RIGHT ON! Obama lifts Bush restrictions on stem cell research

[rational thinker]

http://www.reuters.com/article/CHMMFG/idUSN0936136620090309

Besides the closing of Gitmo, another positive thing he has done.

[Kludge]

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[dannno]

"We will lift the ban on federal funding for promising embryonic stem cell research."

He isn't lifting restrictions, he is beginning the federal funding of..

[zach]

"We will lift the ban on federal funding for promising embryonic stem cell research."

He isn't lifting restrictions, he is beginning the federal funding of..

So he'll start funding restrictions? What will that do?

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[gls]

I don't see how this is a good thing. The federal government should not be involved in this arena at all.

[Nirvikalpa]

I don't see how this is a good thing. The federal government should not be involved in this arena at all.

+1

[ItsTime]

Yes! I get to pay for the research of something then once they make massive break through (using my tax dollars) I will pay more than anyone in the world for the treatment! YES we can give more big business welfare!

[angelatc]

http://www.reuters.com/article/CHMMFG/idUSN0936136620090309

Besides the closing of Gitmo, another positive thing he has done.

There wasn't a ban on stem cell research. There was only a ban on federally funding such research.

It isn't a good thing. The most promising research to date has come from adult cells.

This won't advance science, only an agenda.

[Feenix566]

The government shouldn't be funding research at all. It should all be handled by private organizations.

[fletcher]

Since when is more unconstitutional spending a good thing?

[LibertyEagle]

there wasn't a ban on stem cell research. There was only a ban on federally funding such research.

It isn't a good thing. The most promising research to date has come from adult cells.

This won't advance science, only an agenda.

qft

[Golding]

This stem cell saga serves to show the importance of coming to the right conclusion via the right reasoning. Bush opposed federal funding to stem cell research because the hypothetical ethical issues conflicted with his religious beliefs. That set up the false argument of science being "forbidden" by opposition to religion. The image that stem cell research was "banned" in the United States was pervasive, but inaccurate.

[heavenlyboy34]

i don't see how this is a good thing. The federal government should not be involved in this arena at all.

+1776

[RonPaulMania]

http://www.reuters.com/article/CHMMFG/idUSN0936136620090309

Besides the closing of Gitmo, another positive thing he has done.

You call yourself a rational thinker? Honestly, I'm laughing thinking about your statement and "rational thinker" together.

[rational thinker]

You call yourself a rational thinker? Honestly, I'm laughing thinking about your statement and "rational thinker" together.

Of course you would. You are a Christian fundamentalist, after all. What else would anyone expect?

[rational thinker]

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[rational thinker]

You know what, I had it coming with choosing the moniker "rational thinker." Anyone who opposes any argument I make on here will always go for my name and I'm quite sick of it. Though I had it coming, is there anyway I can change my username? Or do I have to make a new account?

[A. Havnes]

There wasn't a ban on stem cell research. There was only a ban on federally funding such research.

It isn't a good thing. The most promising research to date has come from adult cells.

This won't advance science, only an agenda.

Exactly! Regardless of what anyone believes about the ethics of this research, it shouldn't be federally funded.

[rational thinker]

Exactly! Regardless of what anyone believes about the ethics of this research, it shouldn't be federally funded.

While that is true, I'd rather have something like this (aka science) funded than other programs which still exist to be funded.

It's better to have all federal funding abandoned, but that's not likely to happen.

So I am joyous to the fact that at least it was stem cell research that was supported.

[BarryDonegan]

im not sure how i feel about embryonic stem cell research. with abortion on demand, what happens if the companies who sell the fetuses to the researchers start paying women to get pregnant and abort in order to get more embryos...

abortion industrial complex is what will happen if both are simultaneously legal and there is a profiting company who needs abortion to stay afloat.

what if they form a powerful lobby and block birth control improvements via the FDA?

IDK, this situation is a little hairy to me.

im down with science, but this seems dangerous.

[GBurr]

This isn't good.

Obama has no business using my tax dollars to fund research.

Stealing money in order to help someone is still immoral and wrong. Te ends do not justify the means.

[satchelmcqueen]

This isn't good.

Obama has no business using my tax dollars to fund research.

Stealing money in order to help someone is still immoral and wrong. Te ends do not justify the means.

yes. i think private citizens should be the ones donating to anything.

[Liberty_is_NORML]

I don't see how this is a good thing. The federal government should not be involved in this arena at all.

werd

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Obama proves yet again what a douchebag he is with this whole mess. There shouldn't be any Federal funding for this research, period. Not only has NO benefit been rendered by embryonic stem cell research (going on 3 decades now IIRC), there is the ethical problem.

Embryonic-stage humans are still humans and using them as research is no different than taking an old homeless man off the streets and slicing him up for spare parts. The right to life is pre-political and the fact that our tax dollars are going to be spent on something monstrous like this is nauseating.

[angelatc]

You know what, I had it coming with choosing the moniker "rational thinker." Anyone who opposes any argument I make on here will always go for my name and I'm quite sick of it. Though I had it coming, is there anyway I can change my username? Or do I have to make a new account?

What argument did you make? The one I saw had a flawed premise (maybe two) right out of the gate.

[angelatc]

So I am joyous to the fact that at least it was stem cell research that was supported.

Why?

Are you aware that the research has actually produced very little useful results? Rejection is a huge issue. Patients are developing huge tumors. They've had much better luck with adult cells.

This only diverts funding away from the science that actually holds the real promise. This is not about science, it is an agenda. Read and learn, grasshopper.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html

http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/adult_stem_cell_research_and_therapies
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/new-major-breakthrough-in-adult-stem-cell-research/

[Original_Intent]

While that is true, I'd rather have something like this (aka science) funded than other programs which still exist to be funded.

It's better to have all federal funding abandoned, but that's not likely to happen.

So I am joyous to the fact that at least it was stem cell research that was supported.

So research that a good percentage of the population opposes for ethical reasons is a good option?

You make it sound like there is no federal funding of any science. Gee I am betting NASA will be disappointed to hear that.

Admit it, the entire point of this thread was to stick your thumb in the eye of any Christians/pro-lifers. I am sure you are "joyous" of the fact that it was stem cell research, not because the research has any merit or any good that it might do (highly questionable) but it is big win for secular humanism. Yay.

[Original_Intent]

Why?

Are you aware that the research has actually produced very little useful results? Rejection is a huge issue. Patients are developing huge tumors. They've had much better luck with adult cells.

This only diverts funding away from the science that actually holds the real promise. This is not about science, it is an agenda. Read and learn, grasshopper.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html

http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/adult_stem_cell_research_and_therapies
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/new-major-breakthrough-in-adult-stem-cell-research/

Perfect.

[Zuras]

Don't feel bad, Rational. You've fallen for a typical leftie canard. Grow on it.

[WarDog]

This is not a good thing they will just tax your wealth even more you cant be Rational Thinker its not rational and you need to read up on this. Its a disgrace

[rational thinker]

So research that a good percentage of the population opposes for ethical reasons is a good option?

You make it sound like there is no federal funding of any science. Gee I am betting NASA will be disappointed to hear that.

Admit it, the entire point of this thread was to stick your thumb in the eye of any Christians/pro-lifers. I am sure you are "joyous" of the fact that it was stem cell research, not because the research has any merit or any good that it might do (highly questionable) but it is big win for secular humanism. Yay.
Well, that too.

[rational thinker]

Why?

Are you aware that the research has actually produced very little useful results? Rejection is a huge issue. Patients are developing huge tumors. They've had much better luck with adult cells.

This only diverts funding away from the science that actually holds the real promise. This is not about science, it is an agenda. Read and learn, grasshopper.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html

http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/adult_stem_cell_research_and_therapies
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/new-major-breakthrough-in-adult-stem-cell-research/

I'm sorry but I disagree.

[ihsv]

Well, that too.

What a douche. Intentionally trying to cause trouble.

[angelatc]

I'm sorry but I disagree.

That's not an argument. That's an opinion.

[klamath]

One of the few good things Bush did was stop federal funding. The left has spun this issue so well, that you could poll the American people and they would think Bush unilaterally banned all public and private research in this area.
One more area I disagree with the Obama supporting OP on.

[CUnknown]

Guys, this thread is full of BS, this is not going to increase your taxes.. What it's doing is lifting the ban on funding stem cell research. Beforehand, money already allocated to, say, the NIH, was forced to go elsewhere even if the scientists thought it was best spent on stem cells. Now, the money is free to go wherever the NIH and the scientists think is best.

This is... get this... increasing the efficiency of government programs! Yay! Increasing the efficiency of your tax dollars that were already being spent on science, somewhere.

The only way you think this is bad is if you are religious. Then you have a perfectly understandable beef with it. But don't talk about taxes, please, at least not relative to what there was before under Bush.

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

[rational thinker]

Guys, this thread is full of BS, this is not going to increase your taxes.. What it's doing is lifting the ban on funding stem cell research. Beforehand, money already allocated to, say, the NIH, was forced to go elsewhere even if the scientists thought it was best spent on stem cells. Now, the money is free to go wherever the NIH and the scientists think is best.

This is... get this... increasing the efficiency of government programs! Yay! Increasing the efficiency of your tax dollars that were already being spent on science, somewhere.

The only way you think this is bad is if you are religious. Then you have a perfectly understandable beef with it. But don't talk about taxes, please, at least not relative to what there was before under Bush.

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

Where the fuck were you 30 posts ago?:D

Thanks for your input. I'm glad that there are a couple who see my POV and even if they don't agree, such angry responses I get are not helpful.

[Kludge]

That's not an argument. That's an opinion.

I disagree. :p

[LibertyEagle]

Nevermind.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

No one said jack or shit about an increased tax burden. Furthermore, I call bullshit on your asinine assertion that this line of research has been hugely productive. Back up your claim with a little proof. Angeltac has already linked to several clippings that point out that Embryonic Stem Cell research is fraught with dangers to the recipients, whereas Adult Stem Cells have been very beneficial.

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, that too.

So what are you saying here, that you're OK with unconstitutional spending and legislation, but only if it offends Christians?? :confused:

[Danke]

We don't need to cut federal spending, we just need the right kind of spending. Let's keep taxes high and continue the massive borrowing. :rolleyes:

[Bman]

So what are you saying here, that you're OK with unconstitutional spending and legislation, but only if it offends Christians?? :confused:

I am in full agreement though that no government money should go to support research or development of any kind.

But what's being said here is that the research can be done. Not that the government is spending money on it. And if the government stays out of the issue completely it would reduce government.

[paulitics]

:rolleyes:
Guys, this thread is full of BS, this is not going to increase your taxes.. What it's doing is lifting the ban on funding stem cell research. Beforehand, money already allocated to, say, the NIH, was forced to go elsewhere even if the scientists thought it was best spent on stem cells. Now, the money is free to go wherever the NIH and the scientists think is best.

This is... get this... increasing the efficiency of government programs! Yay! Increasing the efficiency of your tax dollars that were already being spent on science, somewhere.

The only way you think this is bad is if you are religious. Then you have a perfectly understandable beef with it. But don't talk about taxes, please, at least not relative to what there was before under Bush.

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

I'm not religious and I have a problem with my tax dollars paying for it. And why the broad pie in the sky assertions of government efficiency and taxes not going up when they get their greedy paws on more of the taxpayer's money. :rolleyes:

[rational thinker]

So what are you saying here, that you're OK with unconstitutional spending and legislation, but only if it offends Christians?? :confused:

I was kidding.

[Young Paleocon]

This spending is unconstitutional, and this science just like climate change and the greens is not apolitical. Big Science is real and it wants government subsidies. I'm not a Christian and I believe this is atrocious. Government funding science is no better than government in control of the media, it has ulterior motives and cannot be trusted.

[GunnyFreedom]

I am in full agreement though that no government money should go to support research or development of any kind.

But what's being said here is that the research can be done. Not that the government is spending money on it. And if the government stays out of the issue completely it would reduce government.

if you read the post I quoted, RT stated that one of the major reasons he liked it, was because it offended Christians. I don't think "Offending Christians" is a proper justification for violating he Constitution is all. I have no dog in the fight over stem cell research except to agree with AngelaTC regarding efficacy, that adult stem cell research is far more promising than embryonic stem cell research.

Besides, the research could always have been done. It has never been banned. Only the government funding of it was previously banned.

[GunnyFreedom]

I was kidding.

Well that, at least, is a relief. :)

[Original_Intent]

I am in full agreement though that no government money should go to support research or development of any kind.

But what's being said here is that the research can be done. Not that the government is spending money on it. And if the government stays out of the issue completely it would reduce government.

The above bold is dead wrong. Research could have been done at any time during the so called "ban". The only ban was a ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. The only reason to lift that ban is if there is going to be federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

Besides I thought they could harvest stem cells from umiblical cords of newborns? And no one has provided any evidence that ESC research is promising or any kind of useful therapies derived from ESC have been produced.

[bunklocoempire]

http://www.reuters.com/article/CHMMFG/idUSN0936136620090309

Besides the closing of Gitmo, another positive thing he has done.

Oh? Gitmo is closed? Or did he promise to close it?

A lot can happen in a year.:)

Bunkloco

[Bman]

if you read the post I quoted, RT stated that one of the major reasons he liked it, was because it offended Christians. I don't think "Offending Christians" is a proper justification for violating he Constitution is all. I have no dog in the fight over stem cell research except to agree with AngelaTC regarding efficacy, that adult stem cell research is far more promising than embryonic stem cell research.

Besides, the research could always have been done. It has never been banned. Only the government funding of it was previously banned.

Gotcha, Obviously missed that post, or even that the ban lifted was on federal funding. Yeah that is B.S. Yeah I don't know where my brain was there. Sorry fot typing.

[GunnyFreedom]

Gotcha, Obviously missed that post, or even that the ban lifted was on federal funding. Yeah that is B.S. Yeah I don't know where my brain was there. Sorry fot typing.

Never be sorry for typing, neither be sorry for standing up for what you believe even when you are mistaken. the only thing one ever needs to be sorry for (in this arena) is standing by a mistake for appearances sake, after that it has been proven to be a mistake.

So no apology necessary, but you are welcome anyway. :)

[SimpleName]

Better to spend here than elsewhere without a doubt. Screw NASA...cure cancer. Unfortunately, we know they won't substitute this for something else. It'll just be added on as yet another big expense. UGH! I just wish people would see how unconstitutional all of this federal spending is. Make treaties, coin money, determine tariffs, organize the military, and whatever else is in that VERY short list. Stop doing EVERYTHING else. Not to mention that these executive orders are not Constitutional themselves. They are an extreme use of executive power. Imagine the founders sitting around trying to reason one man establishing laws all by himself after just emancipated themselves from the king. And nobody says anything about it. Reminds me again about how shitty the media is.

[Danke]

Not to mention that these executive orders are not Constitutional themselves. They are an extreme use of executive power. Imagine the founders sitting around trying to reason one man establishing laws all by himself after just emancipated themselves from the king. And nobody says anything about it. Reminds me again about how shitty the media is.

Another common misconception. Executive Orders are not laws. They are only for the Executive Branch unless made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress.