a big rant with 14 questions

[slothman]

1. People here seem to be obsessed with the birth certificate of Obama.
Even if he wasn't born on US land he was, AFAIK, born to a US citizen parent.
Except for preventing homesoil birth Congress could make all kinds of wacky laws allowing natural birthness.

2. Where is the information that hyper-inflation will occur?
What could make it as bad as Germany during the '20's?
Regular inflation is reasonable but I doubt it will be like 10,000% in the next few years.
If gold coins are only needed for this then it would seem better to spend them.
At least increase the economy - though that may not work as well.

3. I think using the terms money bomb and slave uprising won't help the cause.
The accuracy is irrelevant to the name.
Bombs sound bad and people don't think of themselves as slaves so they won't join.

4. The may be some truth to a NWO such as a more powerful UN but in general I doubt it will occur.
It sounds too much like a conspiracy theory.

5. I am wondering how the lack of prisons will work in libertarians(small l).
Suing is a possibility but what about the mass-murderer?
I doubt he as, or will make, enough money to pay off the victims.

6. Similar to the previous statement, how will courts work in a anarchy "government"?
Who gets to pick the number of jurors?
There are no laws to set it to 12 or require 51/100% to get a verdict.

7. Hows(I like that fake word) come there is a group of people who think that 9/11 was an inside job?
Or more accurately, why is that the truth and not other theories?

8. There seems to be an agreement that monopolies only exist because of "subsidies".
How is it known that ALL monopolies will disappear in anarchy.
What about big companies?
How big is a monopoly such that it won't survive but smaller ones will?

9. People with alternate economic ideas are refereed to as sheeple.
It's sounds like liberatartin is the one true "religion" and others are wrong.

10. A dictomonely exists making all gov'ts either pure anarchy or pure communist/fascist.
I think there can be levels.

11. Why are gov't schools indoctrinating but homeschools not.
I went to both public and private but didn't see much difference.
Both now and then.

12. Where did the term of Obama being a gov't messiah come from?
I never heard it.

13. It's funny that the forum is named "Sound money" as though it must be right.
It's especially confusing because different people her have different ideas of how money should work.

14. How come it is anarch-capitialism instead of just anarchy?
I think it is because anarchy is thought of as bad but by putting a "capitalism", which is good, makes it sound better.

[Kludge]

1. They're vocal, not numerous...


2. If hyper-inflation does occur, it will probably be because the loaning nations will no longer buy our debt (as the Chinese have been hinting at) and we'll thus need to print the money. There will probably also be an immediate shock to the value of the dollar if loaners stop loaning to us since the US economic future will become uncertain. 10,000% is an absurd figure. I don't know who gave you that, but most people consider 15% inflation and above as hyperinflation and it would indeed cause a lot of problems in the economy, but hey -- it'd help with the housing "crisis" :p


3. Slave Uprising is fairly silent anymore. It isn't a commonly-used term.

I haven't noticed anything to suggest the term "Money Bomb" is having any significant negative effect(s) on the movement of the bombs' success. What do you suggest we use?


4. Okay.


5. libertarians don't believe in prisons???? You're thinking of anarchists, I think, which are a small faction within a larger movement.


6. libertarian =/= anarchist. An anarchist is a libertine; a radical libertarian.


7. There are many long debates on that. Do a search yourself, if you want. I don't think it's worth the time, personally.


8. It isn't known. However, a monopoly can only exist if it controls all natural resources (with the exception of something like airwaves, this is very unlikely) or provides a good/service at either a lower price, higher quality, or a mix of the two better than their competitor(s).


9. I agree. I wish we would drop the label.


10. Yep, but you're confusing libertarians with anarchists again.


11. Again, I agree. It depends on the teachers and the curriculum. I'm afraid that too many parents aren't sending their kids to public schools because the teachers don't all have the same political/religious beliefs as the parent(s). This is very dangerous and will indoctrinate the kid they're trying to save from "indoctrination".


12. That's more of an observation of the media hype regarding Obama and the endless praise given to Obama regardless of what he says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI (there are many more videos like the one linked, but I'm too lazy to link them all. Maybe someone has compiled a list somewhere they'd link?)


13. Yes, it's like the PATRIOT Act. What do you want? Propaganda is everywhere, this movement included.


14. This board is not filled with anarcho-capitalists. Ron Paul was not an anarcho-capitalist. Many anarcho-capitalists I know aren't even anarchists. Some even believe that there ought to be courts which are entitled to forcibly bring in "criminals". I think for most anarcho-capitalists, though, it just serves to distinguish in their desire post-anarchy. Anarcho-Communists would want an anarchic state of government, but would like to join a commune-type society. In anarchy, there would be many different commune-ities. It's really just the splitting up of the United States until war breaks out between the commune-ities and the cycle starts all over.


For reference:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_011NTy4v2Cg/SDs_-gFkqdI/AAAAAAAAAGk/f91u-_2Ii_U/s400/nolan+chart.png

Only those at the very tip of the North libertarian sector are anarchists.

[Freedom 4 all]

1. Whatever. I don't particularly even care about this.
2. Do you know what a loaf of bread cost 100 years ago?
3. Meh, the names work for us
4. Just because something is a "conspiracy theory" doesn't mean it can't/won't happen. There is tons of evidence for NWO
5. I don't think anyone here would suggest not imprisoning mass murderers. However, we could drastically reduce the overcrowing in prisons by simply releasing all non violent offenders and having them work off their debt instead of rot away at our expense.
6. Minarchy/Liberatian is not Anarchist
7. There is a lot of suspicious stuff involved. It's hardly a slam dunk but it's worth considering.
8. We are not anarchists and monopolies can only exist in a free market if they provide the best product at the best price.
9. Judging by the current situation it looks like we ARE right.
10. I don't see this happening here
11. Government schools have propaganda built right in.
12. Turn on the TV. It doesn't even really matter which channel
13. see #9
14. The word anarchism has been corrupted by dumbass socialist that we need to distinguish from

[Bruno]

Big tent. Lots of opinions.

[Maverick]

1. People here seem to be obsessed with the birth certificate of Obama.
Even if he wasn't born on US land he was, AFAIK, born to a US citizen parent.
Except for preventing homesoil birth Congress could make all kinds of wacky laws allowing natural birthness.

We can continue to push for more information regarding Obama's birth certificate as a matter of principle, but as a practical matter, I don't think it will have any effect. The issue will eventually disappear, or he will be pushed into releasing his certificate, or he'll admit to faking it and it won't matter because his supporters and congress will just make up and excuse like "we needed to change that part anyway."



2. Where is the information that hyper-inflation will occur?
What could make it as bad as Germany during the '20's?
Regular inflation is reasonable but I doubt it will be like 10,000% in the next few years.
If gold coins are only needed for this then it would seem better to spend them.
At least increase the economy - though that may not work as well.

The Fed is constantly expanding the supply of credit right now. The supply of money is continually growing, with nothing of worth to back it with. It's simply paper; an IOU. It's akin to every American having our own printing presses and just rolling out tons of FRN's every day. You don't think that would cause inflation?



3. I think using the terms money bomb and slave uprising won't help the cause.
The accuracy is irrelevant to the name.
Bombs sound bad and people don't think of themselves as slaves so they won't join.

The "money bomb" term was a point of contention some time ago, but it's pretty much stuck as a common term around here, and I don't think it's going to go away any time soon. Besides, I think we did a fairly good job turning it towards more of a positive connotation anyway.

The slave uprising label isn't my favorite either, but, hey, if it works, then great.



4. The may be some truth to a NWO such as a more powerful UN but in general I doubt it will occur.
It sounds too much like a conspiracy theory.


I can never keep track of what is considered "official" NWO globalist one-world government conspiracy action and what is not according to the CTs, anyway. However, I do think the possibility of a strengthened UN is not too far-fetched. I know I've heard countless times from some talking head about how "UN sanctions need to be given teeth" for instance.



8. There seems to be an agreement that monopolies only exist because of "subsidies".
How is it known that ALL monopolies will disappear in anarchy.
What about big companies?
How big is a monopoly such that it won't survive but smaller ones will?


If it weren't for corporate welfare, price controls, wage controls, and other regulations the only way a monopoly could be formed is if said monopoly was providing the absolute best product/service at the absolute best price. And if that's the case, how is that a problem?

Assuming we're talking about an existing monopoly though, and somehow the whole government regulatory apparatus was to disappear overnight, it might still very well take some time before a foothold could be established to compete with that monopoly. Eventually though, competition would indeed re-assert itself.



9. People with alternate economic ideas are refereed to as sheeple.
It's sounds like liberatartin is the one true "religion" and others are wrong.


Well, yeah.



11. Why are gov't schools indoctrinating but homeschools not.
I went to both public and private but didn't see much difference.
Both now and then.


Nobody said private schools or homeschooling weren't indoctrinating. It's just that they'd be less likely to teach the State indoctrination.



12. Where did the term of Obama being a gov't messiah come from?
I never heard it.


It's an assesment of the behavior of some of his followers and some of the media elevating him to an almost Christ-like status. Although specific terms like "The One" or "Obama the Messiah" have mainly only been tossed around by right-wing or neo-con pundits, the terms "rock star" or "rock-star status" have been used countless times across the whole spectrum, helping to build on his hype and elevating him still to some sort of revered position.



13. It's funny that the forum is named "Sound money" as though it must be right.
It's especially confusing because different people her have different ideas of how money should work.


There's differing views, sure, and that's great as far as I'm concerned. Just don't be a Keynesian.



14. How come it is anarch-capitialism instead of just anarchy?
I think it is because anarchy is thought of as bad but by putting a "capitalism", which is good, makes it sound better.

Anarcho-capitalist is used to disinguish from anarcho-socialists.