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Chosen
03-08-2009, 11:36 PM
Useful Idiots and their "Conservative" Allies
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B2C8F9BB-B4BA-48F2-9DD1-81760B75E77F

Great article. Including the silly Murray Rothbard idea that William F Buckely Jr was a CIA agent! (you could insert LOL here, but not for the sake of laughter, to exemplify madness)



By William R. Hawkins
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, March 03, 2008

Testifying before the House Armed Services Committee on Thursday, February 28, Secretary of the Army Pete Geren and Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey Jr. proclaimed in a joint statement:

We have looked at the future and expect a future of protracted confrontation among state, non-state, and individual actors who will use violence to achieve political, religious, and other ideological ends. We will confront highly adaptive and intelligent adversaries who will exploit technology, information, and cultural differences to threaten U.S. interests. Operations in the future will be executed in complex environments and will range from peace engagement, to counterinsurgency, to major combat operations. This era of persistent conflict will result in high demand for Army forces and capabilities.

They listed a variety of causes for future conflicts including radicalism (both nationalist and religious), population growth pressing upon scarce resources, and the spread of military technology beyond Weapons of Mass Destruction. Similar lists have been drawn up throughout mankind’s bloody history. Even the spread of economic growth, which has improved the condition of billions of people, has mixed results. The economic capacity of secondary powers to sustain military operations has improved, while the heightened spirit of nationalism (often drawing on ethnic or religious fervor) has bolstered the willingness of people to fight on even under adverse conditions.

What made headlines was the Army leader’s testimony that:

Today’s Army is out of balance. The current demand for our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan exceeds the sustainable supply and limits our ability to provide ready forces for other contingencies....Equipment used repeatedly in harsh environments is wearing out more rapidly than programmed. Army support systems, designed for the pre-9/11 peacetime Army, are straining under the accumulation of stress from six years at war.

The Army currently has 591,000 soldiers on active duty (including 52,000 Army National Guard, and 21,000 Army Reserve). Forty-two percent (251,000) are deployed or forward-stationed in 80 countries around the world. Geren and Casey still maintained, “Our expeditionary Army is capable of deploying rapidly into any operational environment, conducting operations with modular forces anywhere in the world, and sustaining operations as long as necessary to accomplish the mission.”

But the strain is evident. The massive cutbacks in Army force levels in the 1990s reduced combat divisions from 18 to 14 under President George H. W. Bush, then down to 10 under President Bill Clinton.

One of the most important initiatives in the FY 2009 defense budget is to increase U.S. ground combat forces; the “boots on the ground” needed to secure any victory. The goal is to add approximately 74,000 soldiers by 2010, split between Active, Guard, and Reserve. Active duty forces would reach 547,000 in 48 brigades, with another 358,000 in the National Guard and 206,000 in the Reserve. The Marine Corps will also be expanding its strength, with a goal of 202,000 by 2011. Marine strength will return to where it was at the end of the Cold War, but the Army will still be significantly below its 1989 strength of 769,700 Active duty soldiers.

The Army and Marines will also have to be “reset” to recover from equipment loss and damage, an effort that will also include the procurement of a new generation of weapons. This effort to reconstitute American ground combat capabilities is part of a FY 2009 Pentagon budget of $515.4 billion. This seems like a large amount, but it is less than 17 percent of the total $3.1 trillion budget. When expected supplemental requests are added for combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the total will still only reach about four percent of GDP. As Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has pointed out, during the Korean War, 14 percent of GDP was going to defense, and during the Vietnam War, it was about 9 percent. The defense/GDP ratio refutes the notion that the United States has fallen into some sort of “imperial overstretch” that would make national decline inevitable.

Some of the most vehement criticism of this defense plan is coming from those who often claim they are from the “Old Right” and represent a mythical period of American isolationism when the country was free of any cares about the world. These false-flag “conservatives” are actually libertarians who share the Left’s philosophy on foreign policy, a desire to see the United States fail on the international stage. Their opposition to America using its wealth and strength to shape global events and hold the balance of power is not confined to the current wars in the Middle East but extended to the Cold War and even World War II.

Robert Higgs, Senior Fellow in Political Economy at the Independent Institute and editor of that organization’s journal, The Independent Review, attacked the new defense program in a column posted on LewRockwell.com. Higgs built his reputation on his 1987 book Crisis and Leviathan, a book which posited that a “leviathan” federal government arose during the nation’s mobilization for World War II, then carried into the Cold War.

The website of Lew Rockwell, who also runs the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, has become a haven for the antiwar movement. Commenting on the death of William F. Buckley Jr., Rockwell wrote, “I don't entirely buy into the idea that Buckley was a CIA Agent, as proposed by Murray Rothbard. But...the conservative movement he gave birth to (united by rabid anti-Communism interventionism abroad) has turned into a monster.”

Benjamin H. Friedman, a Research Fellow in Defense and Homeland Security Studies at the Cato Institute, argued for cuts in defense spending because “the Cold War is over; China isn’t much of an enemy,” and North Korea, Iran, and Syria are too weak to bother with. Writes Friedman, “the defense budget is buying and operating mostly carrier battle groups, army divisions and fighter aircraft — tools rarely useful in fighting terrorists, and even then, far more abundant than we need.”

Here Friedman makes a common mistake. Terrorism is only one threat along a spectrum of violence adversaries use to attain political objectives. It is America’s dominance in conventional and high-end warfighting capabilities that keeps enemies at the low end of operations. Terrorism and insurgencies are the tactics of the weak; of those whose capabilities have not grown to where they can wage war on a scale that can win control of people and territory. Sustained insurgent warfare that can expand into a territorial threat requires outside support for arms, training and diplomatic backing. To deter outside intervention, a strong conventional capability is needed. And the big wars that can really change the fate of a region, or the world, are between competing major powers. Friedman may dismiss China, but Beijing is already using its rising industrial and financial leverage to shake up global politics in Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America as it strives to become a “peer competitor” to America.

Doug Bandow, a former Cato staffer, has tried to rally fiscal conservatives against the Pentagon arguing, “Domestic issues are important, but the U.S. government's policy of promiscuous intervention, its foolish determination to insert itself in the middle of endless controversies around the globe, is what brought the horror of 9/11 upon the American heartland.” He has written, “Iraq is only a small factor for today's spendthrift hawks, who want to lavish money on everything everywhere. American foreign policy determines U.S. defense needs and thus military outlays. That is, the defense budget is the price of America's foreign policy.” Cutting defense would certainly hobble that policy, which is exactly what the left-liberals wanted to do at the end of the Reagan era.

In 1988, under the auspices of the World Policy Institute, a budget plan for “American Priorities in a New World Era” was drawn up by a group of prominent liberals and leftists. Many of these notables would end up, not in the Michael Dukakis administration they had imagined, but in the Clinton administration a term later. Massive cuts in the military were proposed. By 1999, the Army would be cut to 7 divisions with 391,000 Active soldiers and the Marines would be reduced to 67,000. The stated rationale for the cuts was chilling, “The military strategy outlined...entails a 10-year transition to a less globally ambitious military posture...precluding U.S. intervention in regional conflicts except for humanitarian purposes and U.N.-sanctioned peacekeeping efforts.” The report was published in the Spring 1989 issue of the World Policy Journal after George W.H. Bush had won the White House. However, the program was largely instituted under President Clinton. The second President Bush inherited a military that has been stretched thin by world events and will need significant effort to recover.
If left-libertarian views dominate the next administration, then America’s leadership in world affairs will collapse and the door will be open for the forces of radicalism, and the rise of new great powers. Global events will be dominated by states and groups with very different values and goals than those compatible with American security, or survival.

Chosen
03-08-2009, 11:41 PM
Yes I know some will agree or disagree on policy.

But I think this a good place where Ron Pauls ideas would be best separated from lewrockwells

LibertyEagle
03-09-2009, 12:27 AM
Useful Idiots and their "Conservative" Allies
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B2C8F9BB-B4BA-48F2-9DD1-81760B75E77F

Great article. Including the silly Murray Rothbard idea that William F Buckely Jr was a CIA agent! (you could insert LOL here, but not for the sake of laughter, to exemplify madness)

Rothbard was right. Buckley was pond scum. He did more to destroy traditional conservatism than anyone.

Putting the Pied Piper in perspective: tapped by the Establishment to lead the conservative movement astray, William F. Buckley, Jr. has enjoyed undeserved status as the political Right's leading apostle. (Book Review).
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-25695825_ITM


CIA Connection

Close on the heels of Buckley's success as a writer came a cloudy area that might explain much if we knew more about it -- Bill's connection with the CIA. He himself has admitted he was stationed in the CIA in Mexico for about a year as a "deep cover" agent. What he did there is still unknown, although "deep cover" suggests something of substance. Various writers have suggested he remains an agent. If so, this might account for some of Bill's subsequent apostasy, although possibly his only present connection is through his spy novels, which contain bona-fide CIA background material as well as plenty of illicit sex.

Either way, McManus sees the CIA connection as highly significant because of the roles and influence of Bill's unsavory friends -- Willmoore Kendall, James Burnham and Howard Hunt, all ex-CIA operatives. Kendall and Burnham were Trotskyite socialists as well, while Hunt ended up in prison in connection with the Watergate scandal. Kendall and Burnham became founding editors of National Review, taking their far-left views with them, and were staff writers for many years as the magazine subtly misled its readers away from traditional conservative tenets.

Readers and ex-readers of National Review will surely be surprised when McManus discusses the possible role of the CIA in establishing the magazine, quoting columnist Gary Wills, formerly a close friend of Bill's, asking if National Review is a "CIA operation." In a chapter that tells an enormous amount about the CIA, McManus wonders if the covert organization could possibly have funded the magazine, especially since nobody has ever explained how Buckley paid off a $19 million debt in the early years. McManus rightly asks:

To whom does the youthful owner of an upstart new magazine turn to make up such a sizable shortfall? And even more to the point, how could anyone in Buckley's position incur such losses without knowing in advance that the astronomical deficits would be covered by others? And would he not then be beholden to such benefactors? ...

It certainly would have made sense for an Establishment-controlled entity to provide the millions to keep National Review functioning. So the question must be asked: Did National Review's money tree grow in the CIA's orchard? We may never know, but CIA money did finance other publications, so the suggestion is eminently plausible.

Beholden or not, Buckley at this point in time initially did a considerable amount of good. Offering a "welcome life-preserver to young Americans on college campuses who were being swamped by a rising tide of liberalism," Buckley strongly opposed Communism, supported congressional anti-Communist investigative committees, and exposed much of the malfeasance of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations. But McManus agrees with Dr. Medford Evans' insightful observation that because Buckley had initially done so much good, he had positioned himself to do a great deal of harm. This, says McManus, is "the tactic of gaining credibility in order to betray the cause one feigns to advocate."

Subtly and gradually, neoconservative duplicity crept into Buckley's pronouncements. If you have ever wondered what neoconservatism is, you will find out in McManus' detailed chapter on the subject. With the prefix neo- (from Greek) meaning a new and different form of something already existing, it turns out that neoconservatism is a deceptive, misleading hodgepodge of Right and Left, lacking in consistency and, most notably, in reasoning from principle. Thus Buckley stridently opposed the Soviet Union but ignored the fact that the U.S. was keeping its tyrants in power with vast shipments of equipment, technology, food, money, and credit. Buckley blasted the damaging, counterproductive policies of U.S. leaders but blamed them on error and stupidity. He flayed American liberals but never mentioned that so-called conservatives were promoting and funding them. He supported NAFTA, GATT, and NATO without mentioning that they were eroding our national sovereignty.

All neocons call themselves Republicans simply because their raison d'etre is to infiltrate conservative Republican ranks. Irving Kristol, godfather of the neocon "intellectual trend," calls his brainchild a "conservative welfare state," a concept somewhat difficult to grasp. At a 1991 conference sponsored by Bill Buckley, Kristol named then-President George H.W. Bush as the leader of the overall conservative movement, including neoconservativism, within the GOP.

McManus sees this deplorable leftward shift as largely the result of Buckley's efforts to water down and emasculate conservatism's traditional meaning, providing an opening for the theft of the conservative label. Its importance lies in how it has influenced the thinking within the Republican Party, which has redefined how "vast numbers of Americans view their economy, their polity, and their society." In short, the Old Right has been co-opted by the deft connivance of the party's leading "conservative."

In a powerful summary, McManus lists Buckley's "achievements" that have earned him the plaudits of the Establishment but merit the condemnation of principled Americans. In brief, these are:

1. He has led many Americans away from timeless constitutional principles, thereby making it easier for our leaders to disregard the Constitution.

2. He has spent a lifetime working to accomplish the Establishment's very first and most important goal: Widespread belief that an overall conspiratorial plan does not exist.

3. He has supplied dignity and conservative cover to the Council on Foreign Relations by publicly joining it.

4. He produced a stream of lies, distortions, and ridicule about Robert Welch and the John Birch Society to keep Americans from gaining truthful knowledge about world affairs.

5. He sought to provide conservative legitimacy for individuals such as Nelson Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon as well as for policies such as the Panama Canal giveaway, the UN's Genocide Convention, the UN itself, South Africa's communist African National Congress, anti-gun legislation, national service, and aid to the USSR.

6. He has contributed to the undermining of the nation's morality by dignifying various forms of immoral behavior.

7. He has captivated many Americans with his intellectualism and extraordinary hauteur, leading them into complacency and away from becoming active in the true cause of liberty.

constituent
03-09-2009, 07:00 AM
got pwnd?

Truth Warrior
03-09-2009, 07:06 AM
And Buckley was a member of "Skull and Bones" AKA "The Order" TOO. Just like GWB and John Kerry, etc., etc., etc.. :p

Truth Warrior
03-09-2009, 07:13 AM
Yes I know some will agree or disagree on policy.

But I think this a good place where Ron Pauls ideas would be best separated from lewrockwells

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Locke) HINT: NEOCON! :rolleyes:

constituent
03-09-2009, 08:06 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Locke) HINT: NEOCON! :rolleyes:

He's right you know TW, this is one of those "wheat from chaff" issues. ;) :D

Aratus
03-09-2009, 08:15 AM
william f. buckley was cia from 1947 onwards for a time... he was an agent. i thought quite a few people knew this one...

Truth Warrior
03-09-2009, 08:18 AM
He's right you know TW, this is one of those "wheat from chaff" issues. ;) :D Yeah right, keep the chaff and throw away the wheat. :p

constituent
03-09-2009, 08:21 AM
Yeah right, keep the chaff and throw away the wheat. :p

exactly.

Pericles
03-09-2009, 08:45 AM
This is where the idealogue libertarians split from those who are more internationally pragmatic. There are loads of things an Army of this size should be doing - securing the southern border comes immediately to my mind.

Interestingly, the idealogues believe in the non aggression principle so much, that having an intelligence agency that would warn others of impending attack offends their sensibilities.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182538&highlight=aggression+warn+attack

This leads to the conclusion that US participation in WWII was wrong because the refusal of the US to conduct trade with Japan was a violation of libertarian principles. Somehow the fact that the purpose of Japan buying metal and oil was to conduct aggression elsewhere in Asia seems not to be a factor, but feel free to discuss.

Like it or not, the interests of the US and its citizens can not always be reconciled with the actions that other countries, organizations, and individuals wish to pursue. The question for libertarians is - "Does idealogy triumph over real world experience like it does for true believers of communism, socialism, fascists, and hard core neocons?" Does a theorhetical political concept have practical limits?

Truth Warrior
03-09-2009, 08:54 AM
This is where the idealogue libertarians split from those who are more internationally pragmatic. There are loads of things an Army of this size should be doing - securing the southern border comes immediately to my mind.

Interestingly, the idealogues believe in the non aggression principle so much, that having an intelligence agency that would warn others of impending attack offends their sensibilities.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182538&highlight=aggression+warn+attack

This leads to the conclusion that US participation in WWII was wrong because the refusal of the US to conduct trade with Japan was a violation of libertarian principles. Somehow the fact that the purpose of Japan buying metal and oil was to conduct aggression elsewhere in Asia seems not to be a factor, but feel free to discuss.

Like it or not, the interests of the US and its citizens can not always be reconciled with the actions that other countries, organizations, and individuals wish to pursue. The question for libertarians is - "Does idealogy triumph over real world experience like it does for true believers of communism, socialism, fascists, and hard core neocons?" Does a theorhetical political concept have practical limits?

No, that's part of the beauty of "theoretical" political concepts NO practical limits. Like STATE, for an obvious example. Well there is that pesky limit of the non-sustainability of exponential growth. ;)

Young Paleocon
03-09-2009, 09:06 AM
This is where the idealogue libertarians split from those who are more internationally pragmatic. There are loads of things an Army of this size should be doing - securing the southern border comes immediately to my mind.

Interestingly, the idealogues believe in the non aggression principle so much, that having an intelligence agency that would warn others of impending attack offends their sensibilities.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182538&highlight=aggression+warn+attack

This leads to the conclusion that US participation in WWII was wrong because the refusal of the US to conduct trade with Japan was a violation of libertarian principles. Somehow the fact that the purpose of Japan buying metal and oil was to conduct aggression elsewhere in Asia seems not to be a factor, but feel free to discuss.

Like it or not, the interests of the US and its citizens can not always be reconciled with the actions that other countries, organizations, and individuals wish to pursue. The question for libertarians is - "Does idealogy triumph over real world experience like it does for true believers of communism, socialism, fascists, and hard core neocons?" Does a theorhetical political concept have practical limits?

I don't know how posting soldiers on the border violates non aggression it's clearly a defensive action. And on the intelligence gathering front, if it's information on non-state actors then one might transfer it to a nation about to be attacked, but as far as state on state action is concerned fuck'em both. No alliances, none of our business.

LibertyEagle
03-09-2009, 09:11 AM
No, that's part of the beauty of "theoretical" political concepts NO practical limits. Like STATE, for an obvious example. Well there is that pesky limit of the non-sustainability of exponential growth. ;)

Well then, it's a good thing some of us have our feet grounded in reality.

constituent
03-09-2009, 10:49 AM
I don't know how posting soldiers on the border violates non aggression it's clearly a defensive action.

To the locals it's an occupation.

constituent
03-09-2009, 10:50 AM
our feed grounded in reality.

hadn't heard that one before.

is that like never putting lipstick a pig during the first date?

LibertyEagle
03-09-2009, 10:59 AM
lol.

It was a typo. I was correcting it at the same time you were posting. :)

Young Paleocon
03-09-2009, 11:08 AM
To the locals it's an occupation.

I don't know I think there are many ways you could go about it. I mean I don't envision humvee patrols going through the streets. Just build bases a ways back from the border, have spotters at the border and have first responder teams at the ready. I know that sounds militant but until we take away the welfare incentives for the illegal immigrants and the foreign policy incentives for the terrorists what else can we do? Plus what if the Mexican state were to collapse? I don't even think large bases would be required, maybe 5-20 thousand soldiers for the whole border.

Truth Warrior
03-09-2009, 11:32 AM
Well then, it's a good thing some of us have our feet grounded in reality. Keep telling yourself that one. :D

constituent
03-09-2009, 11:40 AM
It was a typo. I was correcting it at the same time you were posting. :)

zing! I love it when that happens :)

LibertyEagle
03-09-2009, 11:56 AM
Keep telling yourself that one. :D

Yeah, I'm a strange one alright. I actually believe instead of sitting on one's ass and trying to encourage everyone else to do likewise, it's preferable to actually pursue a strategy to rectify the situation that you hate so much.

Truth Warrior
03-09-2009, 12:08 PM
Yeah, I'm a strange one alright. I actually believe instead of sitting on one's ass and trying to encourage everyone else to do likewise, it's preferable to actually pursue a strategy to rectify the situation that you hate so much. Well your tribal sub minority of a larger tribal sub minority of a yet larger tribal sub minority of "We the People" can certainly use all of the help it can get. Go recruit among the teens and 20 somethings. In general, they seem to be pretty naive, idealistic and optimistic TOO. Just exactly your kind of folks.<IMHO>

LibertyEagle
03-09-2009, 12:12 PM
Meanwhile, you'll just stay on the couch and continue to "submit", eh?

Truth Warrior
03-09-2009, 12:14 PM
Meanwhile, you'll just stay on the couch and continue to "submit", eh? What do you care? You got MILLION. :D

Brian4Liberty
03-09-2009, 12:39 PM
There are loads of things an Army of this size should be doing - securing the southern border comes immediately to my mind.

Or decrease the Army's budget, and increase the Border Patrol.

Pericles
03-09-2009, 01:53 PM
Depends on which message you want to send.

We are repelling an invasion, or we are really serious about seeing your passport when entering the US.