Lt Holtz from Missouri Police is Now on Radio Tune in

[Dripping Rain]

internet feed
thanks to sluggo
http://www.streamaudio.com/stations/player/pages/newplayer/index_win.asp?Owner=&public=&headertext=The_Eagle_93.9&Station=KSSZ_FM&Mac=No&OptIn=&Streamtype=&filename=

or try this
http://theeagle939.com/

Update: Mike Ferguson now asks Holtz: Who did the research?

Holtz says that it doesnt mean that Ron Paul supporters are terrorists and this document doesnt mean they will focus on those people
its only a training manual
lol
so this is all a misunderstanding and everyone here is over reacting.

Ferguson and the radio host pretty much agree

Ferguson is worried about the document. It will suppress political activism. (WTH :eek: )

Lt Holtz just kept repeating the same talking point over and over and over like a robot
Holtz never answered any question directly
sounded like the PR guy from a late night tv Infomercial
very boring interview

The Callers were awsome
they all hit the right points
theyre good people who are really pissed

The radio host was super weak. Radio host was pretty much sympathizing with that document
he called libertarians anarchists at least 99 times and associated it with Ron Paul
sounds like the MICA PR guy

my opinion
Ferguson was really weak
sadly Ferguson never brought up the fact that the document also attacks anti illegal immigration activists, pro lifers. and many other groups also didnt call it what it is
"Profiling"
he was worried it "would supress political activism" ?
WTF
also im sad Ferguson failed to mention other targetted parties like Chuck Baldwin or the Constitution party(though im not surprised since he was a paid Barr employee)
Hey maybe they do belong on that list. I dont know
its good to mention everyone because it tends to help your cause in these situations
Since cops are all humans Im sure that any uneducated LEO who reads that document would be more likely to be trigger happy when he stops a Ron Paul supporter fearing for his life from this possible "militia" terrorist

This was excellent PR for MICA & the MO HWPD
it wasnt the best PR for RPers

[JoshLowry]

I cant get the stream to load.
Someone write down cliff notes!

[ronpaulhawaii]

Nothing to see here folks, just a training exercise :rolleyes:

[LittleLightShining]

Please, please please let someone have tubed this. Mike was amazing!

[torchbearer]

They are telling LE to watch out for RON PAUL and BOB BARR signs/stickers as a sign of anti-government paramilitary groups.
There is no way around that info.
Yeah- its education...the wrong kind.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Yes, I was hoping to hear the profiling card being played...

[LittleLightShining]

internet feed
thanks to sluggo
http://www.streamaudio.com/stations/player/pages/newplayer/index_win.asp?Owner=&public=&headertext=The_Eagle_93.9&Station=KSSZ_FM&Mac=No&OptIn=&Streamtype=&filename=

or try this
http://theeagle939.com/

Update: Mike Ferguson now asks Holtz: Who did the research?

Holtz says that it doesnt mean that Ron Paul supporters are terrorists and this document doesnt mean they will focus on those people
its only a training manual
lol
so this is all a misunderstanding and everyone here is over reacting.

Ferguson and the radio host pretty much agree

Ferguson is worried about the document.

Lt Holtz just kept repeating the same talking point over and over and over like a robot
very boring interview

my opinion
Ferguson was really weak
sadly Ferguson never brought up the fact that the document also attacks anti illegal immigration activists, pro lifers. and many other groups also didnt call it what it is
"Profiling"Not true. He did say that. I thought he did a great job questioning Hotz. We need a tube!

[UtahApocalypse]

YT please !! That stations player don't work for beans.

[Dripping Rain]

Not true. He did say that. I thought he did a great job questioning Hotz. We need a tube!

i swear he didnt
i listened to the whole thing

After Lt Holtz was gone he said there are other people who are anti IRS but he didnt say that the document "lists" them

[torchbearer]

Yes, I was hoping to hear the profiling card being played...

Caller mentioned it.

[LittleLightShining]

i swear he didnt
i listened to the whole thing

After Lt Holtz was gone he said there are other people who are anti IRS but he didnt say that the document "lists" themHmmm... we'll see. I'll take it back if I'm wrong. I'm good at admitting the error of my ways :D When I'm wrong :p

[Dripping Rain]

Caller mentioned it.

yep the callers did awsome
i should add that

[Dripping Rain]

Hmmm... we'll see. I'll take it back if I'm wrong. I'm good at admitting the error of my ways :D When I'm wrong :p

same here LLS. Id be damned if I was wrong but if I was Ill admit and Ill even say sorry to top you
lol

[ronpaulhawaii]

still on, just took a call. he brought up the profiling card :D. The host seems to be dropping the term "anarchist" a lot... Painting Libertarians/etc (who believe in the non-aggression principle) as the kind of violent extremist that is ignorantly associated with anarchy...

[Dripping Rain]

still on, just took a call. he brought up the profiling card :D. The host seems to be dropping the term "anarchist" a lot... Painting Libertarians/etc (who believe in the non-aggression principle) as the kind of violent extremist that is ignorantly associated with anarchy...

i agree the host seems to be trying to paint Ron Paul supporters in a certain way. i dont know why he would do that

radio host sounds more like the Police PR guy

[JoshLowry]

i agree the host seems to be trying to paint Ron Paul supporters in a certain way. i dont know why he would do that

He is "allowed" to be a radio host, isn't he?

They're all in on it! [/tinfoil hat]

:D

[Dripping Rain]

He is "allowed" to be a radio host, isn't he?

They're all in on it! [/tinfoil hat]

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMO3iLq_kAU

:p

[A. Havnes]

Hope someone youtubes it!

[torchbearer]

Gary Nolan is a true LPer..

[UtahApocalypse]

still on, just took a call. he brought up the profiling card :D. The host seems to be dropping the term "anarchist" a lot... Painting Libertarians/etc (who believe in the non-aggression principle) as the kind of violent extremist that is ignorantly associated with anarchy...

http://catmas.com/images/2007/07/its-a-trap.jpg

This seems to have played right into their hands so far then.

[Dripping Rain]

He is "allowed" to be a radio host, isn't he?

They're all in on it! [/tinfoil hat]

:D

btw hes not being a fair radio host
he already took a side

this ass is still using the term anarchists
wtf?

[LittleLightShining]

still on, just took a call. he brought up the profiling card :D. The host seems to be dropping the term "anarchist" a lot... Painting Libertarians/etc (who believe in the non-aggression principle) as the kind of violent extremist that is ignorantly associated with anarchy...Yep, there he goes again saying anarchists associate "with those kinds of politics."

Nolan believes that if you're investigating a militia group "this" could be a sign for law enforcement. What the hell does that mean?



Holy heck I really am not enjoying listening to Nolan.

[Dripping Rain]

Yep, there he goes again saying anarchists associate "with those kinds of politics."

Nolan believes that if you're investigating a militia group "this" could be a sign for law enforcement. What the hell does that mean?



Holy heck I really am not enjoying listening to Nolan.

except for the callers I feel this was really horrible PR for us. from an average joe point of view I think the radio host is right & Lt Holtz is a hero. I now believe Ron Paul is a fringe person and his supporters are "Anarchists"

[A. Havnes]

I can't listen to it, but from what I'm reading it doesn't sound like it's helping us much.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Gary Nolan is a true LPer..

Then how does he reconcile the non-aggression principle with his continuing use of the word anarchist in a negative light? Does he not know of the anarcho-capitalist wing of the LP?

[LittleLightShining]

This makes me sad. I thought it was good when the officer was on and then it all fell apart.

[Sandra]

:mad::mad:This went where it was supposed to go and it worked like a charm. This wasn't a "leaked" memo. It was sent to AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as AJ's involvement, I don't know. :mad::mad::mad:

[tremendoustie]

still on, just took a call. he brought up the profiling card :D. The host seems to be dropping the term "anarchist" a lot... Painting Libertarians/etc (who believe in the non-aggression principle) as the kind of violent extremist that is ignorantly associated with anarchy...

And here's reason #1 to never call yourself an anarchist, or even, I think, anarcho-capitalist. People have visions of bomb weilding terrorists floating in their heads, even though it's 100% untrue.

Repeat after me: voluntaryist. And, voluntary government, not no government. That conveys the truth: The statists are the ones using violence to accomplish their goals.

[UtahApocalypse]

:mad::mad:This went where it was supposed to go and it worked like a charm. This wasn't a "leaked" memo. It was sent to AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as AJ's involvement, I don't know. :mad::mad::mad:

first thing you have said in two days that i agree with.

[pcosmar]

This is the problem with using a Neo Con radio station. :(

[pcosmar]

:mad::mad:This went where it was supposed to go and it worked like a charm. This wasn't a "leaked" memo. It was sent to AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as AJ's involvement, I don't know. :mad::mad::mad:

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/floppy_fail.jpg

Still.

[Sandra]

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/floppy_fail.jpg

Still.

Huh?

[A. Havnes]

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/floppy_fail.jpg

Still.

That's hilarious! I actually miss those old boot disks, too.

[Dripping Rain]

:mad::mad:This went where it was supposed to go and it worked like a charm. This wasn't a "leaked" memo. It was sent to AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as AJ's involvement, I don't know. :mad::mad::mad:

Aj's involvement?
in what?

[ronpaulhawaii]

:mad::mad:This went where it was supposed to go and it worked like a charm. This wasn't a "leaked" memo. It was sent to AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as AJ's involvement, I don't know. :mad::mad::mad:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/salem21_2006/oh_noes.gif

lulz...

It wasn't bad...

What is good is that it is getting out. This was just the first. Hopefully people will keep their ducks in a row as they work on this...

[torchbearer]

Then how does he reconcile the non-aggression principle with his continuing use of the word anarchist in a negative light? Does he not know of the anarcho-capitalist wing of the LP?

The GOPlite wing of the party can't stand the anarchist wing of the party.
Bandarik beat Nolan, Nolan may have been severely pissed about that.

[LittleLightShining]

The more I think about it the more irritated I am. I thought Mike did a great job (I'm sounding like a broken record) up to the officer leaving. There were bits and pieces here and there that were ok but he really let Nolan keep hammering on the anarchist/militia aspect when what he should have been saying is, "Look, people that support these 3rd parties, candidates and organizations such as the C4L are people who believe in the rule of law. They are disenfranchised with the system which treats the citizens of this country not as participants in the process but rather as people to be ruled over." This is not about anarchy it's about the Constitution.

[JVParkour]

One thing that really interests me in the word "anarchist" and the connotations it carries with it. I know the truth, most are peaceful people who believe that things would simply be better without a government; but find it highly interesting how it seems everyone in the media paints it as the evil ski mask wearing kid throwing a molotov cocktail or some sort of bomb...

Oh..and hello RPHawaii, its Jacob from CPAC!

[ronpaulhawaii]

One thing that really interests me in the word "anarchist" and the connotations it carries with it. I know the truth, most are peaceful people who believe that things would simply be better without a government; but find it highly interesting how it seems everyone in the media paints it as the evil ski mask wearing kid throwing a molotov cocktail or some sort of bomb...

Oh..and hello RPHawaii, its Jacob from CPAC!

Nice to put faces with names.

I think we need to be ready to counter the "anarchy" rhetoric.

And I'll be a bit disappointed if the host was allowing his personal issues color his reporting. With friends like that...

[Cowlesy]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/salem21_2006/oh_noes.gif

lulz...

It wasn't bad...

What is good is that it is getting out. This was just the first. Hopefully people will keep their ducks in a row as they work on this...

awesome.

[A. Havnes]

Youtube bump.