To the Anti Glen Beck Crowd...

[UtahApocalypse]

To the Anti-Beck Crowd.....

You all attack the one person in media that is pushing Ron Paul, and our issues DAILY. Yes, in the past he may have made some big mistakes. He did not jump onto the liberty wagon during the campaign. I must tell a few things though....

I attended a Glen Beck Christmas event here in Salt lake City two years ago. This was the height of the Ron Paul campaign and we had rented a suite at the arena to pass out great literature and free hot chocolate. During this event Mr. Beck spoke from his heart. This was not a media event, rather a personal thing which he does now and then.

Glen Beck is a Mormon and has a large following here and the arena was packed. Mr Beck spoke of things he could not say on the news at that time. He was one of US! He did not agree with everything (do any of us 100%?) especially foreign policy.

My personal opinion after listening to Mr. Beck in person is that he has not changed at all..... its the employer that have let him only now speak his mind, heart, and soul. He is one of US and for all you that bash him every day he helps the movement I am ashamed.

[Pennsylvania]

Finally, a glenn beck thread.

[Xenophage]

finally, a glenn beck thread.

finally!

[fedup100]

This video explains this fat *&%$ and his agenda. He has people on his staff that monitors all these DANGEROUS FORUMS and blogs and there is a real threat. The fringe is going mainstream and FAUX and Beck are hijacking it for the safety of your children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LQN5SZcOnw&feature=related

What a (&^$% joke. Watch the video, the bastard clearly shows you what he is up too!

[pcosmar]

copied from another thread.

http://rightbrainplanner.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/snake-oil.jpg

There is a reason for Beck's latest sermons. They know that the vast majority of Americans are peaceful, even when pissed.
He is targeting the small minority of the radicals. They want someone to "GO OFF". That will give an excuse for a reaction.
Don't take the bait.
And don't trust him, he is not our friend.
please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUx_ynBiFjs

[UtahApocalypse]

You all are goddamn morons. You base your beliefs about Beck on TV, and Youtubes. I base mine on MEETING HIM and seeing him speaking without the contractual holdbacks of his employer

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[dannno]

Ron Paul says that our country needs to end our foreign empire before we can afford to end our socialist entitlement system.

How is Beck going to do that?

He's saying a lot of great things, and I continue to watch him. My parents went to a Beck speaking engagement a while back, too. But the bottom line is that he is trying to further this revolution but he doesn't have all of the fundamentals down. He is in no shape to lead this revolution with his views on foreign policy. I hope he keeps talking about the Fed and liberty, because those things are very important.. but I will not follow him like a leader because he is very far off from what needs to be done in the short term.

[trey4sports]

It's not as though your loyalties are set in stone. If Ron Paul were to come out tomorrow and say he supported further troop deployment to the Middle East, I'd just as soon turn around and stab him in the back as anyone else. For the moment, Beck seems to be on our side, they'll be plenty of time to spit in his face when his views change (again...)


+1
even if beck isnt one of us, he gives alot of our views airtime and promotes the liberty agenda quite often. I have my qualms with him, but he is by far the best MSM talking head we have right now.

[dr. hfn]

Whatever the hell Beck is doing, I will continue doing the same things I have been doing!

[DAFTEK]

I liked beck in the beginning when he went to Fox, until i started to smell the cowshit..

I believe today that Beck is being pawned by Murdoch to speak what Americans have been speaking in order to gain trust again then do exactly what Obama did "BAIT AND SWITCH" Fuk him and FXN & CNN, MSNBC or any other MSM channel....... Anyone who trusts FX is a total idiot! I'm not falling sheep-ed again! TURN THE TV OFF! Show me one story about the hundreds of Tea parties across the nation on these channels? Show me all the things we read here on this forum that is posted on many online news organizations across the world!

FOX & CNN & MSNBC ARE ALL CONTROLLED! :) But i'm sure u already knew that. ;)

[UtahApocalypse]

FOX & CNN & MSNBC ARE ALL CONTROLLED!

My point exactly!! You all are judging him based on his 'act' on television. He is paid, and contracted to do his show a certain way.

The Glen Beck that I saw at the event was the true man.... and from what I saw there he is more us then even what is portrayed on tv.

[Pennsylvania]

This video explains this fat *&%$ and his agenda.

No.


And don't trust him, he is not our friend.

No.


I believe today that Beck is being pawned by Murdoch

No.

[DAFTEK]

No.



No.



No.

uMMMm Ok a nation of sheep will take your word for it... :rolleyes:

But this black sheep says, "YES" wakethefukup!

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[acptulsa]

I'm glad to see here at RPF we hold ourselves to a higher level of intellectual debate. It's encouraging we don't have endless clones of the same thread where the arguments are always whittled down to "Wake up you fucking sheep" and "Typical tinfoil/truther garbage." I mean, that would just be annoying, and drive away newcomers. Sure glad that doesn't happen here...yep...really glad

Didn't your mother ever teach you not to type with your tongue in your cheek? An accident could happen that causes you to bite your tongue! :cool:

[Jeremy]

uMMMm Ok a nation of sheep will take your word for it... :rolleyes:

But this black sheep says, "YES" wakethefukup!

If you're going to make everyone your enemy, you'll never get what you want.

[TER]

Glen Beck is helping this movement more than he is hurting it. For that, I say 'thank you'. That doesn't of course mean we shouldn't criticize or correct him when he is in error. Instead, we should point out his mistakes so that he and others can see.

[Feenix566]

You all are goddamn morons. You base your beliefs about Beck on TV, and Youtubes. I base mine on MEETING HIM and seeing him speaking without the contractual holdbacks of his employer

I like Glen Beck. We're not all against him. I listen to him almost every morning.

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[Sandra]

Can't these Beck threads be merged into one big Beck argument. I mean how much name calling is supposed to sway one's thinking?

[DAFTEK]

If you're going to make everyone your enemy, you'll never get what you want.

So why do u hate Hannity then?:rolleyes: Spare me the lecture please...

[Jeremy]

So why do u hate Hannity then?:rolleyes: Spare me the lecture please...

I don't see it black and white...

[Anti Federalist]

Beck is there to "poison the well".

The comparison, that he himself mentioned, to Tammy Faye Bakker, is accurate.

He will blacken the eye of the liberty movement just as surely as the Bakkers, Swaggarts and Haggards, just to name a few, have blackened the eye of Christianity.

Ignore this, and give this man credibility, at your peril.

[Anti Federalist]

My point exactly!! You all are judging him based on his 'act' on television. He is paid, and contracted to do his show a certain way.
The Glen Beck that I saw at the event was the true man.... and from what I saw there he is more us then even what is portrayed on tv.

That means he's lying to you.

Trust a liar if you must.

I do not.

[Annihilia]

Beck is there to "poison the well".

The comparison, that he himself mentioned, to Tammy Faye Bakker, is accurate.

He will blacken the eye of the liberty movement just as surely as the Bakkers, Swaggarts and Haggards, just to name a few, have blackened the eye of Christianity.

Ignore this, and give this man credibility, at your peril.

Credibility is not something I intend to give him. It is his massive viewership we should be interested in courting.

[slacker921]

Glenn Beck will support Jindal or Palin for 2012. He will NOT support Ron Paul or anyone like Ron Paul in 2012 unless he changes his stance on the War on Terror. Period.

What will you do next year when you're trying desperately to get media exposure for candidates in the mid-term election and he works hard to discredit anyone who doesn't support the War on Terror? Eh? What will you do when he's pushing hard to get the same neocon RINOs re-elected in 2010 because they now say they're fiscally conservative?

[Anti Federalist]

Credibility is not something I intend to give him. It is his massive viewership we should be interested in courting.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

If Beck is, as I believe he is doing, giving only part of the story, giving only a portion of the information, and distorting it in such a way as to do more harm than good, then courting that audience is not in our best interest, and in the long term, will do even more harm than if the message was never presented to these people.

[Annihilia]

Glenn Beck will support Jindal or Palin for 2012. He will NOT support Ron Paul or anyone like Ron Paul in 2012 unless he changes his stance on the War on Terror. Period.

What will you do next year when you're trying desperately to get media exposure for candidates in the mid-term election and he works hard to discredit anyone who doesn't support the War on Terror? Eh? What will you do when he's pushing hard to get the same neocon RINOs re-elected in 2010 because they now say they're fiscally conservative?

Then we should double our efforts to educate his viewers while the window is still open. If this is a subversion tactic by the powers that be, it does not matter because we are vigilant and fully aware of what they could be doing. That being said, we should use their momentum against them.

[rockandrollsouls]

To the Anti-Beck Crowd.....

You all attack the one person in media that is pushing Ron Paul, and our issues DAILY. Yes, in the past he may have made some big mistakes. He did not jump onto the liberty wagon during the campaign. I must tell a few things though....

I attended a Glen Beck Christmas event here in Salt lake City two years ago. This was the height of the Ron Paul campaign and we had rented a suite at the arena to pass out great literature and free hot chocolate. During this event Mr. Beck spoke from his heart. This was not a media event, rather a personal thing which he does now and then.

Glen Beck is a Mormon and has a large following here and the arena was packed. Mr Beck spoke of things he could not say on the news at that time. He was one of US! He did not agree with everything (do any of us 100%?) especially foreign policy.

My personal opinion after listening to Mr. Beck in person is that he has not changed at all..... its the employer that have let him only now speak his mind, heart, and soul. He is one of US and for all you that bash him every day he helps the movement I am ashamed.

Agreed 100%. As it has been noted, our one disagreement with Beck is his foreign policy. However, I can only be certain he is referring to our policy in Iraq. I'm not sure, but for all we know he could be for removing troops from other countries around the world and we may just disagree on Iraq. Anyway, he's been a pretty good at supporting the liberty agenda, he does have a huge following, he has Ron and Schiff and other freedom fighters on quite a bit, and he could be a HUGE asset to us. Regardless, people here still nit pick. Guys, he's not running for president. He's entitled to his opinion...that doesn't make him illegitimate or invalid. You don't have to agree with him on everything. Fact of the matter is, though, that he's one of the biggest, if not the biggest person pushing for freedom and liberty in the mainstream media.

[Annihilia]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

If Beck is, as I believe he is doing, giving only part of the story, giving only a portion of the information, and distorting it in such a way as to do more harm than good, then courting that audience is not in our best interest, and in the long term, will do even more harm than if the message was never presented to these people.

We can't do anything about what Glenn Beck is saying. The fact of the matter is, he is disseminating this information and it would be beneficial to us if we can use this as a way to increase our numbers instead of debating one man's authenticity.

We need to work with what we have and I believe this to be a much better situation than if he was flat-out equating Patriots to militant domestic terrorists. If we can get even one of his viewers to educate themselves, I consider that more of a success than if we shunned them all.

[rockandrollsouls]

Glenn Beck will support Jindal or Palin for 2012. He will NOT support Ron Paul or anyone like Ron Paul in 2012 unless he changes his stance on the War on Terror. Period.

What will you do next year when you're trying desperately to get media exposure for candidates in the mid-term election and he works hard to discredit anyone who doesn't support the War on Terror? Eh? What will you do when he's pushing hard to get the same neocon RINOs re-elected in 2010 because they now say they're fiscally conservative?

Oh, really? Is that we he didn't even vote for McCain in the '08 election? Now you're just speculating and it's a little ridiculous. You can't read his mind and neither can I.

[acptulsa]

Oh, really? Is that we he didn't even vote for McCain in the '08 election? Now you're just speculating and it's a little ridiculous. You can't read his mind and neither can I.

No, of course not. But it is a fool who doesn't plan for as many contingencies as humanly possible.

[slacker921]

Oh, really? Is that we he didn't even vote for McCain in the '08 election? Now you're just speculating and it's a little ridiculous. You can't read his mind and neither can I.

No, I'm not speculating. I watch his show.

[rockandrollsouls]

No, I'm not speculating. I watch his show.

You must not be watching his show because last time I saw it he had a full slate of the freedom figures we talk about in this forum on for a good 20 minutes or more. If I were you I'd swallow your pride and stop spewing shit. Liberty isn't an exclusive club that you deny membership to. Beck has been spreading the word, and that's a fact. You are speculating and trying to say something contradictory that's clearly not true.

Doesn't matter if you like Glenn or not. He's been putting people we were DYING to get on TV every day for extended periods of time. I'll GLADLY take that. I want our message spread.

[NerveShocker]

+1
even if beck isnt one of us, he gives alot of our views airtime and promotes the liberty agenda quite often. I have my qualms with him, but he is by far the best MSM talking head we have right now.

Yup. I have much conspiracy in me but so long as he's talking about the fed, socialism, and recently even becoming anti-war I want him to keep saying it. He reaches millions of people weekly if not more.. I thought we wanted people to hear our message... ;(

If he turns on us which so many of the Nostradamus's of the Ron Paul forums seem to predict then we will turn on him then... but not based on some wild prediction instead of facts. Just because he attacked Ron Paul before doesn't mean he's going to do some 360 on us now.. he has never been a bigger supporter of liberty in his life (in my opinion).

Oh and a side note: People can change (And I know some will laugh at this). Attacking him based on his past actions seems off base since he has made such radical changes. If you attack media pundits when they are ignoring our issues AND when they are paying attention to our issues just what exactly are you achieving?

[fedup100]

Yup. I have much conspiracy in me but so long as he's talking about the fed, socialism, and recently even becoming anti-war I want him to keep saying it. He reaches millions of people weekly if not more.. I thought we wanted people to hear our message... ;(

If he turns on us which so many of the Nostradamus's of the Ron Paul forums seem to predict then we will turn on him then... but not based on some wild prediction instead of facts. Just because he attacked Ron Paul before doesn't mean he's going to do some 360 on us now.. he has never been a bigger supporter of liberty in his life (in my opinion).

Yes, he talking about those things. He will then lead the ignorant to the answer to counteract that evil fed.

Vote Huckster/Palin 2012 for the "Liberty You Deserve".

On with the r3volution people we have them cornered now, vote Huckster/Palin 2012 for a Ron Paul kind of government.

Yeah, when this happens after 24 months of re-educating Jo six pack, THEN we will step in and point out that Ron Paul should keep and lead his own r3volution, yeah, that will work.

[OferNave]

This is why the left thinks the right is populated by inbred retards. Because you fall for shit like Glen Beck. Anyone with half a brain can see that he's a fucking douche, and anyone who has done their NWO research knows without a doubt that he's controlled opposition.

I'm not defending the left here. I hate both sides of the false dichotomy. But there are differences in perception. The left looks ignorant to the right, because they're not versed on economics and the principles of liberty. Fair enough. But the right looks stupid to the left because you fall for the dumbest rhetoric and poorest stagecraft.

It's not that the left has more truth in their propaganda. They're all wrong, too. But the quality of their propaganda is so much higher. They're more sophisticated, they'd never fall for any of the Fox fools, and so more work has to be put into crafting their propaganda (Al Gore and the 'green' revolution is a perfect example).

As an anarcho-capitalist, my politically active friends tend to be more on the right than the left, and I'm so tired of cringing in embarassment at their anachronistic jingoism and the credulity with which they consume right-wing media - the lowest grade propaganda in the country.

---

Epilogue: Gonna be harsh on the old folks for a moment here. It's not that I don't respect the work that you've done, but the future of liberty is in the hands of the young. If we don't win them, we won't win liberty, and they're not going to be won by the GOP, or talk of patriotism and rose-tinted American history, and most certainly not be creepy crusty douchebags like Glen Beck. The old dogmas, the old rhetoric, the old ideas and paradigms, are not going to take root. The trend which gives me the most hope is how receptive the younger generation is to anarcho-capitalism. This new blood is looking for hard-core truth, not stopping half-way by blindly accepting flawed premises like the "social contract" or the cognitive dissonance of building one's case for liberty on a two hundred year old piece of parchment signed by a few score of dead white guys. This is the flame we should be nurturing. And these kids are too smart to fall for media shills. When you associate yourself with Beck, you take yourself out of the running.

[rockandrollsouls]

This is why the left thinks the right is populated by inbred retards. Because you fall for shit like Glen Beck. Anyone with half a brain can see that he's a fucking douche, and anyone who has done their NWO research knows without a doubt that he's controlled opposition.

I'm not defending the left here. I hate both sides of the false dichotomy. But there are differences in perception. The left looks ignorant to the right, because they're not versed on economics and the principles of liberty. Fair enough. But the right looks stupid to the left because you fall for the dumbest rhetoric and poorest stagecraft.

It's not that the left has more truth in their propaganda. They're all wrong, too. But the quality of their propaganda is so much higher. They're more sophisticated, they'd never fall for and of the Fox fools, and so more work has to be put into crafting their propaganda (Al Gore and the 'green' revolution is a perfect example).

As an anarcho-capitalist, my politically active friends tend to be more on the right than the left, and I'm so tired of cringing in embarassment at their anachronistic jingoism and the credulity with which they consume right-wing media - the lowest grade propaganda in the country.

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Epilogue: Gonna be harsh on the old folks for a moment here. It's not the I don't respect the work that you've done, but the future of liberty is in the hands of the young. If we don't win them, we won't win liberty, and they're not going to be won by the GOP, or talk of patriotism and rose-tinted American history, and most certainly not be creepy crusty douchebags like Glen Beck. The old dogmas, the old rhetoric, the old ideas and paradigms, are not going to take root. The trend which gives me the most hope is how receptive the younger generation is to anarcho-capitalism. This new blood is looking for hard-core truth, not stopping half-way by blindly accepting flawed premises like the "social contract" or the cognitive dissonance of building one's case for liberty on a two hundred year old piece of parchment signed by a few score of dead white guys. This is the flame we should be nurturing. And these kids are too smart to fall for media shills. When you associate yourself with Beck, you take yourself out of the running.

So how old are you, little man? Throwing a little tantrum out of frustration :rolleyes:

Maybe you should learn to speak like a big boy, then maybe we can debate.

[sluggo]

Think we can persuade Beck to mention HR 1207?

[DAFTEK]

Then we should double our efforts to educate his viewers while the window is still open. If this is a subversion tactic by the powers that be, it does not matter because we are vigilant and fully aware of what they could be doing. That being said, we should use their momentum against them.

aha, let us know how that works out for you....:rolleyes:

[NerveShocker]

Yes, he talking about those things. He will then lead the ignorant to the answer to counteract that evil fed.

Vote Huckster/Palin 2012 for the "Liberty You Deserve".

On with the r3volution people we have them cornered now, vote Huckster/Palin 2012 for a Ron Paul kind of government.

Yeah, when this happens after 24 months of re-educating Jo six pack, THEN we will step in and point out that Ron Paul should keep and lead his own r3volution, yeah, that will work.

Maybe you should talk about what Glenn Beck is actually doing now and stop making up wild stories. People can change and if you don't believe that please explain how you plan on changing this country. You can keep quoting people who are just trying to give their honest opinion and call them fools for not seeing through his "true agenda". I know exactly what creating a fake opposition is and if I ever see any signs of that I'll speak up. As of right now though Glenn Beck is saying almost exactly what we're all saying, so are we all phonies and liars too? Why would I try to silence my own argument? It really disturbs me how much people are allowing this Glenn Beck issue to divide us and become so heated. Can't we just respect people's opinions and agree to disagree? Or should we fight relentless until we are all divided into little groups?

[rockandrollsouls]

Maybe you should talk about what Glenn Beck is actually doing now and stop making up wild stories. People can change and if you don't believe that please explain how you plan on changing this country. You can keep quoting people who are just trying to give their honest opinion and call them fools for not seeing through his "true agenda". I know exactly what creating a fake opposition is and if I ever see any signs of that I'll speak up. As of right now though Glenn Beck is saying almost exactly what we're all saying, so are we all phonies and liars too? It really disturbs me how much people are allowing this Glenn Beck issue to divide us. Can't we just respect people's opinions and agree to disagree? Or should we fight relentless until we are all divided into little groups?

Thank you!

[DAFTEK]

Think we can persuade Beck to mention HR 1207?

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/factorywolf/image007.gif

[nobody's_hero]

Well, Beck has already mentioned the Fed's role in this economic downturn is questionable. Surely he would not be opposed to asking, "where'd our money go?" He's already mentioned something about looking behind the curtain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgNkQ4pnPpg).

Need I remind anyone that Glenn Beck found room to agree with Dennis Kucinich on the Federal Reserve being a bad thing in general? If we can't be at least somewhat welcoming to people who we agree with on 80-90% of issues, we're in worse shape than Beck.

People can change. If they couldn't, I wouldn't be here.

Don't forget, Ron Paul got four very diverse political 3rd parties to agree on four paramount issues facing our nation. It is an exercise in communication and coalition-building that we would do well to learn from.

[ClayTrainor]

aha, let us know how that works out for you....:rolleyes:

it's been working fine for me. Why are you being sarcastic about this?

[slacker921]

You must not be watching his show because last time I saw it he had a full slate of the freedom figures we talk about in this forum on for a good 20 minutes or more. If I were you I'd swallow your pride and stop spewing shit. Liberty isn't an exclusive club that you deny membership to. Beck has been spreading the word, and that's a fact. You are speculating and trying to say something contradictory that's clearly not true.

Doesn't matter if you like Glenn or not. He's been putting people we were DYING to get on TV every day for extended periods of time. I'll GLADLY take that. I want our message spread.

I've yet to hear him say anything negative about The Patriot Act.
I've yet to hear him say we should withdraw all troops from the Middle East and end our "nation building" and "policing the world".
.... Now, maybe I missed a show where he said those things once. If you could provide a YouTube of him saying these things multiple times then I'd reconsider my point that HE WILL BE SUPPORTING JINDAL, PALIN, ROMNEY, OR SOME OTHER NEOCONSERVATIVE FOR 2012.

[rockandrollsouls]

I've yet to hear him say anything negative about The Patriot Act.
I've yet to hear him say we should withdraw all troops from the Middle East and end our "nation building" and "policing the world".
.... Now, maybe I missed a show where he said those things once. If you could provide a YouTube of him saying these things multiple times then I'd reconsider my point that HE WILL BE SUPPORTING JINDAL, PALIN, ROMNEY, OR SOME OTHER NEOCONSERVATIVE FOR 2012.

Do you have a youtube of him saying he would support jindal, palin, or romney in 2012 :rolleyes:

And you clearly haven't watched his show recently because he's been fairly anti-war. He just happens to disagree about being in Iraq, but that still doesn't make me hate his show or him. He's been the only person in the MSM furthering the freedom message and no one has had on more freedom fighters than him. Before you prescribe something for me, take your own medicine, bud. I'm not going to go digging through youtubes to try and change your mind because you're arguing like 15 year old and you probably are one. All I hear coming from you is mindless speculation.

[emazur]

I've yet to hear him say anything negative about The Patriot Act.
I've yet to hear him say we should withdraw all troops from the Middle East and end our "nation building" and "policing the world".
.... Now, maybe I missed a show where he said those things once. If you could provide a YouTube of him saying these things multiple times then I'd reconsider my point that HE WILL BE SUPPORTING JINDAL, PALIN, ROMNEY, OR SOME OTHER NEOCONSERVATIVE FOR 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfK91XnBdQ
It's pretty clear there he is saying no nation building and no policing the world. And he is saying to pull to troops out, but do it gradually. Look, we've got agreements with countries like Japan saying that we will be their military - we need to inform them that we will be pulling out, give them time to put rebuild their military (maybe 1 to 2 years), and then we pull out. An Iraq pullout couldn't happen overnight either. We've got equipment over there that needs to be brought back and that needs to be protected while we are in the process of withdrawing.

[Zera]

Fuck Beck.

[DAFTEK]

lollollol... :rolleyes: this is FOX NEWS "HOME OF MURDOCH ISRAELI WAR MACHINE" we are talking about... meeeehhhhhh :D It's nice to see the old school posters sit back and laugh at all of this Glenn Beck love fest :p

[rockandrollsouls]

Fuck Beck.

posts like this are completely worthless.

[ClayTrainor]

lollollol... :rolleyes: this is FOX NEWS "HOME OF MURDOCH ISRAELI WAR MACHINE" we are talking about... meeeehhhhhh :D It's nice to see the old school posters sit back and laugh at all of this Glenn Beck love fest :p

So Napolitiano is using us too, since he works for fox?

[Zera]

posts like this are completely worthless.

People like you who think Beck is anything more than donkey penis are worthless.

[DAFTEK]

This just in! Glenn Beck to cry 3 tear drops on cue at 4:16:33 pm central time..... :D

[rockandrollsouls]

lollollol... :rolleyes: this is FOX NEWS "HOME OF MURDOCH ISRAELI WAR MACHINE" we are talking about... meeeehhhhhh :D It's nice to see the old school posters sit back and laugh at all of this Glenn Beck love fest :p

coming from the person who was going to vote for obama if i remember correctly. no beck "love fest" here, but the constant flaming and spamming is unwarranted. "fuck beck" "douchebag" blah blah blah etc. You guys are mostly just talking out of your ass.

[NerveShocker]

People like you who think Beck is anything more than donkey penis are worthless.


Fuck Beck.

Good thing Zera is bringing such good arguments forward and treating people with respect, very mature. I'm sure everyone will line up to agree with you now, even if it's out of fear you will attack them personally.
Any admins around? ;o

[DAFTEK]

So Napolitiano is using us too, since he works for fox?

I take Napolitano with a larger grain of salt! Salt and Napolitanos don't go very good together... ;)

[ClayTrainor]

coming from the person who was going to vote for obama if i remember correctly. no beck "love fest" here, but the constant flaming and spamming is unwarranted. "fuck beck" "douchebag" blah blah blah etc. You guys are mostly just talking out of your ass.

Wow, DAFTEK voted for O?


DAFTEK, if true, Your opinion on MSM pundits and candidates will not be totally rejected by me from now on.

[werdd]

He just defended us on the MOLE deal..

[ClayTrainor]

I take Napolitano with a larger grain of salt! Salt and Napolitanos don't go very good together... ;)

Napolitano would never vote for Obama, therefore he's cool in my books :cool:

[DAFTEK]

coming from the person who was going to vote for obama if i remember correctly. no beck "love fest" here, but the constant flaming and spamming is unwarranted. "fuck beck" "douchebag" blah blah blah etc. You guys are mostly just talking out of your ass.

loool That is funny, how in the fuk did you come to the conclusion i was a crackhead bama supporter, lets see u been here since jan08 :rolleyes: I have been accused as a McCain voter once but damn! CRACKBAMA? hahahaha

[nobody's_hero]

rHATEution!

[DAFTEK]

Wow, DAFTEK voted for O?


DAFTEK, if true, Your opinion on MSM pundits and candidates will not be totally rejected by me from now on.


If u pay attention to the sheep its not my fault if they give u the red pill :p It would help to look at my history before u come to a vote :p

[ClayTrainor]

If u pay attention to the sheep its not my fault if they give u the red pill :p It would help to look at my history before u come to a vote :p

So who did you vote for?

[NerveShocker]

Aight, I'm off these forums for now. It's unfortunate some people can't disagree with each other and still treat each other with respect. You know who you are.. Check back in later when things have cooled off. ;/

[DAFTEK]

Napolitano would never vote for Obama, therefore he's cool in my books :cool:

I agree, yet dont forget, Murdoch can't control Napolitano.. ;)

[DAFTEK]

So who did you vote for?
I guess these new folks don't know who is who on this forum, not that it matters but damn, to accuse someone without even taking 2 minutes to do a forum search? :eek: Kids.... meeehhhhhh:D

4DALAZZY :p http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=3306474&pp=25&page=11

[ClayTrainor]

I guess these new folks don't know who is who on this forum, not that it matters but damn, to accuse someone without even taking 2 minutes to do a forum search? :eek: Kids.... meeehhhhhh:D

New folks? I've been here longer than you.... (were you referring to me?)

I also don't have time to search through thousands of your posts, to see who you voted for... I have heard you be blamed for voting for Obama before so i'm just curious. Not curious enough to dig for the information.

[slacker921]

Do you have a youtube of him saying he would support jindal, palin, or romney in 2012 :rolleyes:

no.. do you have one of him saying he'll support Ron Paul for 2012? :rolleyes:

And where are the YouTubes I asked for, eh? Can't find any of him denouncing the neocon war agenda, eh?

[nbruno322]

Glenn Beck Dedicates Entire Show on Police Report: You Could Be Labeled a Domestic Terrorist

Listen to the whole show here, great stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCv-SOHyEYo

[rockandrollsouls]

no.. do you have one of him saying he'll support Ron Paul for 2012? :rolleyes:

And where are the YouTubes I asked for, eh? Can't find any of him denouncing the neocon war agenda, eh?

No, I told you we can't read his mind :rolleyes:

Someone did provide you a link where he clearly states his view on foreign policy and how we should be moving in the other direction. I'm wagering you didn't bother to watch.

That's okay, though. Stick your fingers in your ears and yell....that's fine.

[rockandrollsouls]

Glenn Beck Dedicates Entire Show on Police Report: You Could Be Labeled a Domestic Terrorist

Listen to the whole show here, great stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCv-SOHyEYo

"It's a trap! Don't listen! Don't be fooooooledddd" :rolleyes:

[rockandrollsouls]

So who did you vote for?

He won't answer...he's a flamer. Him and a few others only insult you if you don't agree with them...you know, the type that beat around the bush and act like they are intelligent and holding the key to liberty and freedom. Like you're clearly under them if you aren't in line with what they say.

Daftek contradicts himself left and right...I'd just prefer it he not post if he has nothing constructive to contribute (he never does...he just flames people).

[pennycat]

To the Anti-Beck Crowd.....

You all attack the one person in media that is pushing Ron Paul, and our issues DAILY. Yes, in the past he may have made some big mistakes. He did not jump onto the liberty wagon during the campaign. I must tell a few things though....

I attended a Glen Beck Christmas event here in Salt lake City two years ago. This was the height of the Ron Paul campaign and we had rented a suite at the arena to pass out great literature and free hot chocolate. During this event Mr. Beck spoke from his heart. This was not a media event, rather a personal thing which he does now and then.

Glen Beck is a Mormon and has a large following here and the arena was packed. Mr Beck spoke of things he could not say on the news at that time. He was one of US! He did not agree with everything (do any of us 100%?) especially foreign policy.

My personal opinion after listening to Mr. Beck in person is that he has not changed at all..... its the employer that have let him only now speak his mind, heart, and soul. He is one of US and for all you that bash him every day he helps the movement I am ashamed.

I read through the first couple of pages and saw the typical meatheads blah-blahing that 'he's not just like me so he's an @#$%, etc.' Really, I was hoping that this place could have a little bit more constructive conversation. And save all the 'well then don't bother to read it, etc. I'm just saying you make fools out of yourselves by not being able to make a cogent arguments supporting your views.

I think UtahApocalypse makes some very good points. And I thank him for giving us a little more insight into Glenn Beck personal appearances. If he shows up here tomorrow in Orlando for the Tea Party, I'll be watching carefully.

You may now resume watching YouTube videos that support your views and then hysterically froth at the mouth when anything comes along that disturbs your dreamlike state.

[american.swan]

What SEEMS to be going on here is a small group of Ron Paul supporters are upset they don't have their own show like Beck does to promote liberty and Ron Paul. This small group sits on their arses it seems typing on the same few forums too "busy" to write articles in their local newspapers and plaster their town with anti-empire signs and running for local office. They some how believe that at one point in the future every breathing person in the US will be interesting in Beck and will visit said forums and see their posts.

Then again, I could be wrong.

It amazes me how ineffective web post can be at spreading the message.

Then again, I could be wrong.

[Zera]

What SEEMS to be going on here is a small group of Ron Paul supporters are upset they don't have their own show like Beck does to promote liberty and Ron Paul. This small group sits on their arses it seems typing on the same few forums too "busy" to write articles in their local newspapers and plaster their town with anti-empire signs and running for local office. They some how believe that at one point in the future every breathing person in the US will be interesting in Beck and will visit said forums and see their posts.

Then again, I could be wrong.

It amazes me how ineffective web post can be at spreading the message.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Nobody is upset that they don't work for Fox News. I would never want to be that loud and obnoxious gorilla that says shit purely to pull in people like you.

When you don't believe in most of the fundamentals of liberty, then I can't support you at all. The guy suckles the Patriot Act and War on Terror love stick juices as much as any other hack on Fox News. I mean, I'm really forced to have to make the classic liberal argument I hear all the time even when I just bring the suggestion that Obama is spending way too god damn much, "Oh, now you care about debt? What about the trillions in Iraq?"

[DAFTEK]

New folks? I've been here longer than you.... (were you referring to me?)

I also don't have time to search through thousands of your posts, to see who you voted for... I have heard you be blamed for voting for Obama before so i'm just curious. Not curious enough to dig for the information.

I wasn't referring to u but anyway.... wooopy you beat me by a few months, I'm sure that matters to some..:rolleyes: My point was completely something else, you heard? aha, i heard you voted for McCain against Obama should i believe that?!:rolleyes:

Point taken is take Glenn Beck with a large spoon of salt, i wanted to give him a chance when he went to Fox, but after all them tears on cue and that we surround them show it told me he is nothing but an idiot with $$$ figures in his eyes and like i said a puppet for Murdoch's Israeli/Iranian/Palestinian and probably Mexican/Canadian agenda.....:p I cant wait to come back to this thread and post with huge letters, "WE TOLD U SO" when he endorses another McCain or Sideburns...:D

[DAFTEK]

He won't answer...he's a flamer. Him and a few others only insult you if you don't agree with them...you know, the type that beat around the bush and act like they are intelligent and holding the key to liberty and freedom. Like you're clearly under them if you aren't in line with what they say.

Daftek contradicts himself left and right...I'd just prefer it he not post if he has nothing constructive to contribute (he never does...he just flames people).


This coming from a troll who has racked up 2723 posts in just a few months who didn't even bother to look at someones history posting and just blatantly makes accusations...... Aha that just said allot about u buddy.. :rolleyes: We know about you spoof members coming from that Obama camp....:D

[PeterSchiffVideos]

To the Anti-Beck Crowd.....

You all attack the one person in media that is pushing Ron Paul, and our issues DAILY. Yes, in the past he may have made some big mistakes. He did not jump onto the liberty wagon during the campaign. I must tell a few things though....

I attended a Glen Beck Christmas event here in Salt lake City two years ago. This was the height of the Ron Paul campaign and we had rented a suite at the arena to pass out great literature and free hot chocolate. During this event Mr. Beck spoke from his heart. This was not a media event, rather a personal thing which he does now and then.

Glen Beck is a Mormon and has a large following here and the arena was packed. Mr Beck spoke of things he could not say on the news at that time. He was one of US! He did not agree with everything (do any of us 100%?) especially foreign policy.

My personal opinion after listening to Mr. Beck in person is that he has not changed at all..... its the employer that have let him only now speak his mind, heart, and soul. He is one of US and for all you that bash him every day he helps the movement I am ashamed.


He is one of US? Whatever man.

Your post reminds me of all the crap Republican literature I've been getting in the mail for the 2010 elections-- tout how fiscal conservative you are and ignore all the other issues.


I'm ashamed of you and everyone else who supports Beck. Beck has no problem with us bombing the crap out of the muslims. Beck has no problem with the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, or ANY other foreign police that "WE" stand for.

[NMCB3]

I dont trust Beck.

[angelatc]

I liked beck in the beginning when he went to Fox, until i started to smell the cowshit..

I believe today that Beck is being pawned by Murdoch to speak what Americans have been speaking in order to gain trust again then do exactly what Obama did "BAIT AND SWITCH" Fuk him and FXN & CNN, MSNBC or any other MSM channel....... Anyone who trusts FX is a total idiot! I'm not falling sheep-ed again! TURN THE TV OFF! Show me one story about the hundreds of Tea parties across the nation on these channels? Show me all the things we read here on this forum that is posted on many online news organizations across the world!

FOX & CNN & MSNBC ARE ALL CONTROLLED! :) But i'm sure u already knew that. ;)

Here's my hubby's thoughts on Beck. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2028414&postcount=101

[angelatc]

I dont trust Beck.

You don't have to. You have to trust the message.

[NMCB3]

1930`s Germany trusted the message and we all know how that worked out. Cubans trusted Castro`s message, Russian`s Stalin`s,and China Mao`s.

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

1930`s Germany trusted the message and we all know how that worked out. Cubans trusted Castro`s message, Russian`s Stalin`s,and China Mao`s.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080724/nathan-neil_l.jpg

[DAFTEK]

Here's my hubby's thoughts on Beck. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2028414&postcount=101

As much as i agree with that post angie i have also posted this same theory as you on one of the first Beck threads i am left wondering when he will eventually do the bait and switch and throw a Jindal in the mix as the face of C4L or another thief of liberty and steel that whole herd of people and actually turn them against the true movement of C4L and Ron Paul crowd. I smell a snake and I'm glad to see i am not the only one on this forum. Like i said before, i suggest to take him with a grain of salt and be skeptical to what is the real agenda and don't forget, this is FAUX NEWS and he does what he is told like cry on demand. :o

[SouthGeorgia61]

I cant wait to come back to this thread and post with huge letters, "WE TOLD U SO" when he endorses another McCain or Sideburns...:D

Why would you want this to happen just to prove to other people that you made a correct prediction? If you cared about the message of freedom then you would hope Glenn Beck is being sincere.



I'm ashamed of you and everyone else who supports Beck. Beck has no problem with us bombing the crap out of the muslims. Beck has no problem with the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, or ANY other foreign police that "WE" stand for.

Beck has come out against the Patriot Act as of late, and has said he would not trust the Patriot Act if Ronald Reagen was the guy who came up with it.

He also wants to eventually have a libertarian foreign policy, he just doesn't think we can do it overnight.


I dont trust Beck.

You don't have to, but I don't see how calling him names like Keith Olbermann would and telling people not to listen to him is going to accomplish anything. I for one thank Glenn for being great as of late, having Ron Paul and other libertarians on his show frequently, and spreading the message of Capitalism. If he changes and supports someone who is not libertarian at all in 2012, then I will criticize him, but I am not going to speculate and say he is just going to support neocons in 2012. He didn't even support McCain in 2008 until Palin came on board.

[FreeMama]

I just posted this in another thread:



I remember Glenn had McCain on his radio show back in November. . . they were DISAGREEING. McCain said to Glenn "Now Glenn I am not a Libertarian! I do believe there is a role for government."

Then Glenn had Ted Nugent on. . . they were both like "Is there anybody who is not kissing Karl Marks Ass?" Then they were pondering what to do. . . then they both sighed saying they couldn't let Obama win so they would just have to vote for McCain and hold his feet to the fire. You could tell Glenn WAS NOT pleased with McCain though.

That was back on Headline news. . . I think everyone is worried because he is now on Faux News.

If Glenn spreads a message, then supports a bad candidate. . . the people will KNOW it because they already learned the message. It is a very hard message to UNLEARN. Don't shoot the messenger in the foot BEFORE he gets it out!!!

[pcosmar]

This is the MSM we are talking about. It is owned by CFR members and is the Globalists propaganda tool. Never forget that. IF Beck has had a real change of heart(doubts) he will be out on his ear shortly.
Reagan said "trust but verify" , I"ve not even heard enough to trust yet.

[Roxi]

this is why the left thinks the right is populated by inbred retards. Because you fall for shit like glen beck. Anyone with half a brain can see that he's a fucking douche, and anyone who has done their nwo research knows without a doubt that he's controlled opposition.

I'm not defending the left here. I hate both sides of the false dichotomy. But there are differences in perception. The left looks ignorant to the right, because they're not versed on economics and the principles of liberty. Fair enough. But the right looks stupid to the left because you fall for the dumbest rhetoric and poorest stagecraft.

It's not that the left has more truth in their propaganda. They're all wrong, too. But the quality of their propaganda is so much higher. They're more sophisticated, they'd never fall for any of the fox fools, and so more work has to be put into crafting their propaganda (al gore and the 'green' revolution is a perfect example).

As an anarcho-capitalist, my politically active friends tend to be more on the right than the left, and i'm so tired of cringing in embarassment at their anachronistic jingoism and the credulity with which they consume right-wing media - the lowest grade propaganda in the country.

---

epilogue: Gonna be harsh on the old folks for a moment here. It's not that i don't respect the work that you've done, but the future of liberty is in the hands of the young. If we don't win them, we won't win liberty, and they're not going to be won by the gop, or talk of patriotism and rose-tinted american history, and most certainly not be creepy crusty douchebags like glen beck. The old dogmas, the old rhetoric, the old ideas and paradigms, are not going to take root. The trend which gives me the most hope is how receptive the younger generation is to anarcho-capitalism. This new blood is looking for hard-core truth, not stopping half-way by blindly accepting flawed premises like the "social contract" or the cognitive dissonance of building one's case for liberty on a two hundred year old piece of parchment signed by a few score of dead white guys. This is the flame we should be nurturing. And these kids are too smart to fall for media shills. When you associate yourself with beck, you take yourself out of the running.


+ one million

[nayjevin]

Beck is the person FOX news wants in that position - he is doing his job to Rupert Murdoch's satisfaction.

Meanwhile, people on this forum are also doing what Rupert Murdoch would want - arguing.

Any questions? :)

[tonesforjonesbones]

As I recall Rupert stepped down and passed the baton to his son...his son stated that FOX was going to be changing direction...I say that this is why Beck and Napalitno are there..and much more libertarianism is being discussed. Now, if they would just fire oreilly and kick hannity in his deriere...we are onto something. Tones

[LibertyEagle]

This is why the left thinks the right is populated by inbred retards. Because you fall for shit like Glen Beck. Anyone with half a brain can see that he's a fucking douche, and anyone who has done their NWO research knows without a doubt that he's controlled opposition.

I'm not defending the left here. I hate both sides of the false dichotomy. But there are differences in perception. The left looks ignorant to the right, because they're not versed on economics and the principles of liberty. Fair enough. But the right looks stupid to the left because you fall for the dumbest rhetoric and poorest stagecraft.

It's not that the left has more truth in their propaganda. They're all wrong, too. But the quality of their propaganda is so much higher. They're more sophisticated, they'd never fall for any of the Fox fools, and so more work has to be put into crafting their propaganda (Al Gore and the 'green' revolution is a perfect example).

As an anarcho-capitalist, my politically active friends tend to be more on the right than the left, and I'm so tired of cringing in embarassment at their anachronistic jingoism and the credulity with which they consume right-wing media - the lowest grade propaganda in the country.

---

Epilogue: Gonna be harsh on the old folks for a moment here. It's not that I don't respect the work that you've done, but the future of liberty is in the hands of the young. If we don't win them, we won't win liberty, and they're not going to be won by the GOP, or talk of patriotism and rose-tinted American history, and most certainly not be creepy crusty douchebags like Glen Beck. The old dogmas, the old rhetoric, the old ideas and paradigms, are not going to take root. The trend which gives me the most hope is how receptive the younger generation is to anarcho-capitalism. This new blood is looking for hard-core truth, not stopping half-way by blindly accepting flawed premises like the "social contract" or the cognitive dissonance of building one's case for liberty on a two hundred year old piece of parchment signed by a few score of dead white guys. This is the flame we should be nurturing.
This is not surprising to me, because when you are young, you rebel against all authority, whether or not it is particularly wise to do so. I remember it well. :p


And these kids are too smart to fall for media shills. When you associate yourself with Beck, you take yourself out of the running.

With all due respect, the "young" people do in fact fall for "media shills", as evidenced by their huge support for Barack Obama. :)

That said, I don't trust Beck farther than I can throw him. But, I don't need to put my faith in an individual. It's the principles we stand for anyway, right? As long as Beck is bringing some to the table that would not have otherwise listened, I personally think it's good. Please note that I did not say we should trust him. But instead of making this all about Beck, can't we use what he is doing and the people he is gathering, as a way for us to talk to even more people? To each their own, but I don't think the people that are listening to Beck, are going to be conducive to going to 0 government. At least, not at this point in time. It's going to be far easier and safer for them to think in terms of what they were brought up hearing about limited constitutional government.

[pcosmar]

This is not surprising to me, because when you are young, you rebel against all authority, whether or not it is particularly wise to do so. I remember it well. :p



With all due respect, the "young" people do in fact fall for "media shills", as evidenced by their huge support for Barack Obama. :)

That said, I don't trust Beck farther than I can throw him. But, I don't need to put my faith in an individual. It's the principles we stand for anyway, right? As long as Beck is bringing some to the table that would not have otherwise listened, I personally think it's good. Please note that I did not say we should trust him. But instead of making this all about Beck, can't we use what he is doing and the people he is gathering, as a way for us to talk to even more people? To each their own, but I don't think the people that are listening to Beck, are going to be conducive to going to 0 government. At least, not at this point in time. It's going to be far easier and safer for them to think in terms of what they were brought up hearing about limited constitutional government.

Some truth here, but not just for "young" people.
The MIAC Document was true when the story broke. But to many it was not true till Beck said it was true. :confused:
The MSM will try to marginalize it, they mention it, play it down and then change the subject.
They will distract folks with some other shiny bauble.
Kind of a shame that they will not listen to folks that have been shouting the truth for years, but will accept it when someone with a history of lies and deception says it.
Well, I am glad it is getting out regardless, But we need to take control of the spin on it. Reverse the spin and spin it hard back in their direction.

[OptionsTrader]

With all due respect to the OP, Beck is a whore.

He will sell himself to the trend of the day. HE PIMPED the war NONSTOP before and during the invasion of Iraq.

During the primaries, he would get on Houston AM stations AND BASH Ron Paul and call his supporters crazed terrorists.

Fuck Glenn Beck. He knows people are pissed out there, so now he sells his cheap anus to that crowd.

[Reason]

Glen Beck is a mormon.....

just lost a lot the small shred of respect I had for him...

[angelatc]

We can't do anything about what Glenn Beck is saying. The fact of the matter is, he is disseminating this information and it would be beneficial to us if we can use this as a way to increase our numbers instead of debating one man's authenticity.

We need to work with what we have and I believe this to be a much better situation than if he was flat-out equating Patriots to militant domestic terrorists. If we can get even one of his viewers to educate themselves, I consider that more of a success than if we shunned them all.

That's a great point. Maybe the CFL could buy advertising slots during Beck's hour.

[GunnyFreedom]

Think we can persuade Beck to mention HR 1207?

I think so, yes.

And OferNave, the reason the left thinks we're lunatics is not because we fall for pundits; but because we reject/attack our own successes into oblivion until our platform has pretty much zero mainstream exposure. They laugh at us because we keep shooting ourselves in the foot every single time we finally start to pull ahead int he marathon.

[Gin]

I liked beck in the beginning when he went to Fox, until i started to smell the cowshit..

I believe today that Beck is being pawned by Murdoch to speak what Americans have been speaking in order to gain trust again then do exactly what Obama did "BAIT AND SWITCH" Fuk him and FXN & CNN, MSNBC or any other MSM channel....... Anyone who trusts FX is a total idiot! I'm not falling sheep-ed again! TURN THE TV OFF! Show me one story about the hundreds of Tea parties across the nation on these channels? Show me all the things we read here on this forum that is posted on many online news organizations across the world!

FOX & CNN & MSNBC ARE ALL CONTROLLED! :) But i'm sure u already knew that. ;)

Funny how you dog him...It's even funnier that he dedicate 3 hours a day talking about the same things us revolutioners talk about on the radio. Which I might add is his program. He has even stated publically that he has guidelines on Fox that he doesn't have on his radio show. Why don't the naysayers try listening to his radio show before they totally write Glenn off..

But whatever your view.. Glenn is helping the movement..no matter what his intentions may or may not be...for me.. I believe his heart is in the right place and that he has seen the "light" in ways he didn't see it a year ago, which he even admitted to not long ago on his radio program.

[Anti Federalist]

With all due respect to the OP, Beck is a whore.

He will sell himself to the trend of the day. HE PIMPED the war NONSTOP before and during the invasion of Iraq.

During the primaries, he would get on Houston AM stations AND BASH Ron Paul and call his supporters crazed terrorists.

Fuck Glenn Beck. He knows people are pissed out there, so now he sells his cheap anus to that crowd.

This^^

[angelatc]

Funny how you dog him...It's even funnier that he dedicate 3 hours a day talking about the same things us revolutioners talk about on the radio. Which I might add is his program. He has even stated publically that he has guidelines on Fox that he doesn't have on his radio show. Why don't the naysayers try listening to his radio show before they totally write Glenn off..

But whatever your view.. Glenn is helping the movement..no matter what his intentions may or may not be...for me.. I believe his heart is in the right place and that he has seen the "light" in ways he didn't see it a year ago, which he even admitted to not long ago on his radio program.

I hear him. I heard that he told Sheuer something like "I used to hate you.." But in December of '07, Beck had Paul on for an entire hour. It was a great inverview, and Beck even said "I want to french kiss you!" There was much rejoicing.

The very next morning, Beck was viciously attacking Paul and his supporters on his radio show. IT was almost surreal. It was hard to believe that it was the same guy.

So forgive us if some of us will forever think that Beck is lying and/or mentally deranged.

[GunnyFreedom]

Who cares if you like Beck, or if he is 'genuine' or a 'media whore?' It doesn't fucking matter!

How fucking hard is this equation for all you morons?

1) no mainstream exposure = fringe; lots of mainstream exposure = not-fringe

2) people do not elect Presidents that are fringe; people elect Presidents that are not-fringe

3) if we want one of OUR GUYS in the White House in 2012, then we NEED mainstream exposure

My God, am I speaking GREEK unawares? Are second grade level syllogisms beyond the grasp of libertarians?

THIS is why we will FOREVER live in a TYRANNY. Whenever our message SEES THE LIGHT OF DAY you people ASSASSINATE whomever manages to BRING IT.

Jesus Christ people! If the shoe were on the other foot, the Neocons were taking over the country, and they managed to convince a 'libertarian' pundit to start talking 'neocon' those assholes would be dancing for joy and popping champagne!

I don't think you people WANT to win; because if we DID win, you couldn't be REBELS anymore!

I don't give a fuck about you or your rebellion! I am here to SAVE MY FUCKING COUNTRY. And all of you who want to put a bullet or a machete into every single success we manage, CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT TO FUCKING HELL!

[pcosmar]

I don't give a fuck about you or your rebellion! I am here to SAVE MY FUCKING COUNTRY. And all of you who want to put a bullet or a machete into every single success we manage, CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT TO FUCKING HELL!

Fact=THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T RUN THINGS

We could elect Ron Paul, and change NOTHING.
I could give a shit about the GOP right now, Burn it down, replace it, same with the Democrats.
Reality Check+ we are heading into a One World Government.
People need to get ready for "change" cause it's here.

I was all in for the Revolution. I tried to work within the GOP, We tried to Get The Message Out.
We have woken some up, and there have been small inroads made.
This country is about to crash, and crash hard. I do not expect to see another election, or if there is it will be another staged show.
I am working on the resistance.

[benhaskins]

perhaps some comparisions can be made to this situation.

What comes to my mind is the fans of an underground band. As the band becomes more well-known their style/sound is sometimes copyied and you will the see the influence in other bands. Then this resentment can develop from the fans of the "original" band to those who enjoy the "copycat" bands.

Obviously, Glen Beck does not equal Ron Paul. However, I think we can all agree that we enjoy the style/sound of the constitution/limited gov./sound money/ect.

[GunnyFreedom]

perhaps some comparisions can be made to this situation.

What comes to my mind is the fans of an underground band. As the band becomes more well-known their style/sound is sometimes copyied and you will the see the influence in other bands. Then this resentment can develop from the fans of the "original" band to those who enjoy the "copycat" bands.

Obviously, Glen Beck does not equal Ron Paul. However, I think we can all agree that we enjoy the style/sound of the constitution/limited gov./sound money/ect.

this.

[FreeMama]

well said :)

[werdd]

Who cares if you like Beck, or if he is 'genuine' or a 'media whore?' It doesn't fucking matter!

How fucking hard is this equation for all you morons?

1) no mainstream exposure = fringe; lots of mainstream exposure = not-fringe

2) people do not elect Presidents that are fringe; people elect Presidents that are not-fringe

3) if we want one of OUR GUYS in the White House in 2012, then we NEED mainstream exposure

My God, am I speaking GREEK unawares? Are second grade level syllogisms beyond the grasp of libertarians?

THIS is why we will FOREVER live in a TYRANNY. Whenever our message SEES THE LIGHT OF DAY you people ASSASSINATE whomever manages to BRING IT.

Jesus Christ people! If the shoe were on the other foot, the Neocons were taking over the country, and they managed to convince a 'libertarian' pundit to start talking 'neocon' those assholes would be dancing for joy and popping champagne!

I don't think you people WANT to win; because if we DID win, you couldn't be REBELS anymore!

I don't give a fuck about you or your rebellion! I am here to SAVE MY FUCKING COUNTRY. And all of you who want to put a bullet or a machete into every single success we manage, CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT TO FUCKING HELL!

QFT sir.

Liberty ideas on the MSM = good exposure.

[DAFTEK]

i hear him. I heard that he told sheuer something like "i used to hate you.." but in december of '07, beck had paul on for an entire hour. It was a great inverview, and beck even said "i want to french kiss you!" there was much rejoicing.

The very next morning, beck was viciously attacking paul and his supporters on his radio show. It was almost surreal. It was hard to believe that it was the same guy.

So forgive us if some of us will forever think that beck is lying and/or mentally deranged.

^^this!

[tonesforjonesbones]

GUNNY! Way to go...and I made the analogy earlier on it reminds me of my purist jazz friends who LOVED Diana Krall...she was the best pianist ever UNTIL she went mainstream...then she was reduced to chit. Incredible. She got real jazz on the map and they hate her for it...what is the success of being a maryter????? TONES

[SimpleName]

We had pro-Beck threads, that went overboard with love, then an irritating line of anti-Beck threads, and now we have the anti anti-Beck threads mixed in with the latest anti pro-Beck threads. Why do we even care? Right now, he is doing a decent job waking people up, but we criticize and bitch. I realize he is a complete dope sometimes, but who the hell else on TV talks about the Federal Reserve's evil practices? He could just be scum, but who really knows? And if does turn out to be just a neocon hack trying to deafen our movement, I will surely apologize for say positive things about the guy, but for right now, I suggest we use him for our own good.

[RevolutionSD]

To the Anti-Beck Crowd.....

You all attack the one person in media that is pushing Ron Paul, and our issues DAILY. Yes, in the past he may have made some big mistakes. He did not jump onto the liberty wagon during the campaign. I must tell a few things though....

I attended a Glen Beck Christmas event here in Salt lake City two years ago. This was the height of the Ron Paul campaign and we had rented a suite at the arena to pass out great literature and free hot chocolate. During this event Mr. Beck spoke from his heart. This was not a media event, rather a personal thing which he does now and then.

Glen Beck is a Mormon and has a large following here and the arena was packed. Mr Beck spoke of things he could not say on the news at that time. He was one of US! He did not agree with everything (do any of us 100%?) especially foreign policy.

My personal opinion after listening to Mr. Beck in person is that he has not changed at all..... its the employer that have let him only now speak his mind, heart, and soul. He is one of US and for all you that bash him every day he helps the movement I am ashamed.

Yeah he's a great libertarian, who cares if he loves the idea of killing innocent people in the middle east for an empirical agenda? At least he can't be accused of being a collectivist. :(

[Don't Tread on Mike]

To the Anti-Beck Crowd.....

You all attack the one person in media that is pushing Ron Paul, and our issues DAILY. Yes, in the past he may have made some big mistakes. He did not jump onto the liberty wagon during the campaign. I must tell a few things though....

I attended a Glen Beck Christmas event here in Salt lake City two years ago. This was the height of the Ron Paul campaign and we had rented a suite at the arena to pass out great literature and free hot chocolate. During this event Mr. Beck spoke from his heart. This was not a media event, rather a personal thing which he does now and then.

Glen Beck is a Mormon and has a large following here and the arena was packed. Mr Beck spoke of things he could not say on the news at that time. He was one of US! He did not agree with everything (do any of us 100%?) especially foreign policy.

My personal opinion after listening to Mr. Beck in person is that he has not changed at all..... its the employer that have let him only now speak his mind, heart, and soul. He is one of US and for all you that bash him every day he helps the movement I am ashamed.

+1 for posting this. People really need to give him a chance.

[Mani]

We had pro-Beck threads, that went overboard with love, then an irritating line of anti-Beck threads, and now we have the anti anti-Beck threads mixed in with the latest anti pro-Beck threads. Why do we even care? Right now, he is doing a decent job waking people up, but we criticize and bitch. I realize he is a complete dope sometimes, but who the hell else on TV talks about the Federal Reserve's evil practices? He could just be scum, but who really knows? And if does turn out to be just a neocon hack trying to deafen our movement, I will surely apologize for say positive things about the guy, but for right now, I suggest we use him for our own good.


Why can't we be like the other successful groups out there? They use people to advance their agenda and their campaign.

Why can't we use Glenn Beck's limited govt libertarian type of message to our advantage?

Fuck Glenn Beck. No one needs to love the guy. But use is message. We need to tap into the group that doesn't like Socialism.

I live in a very liberal area and if you don't believe in government health care it means you hate people, You are basically EVIL. The socialists have ALREADY WON their MINDS, and now are INCREASING their numbers.

Now at this VERY MOMENT, I don't care if Beck is an evil plant, because right now I need some allies. If he can lit up people and get into their heads that we should be small government, and stop printing money, stop bailouts and govt taking over private industry and and stop this socialist agenda, at this moment he's supporting our cause.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's fucked up. But we need all the help we can get. It may be a TEMPORARY truce, but we need it.

Anyone who is spreading that message, especially the rare MSM person, should be accepted AT THIS TIME.

The reason being, HE INFLUENCES MANY SHEEP. If we can tap into these people and get them to call their congressmen and women MAKE THEM support HR 1207, THEN AREN'T WE ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING?

If these people are on the same page as us (EVEN TEMPORARILY) we can accomplish MANY of our goals.

That is how we can use BECK. Fuck him, he's a whore, he's a fake, he's a liar. But if we can tap into his audience and WAKE up some people, and get some to work with us to STOP the government from DESTROYING the country, then Glenn's voice is a positive.

For those of you who think it's TOO IMMORAL to engage with Beck, well consider this:

Ron Paul offered the letters of marque and reprisal to hunt down pirates and hunt down Osama. You think these are saintly people with perfect ethics who will boldly and nobly due their duties???

No, these are hired mercenaries who are paid to accomplish a task. No one is asking if these a great, noble, honest men, there might be some pretty seedy people, but they are being USED to get something done.

Well think of Glenn Beck has one of those guys. He can HELP US ACCOMPLISH A TASK.

Right now he's in agreement with MANY parts of our movement. We need to use him and tap into his audience to ACCOMPLISH OUR TASKS.