When will most of the world be "free"?

[Mahkato]

How long do you think it will take for liberty to 'take over the world'? At what point will governments start shrinking instead of growing, and localizing instead of centralizing? When will central banking institutions (Fed, IMF, etc) finally collapse under their own weight?

In light of current events, it's easy to pessimistic, but I don't think a centrally planned Earth can last for long.

http://www.argmax.com/mt_blog/archive/pinky_brain.JPG

[Kludge]

Hopefully never.

[FrankRep]

Why do tyrants exist? The world chose to be ruled by earthly kings.

[Truth Warrior]

"Perhaps" if and when our species escapes from barbarism and savagery. < sigh > ;)

[tremendoustie]

How long do you think it will take for liberty to 'take over the world'? At what point will governments start shrinking instead of growing, and localizing instead of centralizing? When will central banking institutions (Fed, IMF, etc) finally collapse under their own weight?

In light of current events, it's easy to pessimistic, but I don't think a centrally planned Earth can last for long.



Most of the earth? A very long time.

At least one truly free country (hopefully the US)? I'm optimistic it won't be so long -- maybe in the next 100 years. The next 50 if we're lucky.

A mostly free country? Next 20 years I hope. I think the US was mostly free at one time.

[Imperial]

It will never be free. In theory it could if we were immortal, but people have to relearn each generation's mistakes. That is why Ibn Khaldun?'s theories of how dynasties rise and fall still arise are still so applicable today.

[trey4sports]

ive thought about this question quite a bit myself, pondering the future of humanity up too a 100,000 years from now. its quite mind-blowing to think of such questions....
my belief...
humanity will push for more government and force for adleast another 100-200 years culminating in global government and eventually we will move to anarcho capitalism when government control is finally defeated

on a side note, does anyone every pander what foreign civilizations use for a gov't? do ET's have a form of gov't? anarchy?

[Truth Warrior]

The Cosmic Calendar is a scale in which the lifetime of the universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe) is mapped onto a calendrical year; that is to say, the Big Bang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang) took place on a cosmic January 1 at precisely midnight, and today's date and time is December 31 at midnight.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar#cite_note-astrosocietyorg-0) On this calendar, the solar system did not appear until September 9, life on Earth arose on September 30, the first dinosaurs appeared on December 25th, the first flowers on December 28th and the first primates on December 30. The first humans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans) did not arrive until around 10:30 p.m. on New Year's Eve, and all of human history has been recorded in the last 10 seconds. The Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages) to the present is a little more than one second. On this timescale, an average human life is about 0.15 seconds. The scale was popularized by Carl Sagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan) in his book The Dragons of Eden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dragons_of_Eden) and on the television series Cosmos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos), which he hosted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar)

[amy31416]

Every person is free the day they decide to be so. There is no jail cell that can contain a truly free person.

The problem is that there are so few who are willing to be free.

[Kludge]

Every person is free the day they decide to be so. There is no jail cell that can contain a truly free person.

The problem is that there are so few who are willing to be free.

Death is it's own prison cell -- well, unless you believe in immortality.

[Liberty Star]

Iraq liberation is almost complete, 150 more countries to go. Hold on to your seat belts and wallets, this is going to be a long ride to global freedomville.

[idiom]

Well Oil will be free by Christmas apparently...

The the world will be free and we can all own whatever we want without doing any work.

[sdczen]

When all government disappears and Anarcho-Capitalism sets in. ;)

[FrankRep]

When all government disappears and Anarcho-Capitalism sets in. ;)
Will man's lust for power ever fade away?

[sdczen]

Will man's lust for power ever fade away?

Sure, a man's lust for power will fade away. Just as soon as all the blind sheep wake up and become individuals and stop joining democratic mobs. :)

[heavenlyboy34]

Sure, a man's lust for power will fade away. Just as soon as all the blind sheep wake up and become individuals and stop joining democratic mobs. :)

Pretty good answer, IMHO. :)

[FrankRep]

Sure, a man's lust for power will fade away. Just as soon as all the blind sheep wake up and become individuals and stop joining democratic mobs. :)
This is truly the key isn't it.

[Xenophage]

Impossible to predict. Current trends, combined with a brief overview of human history, does not give me any reason to believe a majority of the planet will ever be free.

However, I think societies of free people are inevitable. Time-frame? Who knows? There are always possibilities. As far as I can tell, the odds are so stacked against us on planet Earth that our best shot is to get off this rock and move elsewhere in the galaxy. It saddens me that I won't see this in my lifetime.

[Natalie]

I voted for never :( Honestly, I think we're all screwed and it's only going to get worse.

[zach]

God, this poll is depressing.

Apparently, we're going to sit and wait to die.

I chose the 2nd option only because I'm not going to wait much longer in being controlled.

[Mahkato]

God, this poll is depressing.

Apparently, we're going to sit and wait to die.

I chose the 2nd option only because I'm not going to wait much longer in being controlled.

No doubt. I wonder how this poll would have looked if the year were somewhere around 1773 right now?

[jmag]

According to Hindu Scripture, the darkest of the 4 ages, the Kali Yuga, started about 5000 years ago and is supposed to last some 430,000 years. This is when mankind is furthest from divine qualities (qualities which would mean harmony and liberty).

Corresponding to the ignorant state of mankind as a whole, the *&% is hardly getting warmed up.

There are other interpretations that say the yuga is much shorter and we are in an ascending cycle. Hopefully the long one aint right.

[sailor]

I dont worry about the world. But where I am we are getting freer and freer. Another 200 years and we`ll be reasonably free.

[Paulitical Correctness]

Assuming you won't see the ideal free societies in your lifetime, does this make you feel pessimistic, or does it make you feel like leaving your mark and doing all that you can in the short period of time you're actually here?

I know I'm not doing all that I can, and the thought of future generations suffering through this bullshit makes me want to fight harder.

[zach]

What's the point of this revolution if we decide that we can't change anything?

An illusion, a joke? A popular dream?

[Elwar]

I see it happening in 100+ years only because there will be a time in the far future when a global catastrophe will leave most people in the world dead.

Those who survive will be free for a brief moment before they die.

One can dream...

[Kludge]

What's the point of this revolution if we decide that we can't change anything?

An illusion, a joke? A popular dream?

If you do not enjoy doing what you are doing, cease doing it. Do not artificially create meaning from nothing, and then pretend that you are headed toward some epic destination. Will your life really be so much better if the world were free, or would it just be more "fair"? Neither anarchy nor minarchy nor our Founders' Republic is perfect. They are just systems which impact your life in a relatively minor way. All you really have is your mind, which you should be stimulating and sustaining.

If you prefer reading a science-fiction book over coordinating a liberty-oriented rally, then do so.

[akihabro]

http://www.argmax.com/mt_blog/archive/pinky_brain.JPG

That was too bad. Pinky and the Brain never succeeded. They were shut down by the system for being too radical. I guess that cartoon showed kids, taking over the world will never succeed.

[Brian4Liberty]

A thread about Borat and then this thread? :rolleyes: :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_bew4kugW8

[idiom]

Anybody here familiar with The Postman?

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/f/fic(post.gif

Turns out, after the revolution the survivalists took over and destroyed civilisation. Oops.

Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl9_GXvNktI)