Dear Christians - Neocons are atheists

[jb4ronpaul]

Many of you are familiar with the ideas of Strauss, probably the founder of the neocon philosophy. He was an atheist but believed it was critical for religion to be used in society and by government to maintain order and a sense of purpose. Having been involved in neocon circles I assure you the idea is true. Rove is not religious and many think he is an atheist. Religion is merely a tool, most of the true philosophical neocons have no personal faith at all. They will point to the greek philosophers as evidence of the truth of this position. I had a neocon professor and his whole idea was that Socrates allowed himself to be executed rather than expose the religious myths of the state as lies, because he believed these myths were critical to keeping society together. This by the way is not an accurate interpretation of the Greeks.

I am directing this to people of faith. Neocons USE religious people, just as tyrants have done all throughout history. I personally find this idea of using religion for political purposes as one of the most repugnant things possible. Even though I disagree with them, at least the athiest left was honest and straightforward about what they were. My faith is something important to me I try to live on a daily basis, not a political tool. I am sorry but we were used. I hope we can educate all Christians on what the neocons are all about, and we will relegate this morally bankrupt philosophy to the dustbin of history. Their horrible and anti-human foreign policy is a good place to start.

[yongrel]

I understand what you're saying, but could we please avoid furthering the negative stigma attached to atheism.

I don't like manipulative politicians anymore than the next guy, but I also don't like atheism being a snarl word.

[Corydoras]

Have you read David Kuo's "Tempting Faith"?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/13/AR2006101301583_pf.html

[Corydoras]

I don't like manipulative politicians anymore than the next guy, but I also don't like atheism being a snarl word.

I agree. I think "cynic" perhaps is a better word. History is full of people who cynically behaved unethically but were indubitably associated with religious groups.

[barcop]

Many of you are familiar with the ideas of Strauss, probably the founder of the neocon philosophy. He was an atheist but believed it was critical for religion to be used in society and by government to maintain order and a sense of purpose. Having been involved in neocon circles I assure you the idea is true. Rove is not religious and many think he is an atheist. Religion is merely a tool, most of the true philosophical neocons have no personal faith at all. They will point to the greek philosophers as evidence of the truth of this position. I had a neocon professor and his whole idea was that Socrates allowed himself to be executed rather than expose the religious myths of the state as lies, because he believed these myths were critical to keeping society together. This by the way is not an accurate interpretation of the Greeks.

I am directing this to people of faith. Neocons USE religious people, just as tyrants have done all throughout history. I personally find this idea of using religion for political purposes as one of the most repugnant things possible. Even though I disagree with them, at least the athiest left was honest and straightforward about what they were. My faith is something important to me I try to live on a daily basis, not a political tool. I am sorry but we were used. I hope we can educate all Christians on what the neocons are all about, and we will relegate this morally bankrupt philosophy to the dustbin of history. Their horrible and anti-human foreign policy is a good place to start.

Wow you figured it out... all athiests are evil. Booooo athiests.

[RP4ME]

I understand what you're saying, but could we please avoid furthering the negative stigma attached to atheism.

I don't like manipulative politicians anymore than the next guy, but I also don't like atheism being a snarl word.


How about the theory that they are not atheists but many are actually practing satanists? Just an idea? We are living in times of great decption.

[McDermit]

Didn't read.

[Dustancostine]

I personally find this idea of using religion for political purposes as one of the most repugnant things possible.


What do you think the whole purpose of religion is anyways. A way to control people.

[LibertyBelle]

What do you think the whole purpose of religion is anyways. A way to control people.

I guess that's why so many of the founders were Christians as well as some deists who were very much individuals? And actually, atheism is spread and indoctrinated into the minds of people in Communist countries, along with pantheism/monism. A way for the gov't to accomplish enslaving/controlling people. Take the time to study communism, the methods they use, and why they use them. The methods are being used here through media, entertainment, and through our now socialist public education system.

Just stating the facts folks.

[nexalacer]

I guess that's why so many of the founders were Christians as well as some deists who were very much individuals? And actually, atheism is spread and indoctrinated into the minds of people in Communist countries, along with pantheism/monism. A way for the gov't to accomplish enslaving/controlling people. Take the time to study communism, the methods they use, and why they use them. The methods are being used here through media, entertainment, and through our now socialist public education system.

Just stating the facts folks.

Again, more drivel comparing communists and atheists. Just because communists attacked religion does not mean all atheists are communist. This is a terrible leap in logic and you need to stop.

[LibertyBelle]

Again, more drivel comparing communists and atheists. Just because communists attacked religion does not mean all atheists are communist. This is a terrible leap in logic and you need to stop.

I never said they were!!! You are the one that took a terrible leap in logic! I was just stating FACTS about communism.

[winston84]

Neocons that happen to be Freemasons (which are many) are not atheists, they bow before quite a different god... A prime example is George Bush who believes that "there are different paths to heaven" keeping in line with Freemason beliefs not Christianity.

[Dustancostine]

And actually, atheism is spread and indoctrinated into the minds of people in Communist countries, along with pantheism/monism. A way for the gov't to accomplish enslaving/controlling people. Take the time to study communism, the methods they use, and why they use them. The methods are being used here through media, entertainment, and through our now socialist public education system.

Just stating the facts folks.

I think this further strengthens my statement. Communist are tyrants and want to fully control their populace. Religion is used to control people, i.e competition to the government. Therefore they ban religion. They do not use "atheism" to control people, they ban religion/god(s) as a way to ban competition in the mind control game.

Look through out history and you will always see religion as a way to control groups and the way people live. The problem that we are having with terrorist/extreme muslim fanatics is directly drawn from our policy in the middle east. We back the Saudi Royal Family so that we can get cheap oil. The Saudi Royal family stays in power through a deal with the Wahabbi's. Therefore the US has to fund both, and we get extreme muslims. Its a deal the Royal Family gets the oil, the wahabbi's get the people.

I would also like to make an unscientiic observation. Everytime a society has freedom of religion and is prosperous and peaceful, they begin to drift away from religion.

--Dustan

BTW: A socialist who claims to be aetheist still is religous and doesn't know it. They just worship the idea of the "whole" of society. They are not denouncing a god(s) but replacing god(s) with the society.

[ziggy_encaoua]

Some Neocons might be Athiests but not all athiests are Neocons

Worth remembering Ayn Rand was an atheist

[DJ RP]

Most Atheists are thinking people.

Ron paul's message is a message for thinking people.

I wouldn't be surprised if half the people on these boards are agnostic/atheist.

To me I love ron paul, but I don't believe our rights were given to us by a creator. I don't think we really have any 'rights' inherently (nature is a pretty cruel place) which is the reason we have to constantly fight for them and remain vigilant against the threat of human nature spawning dictators who will try to control us.

[Dustancostine]

Most Atheists are thinking people.

Ron paul's message is a message for thinking people.

I wouldn't be surprised if half the people on these boards are agnostic/atheist.

To me I love ron paul, but I don't believe our rights were given to us by a creator. I don't think we really have any 'rights' inherently (nature is a pretty cruel place) which is the reason we have to constantly fight for them and remain vigilant against the threat of human nature spawning dictators who will try to control us.

I am not going to speak for other people. But a poll has been posted about this many times and each time half have been either aetheist or agnostic.

[jb4ronpaul]

The philosophical foundations of conservatism are atheistic. Not all of them are atheists, but the values are. They believe in what is called the noble lie. That leaders have to lie to the masses to maintain order and achieve a greater good. They believe religion must be used this way even though they have no spiritual or religious values themselves.

I am not attacking atheists, I am just trying to wake up fellow Christians to the fact that we have been duped and lied to on purpose. When they vote for the right because they think they have the same values, it is a lie. They believe in creating a golden calf for the masses to worship, which of course ends up being them. You can read about Strauss, but I have also been intimately involved with the movement in the past and this is the core of the neocon philosophy.

Christians put neocons in office. I want thinking Christians to reject this philosophy as they rejected the left and join us.

[ziggy_encaoua]

Most Atheists are thinking people.

Ron paul's message is a message for thinking people.

I wouldn't be surprised if half the people on these boards are agnostic/atheist.


As an atheist I'd like to yhink atheists are thinking people

However as for atheist support for Ron Paul well I know there is some but generally the feedback I've had from atheists about Ron Paul ain't been great.

[derdy]

I'm an athiest and I support Ron Paul...