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Man from La Mancha
09-15-2007, 09:38 PM
People remember this is independent of HQ and could fix the vote fraud while getting Ron on radio nationwide. I encourage you to check this out, besides it is already in motion. I will give $100, if the voting is not fixed soon Ron won't win and these are the only people I know that are doing more than just talking. La Mancha Man



September 15, 2007 NA (Network America) e-wire

Taking the War to the New World Order - Strategy: 1 of 3

While complaints are everywhere, I will herein identify the ACTION PLAN that can turn the tables on the New World Order in the NEXT FOUR MONTHS. I need to ask all of you to read this. It will take a few minutes, but I couldn't make it any shorter and get all the necessary concepts in.

Anyone interested in the Ron Paul campaign should find this enlightening and / or essential reading for the days ahead.

HISTORIC LAWSUIT

An historic lawsuit was filed in federal court by the intrepid Robert Schulz of "We the People" Foundation. The suit was filed on September 12, 2007. It sues 10 key states, and the Secretary of State in each state, for using computerized systems which hide the ballots from the people on election day and thereafter, and which therefore violate our constitutional right to vote as guaranteed to US citizens by the constitution, and as defined twice by the US Supreme Court (in 1964 and in 1915).

This lawsuit is aimed at all 50 states and is on behalf of the rights of all US citizens. The lawsuit will be available to be read by everyone in a day or two - and it is a POWERFUL job by Mr. Schulz.

Mr. Schulz has been best known for his legal work regarding the IRS, but his organization, "We the People", has the overriding purpose of safeguarding the right of the people to petition the government for the "redress of grievances" as described in the US Constitution.

In August of 2007 - one month ago, -- Mr. Schulz teamed up with Citizens for a Fair Vote Count, Vote in Sunshine, and other Honest Election advocates -- and filed suit against the Iowa GOP and the Iowa State Auditor for the "hide the ballots" Diebold Computer system that was being unconscionably used to "count" the Iowa Straw Poll votes in the dark.

This "Iowa Straw Poll" lawsuit was the forerunner of the National Clean Elections Lawsuit (N-CEL) that has now been filed.

FOUR MYSTERIOUS MEGA-CORPORATIONS "COUNT" VOTE

This national lawsuit is necessary because 49 states and half of New Hampshire use this same type of anti-American "hide the ballots" computerized system on every primary and national election day. This has been going on since at least as far back as 1988.

Since at least as far back as 1988, 3131 out of 3141 of the counties in the USA have illegally and unconstitutionally delegated the "count" to one of roughly four mysterious mega-corporations. Those four companies are Diebold, ES & S (Election Systems & Software), Hart, and Sequoia. ES & S alone "counts" 60% of the American vote on primary and November election days. ES & S, Diebold, Hart, and Sequoia "count" 96% of the vote in the USA.

(These companies are so shady and crooked, that all four have been recently decertified by Debra Bowen, the Secretary of State of California. The 5 Big TV Networks, of course, treated this as less important that the ongoing saga of Britney Spears.)

That means that only 10 counties in the USA (all ten in New Hampshire) still count the vote properly, i.e., paper ballots; ballots/ballot box kept in public view all day; counted at closing time by citizens from that neighborhood precinct with all factions allowed to watch at close range; and with the result posted at the precinct BEFORE the ballots leave the precinct and the public sight. This local, open count -- makes it impossible for anyone to rig the results by computer from a central location, as can now be easily done by the four mega-corporations "counting" our votes in secret each election day.

BUSH. CLINTON. BUSH. CLINTON. VOTESCAM, ANYONE?

Since 1988, when "hide the ballots from the public" computerized systems were fully in place against the people of the USA in 49 states and half of New Hampshire - only two families have inhabited the White House: the Bushes and the Clintons.

Now, the 5 Big TV Networks and Clear Channel Radio are spewing forth propaganda daily that Hillary Clinton is probably going to be the next president - even though she is universally unpopular with the people of the United States.

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. Votescam, anyone?

RNC, DNC, 5 BIG TV NETWORKS HAVE COOPERATED TO IMPOSE COMPUTERIZED VOTESCAM ON AMERICA

How did this happen? The National and state Republican and Democratic committees have pressured/cajoled/incentivised election officials in 3131 local counties to hire these four mega-companies.

The local election officials have totally abdicated their responsibilities by turning over the "count" to the mega-companies, and then signing the results provided by the mega-companies. The signing of these "results" is an act of blind faith by the local election officials.

Meanwhile, the 5 TV networks cover up what is happening, and never tell the people that they - whether citizens, candidates, or news media -- will be arrested if they try to see and count their own ballots on election day, or anytime soon thereafter (again, with the exception of those ten counties in New Hampshire).

WORKING FOR HONEST ELECTIONS STRIKES AT THE HEART OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER

Since joining the Honest Elections war, Mr. Robert Schulz and "We the People" have come under great persecution due to a preposterous ruling against him by a federal judge. He argues against this persecution in Federal court on the 18th of this month. Please keep these proceedings in your prayers. His website is: www.WeThePeopleFoundation.org .


WHAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED ABOUT OUR RIGHT TO VOTE

This National Clean Election Lawsuit (N-CEL) stands on its own. It is a long overdue attempt to restore the right to vote as described in the Constitution and described by the US Supreme Court to the American people.

The Supreme Court said there are two parts to the right to vote: a) the right to cast a ballot; b) the right to know that it is counted accurately.

As it stands, this SECOND part of our right to vote has been cleverly stolen from us by a Ruling Elite working through the Republican National Committee (RNC), Democratic National Committee (DNC), four mega-corporations who provide the computers to the local counties on election night, and the 5 Big TV Networks and their local affiliates, who hide what is gong on from the people, and playing several other key roles in each election cycle.

THE FEDERAL COURTS MUST RULE

The federal courts must rule on this National Clean Elections Lawsuit in the next four months - before the primaries begin in January. (Election cases are expedited to the front of the line because of the real life deadlines, namely, election day.)

If the federal courts refuse to reverse the current hiding of the ballots from the citizens on election day - then we will be on FULL AND FINAL notice that we are no longer living under the Constitution of the United States of America, but instead are living under an alien, shadow government, the beginning of the New World Order tyranny, that has yet to announce itself by name.

Nothing is more basic to a free people than to be able to see their ballots and count the votes themselves on election day.

There is only one word for a government which insists on hiding the ballots from the citizens until the results are announced: tyranny - (or, at least, tyranny in the making).

Such incipient tyrants MUST BE CALLED - AND STOPPED - NOW!

We are hoping that at least 5000 citizens will stand up with us in the four months (September 2007 to February 2008) ahead in a very specific way. Let me explain:

Part I of our Network America strategy is to publicize and support this lawsuit - because, while it stands on its own, -- and is in fact above politics and not associated with any candidate -- it is the hill upon which we will find out whether or not we still have any part of our constitutional government.

PULLING THE MASK OFF OF SEAN HANNITY . . .
Part II is to use congressional candidates in various parts of the country, and the reasonable access law, to force radio ads onto the Big Talk Radio Stations. These radio ads will pull the mask off of the 5 Big TV Networks, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

These Big Media outlets and voices PRETEND to be referees in the Presidential race. In fact, they are campaigners for the 6 Ruling Elite-backed candidates (McCain, Thompson, Romney, Ghouliani, Hillary, Obama, Edwards).

And, -- what our radio ads will focus us, -- they are ruthlessly censoring the one champion of the Constitution who is running from President: Congressman Ron Paul (despite his many amazing victories in verifiable straw polls and in verifiable online and text polls).

In other words, these mega-media corporations are DAILY giving millions of illegal in-kind campaign contributions to Ghouliani and Hillary and Obama, etc., while ruthlessly censoring Ron Paul.

TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY -- "RON PAUL" Republican Party

Part III is to teach 300,000+ Americans the ten minute lesson of how to run for precinct chairman in one's own neighborhood, go to the county organizational meeting for your party (Republican or Democrat) and election honest party officials. (All 3141 counties in the USA are controlled by the Republicans and/or the Democrats, as far as we know.)

This simple activity takes about 20 hours per year, at most. Once a majority of citizens in your county have elected good county chairmen, the county election officials can restore honest voting (machine free, computer free, paper ballots counted by the people in the open), -- and nominate for office good congressional candidates, as well as good candidates for all other local offices, who will preserve the sovereignty o the USA.

A website is almost set up to organize 300,000 plus Ron Paul supporters to re-make the Republican Party as a Ron Paul Republican Party:

http://www.ronpaulfriendsusa.com/

And you might want to read these two articles on networkamerica.org to get a good idea of how vitally important the precinct system is:

http://www.networkamerica.org/most_powerful_office.htm

(This above link is to a short talk which was given in 1986 to explain to a pro-life group in Cincinnati how the precinct system works. The reader should be able to see how this applies to Ron Paul Supporters taking back the Republican Party in early 2008.)

And the below linked article explains some of the practical mechanics, so you can visualize what you would need to do to run for precinct and elect a "Ron Paul" county chairman in the Republican Party in your county:

http://www.networkamerica.org/10minute.htm

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We're going to be looking for about 5000 individuals to help us fund and implement this 3 point strategy. I mean, it's only the country that is at stake!

Congressman Ron Paul is giving us an opportunity. He is the national leader to preserve and/or restore true freedom.

The three part strategy is NOT duplicating anything the Ron Paul Campaign is doing. But all three parts of this strategy must ALSO be done, or the New World Order forces ALREADY IN PLACE will "bury" the Ron Paul campaign and its message by Super Tuesday. They are now in the process of doing so through Big Media censorship via the Big Media.

CFR / NEW WORLD ORDER CANDIDATES HAVE THE BIG MEDIA, THE DNC, and the RNC ALREADY; - WHO IS SPEAKING UP FOR RON PAUL?

Most Ron Paul supporters seem to be unaware that Romney, Ghouliani, Thompson, McCain, Hillary, EDWARDS and OBAMA already have their infrastructure in place: it is ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX, the present GOP precinct leaders, and the present Democratic precinct leaders. In fact, Romney, Hillary, etc. - all members of the "Insider" Council on Foreign Relations - are aware that they are in an intramural fight to get the approval of the "Board of Directors" in New York City and Washington D.C. - so that one of them become the next president.

--- Who is watching out for Ron Paul in this regard? No one. That is the WHY of our three part strategy.

EMPHASIS: the big media and precinct system now in place - is THE NEW WORLD ORDER SYSTEM. It is being used against us. So what do we do?

We must overwhelm the Big Media (ABC, CBS, etc.) with the New Independent Media --- the internet, with conference calls, and with congressional ads over the big talk radio stations.

Secondly, we must enter and take back the Precinct system. Then it will be our system again, and we can take back the country in 2 or 4 years. (Isn't it amazing that none of the big national leaders have told you about how this precinct system works?)

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WHY WE NEED 5000+ RON PAUL SUPPORTERS

In order to run the radio ads needed to make Ron Paul a household word, and in order to pay for the 3 part counter-attack, we estimate it will take the equivalent of 5000 Ron Paul supporters to donate on average $100 each. We will be putting up videos on the internet (YouTube and elsewhere) and holding conference calls about this. We believe when people see the vision of what this can do - then we will find more than 5000 Ron Paul supporters who will see the need for this complementary action plan, and will help.

Most of the money, by far, will be to advertise on the big Talk Radio stations about the Big Media censorship of the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign and, on a second radio ad, about the crooked computerized election systems now in use.

But there are incidental expenses that cannot be avoided. For instance:

The #1 webmaster in the country may be available to help power the necessary website to make all of this happen. She works for the movement out of love of country, but she needs to make some money to keep her lights on. We really need her in the few months ahead.

In another matter, Mr. Schulz of "We the People" put out $1600 of his own money to fly into Nebraska, and the drive to Des Moines, Iowa on August 9, 2006 - to make sure the lawsuit against the Iowa GOP, etc. was filed in time, losing a night's sleep along the way. Then he is also fronting the filing fee for the National Clean Election Lawsuit (N-CEL) which was filed on September 12, 2007, which was $335.

(Remember, Mr. Bob Schulz and "We the People" are not associated with any political movement, but work for the rights of all the people; nevertheless, I feel an obligation to help him out with these expenses, for it is not fair for him to do all the work on the litigation, and have to pay for all the expenses himself also.)

If anyone feels moved to help us gear up for the fight ahead and defray necessary expenses already incurred, please use PayPal to email your donation to: realnews247@fuse.net - or mail to Network America, PO Box 11339, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211.

Any donation now will not be part of a political campaign, although that will change under certain circumstances as we roll out the non-litigation parts of this ACTION strategy.

Many thanks in advance for those who can do so. If I had the money myself, I would never make a funding appeal, but unfortunately you are stuck with a "struggling crusader."

Everyone into the Battle!



Jim Condit Jr.
Network America e-wire service

EMAIL US at: votefraud@fuse.net -- or simply reply to this message;

mavtek
09-15-2007, 09:48 PM
Sounds interesting.........

Mitt Romneys sideburns
09-15-2007, 09:50 PM
1 supporter to read every word?

Man from La Mancha
09-15-2007, 09:52 PM
1 supporter to read every word?Well if you want to see Ron get elected, doesn't cost anything to read, just go to the bottom 1st to see what is needed and what will be done.

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Givemelibertyor.....
09-15-2007, 10:17 PM
Part II is to use congressional candidates in various parts of the country, and the reasonable access law, to force radio ads onto the Big Talk Radio Stations. These radio ads will pull the mask off of the 5 Big TV Networks, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

These Big Media outlets and voices PRETEND to be referees in the Presidential race. In fact, they are campaigners for the 6 Ruling Elite-backed candidates (McCain, Thompson, Romney, Ghouliani, Hillary, Obama, Edwards).

And, -- what our radio ads will focus us, -- they are ruthlessly censoring the one champion of the Constitution who is running from President: Congressman Ron Paul (despite his many amazing victories in verifiable straw polls and in verifiable online and text polls).

In other words, these mega-media corporations are DAILY giving millions of illegal in-kind campaign contributions to Ghouliani and Hillary and Obama, etc., while ruthlessly censoring Ron Paul.

Interesting idea. Using Congressional candidates to get commercial time during Hannity.

hehehe. Sign me up.

McDermit
09-15-2007, 10:22 PM
In fact, they are campaigners for the 6 Ruling Elite-backed candidates (McCain, Thompson, Romney, Ghouliani, Hillary, Obama, Edwards).

Joe Knows
09-15-2007, 10:24 PM
Interesting idea. Using Congressional candidates to get commercial time during Hannity.

hehehe. Sign me up.

Sign me up, too.

Lord Xar
09-15-2007, 10:29 PM
Can someone share the above in layman terms..

Thomas_Paine
09-15-2007, 10:55 PM
I'm in.

transistor
09-15-2007, 11:10 PM
i'm down for $100...

i'd like to know who the "#1 webmaster in the country" is though

AdamT
09-15-2007, 11:16 PM
I've been waiting for something like this to happen.

cjhowe
09-16-2007, 01:15 AM
Has We the People ever opened a law book?

1) Secret Voting - If they are filing on behalf of U.S. Citizens, they likely don't have standing. Voting is a state function, even when for a federal position. In addition, they have to be able to prove harm, which is the whole point in having secret voting. The state legislature is the correct venue for this action, not the judiciary.

2) Equal Time Rule- Does not apply to interview format shows or on the spot news coverage
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/E/htmlE/equaltimeru/equaltimeru.htm

3) Precinct Chairman - This is really something better handled at your meetup groups meetings.

Man from La Mancha
09-16-2007, 01:34 AM
Has We the People ever opened a law book?

1) Secret Voting - If they are filing on behalf of U.S. Citizens, they likely don't have standing. Voting is a state function, even when for a federal position. In addition, they have to be able to prove harm, which is the whole point in having secret voting. The state legislature is the correct venue for this action, not the judiciary.

2) Equal Time Rule- Does not apply to interview format shows or on the spot news coverage
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/E/htmlE/equaltimeru/equaltimeru.htm

3) Precinct Chairman - This is really something better handled at your meetup groups meetings.


You didn't even read the beginning of the article. They are filing against states.


An historic lawsuit was filed in federal court by the intrepid Robert Schulz of "We the People" Foundation. The suit was filed on September 12, 2007. It sues 10 key states, and the Secretary of State in each state, for using computerized systems which hide the ballots from the people on election day and thereafter, and which therefore violate our constitutional right to vote as guaranteed to US citizens by the constitution, and as defined twice by the US Supreme Court (in 1964 and in 1915).

This lawsuit is aimed at all 50 states and is on behalf of the rights of all US citizens. The lawsuit will be available to be read by everyone in a day or two - and it is a POWERFUL job by Mr. Schulz.



2) They have multiple people running for office in different states so they can run ads anytime and anywhere they want and say anything..

3)says who, the more people get involved the better

This men have done these things before have you?

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V-rod
09-16-2007, 01:34 AM
Changed my mind

cjhowe
09-16-2007, 01:47 AM
You didn't even read the beginning of the article. They are filing against states.



2) They have multiple people running for office in different states so they can run ads anytime and anywhere they want and say anything..

3)says who, the more people get involved the better

This men have done these things before have you?

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1) You state that they're filing on behalf of U.S. Citizens. They do not have standing as U.S. Citizens, only as disenfranchised voters of the state, ie resident of Texas. For which they cannot show disenfranchisement because it's secret voting!
2) They can run all the ads they want, you mentioned complaining about equal time. Equal time rule does not apply to the people you want to bash.
3) I messaged you privately on this matter.

done these things before...They lost because they didn't read the friggin law! :-)

Man from La Mancha
09-16-2007, 01:58 AM
1) You state that they're filing on behalf of U.S. Citizens. They do not have standing as U.S. Citizens, only as disenfranchised voters of the state, ie resident of Texas. For which they cannot show disenfranchisement because it's secret voting!
2) They can run all the ads they want, you mentioned complaining about equal time. Equal time rule does not apply to the people you want to bash.
3) I messaged you privately on this matter.

done these things before...They lost because they didn't read the friggin law! :-)

If you have better action plan in place now to assure honest vote counting, please tell me.

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cjhowe
09-16-2007, 02:02 AM
If you have better action plan in place now to assure honest vote counting, please tell me.

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Your L-E-G-I-S-L-A-T-U-R-E

Man from La Mancha
09-16-2007, 03:18 AM
Your L-E-G-I-S-L-A-T-U-R-E No not some pie in the sky of bought off legislators. What do you personally have and what organization do you have to right now, to make change to the voting process? Like these men are DOING NOW, not some opinion, but action now.

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john_anderson_ii
09-16-2007, 04:36 AM
I don't really have 20/20 on this issue, but it seems we have a big issue, and a less than workable solution. I'm not bashing the effort involved, but I'm going to stand up and say that the lawsuit approach isn't going to work! Especially in the face of "political expediency". Which is going to be the argument to shut the books on this matter. Think about the SCO Vs. IBM (& SCO Vs. Novell). It was a BS case to begin with, but here we are in year 4, with SCO filing chapter 11, and NOTHING has been resolved.

We need a more workable, and immediate solution. I don't know the answer, but I do know that the judicial isn't the solution in this case. We will see 8 years of Hillary or Gouhlianni before the judicial even speaks from the bench on this matter.

The gears grind slowly in the sloth-like federal system.

Man from La Mancha
09-16-2007, 06:16 AM
I don't really have 20/20 on this issue, but it seems we have a big issue, and a less than workable solution.

The gears grind slowly in the sloth-like federal system.
It's possible to find a state court with balls and get ball rolling?
I realize what your saying but this could be good start to get PR and they do want to run nationwide ads for Ron and the vote issues.

The quickest way I would know of is to get enough signatures in each state to start impeachment proceedings against all the state senators unless they immediately go back to paper voting that is witnessed by voters. From what I heard once it can take only couple months to impeach and the threat alone should be enough.

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constituent
09-16-2007, 06:38 AM
no moneyies .... but i'd be willing to help in any way possible.

jonahtrainer
09-16-2007, 08:49 AM
No not some pie in the sky of bought off legislators. What do you personally have and what organization do you have to right now, to make change to the voting process? Like these men are DOING NOW, not some opinion, but action now.

I do not think we fully comprehend the awful situation we are in.

While this is a good effort it will probably be shot down by the federal courts for multiple reasons such as standing. However, standing came out of the New Deal, has been refined in the 70's and was never intended by the Framers. They wanted Congress to have wide latitude in fashioning legislation to determine who could sue.

The Supreme Court said they wanted to 'reduce' their power but really they expanded it. To have Art. II standing one must show injury, causation and redressability. In this case, it will be very difficult to show injury. The allegation of causation would suffice. However, the court will probably balk at its ability to redress the problem.

This leads into the second way the Court is going to dodge the issue, political question doctrine. This is what they should have done in Bush v. Gore but didn't.

So, while this is a noble attempt they will probably not get anywhere.

The correct venue to take this is through the precincts and up. That is what scares the shadow government so much about the Ron Paul revolution; it is a bottom up movement that they are unable to control. At the end of the day, a people gets they type of government they want.

This problem could have been solved much easier in 1861 or 1907 or 1937, etc. The longer we wait the heavier the chains and deeper the blood when we really try to regain our freedom.

As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes and effects, Providence punishes national sins by national calamities.

LibertyEagle
09-16-2007, 09:02 AM
Most of the money, by far, will be to advertise on the big Talk Radio stations about the Big Media censorship of the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign and, on a second radio ad, about the crooked computerized election systems now in use.

I assume the same PAC name will be used for all ads. Both the ones about crooked computerized election systems and the ones about big media censorship of the Ron Paul Presidential campaign. If I am correct in that assumption, then the Ron Paul campaign will be associated with all the ideas put forth by these ads.

Two weeks ago in the Thursday night conference call, one of the things discussed was a few people in that group putting together a letter to Ron Paul. One of the things proposed was to ask him if he would vocally come out against electronic voting machines. IF he agrees to this and IF we can see the content of the ads, before they are viewed, then yes, I think we should contribute to this effort. If not, NO WAY!!!

It is my understanding that the campaign has not exactly endorsed Jim Condit's approach and I, for one, want nothing whatsoever to do with supporting that group's actions IF they are going to ONCE AGAIN, associate Ron Paul with their actions. Anyone remember Mr. Condit's actions in the radio interview with Jan Mickelson of WHO radio in Iowa? It was not pretty. Why exactly they think they have to mention Ron Paul when they are attempting to get Voting Machines kicked out is beyond me. I support efforts to rid us of voting machines, but why do they need to spout "Ron Paul", when doing so????

Unless we absolutely know that they are not going to associate Ron Paul with their efforts, or they have been able to get his approval, I do NOT think we should be supporting this.

jpa
09-16-2007, 01:38 PM
Don't give any money to these crackpots (Jim Conduit Jr. and the We the People foundation).

They will do nothing but harm for the Ron Paul campaign (like they did in Iowa).

If you want to donate your time or money to stop vote fraud, there are many better, legit operations set up to do this.

Jim & crew are racist, anti-semites.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6759022809518563654&q
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2007/05/jim-condit-jrs-lecture-final-solution.html

http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2005/01/05.html
(scroll down to wingnut to watch 2005)

LibertyEagle
09-16-2007, 02:05 PM
Don't give any money to these crackpots (Jim Conduit Jr. and the We the People foundation).

They will do nothing but harm for the Ron Paul campaign (like they did in Iowa).

If you want to donate your time or money to stop vote fraud, there are many better, legit operations set up to do this.

Jim & crew are racist, anti-semites.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6759022809518563654&q
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2007/05/jim-condit-jrs-lecture-final-solution.html

http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2005/01/05.html
(scroll down to wingnut to watch 2005)

Well, to be fair, I've watched about 1/2 of the video on google video thus far and he doesn't seem anti-semitic at all. What he does seem like however, is anti-Zionist. That's very different, is it not?

Man from La Mancha
09-16-2007, 02:07 PM
Don't give any money to these crackpots (Jim Conduit Jr. and the We the People foundation).

They will do nothing but harm for the Ron Paul campaign (like they did in Iowa).

If you want to donate your time or money to stop vote fraud, there are many better, legit operations set up to do this.

Jim & crew are racist, anti-semites.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6759022809518563654&q
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2007/05/jim-condit-jrs-lecture-final-solution.html

http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2005/01/05.html
(scroll down to wingnut to watch 2005)


Don't call people associated with Jim as believing the same thing, that is group think. Yes his views are controversial but that doesn't make his experience in vote fraud any less useful. If objecting to a fascist state of Israel killing hundreds of Palestinians and out lawing Christianity there, the deliberate attempt by the Israel to sink the USS liberty and killing over 30 US navy men. if selling our weapon secrets to our enemies that we shared with Israel, if criticizing any of this is anti-semite then I'm proud to be called that. Jim might be extreme but don't throw baby out with the bathwater. Ron's freedom message covers many different individuals.

I didn't see any harm done. The Ron Paul movement is growing everyday. I see you don't have any plans in action now that can match Jim and friends. So lets see how this plays out. One does not need to donate till one see's proof of the content of the ads. that is what I'll be doing.

Please comment on my other idea about an admendment for paper ballot voting please...http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=18360

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Clamidia
09-16-2007, 02:08 PM
We need 5,000 suppoerters...because that would be 4,900 more than we have now?