Chuck Baldwin: Missouri State Police Think You and I Are Terrorists

[FrankRep]

Chuck Baldwin: Missouri State Police Think You and I Are Terrorists


By Chuck Baldwin
March 17, 2009
NewsWithViews.com (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin498.htm)


Thanks to a concerned Missouri state policeman, a nationally syndicated radio talk show host stated that he was alerted last week to a secret Missouri state police report that categorized supporters of Congressman Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and myself as "'militia' influenced terrorists." The report, he said, "instructs the Missouri police to be on the lookout for supporters displaying bumper stickers and other paraphernalia associated with the Constitutional, Campaign for Liberty, and Libertarian parties."

Ignoring the threat of Muslim terrorists, the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) report focuses on the so-called "militia movement" and "conflates it with supporters of Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, the so-called patriot movement and other political activist organizations opposed to the North American Union and the New World Order."

This report is not original, of course. During the Clinton administration, a Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation and Joint Terrorism Task Force explicitly designated "defenders" of the Constitution as "right-wing extremists." However, the MIAC report significantly expands on earlier documents and is the first known document to actually name names.

According to the MIAC, opposition to world government, NAFTA, federalization of the states, and restrictive gun laws are a potential threat to the police. The MIAC report also refers to Aaron Russo's film, "America: Freedom to Fascism."

The story exposing the MIAC report states, "The MIAC report is particularly pernicious because it indoctrinates Missouri law enforcement in the belief that people who oppose confiscatory taxation, believe in the well-documented existence of a New World Order and world government (a Google search of this phrase will pull up numerous references made by scores of establishment political leaders), and are opposed to the obvious expansion of the federal government at the expense of the states as violent extremists who are gunning for the police. It specifically targets supporters of mainstream political candidates and encourages police officers to consider them dangerous terrorists."

See the report here (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/mar/14/fusion-center-data-draws-fire-over-assertions/).

The Columbia Daily Tribune also carried the story last Saturday. It quoted Missouri resident Tim Neal of Miller County. "When Neal read the report, he couldn't help but think it described him. A military veteran and a delegate to the 2008 Missouri Republican state convention, he didn't appreciate being lumped in with groups like the Neo-Nazis.

"'I was going down the list and thinking, "Check, that's me,"' he said. 'I'm a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I've got the "America: Freedom to Fascism" video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I'm a domestic terrorist? Because I've got a video about the Federal Reserve?'"

The Tribune's report also acknowledges, "The [MIAC] report's most controversial passage states that militia 'most commonly associate with third-party political groups' and support presidential candidates such as Ron Paul, former Constitutional [sic] Party candidate Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate last year."

The Tribune report also said, "Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won't know whether it's because he was speeding or because of his political views."

See the Columbia Tribune report here:

I realize that there are people who will dismiss this kind of story as insignificant. They shouldn't. This is very serious and should be treated as such. Anyone who knows anything at all about history knows that before a state or national government can persecute--and commit acts of violence against--a group of people, they must first marginalize the group from society's mainstream and categorize it as dangerous.

Rome did exactly that to Christians, as did Mao's China; Hitler's Germany did the same thing to Jews; Stalin's Russia did the same thing to political dissenters, etc. That a State police agency in America would actually infer that people who supported Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or myself in a political campaign are somehow indistinguishable from violence-prone "militias" is beyond insulting: it is a smear campaign, and might should even be regarded as a hate crime!

Beyond that, the MIAC report paints with a very broad brush. In addition to supporting Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or myself, a review of the report reveals that opposition to any of the following risks someone being classified as a potential "domestic terrorist":

The New World Order
The United Nations
Gun Control
The violation of Posse Comitatus
The Federal Reserve
The Income Tax
The Ammunition Accountability Act
A possible Constitutional Convention (Con Con)
The North American Union
Universal Service Program
Radio Frequency Identification (RFID)
Abortion on demand
Illegal Immigration

Again, if you oppose any of the above, or if you supported Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or myself, you risk being labeled a "domestic terrorist," according to the MIAC.

Do you not see how dangerous this kind of slanderous labeling can become? It could affect your flight status when you try to board an airline. It could affect your application for sensitive jobs. It could affect your adjudication before a court or judge. It could make you a target for aggressive law enforcement strategies. It could affect your being able to obtain a passport. It could affect one's ability to purchase a firearm or receive a State concealed weapon permit.

This is very serious business! We are not talking about private opinions. We are talking about law enforcement agencies. And remember, most law enforcement agencies share these types of reports; therefore, how many other state police agencies have similar reports floating around? Probably several. Plus, how do we know that this report was not influenced by federal police agencies? We don't.

Rest assured, I do not plan to take this lying down. As one who is personally named in the above report, I demand a public retraction and apology from the MIAC and Missouri State Police. I can tell you that my family is extremely distraught that their husband, father, and grandfather would be labeled in such a manner. I am also not ruling out legal action. In addition, I am discussing an appropriate response with Ron Paul and Bob Barr. I will keep readers posted as to what comes of these discussions (as I am at liberty to do so, of course).

In the meantime, I encourage everyone who believes in the freedom of speech and who believes that the MIAC report is an egregious miscarriage of justice to contact the appropriate Missouri police officials. Here is the contact information:

Email address: Brandon.middleton@mshp.dps.mo.gov

Missouri Information Analysis Center
Division of Drugs & Crime Control
P. O. Box 568
Jefferson City, MO 65102-0568
Phone: 573-751-6422
Toll Free: 866-362-6422
Fax: 573-751-9950

And lest one thinks that none of this concerns him or her, I would like to remind you of the lament of Martin Niemoeller back in the days of Hitler's Germany. Niemoeller was a decorated U-Boat Captain and pastor of great distinction. An avid anti-communist, Niemoeller at first supported Hitler's rise to power and was hesitant to oppose the violations of civil rights against various groups he personally found distasteful. It did not take long, however, before Niemoeller realized that when laws protecting the rights of all were removed from some, no one was safe--including him. Unfortunately, he learned his lesson too late, as he, too, was persecuted and imprisoned by Hitler's State Police. Here is what Niemoeller said about his indifference:


"They came first for the communists, and I did not speak up - because I was not a communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak up - because I was not a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up - because I was not a Jew;

And then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak up."

So, those of you who think you have nothing to fear because you did not vote for Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or me, or because you do not live in the State of Missouri need to think again. As I have repeatedly said, we either have freedom for all, or we have freedom for none. Truly, secret police reports such as the one above threaten the liberties of us all.

So, will you speak up now or wait until they come for you and no one is left to speak up?


SOURCE:
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin498.htm

[Original_Intent]

Nice find. Chuck is the man.

[pcosmar]

Good deal
Glad to see him speaking out.
This should be plain to see that this is a dangerous development, sadly many just don't get it.

[A. Havnes]

Way to go, Chuck Baldwin!

[heavenlyboy34]

ZOMG! They're-a comin for me, Mabel! :eek::eek::eek::eek: Git the guns!:mad::cool:

[tremendoustie]

The one thing that strikes me reading all this .... whoever made that original report stepped in it up to their thighs. They couldn't have done a better job of uniting the libertarian movement if they'd tried -- or getting people pissed at law enforcement.

I guess that's how it often works with tyranny ... it backfires.

Edit: There, now ya happy DAFTEK? :D

[FrankRep]

"I ain't scared"

:D

[torchbearer]

The one thing that strikes me reading all this .... whoever made that original report stepped in it up to their thighs. They couldn't have done a better job of uniting the libertarian movement if they'd tried -- or getting people pissed at law enforcement.

I guess that's how it often works with tyranny ... it backfires.

It was never intended for us to see.
The officer even said so on Gary Nolans radio show... he was dumb-founded as to how it got out in the first place.

[DAFTEK]

^^^ Did u really need to quote the OP post?

[UtahApocalypse]

About time someone spoke up about this. been almost a damn week and nothing from C4L or Ron Paul.

[speciallyblend]

makes me want a bumber sticker that reads domestic terrorist;)

[donnay]

Great article. I hope a class action lawsuit will commence.

Dr. Edwin Vieira should start one since "Committees of Safety" seems to be on the watch list too.

[revolutionary8]

Thanks Chuck. I'm proud to have had the honor in casting my ballot for you in Presidential Election 2008.

As far as CFL and RP "getting involved"... I am not sure the CFL should do that at such an early stage, I think the most important thing right now is getting ORGANIZED.
The CP, the LP and the GOP are "organized". I am glad that the CP is sensing the urgency of the matter...
This is not to say that the CFL doesn't recognize the dire straights, but rather, that they should shoot for the egg AFTER the chicken. Heh, we just got laid.
lmao.
In regards to the GOP, I think that the pro-lifers should be contacted STAT. From what I can tell, this is spreading like wildfire- slow and steady. Let's hope it continues.

[UtahApocalypse]

Thanks Chuck. I'm proud to have had the honor in casting my ballot for you in Presidential Election 2008.

As far as CFL and RP "getting involved"... I am not sure the CFL should do that at such an early stage, I think the most important thing right now is getting ORGANIZED.
The CP, the LP and the GOP are "organized". I am glad that the CP is sensing the urgency of the matter...

The C4L has a major event in St. Louis MO in just 2 weeks. I would say that makes this a much bigger deal for them to address then any others currently.

[revolutionary8]

The C4L has a major event in St. Louis MO in just 2 weeks. I would say that makes this a much bigger deal for them to address then any others currently.
what are they gonna do?
Battle the Fusion Centers?
The economy and the markets will take care of that soon enough. As long as the grass keeps the fire going, so much as a murmur will get blasted over the airways.

[speciallyblend]

The C4L has a major event in St. Louis MO in just 2 weeks. I would say that makes this a much bigger deal for them to address then any others currently.

well the CFL can do alot and has alot of influence ,minus the national hq of cfl(they have a large job), most states have very good organizers. I have much faith for our State Leader In Colorado!

If the CFL and the state CFL organize together with all the grassroots. then this is a force no one would mess with.

The other poster truly under estimates the CFL!!!!!!!

as far as i am concerned our state leader in Colorado for the CFL ,is our republican leader in Colorado. she isn't running for statechair but she is one great woman who has colorado republicans excited. the neo-cons will either join our message or they will write the cogop into the history books like the whig party!! the failed gop has no choice, if they do not walk or talk our message and actually pass our grassroots sniffer test. they have no chance of winning. no one is buying what they are selling!

[ronpaulhawaii]

The C4L has a major event in St. Louis MO in just 2 weeks. I would say that makes this a much bigger deal for them to address then any others currently.

What does the event have to do with it? Regardless of the nefarious nature of the document, it really is a training doc, not an action plan against the event. ISTM - making this out to be targeting the event would just make us look paranoid. I hope CfL presents a measured response, but am glad they are not rushing in...

[speciallyblend]

What does the event have to do with it? Regardless of the nefarious nature of the document, it really is a training doc, not an action plan against the event. ISTM - making this out to be targeting the event would just make us look paranoid. I hope CfL presents a measured response, but am glad they are not rushing in...

ello, i am at work overnight shift. curious question? where are you right now hehe? just wondered:)

night shift at hotel =let cute girls hit the hot tub afterhours:) oo well married killed that thought:eek:

[TruthisTreason]

What does the event have to do with it? ..

The event happens to be in the state the document is from.. :o

[revolutionary8]

What does the event have to do with it? Regardless of the nefarious nature of the document, it really is a training doc, not an action plan against the event. ISTM - making this out to be targeting the event would just make us look paranoid. I hope CfL presents a measured response, but am glad they are not rushing in...

Well, just b/c we are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get us.
I don't think the CFL has its roots in the soil deep enough to "go after" this task, this is what we have the grass for. I think the power of the grass has A LOT to do with it's ability to act independently, and above ground as compared to it's inspiration. I think of the CFL as a sort of tuber if you know what I mean.

[ronpaulhawaii]

ello, i am at work overnight shift. curious question? where are you right now hehe? just wondered:)

night shift at hotel =let cute girls hit the hot tub afterhours:) oo well married killed that thought:eek:

and me, 2000 miles away... :(:D


The event happens to be in the state the document is from.. :o

http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/o_rly.jpg

Why do you think it is the wise political move for CfL to be leading the charge in this?

[speciallyblend]

and me, 2000 miles away... :(:D



http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/o_rly.jpg

Why do you think it is the wise political move for CfL to be leading the charge in this?

well being i am in the middle of colorado that still could be either direction. I am betting on the islands but knowing you. you could be anywhere on the east coast marching to lady hope's reel;) 99cents itunes, the best revolutionary jam;)

[Theocrat]

What a great article! All I have to say is Chuck Baldwin 2012.

[Liberty Rebellion]

I have no "hang-ups" voting for Chuck Baldwin last time around. :)

[revolutionary8]

What a great article! All I have to say is Chuck Baldwin 2012.

Chuck is the BOMB.
Woops.
I mean that FIGURATIVELY
Dear Big Govy,
Please - Don't arrest me, or swat team my house, or shoot me dead outide my "compound" I was just joshin'. :p :D
pss, I don't really have a "compound". I'm not even sure what that word means.

[fj45lvr]

here's what I will tell the MO author of "information analysis":

I agree whole heartedly with your assessment that supporters of the US Constitution and people like me that are seeking the obliteration of the Federal Reserve are "terrorists".....we will be in good company with the likes of George Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Adams, etc. that were also TERRORISTS and "overthrew" the TYRANNTS of their own day!! In fact the Declaration of Independence says it is "OUR DUTY".

The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. To hell with being "sheep" led to the slaughter, the Federal Government is a JOKE and most of the citizens of the nation are idiots that don't even know what kind of government they "HAD", let alone anything about history or their inalienable rights given by GOD (not any men or governments).

Proud to be a PATRIOT.

[tremendoustie]

Chuck is the BOMB.
Woops.
I mean that FIGURATIVELY
Dear Big Govy,
Please - Don't arrest me, or swat team my house, or shoot me dead outide my "compound" I was just joshin'. :p :D
pss, I don't really have a "compound". I'm not even sure what that word means.

Compound means "the house of a guy they want people to think is scary".

[acptulsa]

I'd rather walk in on twenty-seven militia members in a remote, ramshackle roadhouse while all of them are on their thirteenth beer than go hunting even once with Dick Cheney.

[MelissaCato]

I'm glad to see someone mentioned in the flyer responded to this MO MIAC.
I don't see why this isn't top news in the MSM.

[acptulsa]

I'm glad to see someone mentioned in the flyer responded to this MO MIAC.
I don't see why this isn't top news in the MSM.

They're too busy chiding us for not buying newspapers any more. Of course, if there was any news in even one of those troubled papers, they could sell it coast to coast.

[LittleLightShining]

Thanks Chuck. I'm proud to have had the honor in casting my ballot for you in Presidential Election 2008.

Amen, brother.


The C4L has a major event in St. Louis MO in just 2 weeks. I would say that makes this a much bigger deal for them to address then any others currently.THIS.




Why do you think it is the wise political move for CfL to be leading the charge in this?I think it would be wise for C4L to be working closely with LRP on this. When I called yesterday I got the impression they had no idea what LRP was :confused: -- Well, at least the gal on the phone...

[Bryon Huber]

I wouldn't say that surprises me. We are trying to work with some people with C4L locally, but it seems that we are charting a different course, which is fine. We want to make sure that we are doing what we think is right, and C4L is doing what they think is right and I feel confident that we will meet in the middle somehow.

[ronpaulhawaii]

...
I think it would be wise for C4L to be working closely with LRP on this. When I called yesterday I got the impression they had no idea what LRP was :confused: -- Well, at least the gal on the phone...

I am chatting with a CfL staff member right now. The girl you talked to was on the c-call and knows full well who LRP is. It seems that they have been getting a ton of calls; rude calls, "extremely rude" is the phrase she used.

:mad::mad::mad:

Sadly, I don't doubt that is the case and wonder how many of those callers understand the old adage of attracting bees with vinegar...

:(

Perhaps, that is what makes them hesitant to work with LRP...

Bottom line is that CfL is working on their response. Now how-about we just concentrate on ours?

[OferNave]

Digg link:
http://digg.com/politics/MISSOURI_STATE_POLICE_THINK_YOU_AND_I_ARE_TERRORIS TS

[LittleLightShining]

I am chatting with a CfL staff member right now. The girl you talked to was on the c-call and knows full well who LRP is. It seems that they have been getting a ton of calls; rude calls, "extremely rude" is the phrase she used.

:mad::mad::mad:

Sadly, I don't doubt that is the case and wonder how many of those callers understand the old adage of attracting bees with vinegar...

:(

Perhaps, that is what makes them hesitant to work with LRP...

Bottom line is that CfL is working on their response. Now how-about we just concentrate on ours?Hmmm... I hope she didn't think I was rude. I was emphatic but I wouldn't say I was rude. I wasn't badgering her about why they haven't done anything yet.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Hmmm... I hope she didn't think I was rude. I was emphatic but I wouldn't say I was rude. I wasn't badgering her about why they haven't done anything yet.

I doubt you were, but am sure that after enough rudeness, all calls begin to sound as such...

[pcosmar]

I doubt you were, but am sure that after enough rudeness, all calls begin to sound as such...

Well I would think most from this site would be polite. There is no way that any here could stop other folks from calling.
I wonder if just plain Righteous Anger is being interpreted as rudeness.

I am not even in Missouri and I am seriously pissed off by this. :mad:

[ronpaulhawaii]

Well I would think most from this site would be polite. There is no way that any here could stop other folks from calling.
I wonder if just plain Righteous Anger is being interpreted as rudeness.

I am not even in Missouri and I am seriously pissed off by this. :mad:

Understood and agreed...

#44 (http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/resources/?pageid=speeches&s=11) - "Moral outrage is the most powerful motivating force in politics"

rph - continues walking the tightrope :eek::o

[fedup100]

The C4L has a major event in St. Louis MO in just 2 weeks. I would say that makes this a much bigger deal for them to address then any others currently.

THIS!

This was released now because it will be used against those who plan to attend the C4L event. This is just shameless that Paul has refused to respond to this.

This will cause many to not attend (TPTB are hoping ) and the rest are left at the mercy of the thugs in Mo Police.

Another perplexing disappointment for me from Paul. :(

[specsaregood]

This will cause many to not attend (TPTB are hoping ) and the rest are left at the mercy of the thugs in Mo Police.

Do you have evidence of people not attending the conference because of this report?

I can't think of any real supporters (esp. not people that would attend a CFL regional conference) just because they discovered the government officials don't care for our attitude about their jobs being a parasite on the backs of the American people.....In fact, I would think this would spur more people to attend, cfl response or not.

[ronpaulhawaii]

THIS!

This was released now because it will be used against those who plan to attend the C4L event. ...

[emp. added]

You got any proof of that? Prophesying is dangerous business...

[Original_Intent]

THIS!

This was released now because it will be used against those who plan to attend the C4L event. This is just shameless that Paul has refused to respond to this.

This will cause many to not attend (TPTB are hoping ) and the rest are left at the mercy of the thugs in Mo Police.

Another perplexing disappointment for me from Paul. :(

I doubt this. You are implying the memo wa "leaked" intentionally to cause people to not attend the C4L event. That's quite a stretch.

As far as Paul responding - I thought Chuck Baldwin's response was awesome. I am sure Ron Paul has his reasons for not releasing a statement of his own.

[ronpaulhawaii]

do you have evidence of people not attending the conference because of this report?

I can't think of any real supporters (esp. Not people that would attend a cfl regional conference) just because they discovered the government officials don't care for our attitude about their jobs being a parasite on the backs of the american people.....in fact, i would think this would spur more people to attend, cfl response or not.

this!!!^^^

[LittleLightShining]

I doubt this. You are implying the memo wa "leaked" intentionally to cause people to not attend the C4L event. That's quite a stretch.

As far as Paul responding - I thought Chuck Baldwin's response was awesome. I am sure Ron Paul has his reasons for not releasing a statement of his own.fedup is not the only person I've heard say this and considering who I'm hearing it from I don't think it's a stretch at all.

C4L and Ron Paul will come out with a response. And it will be good, I'm certain of it.

[fedup100]

Do you have evidence of people not attending the conference because of this report?

I can't think of any real supporters (esp. not people that would attend a CFL regional conference) just because they discovered the government officials don't care for our attitude about their jobs being a parasite on the backs of the American people.....In fact, I would think this would spur more people to attend, cfl response or not.

No, of course not. Do you really think that people are not swayed by fear of this thing, if that is true, it would not have received over 25k hits on the thread?

While they would not admit it, I bet there are many who will not attend now?

If you were right, it would have never been printed or released. These fear mongers know what they are doing and destroying the RP movement is their top priority.

[constituent]

No, of course not. Do you really think that people are not swayed by fear of this thing, if that is true, it would not have received over 25k hits on the thread?

While they would not admit it, I bet there are many who will not attend now?

I think the opposite is true, but from another perspective than that of your detractors.

In that sense, I agree to/and disagree.

[specsaregood]

No, of course not. Do you really think that people are not swayed by fear of this thing, if that is true, it would not have received over 25k hits on the thread?

While they would not admit it, I bet there are many who will not attend now?


I would bet just as many that were considering NOT going before, feel the need to go now. Nothing is a better stimulus as tyranny standing right in front of you.

I would argue the 25k hits is evidence of THIS, not of evidence of people running away.

No way to really prove either side of theargument, though...I guess what needs to be done is to make sure that the people that are considering not going because of it, are encouraged to attend BECAUSE of it. In fact, if the CFL does issue a response, it should be along these lines.

[Truth Warrior]

"They came first for the communists, and I did not speak up - because I was not a communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak up - because I was not a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up because I was not a Jew;
And then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak up."




Question: Who is "they"?

Answer: the STATE of course, Silly, vote on. :p

[ronpaulhawaii]

fedup is not the only person I've heard say this and considering who I'm hearing it from I don't think it's a stretch at all.

C4L and Ron Paul will come out with a response. And it will be good, I'm certain of it.

I don't doubt that this kind of talk is circulating. Most of it an innocent and valid reaction to seeing a presumed fear validated. However, IMHO, it is just the kind of talk that an enemy would want to promote. The kind they can quote to show people over-reacting. Perhaps it is our job to try to help the fearful transform their raw emotion into righteous anger; moral indignation.

Calm and rational; wisdom rules the day...

[speciallyblend]

fedup is not the only person I've heard say this and considering who I'm hearing it from I don't think it's a stretch at all.

C4L and Ron Paul will come out with a response. And it will be good, I'm certain of it.

considering we all know how the document got out. yes everything those folks are saying about the cfl event and trying to relate it to the document is a FAR FAR STRETCH, unless you have any proof the document was released for this event. i have seen none myself and i haven't heard the spokesperson in Missouri. Who i have chatted with about this, say one word about this relation!!

[LibertyEagle]

Question: Who is "they"?

Answer: the STATE of course, Silly, vote on. :p

“I have many friends in the libertarian movement who look down on those of us who get involved in political activity,” he acknowledged, but “eventually, if you want to bring about changes … what you have to do is participate in political action.” -- Ron Paul

[LittleLightShining]

considering we all know how the document got out. yes everything those folks are saying about the cfl event and trying to relate it to the document is a FAR FAR STRETCH, unless you have any proof the document was released for this event. i have seen none myself and i haven't heard the spokesperson in Missouri. Who i have chatted with about this, sy one word about this relation!!The point is not that the document was released in preparation for the C4L event. The point is that the Liberty movement in MO is effective. That's my opinion.

If the document was released on purpose it would have been to gauge the reaction.

[Truth Warrior]

“I have many friends in the libertarian movement who look down on those of us who get involved in political activity,” he acknowledged, but “eventually, if you want to bring about changes … what you have to do is participate in political action.” -- Ron Paul Aren't the Missouri cops already looking for your "terrorist" criminal conspiracy cabal "movement" members?


You may just want to consider "sitting on your ass". Oops, I'll bet you already STILL are. ;)

< LMAO! >

[fedup100]

[emp. added]

You got any proof of that? Prophesying is dangerous business...

It's called "common sense", not having any is a far more dangerous business.

[pcosmar]

The point is not that the document was released in preparation for the C4L event. The point is that the Liberty movement in MO is effective. That's my opinion.

If the document was released on purpose it would have been to gauge the reaction.


I personally don't think it was released on purpose, But, I still think the reaction should be noticeable.

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/03/13/1205382628_6788/499w.jpg

[ronpaulhawaii]

...

If the document was released on purpose it would have been to gauge the reaction.


this^^^

Hence my desire to see [as many as possible] react wisely :)

[TruckinMike]

Chuck Baldwin: Missouri State Police Think You and I Are Terrorists

...That a State police agency in America would actually infer that people who supported Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or myself in a political campaign are somehow indistinguishable from violence-prone "militias" is beyond insulting: it is a smear campaign...

I just wish that the folks on our side would stop maligning the word Militia! "...somehow indistinguishable from violence-prone "militias"..." What violence? Where? When was the last time that your local militia attacked someone or some politician or some Government agency?


"What, Sir, is the use of a militia?
It is to prevent the establishment
of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ...
Whenever Governments mean to invade
the rights and liberties of the people,
they always attempt to destroy the militia,
in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
Quote by Elbridge Gerry

(1744-1814) of Massachusetts, Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Member of the Constitutional Convention - spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

To bad Ol' Elbridge isn't around to set these PC sissies straight.

TMike

PS- Ok Mr. Baldwin...maybe I am being a little harsh on you. At least you did speak out to some degree. Thanks.

[Truth Warrior]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/militia (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/militia)

[Dripping Rain]

good article
I emailed Chuck and told him that he forgot another group of people
on page 3 of the manual birthers are also mentioned. anyone who doubts Obama's birth place or NBC status is a possible domestic terrorist

[speciallyblend]

The point is not that the document was released in preparation for the C4L event. The point is that the Liberty movement in MO is effective. That's my opinion.

If the document was released on purpose it would have been to gauge the reaction.


i understand what your saying, i do. let the folks responding to this do their work. That is why i donated 50 bucks. If the state wants to keep fighting this, then we prepare and overwhelm them with citizens:)

the document was leaked at the right time ,when the most liberty lovers will be in mo to help counter this BS!!!

look forward in helping anyway i can for sure:)

[speciallyblend]

I just wish that the folks on our side would stop maligning the word Militia! "...somehow indistinguishable from violence-prone "militias"..." What violence? Where? When was the last time that your local militia attacked someone or some politician or some Government agency?


"What, Sir, is the use of a militia?
It is to prevent the establishment
of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ...
Whenever Governments mean to invade
the rights and liberties of the people,
they always attempt to destroy the militia,
in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
Quote by Elbridge Gerry

(1744-1814) of Massachusetts, Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Member of the Constitutional Convention - spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

To bad Ol' Elbridge isn't around to set these PC sissies straight.

TMike

PS- Ok Mr. Baldwin...maybe I am being a little harsh on you. At least you did speak out to some degree. Thanks.


exactly

[tonesforjonesbones]

There IS a call to action...I got this from Franchi today..I made my calls..tones

CALL FOR ACTION! In case you haven't been told yet, our movement is currently under fire and in question. A document released on 2/20/09 to the Missouri Highway Patrol has directed the officers focus to recognize certain icons as potential "Paramilitary" or unconstitutional "Militia". Unfortunately, most of the imagery or icons used are related to our freedom movement, including Dr. Ron Paul, the movie "America: Freedom to Fascism", and upside down flags are all bundled into a category of potential "Paramilitary" .

We are alarmed by this document for many reasons, but the most immediate is due to the Campaign For Liberty Regional Conference being held in St. Louis at the end of March, 2009. We feel that we WILL be PROFILED by Missouri police officers, when in reality we do not pose threats.

We are asking for your help, and this is only stage ONE of this project. Please call the St. Louis Chamber of Commerce and the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission. Let them know because of this Document, you are concerned about traveling to Missouri. Tell them you don't want to be a target of profiling, and because of this document you CANNOT support a states economy that DOES NOT support or 1st Amendment rights without being labeled as potential threats.

Action NEEDED:
1. Call the St. Louis Chamber of Commerce and tell them that you are withdrawing your reservations to Ron Paul's Regional Conference and moving to the IL side out of concern of being PROFILED. (314) 231-5555

2. Call the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission and tell them you won't visit Missouri because of "political profiling". (800) 325-7962

3. Call the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) and tell them their generalized information is hurting the image of PEACEFUL FREEDOM LOVERS, and ask them how you can help make this document BETTER! (866) 362-6422 and (573)-526-6115
4. If you are not attending the Campaign for Liberty Regional Conference, call the St. Louis Chamber of Commerce (314-231-5555) and the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission (800-325-7962) and tell them you will not be visiting or spending your money in Missouri because of "political profiling" by the MIAC. Thanks to Bryon Huber and Catherine Bleish from the Liberty Restoration Project for their diligent efforts to draft the action plan in response to this latest threat to liberty. The actions of the MIAC will not go unnoticed by the American people. We need your overwhelming support in this action. Please forward, post, blog, comment, tweet, and spread this message to every freedom related social network and forum you can find. Forever in Freedom,


Gary Franchi
RTR National Director
P.S. Comment and discuss this emergency action here: http://www.restoret herepublic. com/top-stories/ emergency- action-needed- against-miac- document

[sparebulb]

I just got off the phone with Donna? from the St. Louis Visitors and Convention people at the 800 number. She was very nice and said that she's recording the number of calls that she is receiving and is going to forward it to the city and the State division of tourism. She also says that it is wrong and that she shares some of our views! Please call!

[sparebulb]

I just got off the phone with the State Division of Tourism at 573 751-4133 and talked to a nice older woman. She told me that she's been taking calls all day and that she agrees that this is wrong. Evidently, the top brass is ducking this one and she said that they won't be back until next Mon. Please call!

[pinkmandy]

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