Glenn Beck finished as a pundit ?

[Liberty Star]

Or will remain around as one of the sleaziest media pimps around?

Video:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/24/beck-slavery/

[Liberty Star]

Why this post had over 100 views, I'm wondering LOL


Update 1:



YouTube - Glenn Beck Iraq, The Real Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkcjwh1oZdE)

YouTube - Glenn Beck on the Iraq Situation and US Responsibility (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgIBSbQR1Ok)

YouTube - Beck: Iraq "was always about getting to Iran" & WMD's bonus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbBbGVF6Q8)

[sevin]

lol

[MRoCkEd]

That's two years old. He hasn't talked about the Iraq war in a while. And as long as he's not talking about foreign policy, he's very pleasant to listen to.

[Monolithic]

i cannot stand glenn beck, he's even worse than hannity when it comes to being a smug douchebag, seriously, most punchable face in the world

oh and he's a convert to mormonism, a convert, to mormonism

[Liberty Star]

That's two years old. He hasn't talked about the Iraq war in a while. And as long as he's not talking about foreign policy, he's very pleasant to listen to.

I have no idea what his views on beanie babies or foux news' news coverage are, so not qualified to comment on pleasant aspects if any.

But has he changed his view on Iraq and other key issues?

Or does he not talk about his own recent views on key issues that make him look like an idiot for hire on assignemnt to lie for big media?

His Iraq war cheerleading may be "old views" but we are still in Iraq and paying for it. So issue itself is current.

[Pauls' Revere]

that's two years old. He hasn't talked about the iraq war in a while. And as long as he's not talking about foreign policy, he's very pleasant to listen to.

lol
:)

[Time for Change]

Glenn is in the process of being silenced...
just look at his 5pm time slot...
not really conducive to influencing mainstream viewers, now is it.

[axiomata]

Glenn is in the process of being silenced...
just look at his 5pm time slot...
not really conducive to influencing mainstream viewers, now is it.
He went from Headline News to FOX News. By all counts that is a promotional in the cable pundit biz. Now if he starts pulling numbers better than O'Reily and instead of getting a better time slot gets canned then your contention that he is being silenced may have merit.

[devil21]

2007?

[tangent4ronpaul]

He's on the way up. His numbers are good, he recently got a big screen, he's regularly a guest on other FOX shows and they are starting to show re-runs of his show at night and on weekends.

-t

[angelatc]

"thinkprogress.org?"

[Liberty Star]

"thinkprogress.org?"


Yea, pretty amzing they saved tapes of his rants going as back as 2007.

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[Liberty Star]

I don't think Ive ever seen a grudge held longer than it has been against Glenn Beck on these forums. No, he's not perfect, far from it even (but so are all of us), his views are contrary to my own sometimes, and some of the things he says and does make me cringe. But why does this forum consistently seek to undermine him and bring him down? He may not be the best bridge, he's rickety and occasionally likes to catch fire but he's one of the only damn bridges we have. How about instead of cutting down one of the few people who at least occasionally expresses our views, we go after those who NEVER express our views. It isn't as though we don't have a vast selection to choose from there. Don't feel you have to forgive and forget, but if you had only one bullet to shoot, is Beck really the first in line?


Well 'forgive n forget' should start with Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld then, Glenn was just a small paid puppet and opportunist in the plot to fool the masses in big scheme of things.

But why would anyone care for someone yelling on TV with political insight of a brick? He is one of the loudest pawns of mass media that was complicit in getting us where we are. What is the point in having political views and convictions if we are not going to hold the crooks accountable?

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[Liberty Star]

Maybe I should be more clear, perhaps an analogy? Lets say you have the two most evil people in the world in front of you (they kick puppies etc.) and you get the chance to kill one of them. This forum, but constantly railing on Beck, is essentially choosing to shoot the lesser of the two evils. What I'm trying to say is, we have something powerful here: an intelligent, (slightly) organized, dedicated grassroots organization, and we're wasting it by thinking Beck is worth our time. Isn't it possible we could devote some of that contempt somewhere more productive?

Ok, good point on focus and priorities.

[AuH20]

I don't think Ive ever seen a grudge held longer than it has been against Glenn Beck on these forums. No, he's not perfect, far from it even (but so are all of us), his views are contrary to my own sometimes, and some of the things he says and does make me cringe. But why does this forum consistently seek to undermine him and bring him down? He may not be the best bridge, he's rickety and occasionally likes to catch fire but he's one of the only damn bridges we have. How about instead of cutting down one of the few people who at least occasionally expresses our views, we go after those who NEVER express our views. It isn't as though we don't have a vast selection to choose from there. Don't feel you have to forgive and forget, but if you had only one bullet to shoot, is Beck really the first in line?

Agreed. Its paranoia. Beck isn't running for office. And we can disagree with him and think for ourselves. The "demolish Glenn Beck" campaign is equivalent to trying to pop up a zit on your forehead with a large mallet.

[Chieftain1776]

That's two years old. He hasn't talked about the Iraq war in a while. And as long as he's not talking about foreign policy, he's very pleasant to listen to.

I was actually thinking about making a thread about Beck and his rabid foreign policy. About the pirates he literally wants to "Send in the Marines" and equates the pirates with terrorists in their threat to America. Glad I waited because here's (http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=4263722&referralPlaylistId=7d5c39e633ccf8113bd2cce634b1447 d3376587d) the video

His position is bullshit. If the same crime happened in the US they would be arrested for armed robbery and do jail time like any bank robber. And when are we supposed to protect big oil and merchant ships on taxpayer dime when they go abroad? Talk about business/government collusion ie fascism.

As for equating it with terrorism...the terrorists that the government should be interested in are the ones that are strapping bombs to themselves or flying planes into US buildings because of political grievances. These aren't shakedown artists in it for a quick buck.

This reminds me of a quote (http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm) from Smedley Butler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler) and his book War is a Racket (http://www.warisaracket.com/) :

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

He spent like 20 minutes ranting on pirates yesterday. I'm sorry guys but I doubt Glenn Beck is "one of us". He may hold some of our views domestically (even faithfully) but like other "conservatives" and "libertarians" he's more interested and inclined to expanding the warfare state anytime he sees the opportunity. To this all of the domestic issues will ALWAYS takes a back seat. Rupert Murdoch, owner of the neoconservative flagship magazine "Weekly Standard", and "libertarian" wouldn't have it any other way.

And Beck's an entertainer... I just hope he continues to bring on libertarian guests. After that stops so will my viewing and I suspect many others. And not only those on this board...

[nbruno322]

Obviously we should take everything Glenn says with large grain of salt. The man is far from perfect. But, we would be fools not to at the very least leverage him to gain more people to the Constitution. Dealing with Beck should not have to be treated as if it is a black or white matter.

[LibertyEagle]

Agreed. Its paranoia. Beck isn't running for office. And we can disagree with him and think for ourselves. The "demolish Glenn Beck" campaign is equivalent to trying to pop up a zit on your forehead with a large mallet.

Quite an analogy there. :p:) Effectively gets your point across.

[Bill M DC]

Shipping companies should hire their own private security... Say Blackwater. Then they could hunt and kill pirates in stead of innocent Iraqis.

[tonesforjonesbones]

well the pirates are terrorists...dimwit obama should send a letter of marque and reprisal like Jefferson did to the Barbary Pirates and then send in mercinaries to take them out...like Jefferson did and leave the military out of it. tones

GO GLENN BECK..he's a magnet for chicks. ha , its true. for some reason womens love the guy...i think it's because he's in touch with his sensative side. His ratings are soaring and he actually has the most creative news opinion shows out there. tones again (ya'll don't be jealous of Glenn Beck now)

[reduen]

I guess the million or so that have already been killed does not matter....:confused:

[tonesforjonesbones]

Of course it matters...but we can't change it..we can only continue to fight the nonsense..now, I did hear Beck say recently that he was becoming non interventionist. He said we can't reverse things all at once... we have to wean ourselves off of what has been cultivated for 100 years...and he's right. He said that was his only beef with Ron Paul..but he does agree with Ron Paul...we just have to spoon feed the masses until they get it and it won't happen over night. I consider that a very reasonable outlook...but he is growing the movement..and he deserves kudo's for that. tones

[pcosmar]

GO GLENN BECK..he's a magnet for chicks. ha , its true. for some reason womens love the guy...i think it's because he's in touch with his sensative side. His ratings are soaring and he actually has the most creative news opinion shows out there. tones again (ya'll don't be jealous of Glenn Beck now)

Hermann would be so proud.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Goering1932.jpg/225px-Goering1932.jpg


“Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemy”
Hermann Göring

[Liberty Star]

GO GLENN BECK..he's a magnet for chicks. ha , its true. for some reason womens love the guy...i think it's because he's in touch with his sensative side. His ratings are soaring and he actually has the most creative news opinion shows out there. tones again (ya'll don't be jealous of Glenn Beck now)

To be fair, love our enlightened women and chicks had for Clinton or Bush was astronomically higher. Their ratings were also much higher.

[Liberty Star]

Shipping companies should hire their own private security... Say Blackwater. Then they could hunt and kill pirates in stead of innocent Iraqis.

What a good idea, why not put BW to good use at the seas.

[Liberty Star]

Speaking of BW:

http://www.post-trib.com/news/opinion/1716886,col-wolf-0817.article

[dr. hfn]

Maybe Judge Napolitano will replace Glenn with his own show!!!

[FreeTraveler]

If I had a dime for every non-lib who told me "all libertarians are nuts; look at Glenn Beck for example," I'd be rich.

[Liberty Star]

Beck is a libertarian??? Since when.

I had heard him being called a media pimp, crazy, neocon, racist, screamer and host of other names but no one had ever accused him of being a libertarian I thought.

[Bucjason]

Beck is a libertarian??? Since when.

I had heard him being called a media pimp, crazy, neocon, racist, screamer and host of other names but no one had ever accused him of being a libertarian I thought.

If Liberals are calling you names , it usually means you are being effective.

I'm not a huge fan of his because I think he's overly dramatic, but he seems to have shifted to the Ron Paul Libertarian wing of the party. You can claim it's phony , and that may be true , but so long as he is speaking truth to millions on TV , I'm not going to complain about it.

[Flash]

The fact that the Radical Left is ONLY attacking Glenn Beck right now means he is having an impact. I don't see them going after O'reilly, Hannity, or Lou Dobbs this hard.


if Liberals are calling you names , it usually means you are being effective.

[cindy25]

I think its real, and the antics help to educate the sheeples

[Flash]

And I give credit to Bill O'reilly promoting Glenn Beck daily on his show. That was nice of him.

[SimpleName]

I was thinking this was going to be another thread about Beck's advertisers. That is the real "finish" of Beck as a pundit. When these big league scum corporations start pulling advertising, Faux News may have to oust Beck. I doubt that'll be anytime soon, but you never know

[Liberty Star]

If Liberals are calling you names , it usually means you are being effective.

I'm not a huge fan of his because I think he's overly dramatic, but he seems to have shifted to the Ron Paul Libertarian wing of the party. You can claim it's phony , and that may be true , but so long as he is speaking truth to millions on TV , I'm not going to complain about it.


I don't fully understand meaning of word "liberal" , I thought America's founding fathers were quite liberal and freedom minded, we should all strive to be like them. But seriously just some liberal or crook corporation attacking a neocon is not going tyo make a neocon any less damaging commodity for America. Labels don't mean much without ideas that a person or people can claim.




I was thinking this was going to be another thread about Beck's advertisers. That is the real "finish" of Beck as a pundit. When these big league scum corporations start pulling advertising, Faux News may have to oust Beck. I doubt that'll be anytime soon, but you never know

If Beck, and hopefully Faux news with him, get out of made-up-news biz because of their lovers quarrel with corupt corps and MSNBC/CNN get out of made-up-news biz because no one watches them, it will be win win for the masses and should create room for some honest news reporting finally.

God's Operation Iraqi Civilian Freedom program seems to have taken a strange and mysterious turn. First all pro Iraqi freedom evagelicals cut off from the White House and now pro Iraqi freedom media is getting ready for interesting divine rewards.

[Flash]

I was thinking this was going to be another thread about Beck's advertisers. That is the real "finish" of Beck as a pundit. When these big league scum corporations start pulling advertising, Faux News may have to oust Beck. I doubt that'll be anytime soon, but you never know

This is why it's important to defend Beck.
http://defendglenn.com/advertisers.php#

Only 14 has pulled so far, the Socialist blogs are reporting 20 since they are including companies that never advertised with Beck in the first place, for some reason. :rolleyes:

[misterx]

That's two years old. He hasn't talked about the Iraq war in a while. And as long as he's not talking about foreign policy, he's very pleasant to listen to.

Maybe because he's starting to figure out that he was misled.

[Liberty Star]

This is why it's important to defend Beck.

Only 14 has pulled so far, the Socialist blogs are reporting 20 since they are including companies that never advertised with Beck in the first place, for some reason. :rolleyes:

Why would there ever be a reason to defend a neocon who has not changed his views or apologized for cheerleading one of the biggest national debts in US history?

[jmdrake]

I don't think Ive ever seen a grudge held longer than it has been against Glenn Beck on these forums. No, he's not perfect, far from it even (but so are all of us), his views are contrary to my own sometimes, and some of the things he says and does make me cringe. But why does this forum consistently seek to undermine him and bring him down? He may not be the best bridge, he's rickety and occasionally likes to catch fire but he's one of the only damn bridges we have. How about instead of cutting down one of the few people who at least occasionally expresses our views, we go after those who NEVER express our views. It isn't as though we don't have a vast selection to choose from there. Don't feel you have to forgive and forget, but if you had only one bullet to shoot, is Beck really the first in line?

1) It's hard to get over someone calling us a "domestic enemy of the constitution"

2) Some people on this forum keep bringing Glenn Beck up as some kind of hero. (By contrast Rush Limbaugh is almost never praised so people never feel the need to attack him.)

3) Some of the same people who want everyone to worship Beck constantly snipe at other allies who have been more consistent in their positive views toward us but happen to be on the left.

[Liberty Star]

I think some libertarians are being fooled by opportunists like Beck, O Really, Olberman etc, they are very slick talkers. We should let neocons/Republicans and Obama camps make a fool of each other and keep message of liberty from becoming tainted by letting proven liars and opportunists adopting it without genune change in beliefs.

[angelatc]

That's two years old. He hasn't talked about the Iraq war in a while. And as long as he's not talking about foreign policy, he's very pleasant to listen to.

I don't watch or listen to him. but in another thread somebody mentioned that Beck said he's been rethinking his stance on foreign policy.

Wouldn't it be nice if he was a plant for our side? Hook the neocons then reel them in slowly?

[Flash]

I don't watch or listen to him. but in another thread somebody mentioned that Beck said he's been rethinking his stance on foreign policy.

Wouldn't it be nice if he was a plant for our side? Hook the neocons then reel them in slowly?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=206120&page=3

Join the effort to keep Glenn Beck on air.

[Stary Hickory]

Beck has the right idea, his heart is int he right place, and he is open minded. He researched the FED bit and is totally onboard. He is capable of changing his mind and learning, and he seems to not be above all of that.

The man is sincere he bears his soul on TV, and he really cares about this country and freedom and liberty. He is anti-establishement and he is an effective speaker and host. He really has become an asset to Libertarians. Yea his views ont he war have been off, hes till does not realize what role war plays in the growth of state.

If he could change or severely soften this one point, he would be A ok in my book. If anyone here got up on TV and talked we would find things we don't agree with you on. I like Beck, I don't sign off on everything he says as true, but he is a friend to liberty.

Libertarians have to start looking for allies and not try to cast out those who don't meet the criteria 100% Stay true to your principles but try and keep things in perspective. Beck has been instrumental in stopping and countering a lot of WH propaganda....and that is why people are going after him so hard. I think we would lose out if Beck was no longer on the air.

[Matthew Zak]

A lot of people in this 'movement' show little patience by expecting overnight compliance with the vision of the future that we have. The sad truth is that change of this magnitude must soak it's way through decades of propaganda, like water trickling through a sponge, before it will eventually show. We are shooting ourselves in the foot by punishing those who are representing 75% of our views, while ignoring those who share 5% of our views. We need to be bringing anyone who shares most of our views to the forefront, and pushing the rest back. We need to change the culture and the language from the inside out. Then we'll have a soaked sponge, primed to erase the bullshit from the political and sociological blackboard.

[devil21]

I think some libertarians are being fooled by opportunists like Beck, O Really, Olberman etc, they are very slick talkers. We should let neocons/Republicans and Obama camps make a fool of each other and keep message of liberty from becoming tainted by letting proven liars and opportunists adopting it without genune change in beliefs.

Im with you there. I really wonder what will happen come 2011 when Fox starts plugging the next RINO (Mitt? Huck? Newt?) candidates that are only "acting" conservative and Beck is touting those people. Will those that are falling for Beck's transformation today follow Beck like the Pied Piper straight to the polls to vote for the "new and improved conservative Romney"? Only time will tell but let's get one thing straight. The people that sign Beck's paycheck sure as hell aren't libertarians, Fed critics, and Paul supporters all of a sudden. Keep your head on straight and don't let the media get inside of it.

[Bucjason]

I don't fully understand meaning of word "liberal" , I thought America's founding fathers were quite liberal and freedom minded, we should all strive to be like them.








No , the founding fathers were quite LIBERTARIAN. They would look down on today's modern day liberal with disqust. There is nothing freedom-minded about a huge nanny-state and oppressive taxation. Might as well have stayed under the thumb of King George...

[kahless]

A lot of people in this 'movement' show little patience by expecting overnight compliance with the vision of the future that we have. The sad truth is that change of this magnitude must soak it's way through decades of propaganda, like water trickling through a sponge, before it will eventually show. We are shooting ourselves in the foot by punishing those who are representing 75% of our views, while ignoring those who share 5% of our views. We need to be bringing anyone who shares most of our views to the forefront, and pushing the rest back. We need to change the culture and the language from the inside out. Then we'll have a soaked sponge, primed to erase the bullshit from the political and sociological blackboard.

+1

Last Friday Beck beat O'Rielly and Hannity in the ratings. If they move him to 7pm he may end up having the #1 rated show on FNC. If he represents 75% of our views it would be foolish and defeatest to disregard him as an ally.

[Liberty Star]

I don't understand, how can a proven neocon be 76% or 77% "Libertarian"?

Won't a neocon be 100% anti-Libertarian?

[acptulsa]

Glenn Beck is absolutely, positively the most trustworthy person receiving massive checks signed by Rupert Murdoch. For what that's worth.

'Well, I don't know if I trust Glenn Beck myself, but what you learned from him and are telling me now I do agree with, and I'm glad he helped you understand that concept...'

[Matthew Zak]

I don't understand, how can a proven neocon be 76% or 77% "Libertarian"?

Won't a neocon be 100% anti-Libertarian?

You're missing the point. We needs Glen Beck's rhetoric, so that the public will develop the cognitive enzymes to digest our message.

[Liberty Star]

You're missing the point. We needs Glen Beck's rhetoric, so that the public will develop the cognitive enzymes to digest our message.

Won't public get serious indigestion when they hear someone who had advocated Iraq war, Iran war, patriot act, biggest national sepnding suddenly talk about fiscal responsibility?

It does not seem logical unless we're trying to reach out to neocon groups.

[Epic]

glenn beck = good for reaching out to mainstream republicans
= bad for tying some libertarian principles to other non-libertarian republican policies and for coming off crazy and insensitive to leftists.

[legion]

Glenn was a quirky and undefined quasiconservative broadcaster that has finally found an untapped niche in the mass media market.

These broadcaster guys really don't believe what they are saying, its merely a paycheck for them and pressing the right buttons with their audience brings in more cash. They seek out mild controversy to bring in the ratings.

The platform Glenn Beck offers, though, is very valuable. He would best be described as a symbiotic parasite on the movement.

[Liberty Star]

glenn beck = good for reaching out to mainstream republicans
= bad for tying some libertarian principles to other non-libertarian republican policies and for coming off crazy and insensitive to leftists.

I thought Glenn Beck was a democrat?
Or a liberal turned con like most neocons.



Glenn was a quirky and undefined quasiconservative broadcaster that has finally found an untapped niche in the mass media market.

These broadcaster guys really don't believe what they are saying, its merely a paycheck for them and pressing the right buttons with their audience brings in more cash. They seek out mild controversy to bring in the ratings.

The platform Glenn Beck offers, though, is very valuable. He would best be described as a symbiotic parasite on the movement.


I think you hit nail on the head with highlighted part, and in this case he forgot where to stop the controversy push in his greed for ratings probably.

I don't know about the last part though but some others also seem to think that's the case. He has record of preaching very poisonous ideas or lies, he's damaged good imo.

[legion]

I don't know about the last part though but some others also seem to think that's the case. He has record of preaching very poisonous ideas or lies, he's damaged good imo.

That's a little bit like my opinion of Alex Jones. He's a broadcaster that really believes in libertarianism. I believe that after a lot of meditation he decided that the best way to spread it was through sensationalism and through suggestion of conspiracy, and in a way I agree with him. History is definately on his side.

I don't really think that Alex Jones beleives his conspiracies, rather he believes them as a means to an end.

Beck has an audience of 2.5 million. He is very useful.

[Liberty Star]

That's a little bit like my opinion of Alex Jones. He's a broadcaster that really believes in libertarianism. I believe that after a lot of meditation he decided that the best way to spread it was through sensationalism and through suggestion of conspiracy, and in a way I agree with him. History is definately on his side.

I don't really think that Alex Jones beleives his conspiracies, rather he believes them as a means to an end.

Beck has an audience of 2.5 million. He is very useful.

I know AJ's tedency for sensationalism, but I don't know if he boasts blatant contradictions like Beck does.
There are 300 Million people in America, I'll have to disagree on the power for change for a pop commerical program like his. The man supports spending a trillion dollar on Iraqi reconstruction freedom but opposes speinding a trillion on health freedom for American minorities and some uninsured folks in America, I doubt he's ever had a guest who would make him explain his weird neoconish philosophy.

[Liberty Star]

Perhaps vilification of this neocons prostitute needs to be taken its logical destination.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2288174#post2288174

[American Idol]

Wow. Beck sounds like a nutcase who is losing his mind. No wonder much of the country knows he is bipolar. In five years, no one will know who Glenn Beck is.

[V-rod]

I always found Beck boring and annoying.

If I want to listen to an over-emotional commentator, I'll listen to Michael Savage.

[Liberty_Tree]

Glenn Beck is a trojan horse.

[Liberty Star]

And a media prostitute.

Things some people do to put food on their children.

[.Tom]

Anyone who supports spending trillions of dollars murdering innocent people around the globe and then has the audacity to say that spending this money on health care here at home is "socialist" and "evil" is the grand daddy of all hypocrites.

By the way, as a libertarian I'm obviously against both the warfare and the welfare. I'm just pointing out his inconsistency and outright insanity.

[Liberty Star]

Yep, he was called a "demagogue" by Ron Paul and rightly so.

[erowe1]

That's two years old. He hasn't talked about the Iraq war in a while. And as long as he's not talking about foreign policy, he's very pleasant to listen to.

Pleasant to listen to? Of all the compliments I could imagine someone paying Beck, pleasant to listen to doesn't make the list.

I can understand people seeing him as a potential ally. And if he endorses a candidate I support, I won't be ashamed to milk that for all it's worth with people who like him. But even if he were right on every issue, I can't fathom how anyone would think all those stupid voices of his are anything remotely close to pleasant.