Neocons attempting to hijack the "libertarian" banner

[He Who Pawns]

First it was that fleabag neocon hack Malkin trying to invoke Rand, and then last night Andrew Breitbart was on Bill Maher's show saying that Republicans need to embrace libertarianism to save the party. He also talked about Rand. That's great with me! But then the douchebag Breitbart went on to talk about how great the Big Government Neocon Interventionist disaster in Iraq was. :rolleyes: He was also pushing the Big Federal Religion agenda. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/icons/icon13.gif I don't care if you want to oppose stem cells by saying it's not a federal issue, but he was trying to push that Big Religion BS line about "Adult stem cells are as good embryonic cells," which is a provable lie.

Any of these d-bags who try to claim to be libertarian, and then espouse the Big Federal Wars and Big Federal Religion need to be called out and publicly taken to the woodshed for giving us a bad name.

[Athan]

Should we make a list of "Neocons hiding under Libertarian Flag" and publicly post it? We have three already.

1. Sean Hannity
2. Malkin
3. Andrew Breitbart

[Sandra]

Beck

[Epic]

Beck though he is a good influence on some people. He is really dumb as shit though - even when he finally gets on the right side of an issue, it's for the wrong reasons (pot legalization).

[Sandra]

It looks as though Ann "gotta sell more books"Coulter is expected to make a faux conversion. Looking as though Viguerie will too. I really think these neocons have to look hip and fake an evolution to remain relevant.

[sparebulb]

In my opinion, expecting Glen Bleckt to be an effective ambassador of libertarian ideology is like inviting Charlie Manson to serve as a deacon in your church.

Watch your back with Bleckt.

[Kludge]

No one of importance to our goals knows who the hell Malkin or Breitbart is.

Seriously, you think people care about what seventy-year-old men in Washington, D.C. are rambling on about?

No wonder no one cares for libertarianism. We get so uptight about our political beliefs, I laugh at us too. Given the videos on Youtube, you'd think we were in some grand crusade of good vs. evil more meaningful than actually living our lives.

[He Who Pawns]

Well, Breitbart came out on Maher's show talking up "libertarianism" and then proceeded to praise the Iraq war and Federal Big Religion, which earned him a steady chorus of boos from the audience. Essentially, he is dragging the "libertarian" name through the mud.

[johnrocks]

I started noticing it shortly after the November ass whuppin the neo/social cons took. They remind me of the Chameleon lizard family, able to change colors at a moments notice AND have their sheeple fall for it.

[LibertyEagle]

First it was that fleabag neocon hack Malkin trying to invoke Rand, and then last night Andrew Breitbart was on Bill Maher's show saying that Republicans need to embrace libertarianism to save the party. He also talked about Rand. That's great with me! But then the douchebag Breitbart went on to talk about how great the Big Government Neocon Interventionist disaster in Iraq was. :rolleyes: He was also pushing the Big Federal Religion agenda. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/icons/icon13.gif I don't care if you want to oppose stem cells by saying it's not a federal issue, but he was trying to push that Big Religion BS line about "Adult stem cells are as good embryonic cells," which is a provable lie.

Any of these d-bags who try to claim to be libertarian, and then espouse the Big Federal Wars and Big Federal Religion need to be called out and publicly taken to the woodshed for giving us a bad name.

It seems to me that anyone who advocates that the federal government fund ANY kind of stem cell research, cannot justifiably call themselves a libertarian and if they do, they are the ones dragging the libertarian label through the mud. Just as much as someone embracing the Iraq war.

[He Who Pawns]

It seems to me that anyone who advocates that the federal government fund ANY kind of stem cell research, cannot justifiably call themselves a libertarian and if they do, they are the ones dragging the libertarian label through the mud. Just as much as someone embracing the Iraq war.

Well there are mainstream libertarians who might accept federal disease and pandemic prevention.

[Conza88]

The Kochtopu beast is the exact same.

The Kochtopus vs. Murray N. Rothbard (http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon37.html)


No one of importance to our goals knows who the hell Malkin or Breitbart is.

Seriously, you think people care about what seventy-year-old men in Washington, D.C. are rambling on about?

No wonder no one cares for libertarianism. We get so uptight about our political beliefs, I laugh at us too. Given the videos on Youtube, you'd think we were in some grand crusade of good vs. evil more meaningful than actually living our lives.


http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nihilism.png

[Kludge]

libertarian factionalism really makes for an uninteresting read. :p

[Nate K]

who the f#ck cares if this guy isn't 100% libertarian, didn't he say "embrace libertarianism" and did not say "I am a libertarian". Meaning, he's trying to build bridges between us and all of you are working hard to burn them down.

Some of you are getting ridiculous, truly acting like a cult. If we want change, we need to work with people, introduce our ideas in as peaceful a manner as possible and stop making enemies out of anyone who doesn't think in the exact same way you do. Be tolerant. Most of you, like myself, were neocons at one point too.

What intrigued me most about this cause was the peaceful attitude a friend of mine maintained on the subject. Why don't we go back to that, stick to what works and stop with this desperation like Hitler in his last days.

Be reasonable people, cults are cults for a reason.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

who the f#ck cares if this guy isn't 100% libertarian, didn't he say "embrace libertarianism" and did not say "I am a libertarian". Meaning, he's trying to build bridges between us and all of you are working hard to burn them down.

Some of you are getting ridiculous, truly acting like a cult. If we want change, we need to work with people, introduce our ideas in as peaceful a manner as possible and stop making enemies out of anyone who doesn't think in the exact same way you do. Be tolerant. Most of you, like myself, were neocons at one point too.

What intrigued me most about this cause was the peaceful attitude a friend of mine maintained on the subject. Why don't we go back to that, stick to what works and stop with this desperation like Hitler in his last days.

Be reasonable people, cults are cults for a reason.

Exactly! The neocons did not let us into their tent and look at what happened to them. While it is fine to be cautious over some of these people who seem to want to embrace us now, we should remain optimistic or at least understand that we are never going to grow if we do not give people a chance. Not everyone is going to embrace total liberty all at once when they have been indoctrinated for years by the neocon and/or liberal elite propaganda. Sure, these people may be hacks who are grasping onto us as a means of political survival or even as a means of dragging us through the mud but this liberty stuff we ramble on about so much here also includes the philosophy that a man is innocent until proven guilty. We are never going to grow or thrive as a movement is we automatically shut everyone out who has ever publically disagreed with us.

[He Who Pawns]

It's not a matter of shutting people out. It's about making sure these shameless neocons who have done such tremendous damage to our nation don't damage and dishonor our liberty movement. After all, it is the greatest threat to their neocon movement, which is why people like Malkin and Kristol have gone out of their way to smear, mock and degrade Dr Paul.

If these disgraced neocons are honest and sincere about changing their ways, they should be welcomed. But I have serious doubts about some of them.

[LibertyEagle]

It's not a matter of shutting people out. It's about making sure these shameless neocons who have done such tremendous damage to our nation don't damage and dishonor our liberty movement. After all, it is the greatest threat to their neocon movement, which is why people like Malkin and Kristol have gone out of their way to smear, mock and degrade Dr Paul.

If these disgraced neocons are honest and sincere about changing their ways, they should be welcomed. But I have serious doubts about some of them.

Right now, we're no threat at all; we spend so much time in-fighting and complaining about the evil neocons that we hardly ever get around to actually doing something to supplant the neocons. We could, but we don't. I guess it's more fun to sit around complaining and arguing about purity.

[He Who Pawns]

Right now, we're no threat at all; we spend so much time in-fighting and complaining about the evil neocons that we hardly ever get around to actually doing something to supplant the neocons. We could, but we don't. I guess it's more fun to sit around complaining and arguing about purity.

Obviously we are a threat. The libertarian cause is about to enjoy a massive influx of Americans over the next couple of years. Watch and see.

And this is not about purity. I am not "pure" in my libertarianism at all. This about about making sure our movement is not hijacked or damaged by the very people who helped wreck the GOP and nearly destroyed our nation.

I don't trust these motherfuckers.

[Smoke the Liberty Tree]

Well there are mainstream libertarians who might accept federal disease and pandemic prevention.

I agree, i think stem cell research in one of the very few areas that i am okay with federal funds going to. As long as it's humane and done in scientific manner with no cloning, etc. There is a lot to be found from stem cell research and a scattered amount of research from only a select group of states won't produce the results as quickly or efficiently as one entity funded by the federal government.

[Conza88]

Obviously we are a threat. The libertarian cause is about to enjoy a massive influx of Americans over the next couple of years. Watch and see.

And this is not about purity. I am not "pure" in my libertarianism at all. This about about making sure our movement is not hijacked or damaged by the very people who helped wreck the GOP and nearly destroyed our nation.

I don't trust these motherfuckers.

QFFT.

You're on the right path. Don't let the Cypher's (http://www.freewebs.com/myscifi7/Cypher.jpg) of this world try and fool you.

[LibertyEagle]

I agree, i think stem cell research in one of the very few areas that i am okay with federal funds going to. As long as it's humane and done in scientific manner with no cloning, etc. There is a lot to be found from stem cell research and a scattered amount of research from only a select group of states won't produce the results as quickly or efficiently as one entity funded by the federal government.

So, it's ok to make this one exception and use big government force to further, because it's something you like? It seems to me that this is the same thing that those we rail against, did. How's this any different?

[constituent]

us... us... we... we

i'm sorry, but wtf are you talking about?

[constituent]

we're no threat at all; we spend... we hardly ever. We could, but we don't.

Kindly speak for yourself.

[constituent]

So, it's ok to make this one exception and use big government force to further, because it's something you like?

Sounds like yourself and others with "national defense."

[LibertyEagle]

Sounds like yourself and others with "national defense."

National defense is one of the few things that our government is constitutionally supposed to be involved with. Yes.

Those wanting to overthrow the FORM of government outlined by our Founders, such as Communists or Anarchists, are the only ones who usually have a problem with that. Which are you?

[constituent]

Those wanting to overthrow the FORM of government outlined by our Founders, such as Communists or Anarchists, are the only ones who usually have a problem with that. Which are you?

Do you need an answer? Are you that obtuse?

[LibertyEagle]

Do you need an answer? Are you that obtuse?

You started it.

[constituent]

You started it.


(nee neer nee neer boo-boo? how old are you again?)


So, in answer to my question...

Yes, you are that obtuse!

[LibertyEagle]

Constituent,

Old enough not to say "nee neer nee neer boo-boo". ;)

You are the one who has recently stated you no longer support Ron Paul, so no, I don't think it was that far out a statement or question.

If you're going to start throwing personal barbs, don't be surprised when someone fires back at you.

[ClayTrainor]

(nee neer nee neer boo-boo? how old are you again?)


So, in answer to my question...

Yes, you are that obtuse!

You're a little fighter, aren't ya ;)

[constituent]

If you're going to start throwing personal barbs, don't be surprised when someone fires back at you.

Your "are you a commie" bit, was hardly a volley. Flatter yourself as you may.

[constituent]

You're a little fighter, aren't ya ;)

Gets the brain juice going before i get to work.

Life can't be all charts and graphs.

FWIW, most folks here can hold their own, libertyeagle excluded of course. ;)

[Up The Deise]

:p:DRon Paul! :p :D

[LibertyEagle]

FWIW, most folks here can hold their own, libertyeagle excluded of course. ;)

lol.

Apparently even I managed to ask a question that you are having an extremely hard time answering. :p

[constituent]

lol.

Apparently even I managed to ask a question that you are having an extremely hard time answering. :p

http://chismetime.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/energizerbunny.jpg

[LibertyEagle]

Your "are you a commie" bit, was hardly a volley. Flatter yourself as you may.

Actually, I didn't think you were a Commie. Nor, was that the only option.

[constituent]

:p:DRon Paul! :p :D


Fuzzy wuzzy was a woman.



^lol, i like.

[constituent]

Actually, I didn't think you were a Commie. Nor, was that the only option.

you do know i'm just elbow jabbin' you 'cuz i like you, right?

(that often gets confused here, as is want to happen in "black and white," so juz wanna make sure...)

now...

don't make me ask what you meant by "anarchist" ;)

[ClayTrainor]

I have no idea what you guys are even arguing about... I've read 2 pages of pure nonsense...

Apparently there's some sort of unanswered question? haha

:p

[Sandra]

LE is on another attack the forum binge. Right now there's just a few posters online.

[constituent]

Apparently there's some sort of unanswered question? haha
:p

The entire world is unanswered questions.

How much time you got?

[ClayTrainor]

The entire world is unanswered questions.

How much time you got?

5 Minutes...

[constituent]

5 Minutes...

Hell man, we can't even get started in five minutes. What kinda internets you think this is?

[LibertyEagle]

LE is on another attack the forum binge. Right now there's just a few posters online.

As opposed to you, who are busy attacking the new forum members. :rolleyes:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2016272#post2016272

[ClayTrainor]

Hell man, we can't even get started in five minutes. What kinda internets you think this is?

This is the age of information man. The world is at our fingertips :cool:

[PatriotOne]

What we are seeing in the media (and will see a lot more of) is called vectoring. The two party monopoly will be destroyed after Obama gets done. Democrats are going to be just as pissed at what Obama will be doing in their Democratic names as Republicans were with Bush. Democrats are going to be pissed! They (as in the NWO'ers) are planning for this and they will be throwing up some "false" libertarian-like people to vote for in the next election. Be wary because those they promote on TV will be false actors. They have a problem though. Too many people know their game already. It's our responsibilty to expose it so everyone else understands who these people are being backed by.

The O'Reilly's, Becks, Hannity's, etc., we see ARE nothing more than actors. Most of them are with few exceptions.

[constituent]

What we are seeing in the media (and will see a lot more of) is called vectoring...

The O'Reilly's, Becks, Hannity's, etc., we see ARE nothing more than actors. Most of them are with few exceptions.

qft

[constituent]

This is the age of information man. The world is at our fingertips :cool:

All the good databases are "subscription only."

[Thrashertm]

Well there are mainstream libertarians who might accept federal disease and pandemic prevention.

Ideally we would pass a Constitutional amendment to allow it, and make sure that whatever actions taken do not infringe on states or individual rights.

[constituent]

Ideally we would pass a Constitutional amendment to allow it, and make sure that whatever actions taken do not infringe on states or individual rights.

yipes!

[tonesforjonesbones]

The Libertarian Party is NOT the party of Christian haters and atheists...cut the carp...I am a Christian and I am a libertarian...you will probably see more of this coming. I consider the libertarian party might have already been infiltrated and compromised because the Cato Institute clearly did NOT support Ron Paul..so keep an eye on cato. tones

[He Who Pawns]

The Libertarian Party is NOT the party of Christian haters and atheists...cut the carp...I am a Christian and I am a libertarian...you will probably see more of this coming. I consider the libertarian party might have already been infiltrated and compromised because the Cato Institute clearly did NOT support Ron Paul..so keep an eye on cato. tones

A lot of religious people have problems letting people live their own lives. IE, they have difficulty accepting the legalization of drugs, prostitution, etc.

[speciallyblend]

The Libertarian Party is NOT the party of Christian haters and atheists...cut the carp...I am a Christian and I am a libertarian...you will probably see more of this coming. I consider the libertarian party might have already been infiltrated and compromised because the Cato Institute clearly did NOT support Ron Paul..so keep an eye on cato. tones

i agree with what you say. The Lp is not really THE LP anymore. One reason why i have stayed a Republican now.

The LP did a great job of marginalizing their own message that is already marginalized by others. If The LP is trying to shrink they are doing a GREAT JOB AT THAT!!! Bones for the Tones;)

i was LP for 12yrs before i joined the gop!

[tonesforjonesbones]

righton specialty...i would say that legalization of porn, prostitution etc..is NOT a top priority at the moment. If you want damnsterdam, MOVE to damsterdam. TONES!

[He Who Pawns]

righton specialty...i would say that legalization of porn, prostitution etc..is NOT a top priority at the moment. If you want damnsterdam, MOVE to damsterdam. TONES!

In fact, ending the war on drugs IS a very big priority for most libertarians. Let me ask you: as a religious person, do you support legalizing prostitution?

IMO, it's the religious loonies and the warmongers who destroyed the GOP.

[fedup100]

LE is on another attack the forum binge. Right now there's just a few posters online.

That's the kettle calling the pot black. :confused:

[Nate K]

righton specialty...i would say that legalization of porn, prostitution etc..is NOT a top priority at the moment. If you want damnsterdam, MOVE to damsterdam. TONES!

You want government to enforce morals among it's people? Government is inherently immoral, it's a hypocrisy. A society can have values and morals without the government's help ya know. You do have trust in the people right?

[speciallyblend]

righton specialty...i would say that legalization of porn, prostitution etc..is NOT a top priority at the moment. If you want damnsterdam, MOVE to damsterdam. TONES!

i totally agree but marijuana is pretty much legal in colorado already. So we are focusing on more important issues,but we can multi-task here in Colorado, so we focus on making sure medical patients are protected.

so you know you can have 1oz and a bowl in colorado and it is just a ticket. that is cheaper then a speeding ticket!

we have porn legal already to ,we get our victoria secrets catalog on the mail with no cover hehe:) sorry being silly

to be honest United States of America is Colorado now:) is there other states to live in??? who knew???:)

[speciallyblend]

You want government to enforce morals among it's people? Government is inherently immoral, it's a hypocrisy. A society can have values and morals without the government's help ya know. You do have trust in the people right?

nate k move to colorado;) you will love it here,personally we should just take eveything west of denver and create a new territory/country:) , give everything east of denver back to the europeans , teasing and joking maybe?!:)

[speciallyblend]

That's the kettle calling the pot black. :confused:

LE is my fav MOD, back off or this hippie is gonna start throwing some flowers:)

oops i meant for sandra:) not fed up:)