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Pennsylvania
03-13-2009, 10:45 AM
Concerning the extent to which property rights are enforceable:

If person A lives down the street from person C, and wishes to visit person C, but peaceably trespasses upon the property of person B in travelling, is person B entitled to take the life of person A though person A presented no violent threat to person B?

Truth Warrior
03-13-2009, 10:52 AM
Concerning the extent to which property rights are enforceable:

If person A lives down the street from person C, and wishes to visit person C, but peaceably trespasses upon the property of person B in travelling, is person B entitled to take the life of person A though person A presented no violent threat to person B? The Golden Rule and SOME common sense goes a very LOOOOOONG way.<IMHO> ;) :D

noxagol
03-13-2009, 11:02 AM
No, a warning must be given first, and ample time to evacuate as there is still the question of the property owner damaging the property of the tresspasser (in this case, his body) that must be dealt with. However, there exist exemptions, such as if it is obvious that the trespasser intends to invade further and is armed or some such. I also find it unlikely that a property owner would kill someone for merely passing through their yard.

If the property owner were to say "retreat from my yard at once or you will be shot" and the trespasser continues forward, then yes, the property owner has full right to shoot the trespasser dead.

Pennsylvania
03-13-2009, 11:06 AM
If we believe we should have the ability to enforce our own rights, and if we believe that if somebody violates those rights, then we should be able to determine how to enforce those rights by ourselves. However, that most people would not react violently to a brief instance of trespassing does not mean that they are not within their rights to do so, if we accept the idea of enforcing those rights. Else, what is property if not that which you have decision making power over? And if you have full decision making power over your property, are you not entitled to execute it?

pcosmar
03-13-2009, 11:11 AM
'Good fences make good neighbors'

If you seek an excuse to kill over a minor trespass. with not a polite conversation, you have bigger problems than property rights.

noxagol
03-13-2009, 11:11 AM
If we believe we should have the ability to enforce our own rights, and if we believe that if somebody violates those rights, then we should be able to determine how to enforce those rights by ourselves. However, that most people would not react violently to a brief instance of trespassing does not mean that they are not within their rights to do so, if we accept the idea of enforcing those rights. Else, what is property if not that which you have decision making power over? And if you have full decision making power over your property, are you not entitled to execute it?

Yes, but that swings both ways in the enforcement. The person's body is their property and you do not posses the right to damage it without their consent. The consent comes from the failure the obey your commands on your property. Once this happens, you obtain consent to damage their property and may commence in shooting them.

Pennsylvania
03-13-2009, 11:12 AM
If the property owner were to say "retreat from my yard at once or you will be shot" and the trespasser continues forward, then yes, the property owner has full right to shoot the trespasser dead.

Even if the trespasser never showed any sign of physical aggression?

noxagol
03-13-2009, 11:12 AM
Even if the trespasser never showed any sign of physical aggression?

Yes.

Pennsylvania
08-03-2009, 04:12 PM
Please post points of view by Austrian economists/philosophers in regards to this issue? Twould be Very much appreciated...

slothman
08-03-2009, 04:24 PM
Ahh, "life, liberty, and property."

How come 'property' takes precendence over the 'life' part?

What if a 6 year old does the same thing?
Can you morally shoot them?
Why is there an age value?


In any case, luckely the so-called "castle doctrine" isn't true in all states.
People know that trespassing is different that assault.

Standing Like A Rock
08-03-2009, 04:28 PM
If the property owner were to say "retreat from my yard at once or you will be shot" and the trespasser continues forward, then yes, the property owner has full right to shoot the trespasser dead.

But what if the person is deaf and cannot hear you? Should you fire a warning shot first?

slothman
08-03-2009, 05:59 PM
Another idea; what happens if they are caught ont your property on your camera?
Can you come on their's to kill them there?

wjh2657
08-03-2009, 07:19 PM
If the Native Americans had done this from the beginning, we wouldn't have environmental problems, we wouldn't have race problems, No central economy to worry about and no banks to suck our blood. Somebody should have taught this to those guys at Plymouth Rock and Roanoake! Of course we wouldn't have any of us white folks around here either!

Pennsylvania
08-10-2009, 01:19 PM
bump

Pennsylvania
09-18-2009, 02:31 PM
I'm wondering if the only consistent solution is simply no property outside of one's person.