derdy
09-16-2007, 05:15 AM
My hope for this thread is to establish a rebuttal for everyday arguments/bullshit you get when encountering people face to face or even online.
Today, the first gentleman I encountered I engaged in an almost 20 minute conversation. He was a life-long Democrat and we covered: the War on Drugs, the profit incentives teenagers in highschool are exposed to due to prohibition, the fact I went to a CHRISTIAN ROTC highschool, yet, I could get any drug you can imagine easier than I could aquire alcohol; we covered the IRS and the income tax; monetary policy and economic policy; and, finally, we covered the North American Union. He ALMOST stumped me....
After telling him about the NAU, he said, "What's wrong with the North American Union? It sounds like a good thing to me so long as we take over Canada and Mexico. We're living and competing in a global marketplace, so we need to do these things"
So, the fallicy is: THe North American Union will be a good thing because the US will take over Canada and Mexico and we need cheap labor and cheap goods to compete in the global marketplace."
My on-the-spot Rebuttal was this :
When HASN'T the world had a global marketplace??!! The only difference now is that corporations can reside in one nation-state, while exporting their manufacturing base to a poor nation-state, thus exploiting their standard of living. I then proceeded to tell him that once the commoner in the Asian marketplace has a higher standard of living because we shipped them all of our manufacturing jobs, the Chinese, for example, would now not have to rely on the American consumer to buy their product because they can sell their domestic goods to the newly wealthy domestic consumer. However, once the corporations in that country are not making the margins they once were, you know, like when they were offshoring to poorer countries from America?, they will take the manufacturing base and ship it to Africa. The process repeats at the expense of the middle class and the poor and to the favor of those that are in charge.
So, that was quite lengthy, but if anyone gives you BS about what we need to compete in a global market place and, therefore, we need cheap labor tell them this:
We've had a global marketplace since the inception of our Union and, as a matter of fact, the federal government was delegated the responsibility to engage in treaties with other nations!
Also tell them, that while yes, we may impose our will on Canada and Mexico, it favors the corporations NOT the people of the US! To combine the three countries is a VERY big redistribushing of wealth and our standards of living, while already in decline, will decline even more so!
In Ron We Trust
Today, the first gentleman I encountered I engaged in an almost 20 minute conversation. He was a life-long Democrat and we covered: the War on Drugs, the profit incentives teenagers in highschool are exposed to due to prohibition, the fact I went to a CHRISTIAN ROTC highschool, yet, I could get any drug you can imagine easier than I could aquire alcohol; we covered the IRS and the income tax; monetary policy and economic policy; and, finally, we covered the North American Union. He ALMOST stumped me....
After telling him about the NAU, he said, "What's wrong with the North American Union? It sounds like a good thing to me so long as we take over Canada and Mexico. We're living and competing in a global marketplace, so we need to do these things"
So, the fallicy is: THe North American Union will be a good thing because the US will take over Canada and Mexico and we need cheap labor and cheap goods to compete in the global marketplace."
My on-the-spot Rebuttal was this :
When HASN'T the world had a global marketplace??!! The only difference now is that corporations can reside in one nation-state, while exporting their manufacturing base to a poor nation-state, thus exploiting their standard of living. I then proceeded to tell him that once the commoner in the Asian marketplace has a higher standard of living because we shipped them all of our manufacturing jobs, the Chinese, for example, would now not have to rely on the American consumer to buy their product because they can sell their domestic goods to the newly wealthy domestic consumer. However, once the corporations in that country are not making the margins they once were, you know, like when they were offshoring to poorer countries from America?, they will take the manufacturing base and ship it to Africa. The process repeats at the expense of the middle class and the poor and to the favor of those that are in charge.
So, that was quite lengthy, but if anyone gives you BS about what we need to compete in a global market place and, therefore, we need cheap labor tell them this:
We've had a global marketplace since the inception of our Union and, as a matter of fact, the federal government was delegated the responsibility to engage in treaties with other nations!
Also tell them, that while yes, we may impose our will on Canada and Mexico, it favors the corporations NOT the people of the US! To combine the three countries is a VERY big redistribushing of wealth and our standards of living, while already in decline, will decline even more so!
In Ron We Trust