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RonPaulFanInGA
03-09-2009, 04:26 PM
http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2009/03/09/story12.html


If a bill under review by the Georgia House becomes law, state residents might be paying 2010 taxes in gold.

Now assigned to the House of Representatives’ Banks & Banking committee, HB 430, or the Constitutional Tender Act, would require the use of gold and silver coin for the repayment of debts to the state, notably all state taxes. It would also mandate that any bank conducting business with the state accept gold and silver coins as deposits.

In effect, the bill seeks to revive the gold and silver standards for certain forms of state business, and Georgia would become the only state in the country to do so.

Reps. Bobby Franklin, R-Marietta, and Barry Loudermilk, R-Cassville, are sponsoring the bill.

Kotin
03-09-2009, 04:30 PM
that is badass..


i will be mailing some liberty friendly reps in the Texas house about this.. great idea.

danberkeley
03-09-2009, 05:16 PM
what a croc of shit. will the State of Georgia pay off its debts and refuns in gold? i doubt it.

RonPaulFanInGA
03-09-2009, 05:23 PM
will the State of Georgia pay off its debts and refuns in gold? i doubt it.

No. Some in the Georgia general assembly want to stockpile the good stuff.

specsaregood
03-09-2009, 05:57 PM
what a croc of shit. will the State of Georgia pay off its debts and refuns in gold? i doubt it.

Not only that you would still be subject to capital gains and be taxed on your gold and silver by the Feds.

ItsTime
03-09-2009, 06:31 PM
what a croc of shit. will the State of Georgia pay off its debts and refuns in gold? i doubt it.

Exactly. They are just robbing their citizens of real wealth in the guise of returning to hard money.

ursamajor
03-09-2009, 07:00 PM
this might be the beginning though. the ice cracking... suddenly everyone requires that their debt be paid in gold, or at least gold-backed notes. immediately we have illegitimate "black market" currencies. federal reserve notes collapse.

Stary Hickory
03-09-2009, 08:24 PM
I will move to Georgia and open up a business if this passes.

TruckinMike
03-10-2009, 04:24 AM
I will move to Georgia and open up a business if this passes.
Not Me. I'd rather pay bills with worthless cash and keep my gold. AT least until things bottom out and FED res notes are not accepted anymore.

Georgia is preparing for the inevitable - It is a good idea for any body that is owed money.

TMike

tremendoustie
03-10-2009, 05:37 AM
Well, it's hard to get excited about them changing their method of stealing from people .... but this sure would spike the price of Gold, if it passed.

american.swan
03-10-2009, 05:42 AM
this might be the beginning though. the ice cracking... suddenly everyone requires that their debt be paid in gold, or at least gold-backed notes. immediately we have illegitimate "black market" currencies. federal reserve notes collapse.

Let's assume Georgia passes this law. All kinds of problems will happen as you can imagine like FED taxes, BUT suddenly, all the businesses would HAVE to accept GOLD for payment of items/debt just to pay off the Georgia taxes. So it wouldn't exactly be optional.

True, it's risky. Many might leave the state.

nobody's_hero
03-10-2009, 07:36 AM
Umm.

This wasn't a problem when Indiana, New Hampshire, or Colorado suggested very similar methods of returning to the gold standard.

It is obviously very difficult to get back onto the gold-standard, regardless of the method. But, unless people are going to make voluntary gold donations to the Georgia treasury, the state is going to have to get its gold from somewhere. I like the boldness of HB 430, as it is a strict, constitutional, by-the-book call for a gold standard (it would be perfect if this was 1809 instead of 2009)—but unfortunately, it is rather non-specific on how exactly the transition will take place, today.

For Ron Paul supporters, I can see why we'd be upset, because everyone knows that ultimately, someone is going to get the 'bad end of the stick' and have to exchange something of real value (gold) for something of worthlessness (FRNs). If and when enough people catch on to that fact, it will be practically impossible for the transition to take place.

And, it seems many people were simply going by the title of this thread and saw the word taxes, but the state must also pay out in gold and silver as well:


Pre-1965 silver coins, silver eagles, and gold eagles shall be the exclusive medium which the state shall use to make any payments whatsoever to any person or entity, whether private or governmental.

So, if you are due a refund on your state income taxes, it seems to me like you could request gold as payment, provided that the state has the gold on hand. If you owe taxes, you have to first buy gold with your FRN's and then send that gold to the state.

Still, I'm skeptical of the GA bill because it is rather short and so vague. Unlike New Hampshire's Gold Money Bill—which was crafted with the assistance of Dr. Edwin Vieira, if I recall correctly.

Brooklyn Red Leg
03-10-2009, 07:48 AM
Hmmm....the main thing this pisses me off about is the fact that Georgia, while doing what is Constitutionally-mandated, isn't going to shield citizens from the goddamn rapacity of the Feds. This amounts to double-dipping. If the bill contained a proviso to tell the Feds to piss off on their taxes, I'm ok with it. After all, this directly affects me because I'm moving back to Georgia soon.

RevolutionSD
03-10-2009, 08:03 AM
http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2009/03/09/story12.html

This is just gold confiscation.
If I have a gun pointed at my head I'd rather give up my fiat dollars than my gold.

RevolutionSD
03-10-2009, 08:05 AM
Umm.

This wasn't a problem when Indiana, New Hampshire, or Colorado suggested very similar methods of returning to the gold standard.

It is obviously very difficult to get back onto the gold-standard, regardless of the method. But, unless people are going to make voluntary gold donations to the Georgia treasury, the state is going to have to get its gold from somewhere. I like the boldness of HB 430, as it is a strict, constitutional, by-the-book call for a gold standard (it would be perfect if this was 1809 instead of 2009)—but unfortunately, it is rather non-specific on how exactly the transition will take place, today.

For Ron Paul supporters, I can see why we'd be upset, because everyone knows that ultimately, someone is going to get the 'bad end of the stick' and have to exchange something of real value (gold) for something of worthlessness (FRNs). If and when enough people catch on to that fact, it will be practically impossible for the transition to take place.

And, it seems many people were simply going by the title of this thread and saw the word taxes, but the state must also pay out in gold and silver as well:



So, if you are due a refund on your state income taxes, it seems to me like you could request gold as payment, provided that the state has the gold on hand. If you owe taxes, you have to first buy gold with your FRN's and then send that gold to the state.

Still, I'm skeptical of the GA bill because it is rather short and so vague. Unlike New Hampshire's Gold Money Bill—which was crafted with the assistance of Dr. Edwin Vieira, if I recall correctly.

The solution is to give up on the welfare state, and the idea that we even need a State. We should not be worried about how the government is going to steal money from us or in what form. Government is the problem.

Kraig
03-10-2009, 08:07 AM
I don't see how this could be a good thing, maybe I'm wrong. Who will decide what dollar/gold exchange rate will be used when you pay your taxes in gold? Will it fluctuate with the market or will it be set in stone by law?

Brooklyn Red Leg
03-10-2009, 08:37 AM
Something just occured to me. This bill had better contain a proviso that the State will not stand by idly if the Feds attempt to confiscate either the reserves created by this or the hoards of individual Georgians. I can see that asshole Obama using The Trading with Enemies act to do FDR 2.0 if this becomes a reality. The Georgia State Guard had best be prepared to defend the State's sovereignty.

Elwar
03-10-2009, 09:39 AM
They tried to pass a bill in New Hampshire that just gives you the option to pay your taxes using gold. It didn't pass. I doubt this one would pass.

The idea in New Hampshire was that those who would rather dump the fiat dollar as their currency still have to use cash for any dealings with the government. They wanted to be able to have all of their money transactions be in gold.

nobody's_hero
03-10-2009, 11:01 AM
The solution is to give up on the welfare state, and the idea that we even need a State. We should not be worried about how the government is going to steal money from us or in what form. Government is the problem.

In theory I agree. On the point of welfare states, I agree entirely.

At the moment, though, I believe we do want states—specifically, we could use the states to stand as just one of the barriers against Federal intrusion into our lives. If state legislatures can be pressured to take a stand against the Federal government (1850's style), we'll have some powerful resources (as well as, the law) on our side.

Granted, it doesn't do much good to replace big Federal government with big State government, but at least at the state level, the fires of accountability tend to burn hotter.

Remember:

The object is to bring the states back into compliance with the U.S. Constitution, whether the Federal government wants them to follow the document or not. I believe the Federal government (and likewise, the Federal Reserve) does not want gold or silver used as legal tender in payment of debts, so if bills like Georgia's HB 430 should ever draw criticism and backlash from Washington, D.C., we must be on the right track. So far, Washington has been silent on the issue—probably hoping that these bills go nowhere.

nobody's_hero
03-10-2009, 11:09 AM
Here's the latest update from Bill Greene, a GA member of Campaign for Liberty who has been working closely and diligently with Georgia legislators to find some workable return to a gold-standard. He also maintains www.constitutionaltender.com.


Dear Friends of Constitutional Tender,

HB 430, the "Constitutional Tender Act," was brought up this week in the State House Banks and Banking Committee, and assigned to TWO subcommittees: Financial Institutions & Services, and Regulations & Oversight. This means we are making GREAT progress here in Georgia in advancing this bill!

There are a number of Members of these subcommittees who have a good idea of what this bill is attempting to do, including a few co-sponsors. But in order for the bill to continue to move forward, we need for the next important step to take place:

The members of these subcommittees MUST hear from the people about how IMPORTANT this bill is, and WHY it needs to be voted favorably back up to the Committee!

Both of these subcommittees are going to be holding hearings on HB 430 very soon, and we're going to be bringing in as many of our experts as we can to testify and explain the need and the necessity of passing this bill. We'll be letting you know when those meetings are.

So, fellow Constitutionalists, we need to TAKE ACTION AGAIN! Here's how:

Contact the members of the two subcommittees:
Financial Institutions & Services Subcommittee:
CHAIR - Calvin Hill (R-21) - chill@gilainc.com - 404-656-0129
Stephen Allison (R-8) - stephen.allison@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0177
Clay Cox (R-102) - clay.cox@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0188
Earl Ehrhart (R-36) - earl@ehrhart.4emm.com - 404-656-5141
Virgil Fludd (D-66) - vfludd@mindspring.com - 404-656-0314
Penny Houston (R-170) - penny.houston@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0202
Rahn Mayo (D-91) - rahnmayo@gmail.com - 404-656-6372
Greg Morris (R-155) - greg.morris@house.ga.gov - 404-656-5116
Butch Parrish (R-156) - butch.parrish@house.ga.gov - 404-463-2247
Allen Peake (R-137) - allen@allenpeake.com - 404-656-0188
Bobby Reese (R-98) - bobby.reese@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0254
Jay Shaw - (D-176) - jay.shaw@house.ga.gov - 404-656-7859
Willie Talton (R-145) - willie.talton@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0254

Regulations & Oversight Subcommittee:
CHAIR - Mike Coan (R-101) - repcoan@charter.net - 404-656-6801
Stephanie Stuckey Benfield (D-85) - stuckey@mindspring.com - 404-656-7859
Clay Cox (R-102) - clay.cox@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0188
Dee Dawkins-Haigler (D-93) - dee.dawkins-haigler@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0287
SPONSOR - Bobby Franklin (R-43) - bobby.franklin@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0152
Cecily Hill (R-180) - cecilyhill@tds.net - 404-656-0177
Darryl Jordan (D-77) - darryl.jordan@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0116
David Knight (R-126) - david.knight@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0152
Pete Marin (D-96) - marinstatehouse@aol.com - 404-656-0314
Randy Nix (R-69) - randy.nix@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0177
Butch Parrish (R-156) - butch.parrish@house.ga.gov - 404-463-2247
Martin Scott (R-2) - martin.scott@house.ga.gov - 404-656-0254
Jay Shaw (D-176) - jay.shaw@house.ga.gov - 404-656-7859
Tom Weldon (R-3) - tweldon@weldonlawfirm.com - 404-656-0152

(Please email info@constitutionaltender.com if any of these contacts don't work)


Explain to each Member why this bill is so important: because Georgia, like every other state, is in violation of the U.S. Constitution without such a bill (because the State is making some other "Thing" a Tender in Payment of Debts, both to and by the State). Remind each one that State legislators are all required to swear an oath to uphold that Constitution, so ethically and morally they need to do whatever the Constitution requires.

Inform each Member that this type of bill is also needed because, due to the ever-widening circle of economic disaster that is affecting the citizens of every State, we MUST do something to at least begin the process of restoring sound money and a sound economy, whether or not the Federal government or any other State government does so. This would immediately begin the flow of real wealth toward the state's treasury. This would stabilize the state's economy, protect the pensions of state employees, etc. -- and offer many other immediately recognizable benefits.

Ask each Member to listen with open minds to the testimony from experts on what exactly it would mean to carry out this bill.

You can also contact Chairman Mills (james.mills@house.ga.gov - 404-656-5099), and thank him for bringing up HB 430 and assigning it to subcommittees -- and remind him again why it's important to pass this bill.

THANK YOU SO MUCH -- it's because of people like YOU, who are willing to take a few minutes of your valuable time to do something like this, that we have a GOOD SHOT at getting this bill moved through the General Assembly this year -- and even introduced in other states!

LET'S ROLL!

Bill Greene
http://www.ConstitutionalTender.com/

RonPaulFanInGA
03-10-2009, 05:21 PM
Reading the bill, the bill also makes it so the state has to pay the citizens in gold and silver too. So it goes both ways, it is not just the gold going to the state.

RonPaulFanInGA
03-10-2009, 05:22 PM
Earl Ehrhart (R-36) - earl@ehrhart.4emm.com - 404-656-5141

He represents me so I guess I'll give him a call.