem. There plenty of issues you can attack McCain without coming up with BS like " he voted against the GI bill". I don't think Ron Paul needs any Goebbels.


And supporting Ron Paul is not some kind of acid test of a good person, nor is someone posting here an acid test for being an RP supporter. Make what you will of either of those.

Okay, I will. You are a troll.

[Invalid]

You can make your points without demagogoury andobfuscation. It's not had, assuming you even have a point. There are also plenty of issues you can attack McCain without coming up with BS like " he voted against the GI bill". I don't think Ron Paul needs any Goebbels.


And supporting Ron Paul is not some kind of acid test of a good person, nor is someone posting here an acid test for being an RP supporter. Make what you will of either of those.

My point was that I followed McCain's earmark statements extremely closely during the campaign, and everything McLiar said was a complete distortion. ThinkProgress had a near constant stream for months on end of McCain earmarks statements that made no sense what so ever. What was even more ironic about it was that it was the center piece of his domestic agenda.

His record on earmarks made even less sense than his statements on immigration, which no one except Lindsey Graham knew what the hell he was talking about.

Honestly I don't know why you bother defending that clown, but seriously who cares about McCain so long as he isn't the nominee again in 2012, which is possible. What we need is warcrimes trials into the corrupt Bush-administration before it's too late.

[GunnyFreedom]

okay, i will. You are a troll.

lol +1 :D

[Zuras]

Okay, I will. You are a troll.

You are under a bridge.

[GunnyFreedom]

Furthermore, McCain has the WORST record in the entire Senate on Veterans and POW affairs. :mad: :mad: How DARE he forcibly remove the grieving families of known-alive POW's in Cambodia during a Senate hearing he chaired on POW affairs??!!?? What was he trying to hide?

[Invalid]

Zuras- do you favor war crimes trials for Bush?

[nobody's_hero]

Okay, well, this is an image that appears on an entry at kokesh.blogspot.com:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_GEo0BrZlaCo/SIqKWzpfdPI/AAAAAAAAADU/jM_sr9u0pTU/s400/Spineless+Dems.jpg

Kokesh sounds less and less like an Obama supporter, and Zuras sounds more and more like a troll.

[TER]

You are under a bridge.

?
Your a silly troll.

[Zuras]

My point was that I followed McCain's earmark statements extremely closely during the campaign, and everything McLiar said was a complete distortion. ThinkProgress had a near constant stream for months on end of McCain earmarks statements that made no sense what so ever. What was even more ironic about it was that it was the center piece of his domestic agenda.

His record on earmarks made even less sense than his statements on immigration, which no one except Lindsey Graham knew what the hell he was talking about.

Honestly I don't know why you bother defending that clown, but seriously who cares about McCain so long as he isn't the nominee again in 2012, which is possible. What we need is warcrimes trials into the corrupt Bush-administration before it's too late.

I'm not defending McCain. I take issue with people who pervert the truth, and moronic tools who spew into a meme. And I'm sure that investigating the Bush admin is all the rage over at the craptacular lefty forums you frequent, who are too busy currently trying to wag as many dogs as possible to keep even the most stupid american still believing anything the leftist obama trash policies currently shitting on their heads is really ambrosia from the God(s).

[Invalid]

I'm not defending McCain. I take issue with people who pervert the truth, and moronic tools who spew into a meme. And I'm sure that investigating the Bush admin is all the rage over at the craptacular lefty forums you frequent, who are too busy currently trying to wag as many dogs as possible to keep even the most stupid american still belieiving anything the lestist obama trash shitting on their heads is really ambrosia.

Bush is a war criminal. Why don't you support bringing him to justice? He's even admitted to torture and violating Geneva conventions in his interviews as of 2 months ago for the first time ever.


Bush breaks wall of silence, admits to authorizing torture as of January 11th, 2009 to preempt investigations. (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/11/bush-authorized-torture/)

Bush also ran an extraordinary rendition program, which was new under his administration in which he sent abductees to foreign countries to be tortured.

[ClayTrainor]

Kokesh isn't an Obama supporter, whoever is saying that has no idea wtf they're talking about.

Can someone please tell me if Adam is behind bars right now?

[Invalid]

Kokesh isn't an Obama supporter, whoever is saying that has no idea wtf they're talking about.

Can someone please tell me if Adam is behind bars right now?

I changed the title from the DailyPaul by adding a question mark because I didn't know why they had that title.

[GunnyFreedom]

Kokesh is NOT in jail. 2 minutes ago from Facebook:

"Adam Kokesh is set up at 23rd and Constitution for the ANSWER rally! Say no to occupation!"

[Invalid]

More documents (http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/607-additional-documents-link-bush-directly-to-guantanamo-torture.html) linking Bush to torture.


But if making up and lying us into a fake-war isn't enough to prosecute, check out this video of what Bush did at his extraordinary rendition sites. Rachel Madow talks about new Red Cross Report. (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-mark-danner-red-cross-report-torture)

This isn't "just waterboarding." This is really demented stuff Bush had people doing in some of these countries.

[Invalid]

Direct link to video in windows media player of Madow talking about the Red Cross cross report (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/media/play/wmv/7605/26746)

[Zuras]

More documents (http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/607-additional-documents-link-bush-directly-to-guantanamo-torture.html) linking Bush to torture.


But if making up a fake-war isn't enough, check out this video of what Bush did at his extraordinary rendition sites. Rachel Madow talks about new Red Cross Report. (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-mark-danner-red-cross-report-torture)

This isn't "just waterboarding." This is really demented stuff Bush had people doing in some of these countries.

Rachel Maddow? LOL. Dude, you are sarcasm incarnate. And the funniest thing is you still don't get it. Too busy beating your little blue meat over some more agitprop. I got news for your, jackass. Bush is gone and McCain is irrelevant, but we have a colossal moron at the helm named Darth Odumba.

[Invalid]

Rachel Maddow? LOL. Dude, you are a sarcasm incarnate. And the funniest thing is you still don't get it. Too busy beating your little blue meat over some more aggitprop.

You're a clown? If all want to hear is the Rush Limbaugh opinion, then go back to RushLimbaugh forums and Sean Hannity forums. btw- did you actually watch Madow's clip I posted

How can you not support war crimes trials for Bush?

[Zuras]

You're a clown? If all want to hear is the Rush Limbaugh opinion, then go back to RushLimbaugh forums and Sean Hannity forums. btw- did you actually watch Madow's clip I posted

How can you not support war crimes trials for Bush?

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Ya, we heard it for 6 years now. Welcome to 2009.

[GunnyFreedom]

ACLU: [Obama] Justice Department Adheres To Key Elements Of Bush Administration Detention Policy (3/13/2009)

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/39012prs20090313.html?s_src=RSS

ABC News: Obama Administration Maintains Bush Position on 'Extraordinary Rendition' Lawsuit

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/obama-administr.html

Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU said of the decision: “Eric Holder’s Justice Department stood up in court today and said that it would continue the Bush policy of invoking state secrets to hide the reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change. This is definitely more of the same. Candidate Obama ran on a platform that would reform the abuse of state secrets, but President Obama’s Justice Department has disappointingly reneged on that important civil liberties issue. If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again.”

Ben Wizner, a staff attorney with the ACLU, who argued the case for the plaintiffs said, “We are shocked and deeply disappointed that the Justice Department has chosen to continue the Bush administration’s practice of dodging judicial scrutiny of extraordinary rendition and torture. This was an opportunity for the new administration to act on its condemnation of torture and rendition, but instead it has chosen to stay the course. Now we must hope that the court will assert its independence by rejecting the government’s false claims of state secrets and allowing the victims of torture and rendition their day in court.”

[Invalid]

Rachel Maddow? LOL. Dude, you are sarcasm incarnate. And the funniest thing is you still don't get it. Too busy beating your little blue meat over some more agitprop. I got news for your, jackass. Bush is gone and McCain is irrelevant, but we have a colossal moron at the helm named Darth Odumba.

Ya I agree that Obama sucks. I voted for Chuck Baldwin for your information since you continue to call me a liberal. LAUGH!

However, Obama is not a war criminal so even though I dislike him, he's not enemy #1.

In order to flush the neocons out of our party, we have to bring Bush regime to justice, and run all the neocon pundits out of our party. Neocons must be destroyed. We could go to the insane asylum and find better party leaders than Bush-Cheney. That Redstate site is a communist website for all practical purposes. The RNC is totally screwed up not worth taking seriously either.

Do YOU get it? If you don't then you've either been tone deaf throughout the entire Ron Paul campaign or you're a Mccain troll who came here to cause trouble. I think you're the latter.

You seem to be a pro-torture McCain troll too since you continue to defend the Bush crime family.

[kathy88]

I'm kinda confused and speechless after reading all of this. You can't seriously think that coming on the forums and defending McCain is a good idea?

[GunnyFreedom]

McCain is a traitor, Obama is a liar, Bush is a criminal, and Zuras is a troll.

ADAM KOKESH IS NOT IN JAIL

'nuff said. :rolleyes:

[Invalid]

ACLU: [Obama] Justice Department Adheres To Key Elements Of Bush Administration Detention Policy (3/13/2009)

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/39012prs20090313.html?s_src=RSS

ABC News: Obama Administration Maintains Bush Position on 'Extraordinary Rendition' Lawsuit

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/obama-administr.html

Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU said of the decision: “Eric Holder’s Justice Department stood up in court today and said that it would continue the Bush policy of invoking state secrets to hide the reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change. This is definitely more of the same. Candidate Obama ran on a platform that would reform the abuse of state secrets, but President Obama’s Justice Department has disappointingly reneged on that important civil liberties issue. If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again.”

Ben Wizner, a staff attorney with the ACLU, who argued the case for the plaintiffs said, “We are shocked and deeply disappointed that the Justice Department has chosen to continue the Bush administration’s practice of dodging judicial scrutiny of extraordinary rendition and torture. This was an opportunity for the new administration to act on its condemnation of torture and rendition, but instead it has chosen to stay the course. Now we must hope that the court will assert its independence by rejecting the government’s false claims of state secrets and allowing the victims of torture and rendition their day in court.”




It was my understanding that Obama clarified his position. He will continue rendition, which is a Clinton era program. There is nothing wrong with renditions, and the two concepts are totally unrelated dispite sounding the same.

What Obama has pledged to end extraordinary rendition. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not trying to defend him, but this is my understanding of his position.

[Zuras]

McCain is a traitor, Obama is a liar, Bush is a criminal, and Zuras is a troll.

ADAM KOKESH IS NOT IN JAIL

'nuff said. :rolleyes:

And you suck. Neener-neener. I'm a troll for demanding people be honest? Screw you and don't ever dare call yourself libertarian. None of the libertarians I know are lieing trash who believe the ends justify the means. Funny that here it is so common a thought paradigm

[Invalid]

And you suck. Neener-neener. I'm a troll for demanding people be honest? Screw you. None of the libertarians I know are lieing trash who believe the ends justify the means. Funny that here it is so common a thought.

You mean like McLiar was doing regarding his earmarks record throughout the entire compaign. He made it up on the spot. He would make an outragous claim that even the reported were like what is this guy talking about because that can not possibly be true.

[Invalid]

Btw- you're taking offense that some mad Iraq Vet who was lied into a fake-war messed up an earmarks statement despite McCain not making any sense when he talks about earmarks himself yet it doesn't bother you that the Bush torture regime hasn't been brough to justice? Maybe it's your goal to just forget about the crimes of past neocons, and just put more neocons in office in 2012 and ignore tha past.

So go back to RushLimbaugh forums and focus on Odumbo instead if that's what you want...

[GunnyFreedom]

And you suck. Neener-neener. I'm a troll for demanding people by honest? Screw you. None of the libertarians I know are lieing trash who believe the ends justify the means. Funny that here it is so common a thought.

LOL, "demanding people be honest" no way fella - you are demanding that people buy into your lies, or perhaps the lies that you spew which you actually believe (God alone only knows how anybody can believe that insanity!).

We are too smart for that, so you slander us with names like "liberal" and "libertarian" the way that treasonous bastard traitor McCain did to the only REAL REPUBLICAN in 2008, Ron Paul.

You idiot Trotskyite radical leftist Neocons are being dumped from the party wholesale, and you don't like it. TOO BAD! :D

Don't expect Robert Taft to mourn your loss.
Don't expect Barry Goldwater to mourn your loss.
Don't expect the CONSTITUTIONALISTS taking BACK the GOP from you Communists to mourn your loss.

:D

[Zuras]

You mean like McLiar was doing regarding his earmarks record throughout the entire compaign. He made it up on the spot. He would make an outragous claim that even the reported were like what is this guy talking about because that can not possibly be true.

Dude, Obama has lied more in a month than McCain has his whole life, and he's the god damn president! The fact you cannot grok this indicates, not that anyone with a single functioning brain cell in their head needed any more indicators, you are a lefty plant here.

[Invalid]

Dude, Obama has lied more in a month than McCain has his whole life. The fact you cannot grok this indicates, not that anyone with a single functioning brain cell in their head needed any more indicators, you are a lefty plant here.

Well dude...I didn't vote for him.

Honestly, Bush ran the country, the party, etc into the ground so maybe you should blame him rather than the Obama supporters who were like anyone but the republicans! That was, afterall, Obama's main campaign slogan. This party can not function so long as the neocons run the party.

Bush's war crimes have gone unpunished. Before we can rebuild the party, we need to bring closure to the Bush years.

[chudrockz]

Hi guys.

Yep, I'm another lefty plant who think's Zuras is a TROLL.

I'm a lefty who voted for Chuck Baldwin.

Us damned liberals gotta stick together!

[GunnyFreedom]

Dude, Obama has lied more in a month than McCain has his whole life, and he's the god damn president! The fact you cannot grok this indicates, not that anyone with a single functioning brain cell in their head needed any more indicators, you are a lefty plant here.

Neither Bush, McCain, NOR Obama can open their mouths without lying. Why is it OK with you for Bush to lie, but wrong for Obama? Where is your integrity?

if it's OK for Bush to lie, then it's OK for Obama to lie also.
if it's WRONG for Obama to lie, then it's WRONG for Bush to lie also.

Why is it OK for the Neocon Socialist to lie, but somehow wrong for the Neolib Socialist to lie?

Zuras, you are a hypocrite of the highest order!

LYING IS WRONG, PERIOD. Obama lied, and continues to lie, he is dead wrong. Bush lied, and continues to lie, he is dead wrong.

How is that so confusing??

[GunnyFreedom]

Well dude...I didn't vote for him.

Honestly, Bush ran the country, the party, etc into the ground so maybe you should blame him rather than the Obama supporters who were like anyone but the republicans! That was, afterall, Obama's main campaign slogan. This party can not function so long as the neocons run the party.

Bush's war crimes have gone unpunished. Before we can rebuild the party, we need to bring closure to the Bush years.

this.

[Invalid]

Scott Horton from Harper's magazine covered the LATimes claim that Obama supports extraordinary rendition, which was the initial source of all these claims he supports torture.

link here: the LATimes got punked. (http://harpers.org/archive/2009/02/hbc-90004326)


In a breathless piece of reporting in the Sunday Los Angeles Times, we are told that Barack Obama “left intact” a “controversial counter-terrorism tool” called renditions. Moreover, the Times states, quoting unnamed “current and former U.S. intelligence figures,” Obama may actually be planning to expand the program. The report notes the existence of a European Parliament report condemning the practice, but states “the Obama Administration appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component of the Bush Administration’s war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard.”

The Los Angeles Times just got punked. Its description of the European Parliament’s report is not accurate. (Point of disclosure: I served as an expert witness in hearings leading to the report.) But that’s the least of its problems. It misses the difference between the renditions program, which has been around since the Bush 41 Administration at least (and arguably in some form even in the Reagan Administration) and the extraordinary renditions program which was introduced by Bush 43 and clearly shut down under an executive order issued by President Obama in his first week.



Frankly, if Obama is engaging in extraordinary renditions, he needs to be tried with Bush.

[Zuras]

Neither Bush, McCain, NOR Obama can open their mouths without lying. Why is it OK with you for Bush to lie, but wrong for Obama? Where is your integrity?

if it's OK for Bush to lie, then it's OK for Obama to lie also.
if it's WRONG for Obama to lie, then it's WRONG for Bush to lie also.

Why is it OK for the Neocon Socialist to lie, but somehow wrong for the Neolib Socialist to lie?

Zuras, you are a hypocrite of the highest order!

LYING IS WRONG, PERIOD. Obama lied, and continues to lie, he is dead wrong. Bush lied, and continues to lie, he is dead wrong.

How is that so confusing??


How am I hypocrite? I was the one who actually fucking compared the two of them as two turds in the same toilet. Duh? Only difference is: one of them is the god damn president, and the other one is a footnote in history. I'm not a hypocrite, you are just an illiterate.

[GunnyFreedom]

Scott Horton from Harper's magazine covered the LATimes claim that Obama supports extraordinary rendition, which was the initial source of all these claims he supports torture.

link here: the LATimes got punked. (http://harpers.org/archive/2009/02/hbc-90004326)





Frankly, if Obama is engaging in extraordinary renditions, he needs to be tried with Bush.

um. It wasn't the LATimes who claimed that Obama supports the Bush torture and rendition policy; it was the Executive Director of the ACLU, Anthony D. Romero. :rolleyes:

And yes, he does need to be tried with Bush.

[GunnyFreedom]

How am I hypocrite? I was the one who actually fucking compared the two of them as two turds in the same toilet. Duh? Only difference is: one of them is the god damn president, and the other one is a footnote in history. I'm not a hypocrite, you are just an illiterate.

LOL, do you think we are STUPID? We are not MSM zombie-fied sheep who always forget the last 5 minutes. Your entire position in this thread has been defending Bush and McCain. You think you can re-write HISTORY that you yourself authored within the last HOUR??

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! :D :D :D

[Invalid]

How am I hypocrite? I was the one who actually fucking compared the two of them as two turds in the same toilet. Duh? Only difference is: one of them is the god damn president, and the other one is a footnote in history. I'm not a hypocrite, you are just an illiterate.


But you are PETTY...

You're petty because you take offense at an Iraq war vet who was no less confused than McCain was about earmarks (at most) yet you dismiss the idea of actually bringing a war criminal like Bush to justice while telling those concerned to focus on Obama!

We don't like Obama! We didn't vote for Obama! Get that through your thick skull.

[Zuras]

LOL, do you think we are STUPID? We are not MSM zombie-fied sheep who always forget the last 5 minutes. Your entire position in this thread has been defending Bush and McCain. You think you can re-write HISTORY that you yourself authored within the last HOUR??

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! :D :D :D

I haven't defended McCain and deifnitely not Bush in this entire thread. So I don't think you are stupid, I know you are stupid.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! :D :D :D
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[Invalid]

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Ya, we heard it for 6 years now. Welcome to 2009.



McCain-Bush Troll go away

[sailor]

Speaking of Kokesh is there a podcast of his interview at WZBH avaliable already now?

[GunnyFreedom]

I haven't defended McCain and deifnitely not Bush in this entire thread. So I don't think you are stupid, I know you are stupid.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! :D :D :D
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! :D :D :D


Dude, Obama has lied more in a month than McCain has his whole life, and he's the god damn president! The fact you cannot grok this indicates, not that anyone with a single functioning brain cell in their head needed any more indicators, you are a lefty plant here.


Like saying he voted against something in a huge appropriations-type bill that was laregly filled with pork and singling out a detail in it and saying he voted against it exclusively when McCain votes against pork laden bills almost every time.

I remeber him also saying that McCain voted against the GI bill, which is true but also distortion. He was supporting a different version of the bill that gave more benefits for the longer your tenure with the army instead of a set benefit for a set tenure. Should a person who served the military for 2 years be given the exact same benefits as someone who served 20? I would hope your answer would be no. But kokeidiot just wanted to get hid dumb ass on TV, so he knew the leftist media would be all over a picketing "vet" at anything McCain did.


Uhh, I have no idea who he voted for. As far as I know, I don't recall him ever supporting someone in particular. However, he did focus all his protestations on McCain, often using complete lies/distrotions in doing so.

Hmmm...

[Zuras]

McCain-Bush Troll go away

LOL. You brought up bush, and you brought up all this crap about McCain and earmarks out of left field. Me thinks you doth protest too much.

[GunnyFreedom]

Ask Kokesh how he likes his "change".

Yeah, OKaaay there fella. you aren't a traitor McCain guy. :rolleyes:

[Zuras]

Hmmm...

Hmmmm, what? I was demonstrating to Liberty Eagle why I took issue with Kokesh's methods. Illiterate.

[GunnyFreedom]

Hmmmm, what? I was demonstrating to Liberty Eagle why I took issue with Kokesh's methods. Illiterate.

Sorry, troll. Most all of us have been there before. We, being REPUBLICANS, have been told a thousand times that Obama is 'our fault' because we rejected McCain.

We recognize your rhetoric from 500 yards. On iron sights. :D

[Invalid]

The problem is McCain perverted the truth on earmarks for his entire campaign yet you're attack Kokesh.

Also you apparently see nothing wrong with having a war criminal as an ex-president.

[Zuras]

Yeah, OKaaay there fella. you aren't a traitor McCain guy. :rolleyes:

I don't like the obfuscationists/popagandists. I don't care if they agree with me politically. I do not believe the ends justify the means. And I sure don't give a damn what a moron like you thinks. Okay there, fella?

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't like the obfuscationists/popagandists. I don't care if they agree with me politically. I do not believe the ends justify the means. And I sure don't give a damn what a moron like you thinks. Okay there, fella?

as if calling the truth: "obfuscation/propaganda" is not rhetorical propaganda in and of itself? hypocrite!

[pcosmar]

Hmmmm, what? I was demonstrating to Liberty Eagle why I took issue with Kokesh's methods. Illiterate.

Just what is your purpose here?

The forum owners take the position that there are no trolls. I do not entirely agree, but I respect their position.
You have a habit of taking the Neo-Con position and talking points. I have never seen you add anything constructive to the conversation. Your posts are generally divisive or distracting.

SO, What is your purpose here?

[GunnyFreedom]

Just what is your purpose here?

The forum owners take the position that there are no trolls. I do not entirely agree, but I respect their position.
You have a habit of taking the Neo-Con position and talking points. I have never seen you add anything constructive to the conversation. Your posts are generally divisive or distracting.

SO, What is your purpose here?

To help us, by demonstrating for the world how out of touch the Neocons really are? :confused:

[Zuras]

as if calling the truth: "obfuscation/propaganda" is not rhetorical propaganda in and of itself? hypocrite!

Truth? Sure. An ounce of truth per ton of lie.

[Invalid]

Truth? Sure. An ounce of truth per ton of lie.

Are you a Reagan supporter too? Still drinking from the vomit trough of the Ronnie Legacy as Limbaugh instructs you?

[GunnyFreedom]

Truth? Sure. An ounce of truth per ton of lie.

Well, thanks for the self description. It really does help us to know how to deal with you. However, in order to maximize your inefficiency, if I were you, I'd make that your tagline.

You see where mine says, "Franklin GOP 1stViceChair"

You would be well served to make yours, "An ounce of truth per ton of lie."

At least then we'd know what we were getting into when we attempt to engage you in rational discussion. :D

[Kludge]

Where be them mods?

[Zuras]

Just what is your purpose here?

The forum owners take the position that there are no trolls. I do not entirely agree, but I respect their position.

Considering what I've seen of you, it's no surprise you do not agree with that position. LOL



You have a habit of taking the Neo-Con position and talking points. I have never seen you add anything constructive to the conversation. Your posts are generally divisive or distracting.

SO, What is your purpose here?

My purpose her is to expose frauds like you, who are not libertarians, don't actually suppport RP, don't know wtf they are talking about and, in general, do more to misinform than inform.

[Invalid]

I've noticed the neocons worship Ronald Reagan because he was the first administration that they thoroughly parasited into. It's almost a religion of sorts.

I think we need to smash their golden cow before the party can effectively move forward. As long as this guy (or gasp war criminal Bush) is held on a pedistal, our party will always resemble its current speudo-communist approach.

What really needs to happen is war crimes trials for Bush so we can smash these people out of the party for good though.

[Invalid]

Considering what I've seen of you, it's no surprise you do not agree with that position. LOL



My purpose her is to expose frauds like you, who are not libertarians, don't actually suppport RP, don't know wtf they are talking about and, in general, do more to misinform than inform.

This coming from someone who just joined the Ron Paul forums yet who is calling out others for being new to the forums as fake-Ron Paul supporters?

Maybe you should have been campaigning for Ron Paul and later Chuck Baldwin who Ron Paul endorsed if you actually wanted to help the movement rather than trolling here to defend McCain-Bush.

[pcosmar]

Where be them mods?

They are around, they watch quietly and patiently. ;)
I am no Mod. don't think I have the temperament or patience for it.
I am a hunter. :cool:

[Reason]

How is it that you guys don't understand that feeding a troll is what the troll wants...

[pcosmar]

My purpose her is to expose frauds like you, who are not libertarians, don't actually suppport RP, don't know wtf they are talking about and, in general, do more to misinform than inform.

ME..,,ok :rolleyes:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2342/1799847392_ae6fd15125.jpg?v=0

[ronpaulhawaii]

Where be them mods?

Yawwwnnnn.... Strectccchhhh... ugh... coffee...

Zuras is taking the weekend off to consider civil behavior and maybe s/he'll get a chance to READ THE GUIDLELINES!!!

[pcosmar]

Good morning.
Sorry didn't mean to wake you.

Thank you though :)

[MelissaCato]

Kokesh isn't an Obama supporter, whoever is saying that has no idea wtf they're talking about.

Can someone please tell me if Adam is behind bars right now?

I agree Kokesh isn't an Obama supporter. He did a speech once I remember about Obama and his "change".

I agree with WTF too. :D

I hope he's not behind bars.

[angelatc]

His record on earmarks made even less sense than his statements on immigration, which no one except Lindsey Graham knew what the hell he was talking about.



Speaking of McCainisms - during a “Twitter interview” with Stephanopoulous , he wrote:

“i would have never bailed out AIG, the real scandal is billions to foreign banks.”

Stephanopoulous wrote: “Right, but didn’t you vote for first TARP, which went to AIG?”

McCain replied: “voted for first tarp but that doesn’t mean i voted to bail out AIG.”

And then he quickly followed up:

“i voted for first tarp but that doesn’t mean i voted to bail out AIG.”

[GunnyFreedom]

I agree Kokesh isn't an Obama supporter. He did a speech once I remember about Obama and his "change".

I agree with WTF too. :D

I hope he's not behind bars.

Kokesh is NOT in jail. 8:36 AM EST from Facebook:

"Adam Kokesh is set up at 23rd and Constitution for the ANSWER rally! Say no to occupation!"

[Invalid]

We need to completely defund the military industrial complex. I don't think any president should ever be allowed to have a standing army again. Wilson, LBJ, Bush etc all lied us into fake wars. FDR didn't lie us into a war, but he was definitely sabor rattling, but I still don't trust any one man to have that much centralized power.

This was Jefferson's opinion. Return all matters of defense to the governors and the militias and do away with all restrictions on the Right to bear Arms. Makes perfect sense

[He Who Pawns]

Kokesh = annoying.

[Invalid]

What's his facebook site again or do you need to be on his friends list to see it.

[GunnyFreedom]

What's his facebook site again or do you need to be on his friends list to see it.

Site? I'm just going off of status updates

[ronpaulhawaii]

I just got off the phone with Adam. this is a false rumor. He hasn't been in jail in months:p