Neocons will try to destroy Glen Beck now

[Invalid]

Beck came out tonight, and said he supports a non-interventionist foreign policy. If he really means it, the interest groups PNAC, the weekly standard, AIPAC, the new republic etc etc will move to destroy him completely.

I don't know if he fully means it, but I think he's shifting. If we have a prime time Fox News channel person on our side, he could prove to be an invaluable asset in our effort to smash the government.

[ClayTrainor]

Beck changed his views on Foreign policy?

[LittleLightShining]

Youtube or it didn't happen.

[angelatc]

No they won't. Right now the party will unite against Obama's socialism.

[Invalid]

ok here it is ---->>>Glen Beck says we should not patrol the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfK91XnBdQ)

[LittleLightShining]

ok here it is ---->>>Glen Beck says we should not patrol the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfK91XnBdQ)Thanks.

I'm dumbfounded. I knew he was coming around but I don't know whether to trust him anymore. I'd like to see him talking like this on tv.

[constituent]

ok here it is ---->>>Glen Beck says we should not patrol the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfK91XnBdQ)

"the answer to that now for me is no."

"you can't just pull troops out all over the world... you move in transition"

...besides, the military needs to be where we really need them, the southern border. right?


[love the "libertarian" voice he does too, real friend that guy]

[Invalid]

"the answer to that now for me is no."

"you can't just pull troops out all over the world... you move in transition"

...besides, the military needs to be where we really need them, the southern border. right?


[love the "libertarian" voice he does too, real friend that guy]



Ya but I truly believe getting a person in who supports our foreign policy is by far the most important goal so if he is serious about that, well then I think he's worth supporting.

[Sandra]

Your thread title is framed to charge those that disagree with Beck with as "neo-cons".

[ClayTrainor]

ok here it is ---->>>Glen Beck says we should not patrol the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfK91XnBdQ)

:o

[tonesforjonesbones]

Glenn Beck is GOOD..I agree with EVERYTHING he said. Thank GOD Glenn Beck is coming around and thank GOD people are listening to him. He has to go gently...the grassroots neo cons have been brainwashed for a LONG time, but they are listening to him and his ratings are climbing. This is a real blessing for our movement. tones

[reduen]

He just gained a new listener/watcher with me if he keeps this up so hey it works I guess.... I will however keep hm on a short leash. (So to speak!)

He was very mean to us during the campaign....:(

[heavenlyboy34]

Glenn Beck is GOOD..I agree with EVERYTHING he said. Thank GOD Glenn Beck is coming around and thank GOD people are listening to him. He has to go gently...the grassroots neo cons have been brainwashed for a LONG time, but they are listening to him and his ratings are climbing. This is a real blessing for our movement. tones

+1

Trust but verify. :D;):cool:

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes he was..but people can and do convert...I say Beck is in a conversion right now..we should encourage him to come on in! tones

[Auntie Republicrat]

...it seems as though 'the microphone' will tend to be 'kept away' from anyone who is a threat to the exi$ting, $tinking republicrat order..

..beck is no threat..i've heard him repeatedly support the stinking republican conservatives (my apologies to ron paul ALONE)..

..Beck continually supports/is silent about hideous US imperialism, massive fraud related to the issuance of 'money,' the stinking 'drug war,' etc. ad nauseam..

..let's face it, with stinking phony 'libertarians' like beck, who needs republicrats?

(BTW..i recently received a warning from ?'liberty eagle'..i certainly hope this isn't yet another stinking forum where nobody can tell the truth about the stinking, phony 'conservative' movement..as it appears there are many people trying to smear/tarnish decent libertarians..calling us 'conservative!!'...yuk...)

[sailor]

He doesn`t understand the meaning of non-interventionist policy. He thinks only the wars done by Democrats are interventionist. WRONG! Invading Iraq and Afganistan that is intervention too.

Nevermind his fearmongering on Russia.

[sailor]

Basicaly his problem is he talks too much. If he was sincere he could take a few moments of his time and do a little research, a little reading on stuff which is confusing him right now if he really is a "libertarian in conversion" and come to some conclusions whatever they might be. Instead he can`t take a short time off from his mouthing off.

Even on this very clip that is linked to he is talking out of his butt on what libertarians are without having a clue really what we stand for. He makes us into a caricature, but it is he who is a caricature.

[acptulsa]

He was very mean to us during the campaign....:(

A well trained attack dog indeed. People, many of us are severely underestimating how thoroughly Faux damaged its credibility last year. I'm here in the reddest of the red states, the Buckle of the Bible Belt, and I assure you Faux is in serious need of street cred among its customers. I don't know if there's more to all of this or not, but that's certainly enough reason for them to pretend to like and respect us for a time.

If some of his arguments help you educate someone, great! Wonderful! But wandering about saying Beck is great and his every word is golden will, I'm pretty sure, leave you as red in the face as tones was last year after telling us over and over how trustworthy the G.O.P. is.

[Auntie Republicrat]

..are there any decent libertarians out there who are disgusted with 'libertarianism' being packaged with stinking 'conservatism?'..

..i know several libertarians who have stopped $upporting the LP since they have turned "Republicrat"..i.e. the Bob Barf crowd, the stoooooopid Republicrat 'conservative' LNC members, etc..

[LibertyEagle]

...it seems as though 'the microphone' will tend to be 'kept away' from anyone who is a threat to the exi$ting, $tinking republicrat order..

..beck is no threat..i've heard him repeatedly support the stinking republican conservatives (my apologies to ron paul ALONE)..

..Beck continually supports/is silent about hideous US imperialism, massive fraud related to the issuance of 'money,' the stinking 'drug war,' etc. ad nauseam..

..let's face it, with stinking phony 'libertarians' like beck, who needs republicrats?

(BTW..i recently received a warning from ?'liberty eagle'..i certainly hope this isn't yet another stinking forum where nobody can tell the truth about the stinking, phony 'conservative' movement..as it appears there are many people trying to smear/tarnish decent libertarians..calling us 'conservative!!'...yuk...)

Ron Paul has quite a few supporters who are traditional conservatives and Ron himself has said on numerous occasions that he is the most conservative member of Congress. He has supporters across the political spectrum. This movement is not limited to conservatives, classical liberals, or even libertarians. Although most everyone shares a lot of common libertarian principles.

So instead of painting everyone with that broad brush of yours, perhaps you need to educate yourself on what happened to the conservative movement by reviewing one of RP's speeches, Neo-conned. Neocons are not conservatives at all and never were.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4156174553630131591

[sailor]

People, many of us are severely underestimating how thoroughly Faux damaged its credibility last year. I'm here in the reddest of the red states, the Buckle of the Bible Belt, and I assure you Faux is in serious need of street cred among its customers. I don't know if there's more to all of this or not, but that's certainly enough reason for them to pretend to like and respect us for a time.

I can very much belive this. This sort of explanation makes the most sense.

Many people still don`t know about Ron Paul but nobody who does thinks he lacks credibility. Even people who disagree with him routinely salute him for his credibility and honesty.

So it is very likely that FOX is trying to steal his mojo!

[Auntie Republicrat]

LIBERTY EAGLE WRITES: "So instead of painting everyone with that broad brush of yours, perhaps you need to educate yourself on what happened to the conservative movement by reviewing one of RP's speeches, Neo-conned. Neocons are not conservatives at all and never were." (END)

..c'mon man!..there are LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF REPUBLICRAT CONGRESSCRITTERS WHO REFER TO THEMSELVES AS "CONSERVATIVE"..PLEASE NAME JUST 10 (other than ron paul) WHO A DECENT, KNOWLEDGEABLE LIBERTARIAN COULD HONESTLY SUPPORT...

...every one of the Republican stinkers who ran with RP for pres. claim to be 'conservative'...the word 'conservative' is largely caca...why would any decent libertarian want to be associated with any conservative?.. (again, other than the decent oddity, RP)

[acptulsa]

..are there any decent libertarians out there who are disgusted with 'libertarianism' being packaged with stinking 'conservatism?'..

..i know several libertarians who have stopped $upporting the LP since they have turned "Republicrat"..i.e. the Bob Barf crowd, the stoooooopid Republicrat 'conservative' LNC members, etc..

And I am another who has stopped supporting the LP--not that it entirely deserves it.

Instead, I'm helping to return the favor. The Tulsa County G.O.P. now has true conservatives in the chair and vice chair positions. They are very good people. In my own opinion, the previous chair and vice chair fit your broad brush description to a tee. The new ones do not.

I've been railing about this crap for long enough. It's much more rewarding to do something about it. We are far better off, I think, not grouping the RINO leaders in with the good conservative people who were once foolish enough to follow them.


..c'mon man!..there are LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF REPUBLICRAT CONGRESSCRITTERS WHO REFER TO THEMSELVES AS "CONSERVATIVE"..PLEASE NAME JUST 10 (other than ron paul) WHO A DECENT, KNOWLEDGEABLE LIBERTARIAN COULD HONESTLY SUPPORT...

They also like to wrap themselves in the flag. Shall we burn that, too? I mean, it would get their stench off of it, but some of us kind of like Old Glory...

[Auntie Republicrat]

BTW, LIBERTY EAGLE, you sound as though, not so long ago, these 'conservatives' were decent..

...must i paste the truly HIDEOUS record of 'conservative' hero Ronnie Reagan for you?

[Sandra]

BTW, LIBERTY EAGLE, you sound as though, not so long ago, these 'conservatives' were decent..

...must i paste the truly HIDEOUS record of 'conservative' hero Ronnie Reagan for you?


Not again. There's already a Reagan thread. Go there if you must.

[MsDoodahs]

Instead, I'm helping to return the favor. The Tulsa County G.O.P. now has true conservatives in the chair and vice chair positions. They are very good people. In my own opinion, the previous chair and vice chair fit your broad brush description to a tee. The new ones do not.

I've been railing about this crap for long enough. It's much more rewarding to do something about it. We are far better off, I think, not grouping the RINO leaders in with the good conservative people who were once foolish enough to follow them.



Local is where we have the most impact and where the change begins.

If we have enough time to effect change....which nowadays is debateable...

:(

[LibertyEagle]

..c'mon man!..there are LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF REPUBLICRAT CONGRESSCRITTERS WHO REFER TO THEMSELVES AS "CONSERVATIVE"..PLEASE NAME JUST 10 (other than ron paul) WHO A DECENT, KNOWLEDGEABLE LIBERTARIAN COULD HONESTLY SUPPORT...
I doubt I could name 10 who are currently in Congress. Which is one of the reasons I and others are in this movement and quite frankly, have been supporting Ron Paul for a very long time.


...every one of the Republican stinkers who ran with RP for pres. claim to be 'conservative'...the word 'conservative' is largely caca...why would any decent libertarian want to be associated with any conservative?.. (again, other than the decent oddity, RP)
Yes, I know and I agree with you about the other candidates. I was just as disgusted as you. But again, just because someone calls themselves a conservative does not mean that they are one. After Reagan, everyone and their dog in the Republican Party started calling themselves a conservative. Like somehow Republican and "conservative" went together. That was and is a complete falsehood. Conservatism is a set of principles and doesn't belong to a political party. That said, you need to understand that there have always been multiple factions in the Republican party. Big government leftists, commonly referred to as "Rockefeller Republicans" and then there used to be quite a few small government libertarian-conservatives. Then along came the ex-Trotskyite neoconservatives and completely infiltrated the conservative movement. They've successfully trashed the name, just like what happened long ago with the term "liberal".

Seriously, watch that video.

[LibertyEagle]

BTW, LIBERTY EAGLE, you sound as though, not so long ago, these 'conservatives' were decent..

...must i paste the truly HIDEOUS record of 'conservative' hero Ronnie Reagan for you?

Yes, in my opinion, long ago, they were pretty decent. What Reagan SAID was pretty darn good. Ron Paul liked it too, as indicated by his strong initial support for Reagan. Unfortunately Reagan did not walk his talk and the rest is history.

By the way, I think Barry Goldwater was pretty darn good.

[Pennsylvania]

i certainly hope this isn't yet another stinking forum where nobody can tell the truth about the stinking, phony 'conservative' movement..as it appears there are many people trying to smear/tarnish decent libertarians..calling us 'conservative!!'...yuk...)

Auntie,

I hope you won't mind some constructive criticism here, but with all due respect, it's all in how you say things. Now, you are here with a significantly low post count, so people are not familiar with your views or your personality, so imagine how many people who are reading your post are building a perception of you. The question is, do you want that perception to be positive or negative? :) Tread softly for a while. The people on this forum are mostly willing to hear ALL views, no matter how bizarre, because most of us are used to being marginalized. Do a search if you would like and you will find exactly where this forum stands on phony conservatism. I think you will find that you agree with much more than you disagree with.

[ItsTime]

ok here it is ---->>>Glen Beck says we should not patrol the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfK91XnBdQ)

Just watched it. The last 1 or 1.5 min were the best. I hope he means what he says.

[AuH20]

BTW, LIBERTY EAGLE, you sound as though, not so long ago, these 'conservatives' were decent..

...must i paste the truly HIDEOUS record of 'conservative' hero Ronnie Reagan for you?

The conservatives sold their soul for the quick buck instead of trying to build an honest, informed voting bloc through education and principles. They play into the liberals' game, by utilizing the government to "solve" nearly every problem, instead of refuting them at every turn. Conservatism isn't about lower taxes and a strong military, in fact these things are trivial to the entire philosophy.

[acptulsa]

Local is where we have the most impact and where the change begins.

If we have enough time to effect change....which nowadays is debateable...

:(

The only difference time makes is, it will affect how much rebuilding we have to do.

:mad:

[Patriot110]

He's not getting it yet. He's doing better than ever before, perhaps he's in the process of learning.

OR he's working as a hack for the lamestream media trying to suck in the people in the know and pull them back, or fire them up and get someone to do something stupid so the leaders can initiate Martial Law.

I.E. I don't trust him until he starts saying the self-evident things that we all understand about EXACTLY who is in charge and stop talking in the 'common' language referring to 'the left' and things like that that we all know are meaningless terms in this agenda, and ones that are commonly used by the media to incite impotent anger.

[acptulsa]

He's not getting it yet. He's doing better than ever before, perhaps he's in the process of learning.

OR he's working as a hack for the lamestream media trying to suck in the people in the know and pull them back, or fire them up and get someone to do something stupid so the leaders can initiate Martial Law.

I.E. I don't trust him until he starts saying the self-evident things that we all understand about EXACTLY who is in charge and stop talking in the 'common' language referring to 'the left' and things like that that we all know are meaningless terms in this agenda, and ones that are commonly used by the media to incite impotent anger.

But it is nice of him to set himself up for the charge of being a flip-flopper. That will be handy if and when he flips right back to where he started.

[MsDoodahs]

or fire them up and get someone to do something stupid so the leaders can initiate Martial Law.



That's a concern, for sure.

[constituent]

...it seems as though 'the microphone' will tend to be 'kept away' from anyone who is a threat to the exi$ting, $tinking republicrat order..

..beck is no threat..i've heard him repeatedly support the stinking republican conservatives (my apologies to ron paul ALONE)..

..Beck continually supports/is silent about hideous US imperialism, massive fraud related to the issuance of 'money,' the stinking 'drug war,' etc. ad nauseam..

..let's face it, with stinking phony 'libertarians' like beck, who needs republicrats?

(BTW..i recently received a warning from ?'liberty eagle'..i certainly hope this isn't yet another stinking forum where nobody can tell the truth about the stinking, phony 'conservative' movement..as it appears there are many people trying to smear/tarnish decent libertarians..calling us 'conservative!!'...yuk...)


welcome.

[LittleLightShining]

Nevermind his fearmongering on Russia.Which he was doing just last week. So how serious is he really? I mean, I'm glad some of the Republicans I know are watching and listening to him. It gives ME more credibility, actually. But that doesn't mean I'm going to advise folks to watch him. He has a long way to go yet.




If some of his arguments help you educate someone, great! Wonderful! But wandering about saying Beck is great and his every word is golden will, I'm pretty sure, leave you as red in the face as tones was last year after telling us over and over how trustworthy the G.O.P. is.Yes.


Auntie,

I hope you won't mind some constructive criticism here, but with all due respect, it's all in how you say things. Now, you are here with a significantly low post count, so people are not familiar with your views or your personality, so imagine how many people who are reading your post are building a perception of you. The question is, do you want that perception to be positive or negative? :) Tread softly for a while. The people on this forum are mostly willing to hear ALL views, no matter how bizarre, because most of us are used to being marginalized. Do a search if you would like and you will find exactly where this forum stands on phony conservatism. I think you will find that you agree with much more than you disagree with.+1


welcome. Indeed, welcome.

[constituent]

If we have enough time to effect change....which nowadays is debateable...

:(


you got time every time you see anybody.

lots and lots and lots of time.

Rome burns and folks are pleased to wait around for a county meeting, scripted "tea parties."

[AuH20]

Excellent article about concession to the collectivists. Its funny that Reagan was revered so, but he shirked his responsiblity:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=91292



The Reagan years were good for America in many ways. Reagan was the best leader of my lifetime – and probably the best American president of the 20th century.

But he still left us with bigger government. He didn't eliminate the Department of Education. He didn't eliminate the Internal Revenue Service. He didn't eliminate the Federal Reserve. He didn't eliminate many of the most destructive, immoral and lawless institutions that knocked America from its pedestal as a shining city on a hill.

His eight years were a respite from a raging storm of relentless attacks on liberty and Americanism. But they didn't reverse those attacks. They didn't defeat the evil forces conducting them. All they did was hold them at bay.

And that's the fundamental trouble I have with conservatism. It is defensive in nature. It seeks to hold the line against attacks, but seldom succeeds in taking back ground for freedom.

I don't see the fundamental conflict in America between "conservatives" and "liberals." I see the conflict as between good and evil. And the political conflict is, in effect, rigged between a political movement that pushes for more government control and less individual freedom and an alternative movement that seeks only to hold back the other.

Where is the movement to teach freedom? Where is the movement to revive truth and justice? Where is the cultural movement to change hearts and minds and expose the insidious forces of evil for what they are?

"Liberals" are not the enemy. Liberals are mostly people who have been deceived – people who have been programmed to hand over control of their lives to elites. They were programmed to do that from the day they entered school. They got advanced degrees in handing over their liberty when they attended colleges and universities. In most cases, they are nice people who have simply been conditioned to accept control over their lives in exchange for what they perceive to be some measure of security.

[axiomata]

And that's the fundamental trouble I have with conservatism. It is defensive in nature. It seeks to hold the line against attacks, but seldom succeeds in taking back ground for freedom.

If conservatism is defined as simply a resistance to change its losses are inevitable. A reactive movement will not be successful.

[AuH20]

If conservatism is defined as simply a resistance to change its losses are inevitable. A reactive movement will not be successful.

The GOP's "conservatism" is basically a slow crawl to slavery. :mad: Frightening to ponder, huh?

[LittleLightShining]

you got time every time you see anybody.

lots and lots and lots of time.

Rome burns and folks are pleased to wait around for a county meeting, scripted "tea parties."Why are you making assumptions like this? You don't know what people are doing.

How frustrating is it that I'm on a first name basis with aides in my so-called "representatives" offices yet I get the same bs replies back about my concerns? How frustrating is it that these fackers do whatever the heck they want and they don't care? THEY AREN'T ACCOUNTABLE.

I'm taking what you said personally because I'm going to a county meeting tonight and I'm organizing a tea party. Why am I doing this? Because change doesn't happen if you don't involve the parties. I'm no rogue agent. You need to have people on your side, respecting you. Talking to people is great-- must be done-- but then what? Do you think they'll get involved? Why is Ron Paul a Republican?

I'm not trying to be some disaffected crybaby who complains about parties and msm and not trusting anyone. Maybe I do feel that way inside but I'm pretty much over myself and recognize that it's the fackin county meetings and tea parties that are making people trust me and listen to me and ask me NOW if I can get Ron Paul to come talk in VT. These people who couldn't give two craps about Ron Paul this time last year.

Spare me your melancholy irony.

*exhale* I mean that in the nicest way possible :o

[constituent]

Why are you making assumptions like this? You don't know what people are doing.

How frustrating is it that I'm on a first name basis with aides in my so-called "representatives" offices yet I get the same bs replies back about my concerns? How frustrating is it that these fackers do whatever the heck they want and they don't care? THEY AREN'T ACCOUNTABLE.

I'm taking what you said personally because I'm going to a county meeting tonight and I'm organizing a tea party. Why am I doing this? Because change doesn't happen if you don't involve the parties. I'm no rogue agent. You need to have people on your side, respecting you. Talking to people is great-- must be done-- but then what? Do you think they'll get involved? Why is Ron Paul a Republican?

I'm not trying to be some disaffected crybaby who complains about parties and msm and not trusting anyone. Maybe I do feel that way inside but I'm pretty much over myself and recognize that it's the fackin county meetings and tea parties that are making people trust me and listen to me and ask me NOW if I can get Ron Paul to come talk in VT. These people who couldn't give two craps about Ron Paul this time last year.

Spare me your melancholy irony.

*exhale* I mean that in the nicest way possible :o

lol...

MsD knows that it wasn't an accusation of her actions/inactions. i don't think you should , and hope you won't, sweat it either. ;) :)

[constituent]

I'm not trying to be some disaffected crybaby who complains about parties and msm and not trusting anyone. Maybe I do feel that way inside but I'm pretty much over myself and recognize that it's the fackin county meetings and tea parties that are making people trust me and listen to me and ask me NOW if I can get Ron Paul to come talk in VT. These people who couldn't give two craps about Ron Paul this time last year.


As an aside, i think you grossly underestimate my activity outside of the forumzzzzzzzz.

Simply put, you and i have diverged on what we see as the correct way forward and what does/does not constitutes an equitable exchange in terms of effort spent and reward gained, it's no big deal really.

Fundamentally, I believe the two of us are on the same page (if not paragraph).

[LittleLightShining]

As an aside, i think you grossly underestimate my activity outside of the forumzzzzzzzz.

Simply put, you and i have diverged on what we see as the correct way forward and what does/does not constitutes an equitable exchange in terms of effort spent and reward gained, it's no big deal really.

Fundamentally, I believe the two of us are on the same page (if not paragraph).Maybe I have. Not that I don't think you do anything-- not at all. Quite the opposite. I was coming back to edit my post because I didn't mean to sound like that. I'm tired. I'm frustrated. And I have enough people playing devil's advocate with me right now that I'm in hyper-defensive mode.

Sorry. Thanks for understanding.

[acptulsa]

Maybe I have. Not that I don't think you do anything-- not at all. Quite the opposite. I was coming back to edit my post because I didn't mean to sound like that. I'm tired. I'm frustrated. And I have enough people playing devil's advocate with me right now that I'm in hyper-defensive mode.

Sorry. Thanks for understanding.

Please don't edit your post. Leave that passion untouched. I, for one, like to see it.

[voytechs]

Beck came out tonight, and said he supports a non-interventionist foreign policy. If he really means it, the interest groups PNAC, the weekly standard, AIPAC, the new republic etc etc will move to destroy him completely.

I don't know if he fully means it, but I think he's shifting. If we have a prime time Fox News channel person on our side, he could prove to be an invaluable asset in our effort to smash the government.

He's been a warmonger and neocon through and through. You should check his definition of "noninterventialism" first before jumping to conclusions. I would wait for some follow through as well.

[constituent]

I was coming back to edit my post because I didn't mean to sound like that.

You're so funny (and i mean that in a nice, not plain text kinda way ;) )!



I'm tired. I'm frustrated.

It's cool, take things easy, one at a time and all will work out for the best.



And I have enough people playing devil's advocate with me right now that I'm in hyper-defensive mode.

You don't need to be, so I hope that helps.



Sorry. Thanks for understanding.

Apology not necessary, but nice of you none the less. :) ;) :D

[heavenlyboy34]

I overheard my mom and sis watching Beck explain the horrors of the recent bailouts earlier. They are both diehard republicans, and anti-RP. After watching Beck's explanation, they got it. :eek: It seems bizarre to me, but I think Beck is reaching people. I've decided to support him for the time being. :)

[tonesforjonesbones]

Beck is reaching a LOT of people..more power to him. tones

[heavenlyboy34]

Beck is reaching a LOT of people..more power to him. tones

+1 ~hugs Tones~ :) Good to see ya!

[Liberty Star]

I have never understood why some people say he has mental health issues. He has had serious drug problems but still what is basis of such charges?



Beck: Iraq Withdrawal Would Be ‘America’s Most Shameful Act Of Immorality Since Slavery’

CNN Headline News anchor Glenn Beck said tonight that if America withdraws from Iraq, it “would be America’s most shameful act of immorality since slavery,” adding that congressional war opponents are “just plain stupid” and “can’t see the future.”


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/24/beck-slavery/

[paulitics]

He's been a warmonger and neocon through and through. You should check his definition of "noninterventialism" first before jumping to conclusions. I would wait for some follow through as well.

I think he has changed his stance. He still has a way to go, but basically he says he wants to return to pre WW2 noninterventionism, but that we can't close all our bases at one time, because it would create a vacuum.

[Auntie Republicrat]

LIBERTY EAGLE WROTE: "By the way, I think Barry Goldwater was pretty darn good." (END)


..i've been around a long time ..goldwater knew enough to mind his business as to 'abortion'..he supported medical marijuana, i believe..etc..

...BUT..i remember him as a crazed 'anti-communist'..a vietnam warmonger who wanted to 'use atomic bombs to defoliate the asian jungles where the communists were hiding'...he also defended stinking, i mean STINKING, US foreign policy/interventionism almost right down the line...

...LIBERTY EAGLE, you make my point for me!.. i.e. the only 'conservative' federal politician you mention favorably, OUT OF THE HUNDREDS WHO HAVE HELD OFFICE through the years, was an imperialist, a stinking 'mccarthyite,' etc..WHO'S BEEN DEAD FOR A DECADE!!

...WHY WOULD ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS HONEST LIBERTARIANISM WANT TO SEE IT CONFUSED/LINKED WITH STINKING 'CONSERVATISM' WHEN SOME 99% OF 'CONSERVATIVE' LEADERS/POLITICIANS ARE MISERABLE, PHONY, WARMONGERS, IGNORAMUSSES etc.? (my apologies to ron paul ALONE)

..linking 'conservatism' to libertarianism might bode well for the stinking 'conservatives'...but, IT IS OBVIOUS, libertarians/ism will suffer from the association..

(btw, i was recently listening to the local conservative republican squawk talk radio show...they do a regular bit with a 'liberal' vs. 'MR. CONSERVATIVE' (as he is known)..HE CONSTANTLY LAMENTS THAT STINKING WILLARD MILTON ROMNEY ISN'T OUR PRESIDENT..

...it seems to me, libertarians who lay down with these STINKING conservatives deserve the fleas they will get.. ;)

..(btw, thanks for the advice, pennsylvania!..)

[Invalid]

Send emails protesting O'Reilly's family values sex tapes.

That guy is obnoxious

[AuH20]

LIBERTY EAGLE WROTE: "By the way, I think Barry Goldwater was pretty darn good." (END)


..i've been around a long time ..goldwater knew enough to mind his business as to 'abortion'..he supported medical marijuana, i believe..etc..

...BUT..i remember him as a crazed 'anti-communist'..a vietnam warmonger who wanted to 'use atomic bombs to defoliate the asian jungles where the communists were hiding'...he also defended stinking, i mean STINKING, US foreign policy/interventionism almost right down the line...

...LIBERTY EAGLE, you make my point for me!.. i.e. the only 'conservative' federal politician you mention favorably, OUT OF THE HUNDREDS WHO HAVE HELD OFFICE through the years, was an imperialist, a stinking 'mccarthyite,' etc..WHO'S BEEN DEAD FOR A DECADE!!

...WHY WOULD ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS HONEST LIBERTARIANISM WANT TO SEE IT CONFUSED/LINKED WITH STINKING 'CONSERVATISM' WHEN SOME 99% OF 'CONSERVATIVE' LEADERS/POLITICIANS ARE MISERABLE, PHONY, WARMONGERS, IGNORAMUSSES etc.? (my apologies to ron paul ALONE)

..linking 'conservatism' to libertarianism might bode well for the stinking 'conservatives'...but, IT IS OBVIOUS, libertarians/ism will suffer from the association..

(btw, i was recently listening to the local conservative republican squawk talk radio show...they do a regular bit with a 'liberal' vs. 'MR. CONSERVATIVE' (as he is known)..HE CONSTANTLY LAMENTS THAT STINKING WILLARD MILTON ROMNEY ISN'T OUR PRESIDENT..

...it seems to me, libertarians who lay down with these STINKING conservatives deserve the fleas they will get.. ;)

..(btw, thanks for the advice, pennsylvania!..)

I don't mean to be confrontational but how would a pure libertarian state stand up against the Soviet Union at its height. In a perfect world, the US should have never gotten involved in WW2 but incidents occurred. FDR colluded with that megalomaniac Stalin and sacrificed all of Eastern Europe. You berate politicians for taking a hard anti-communist stance while those sons of a bitches were transporting our captured servicemen to Siberia for experimentation during 'Nam. Goldwater was no fan of war but like MacArthur advocated for quick resolutions to conflicts instead of decades of wheel-spinning.

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Replace O'Reilly campaign with Beck would be a good proactive step against the neocons who want to destroy him.

O'Reilly has run his show into the ground with his antics anyway. Who can possibly stand to watch that guy.

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I don't mean to be confrontational but how would a pure libertarian state stand up against the Soviet Union at its height. In a perfect world, the US should have never gotten involved in WW2 but incidents occurred. FDR colluded with that megalomaniac Stalin and sacrificed all of Eastern Europe. You berate politicians for taking a hard anti-communist stance while those sons of a bitches were transporting our captured servicemen to Siberia for experimentation during 'Nam. Goldwater was no fan of war but like MacArthur advocated for quick resolutions to conflicts instead of decades of wheel-spinning.

yes. so does ron. if you go to war. you declare it... you go in with all guns blazing (because remember- this is suppose to be a geniune threat to our safety) and you win the war as quickly as possible.

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yes. so does ron. if you go to war. you declare it... you go in with all guns blazing (because remember- this is suppose to be a geniune threat to our safety) and you win the war as quickly as possible.

Amen. War is the last option, but when you commit, you leave no stone untouched. That was the problem in Nam. They half-assed it intentionally. I don't think they wanted a resolution because it was too profitable. Only near the end with Nixon did we start bombing Hanoi and Haiphong.

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Amen. War is the last option, but when you commit, you leave no stone untouched. That was the problem in Nam. They half-assed it intentionally. I don't think they wanted a resolution because it was too profitable. Only near the end with Nixon did we start bombing Hanoi and Haiphong.

And think about this...
Why did people think nuking Nam was a bit much?
Because Nam was not a threat to us...

If china's forces were overwhelming every state of our union.. their flags were being raised over our capitals and our last line of defense was to annihilate them with nukes... we will do it. and they would do the same to us.
Thus, any war that doesn't warrant nukes... doesn't warrant a declaration... doesn't warrant losing any life because it isn't a geniune threat.

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Bill O'Reilly offends my family values.

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Beck is a phoney, he cant be trusted.

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And think about this...
Why did people think nuking Nam was a bit much?
Because Nam was not a threat to us...

If china's forces were overwhelming every state of our union.. their flags were being raised over our capitals and our last line of defense was to annihilate them with nukes... we will do it. and they would do the same to us.
Thus, any war that doesn't warrant nukes... doesn't warrant a declaration... doesn't warrant losing any life because it isn't a geniune threat.

I don't think Goldwater wanted to nuke civilian centers in 'Nam. He wanted a more aggressive policy in North Vietnam, to end the war as soon as possible. He was tough but not crazy.

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I don't think Goldwater wanted to nuke civilian centers in 'Nam. He wanted a more aggressive policy in North Vietnam, so to the end the war as soon as possible. He was tough but not crazy.

Note- i didn't say he wanted to...
I was showing how people's reactions illustrated there was no real threat.

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O'Reilly offends my family values (video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J54s1FSwLU&feature=related)

Does he offend yours?

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...apparently it's axiomatic that American "Conservatives" and 'Liberals' (Republicrats) will be the world's policeman..the only quibbles are about 'nukes vs. no nukes,' 'air wars' vs. 'boots on the ground' wars, etc. trivial issues ad nauseam..

It is OBVIOUS that decent libertarians would do well to COMPLETELY disassociate with these twisted Republicrat ooga-booga artists..

..as to 'Beck reaching a lot of people'...big deal..so did/do joseph goebbels, rush blowhard, howie mandel, etcetercrats galore.. ;)

..Beck sucks like a Hoover vacuum cleaner..

[Jace]

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JACE WRITES: "..and we need to go out there and kill all the terrorists"

:rolleyes:


...who are you trying to fool? ...the stinking, loud, conservative, know-little, Beck, HAS CHEERLED FOR THE STINKING, WARMONGERING, CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICREEPS EVER SINCE THIS PHONY WAS HANDED A MICROPHONE!..

...get real, 'Beckerheads'!.. ;)

...he's like virtually EVERY OTHER STINKING 'LIBERTARIAN'-LEANING RADIO SCUMBAG..Neal Boortz, etc..They sully the term 'libertarian'..associating us with their phony, know-little, 'conservative' Republican caca dogma..

..sickening..a constant drone of 100,000 watt amplified culch..(and then the goddamned fools have the nerve to claim 'the media is liberal'..lol!!