new (I think) third party - American National Party, is similar to the LP

[emazur]

I came across them on digg with someone saying that their website was officially launched:
http://www.americannationalparty.com/?p=130
I had a look at their platform - very similar to the LP from what I could tell, but there are some differences
- they think the government needs to build infastructure
- they think the government needs to expand the space program
- they seem very anti-immigration (illegal or not)
- they are European-American nationalists
- they seem somewhat trade protectionist
- they want to abolish the Fed but I think hand the printing press over to the govt. (their position on gold/silver isn't mentioned)
- they apparently are the US branch of the British National Party, which I know nothing about

They won't drive me away from the Libertarian Party or Ron Paul, but I just thought I'd bring this to everyone's attention. But do at least check out the video on their page "the nation of aztlan" - best video I've seen on the need to be concerned with illegal immigration

[jack555]

I came across them on digg with someone saying that their website was officially launched:
http://www.americannationalparty.com/?p=130
I had a look at their platform - very similar to the LP from what I could tell, but there are some differences
- they think the government needs to build infastructure
- they think the government needs to expand the space program
- they seem very anti-immigration (illegal or not)
- they are European-American nationalists
- they seem somewhat trade protectionist
- they want to abolish the Fed but I think hand the printing press over to the govt. (their position on gold/silver isn't mentioned)
- they apparently are the US branch of the British National Party, which I know nothing about

They won't drive me away from the Libertarian Party or Ron Paul, but I just thought I'd bring this to everyone's attention. But do at least check out the video on their page "the nation of aztlan" - best video I've seen on the need to be concerned with illegal immigration



expand the space program? doesn't seem very libertarian to me.


anti-immigration? doesnt seem explicitly libertarian to me. (stopping welfare to illegals is libertarian but telling individuals they can not cross a line becomes very debatable)

[sailor]

British National Party is basicaly about immigration. Particularly non-white immigration.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

I came across them on digg with someone saying that their website was officially launched:
I had a look at their platform - very similar to the LP from what I could tell, but there are some differences
- they think the government needs to build infastructure
- they think the government needs to expand the space program
- they seem very anti-immigration (illegal or not)
- they are European-American nationalists
- they seem somewhat trade protectionist
- they want to abolish the Fed but I think hand the printing press over to the govt. (their position on gold/silver isn't mentioned)
- they apparently are the US branch of the British National Party, which I know nothing about

National Party? :rolleyes: Sorry, we already have that. Its called the National Socialist Workers Party. A 'Nationalist' is another word for Fascist.

[cindy25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

the British national party is fascist and wants to reintroduce conscription

[emazur]

expand the space program? doesn't seem very libertarian to me.


anti-immigration? doesnt seem explicitly libertarian to me. (stopping welfare to illegals is libertarian but telling individuals they can not cross a line becomes very debatable)

Maybe I should have put somewhat similar in the title, but take a look at their platform and you'll find things to like. I'm not endorsing them or anything, just wanted to inform people here about them

[cindy25]

Finally, while a free market system is great to introduce competition, we must take measures to ensure the livelihood of our people. Until the cost of college ceases to rise in near-exponential fashion, we must limit the demand for college education by restricting non-citizens from being admitted into our schools, public or otherwise.

the above is from their platform on education. sounds fascist to me

[Mini-Me]

Maybe I should have put somewhat similar in the title, but take a look at their platform and you'll find things to like. I'm not endorsing them or anything, just wanted to inform people here about them

Sorry, but I think you're about to be crucified here, and you might want to start hiding. ;) I have to agree with everyone else that it's a pretty fascist-sounding party (not to mention the r-word) in a lot of ways... :eek:

[FrankRep]

Another party?

:facepalm:

[literatim]

National Party? :rolleyes: Sorry, we already have that. Its called the National Socialist Workers Party. A 'Nationalist' is another word for Fascist.

Nationalism and fascism have nothing to do with each other.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

the British national party is fascist and wants to reintroduce conscription

What does the BNP have to do with the ANP other than the names are similar?

[eOs]

Us Ron Paul supporters here on this forum need to create our own party. Everyone here seems to like to jump on the band wagon of something already produced most likely not in our best interests. (Bob Barr, a nationalist party, Glenn Beck, etc.) Why not make this movement about us for once. And not about us latching onto something?

[emazur]

Sorry, but I think you're about to be crucified here, and you might want to start hiding. ;) I have to agree with everyone else that it's a pretty fascist-sounding party (not to mention the r-word) in a lot of ways... :eek:

I see some evidence of that as well but all I'm trying to say is that they have several common points on their platform with libertarians, more-so than the Democrats and Republicans:


"We believe that people have the right to determine who benefits from the fruits of their labor; taking monies from one unwilling person and giving it to another more-than-willing person is immoral and undemocratic. It is, by definition, tyrannical."

"We believe that all peoples have a right to associate freely. Communities should be formed by consensus, not by threat of violence, imprisonment, or death."

"We believe that all people have a right to self-defense, from an attacker, an intruder, a tyrannical government, or otherwise."

"Just as shocking as the use of our public schools as centers for political indoctrination is their incredible inefficiency. In nearly every case, a private school is less expensive than a comparable public school, in respect to location. In many cases, public schools are strikingly more expensive, with many spending five figures per annum on each student, in an effort to boost falling standardized test scores."

"Our ocean should not be filled with sewage and waste. Our rivers should not be contaminated with anything beyond a fishing lure — and that is only while we’ve got a line in. Our drinking water should not contain substances that do us harm. Our children shouldn’t have to breathe poisonous, brown air."

"We are told that the purpose of the Federal Reserve, which was established in 1913, is to provide economic stability and help stave off inflation. However, fractional-reserve banking does the very opposite. It is responsible for the business cycles – the booms and busts – that are so very harmful to our people and their businesses. It is responsible for inflation, which is the decrease in the purchasing power of our dollars, and which is a sort of tax paid, through diluting our currency, to the Banksters who designed our disastrous economic system."

"The American National Party does not believe that the United States of America has a moral obligation to spread American values the world over. In fact, we ought to concern ourselves more with the maintenance of democracy within our own borders — especially as it is under attack — and less with the propagation of it on foreign soil."

"We have neither an obligation nor a responsibility to provide eternally for the undeveloped countries of the world, who, through their own ineptitude, have not raised their standard of living. It is absolutely immoral to take money from our own citizens, many of whom are in need of charity themselves, against their will, to give to other peoples half a world away."

"Maintaining the sanctity of the rule of law requires that the law be observed in every case and that it be applied in a uniform fashion to all. There should not be a certain set of laws for one group of people and another set for a different group of people. We believe that people who commit similar crimes ought to face similar punishment."

I'm staying with RP and the LP, but it's good to be aware of one's options is all I'm saying. In the '08 election there was no one from the LP running for Congress in my area and I reluctantly voted for a Republican, and there was nobody from the LP running for Senate but there was a registered write-in candidate for the Boston Tea Party and after looking at their platform I did vote for him.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Nationalism and fascism have nothing to do with each other.

Wow, you apparently failed history in high school. Not only were Italian Fascists extreme Nationalists, but the German Nazi's were the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Try again.

[sailor]

Wow, you apparently failed history in high school. Not only were Italian Fascists extreme Nationalists, but the German Nazi's were the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Try again.

What is an "extreme Nationalist"?

[literatim]

Wow, you apparently failed history in high school. Not only were Italian Fascists extreme Nationalists, but the German Nazi's were the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Try again.

So? Italy was a fascist state that was nationalist and Germany was a socialist state that was nationalist. That doesn't mean that nationalism is inclined to be either fascist or socialist.

The fundamental doctrine of nationalism is that a people and the nation-state share a common background and thus are unique among all other peoples and nation-states. A lot of various doctrines beyond that can be attached to it.

The American Revolution was a nationalist movement as are many revolutions that want to free a people and/or nation-state from the control of another. A national anthem, a flag, etc are all aspects of nationalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

[Freedom 4 all]

Quite frankly this party sounds worse than the Republicrat party.

[Original_Intent]

Us Ron Paul supporters here on this forum need to create our own party. Everyone here seems to like to jump on the band wagon of something already produced most likely not in our best interests. (Bob Barr, a nationalist party, Glenn Beck, etc.) Why not make this movement about us for once. And not about us latching onto something?

There is a pretty wide range of opinion on what "our party" would look like.

I mean you have Theocrat on the authoritarian end and TruthWarrior and his grasshoppa on the other. That's a pretty wide gap to span. As someone who sat on the national committee during the formation of a political party (USIAP) I can tell you that even among people who at first blush you think are all on the same page - they have been burned by other parties so much that getting just your statement of principles and the beginnings of a platform together is a nightmare. No one wants to compromise at all because in their opinion (correctly) they feel that compromise is what got us in the mess we are in.

Herding cats doesn't even start to describe it.

[Zolah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

the British national party is fascist and wants to reintroduce conscription

When I read the title, I thought "oh dear, this sounds bad" and seems like I was right :p FYI, the BNP, British National Party, is definitely fascist as stated, and most definitely very racist, I know BNP supporters who are unequivocally racist - the party generally dislikes people who aren't white, and have actual majority support in certain districts, mostly in southern England I think, but I think they are banned from getting seats in parliament - either that or they've simply never gotten enough votes to gain a seat, and churches and police forces among other organsations ban their respective employees from being members of the BNP - there was a recent controversy with a leaked members list which included a couple police officers in different cities which caused anger. Recessions are a good time for nationalists to garner support with disaffected youths, I would guess they're trying to capitalise on anti-government sentiments to further a white-supremicist agenda. Trust me, you don't want a BNP carbon-copy, no one does.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

So? Italy was a fascist state that was nationalist and Germany was a socialist state that was nationalist. That doesn't mean that nationalism is inclined to be either fascist or socialist.

Bullshit.


The fundamental doctrine of nationalism is that a people and the nation-state share a common background and thus are unique among all other peoples and nation-states. A lot of various doctrines beyond that can be attached to it.

Yes, which leads to a culture of Imperialism. Welcome to 21st Century America.


The American Revolution was a nationalist movement as are many revolutions that want to free a people and/or nation-state from the control of another. A national anthem, a flag, etc are all aspects of nationalism.

Wow, that is possibly one of the worst twistings of what the American Revolution actually was about. Confederalism and Federalism are completely antithetical to Nationalism.

[He Who Pawns]

Are you sure this isn't the "Pat Buchanan Party"?

BTW, I am a libertarian and enthusiastically support NASA. It's one of the few federal programs I like. In fact, it's probably my favorite. I am a big believer that humanity needs to GTFO this rock before we annihilate ourselves. So to me, it's about species survival.