PART TIME Employees LEGALLY getting unemployment while working?

[jenuine835]

I am new on here, I had to start finding some outlets to vent because I cannot take it anymore!

We have our own businesses, work our butts off , long days, yet we feel like such suckers!

This girl works for us, has been working part time since July, 20 hours a week. She started whining "ughhh i dont feel like working tomorrow, ughh im so tired' all the time as it got closer to her 6 month point.

We got a letter last friday that she filed for unemployment back in JANUARY even though she was still working!! and she just won! and is making 295 bucks a week, MORE than she ever made working part time!!!

we're furious. This seems to happen constantly, no matter how much we fight it. You can now just decide you want to watch soap operas all day, and you still receive unemployment.

She was still working when she filed and filed just to see if she could get it. she was still working as of the day we got the letter! And we fought it, told the UE office she was still on the books, we even had copies of the paycheck we were about to issue her, and yet she still got it.

We are absolutely furious.

[kathy88]

Did you bring an attorney to the hearing with the State? You should be allowed an appeal.

[JP2010]

If you're cut back from 40 hours I do believe that you can get unemployment for the 20 that you were cut.

[polomertz]

I know that in Illinois, you can make up to 1/2 your benefit amount per week without it affecting your unemployment compensation. If you make more than 1/2 your unemployment compensation, there is a formula that calculates what your compensation is.

You definitely don't have to be "unemployed" to collect unemployment.

[jenuine835]

She was only working 20 hours a week from day one. we ASKED HER 3 times to go full time, we told her we'd pay her health benefits and everything. She said she didnt feel like working full time.

She said she only wanted a part time job.

How on earth can people just make unemployment while being employed? why would anyone work? we are now being charged too, our rates go up when this happens.

[jenuine835]

We are a small business, it is not worth hiring an attorney, but this just seems ridiculous, we have copies of her checks from day one, she only asked for a part time job. Our appeals are in writing.

[phill4paul]

I am new on here, I had to start finding some outlets to vent because I cannot take it anymore!

We have our own businesses, work our butts off , long days, yet we feel like such suckers!

This girl works for us, has been working part time since July, 20 hours a week. She started whining "ughhh i dont feel like working tomorrow, ughh im so tired' all the time as it got closer to her 6 month point.

We got a letter last friday that she filed for unemployment back in JANUARY even though she was still working!! and she just won! and is making 295 bucks a week, MORE than she ever made working part time!!!

we're furious. This seems to happen constantly, no matter how much we fight it. You can now just decide you want to watch soap operas all day, and you still receive unemployment.

She was still working when she filed and filed just to see if she could get it. she was still working as of the day we got the letter! And we fought it, told the UE office she was still on the books, we even had copies of the paycheck we were about to issue her, and yet she still got it.

We are absolutely furious.

Welcome! Take a deep breathe and understand that most here feel your frustration.

Someone I knew and once respected lost a nursing job because of alcohol abuse. Quit showing up to work etc. Got fired. Filed and was making $589.00/wk. Complained to me because she couldn't live in the lifestyle she once had making $90,000 a year.

Yeah, I know where your coming from.

I told her to go get a job at McDonalds, see how far that got her.

[mczerone]

I never understood who was supposed to benefit from unemployment.

Option 1: it is there to fund those who needed to quit their job while they look for another position. If this is the case, then why are we funding people who voluntarily left a position?

Option 2: it is there to fund those who were unexpectedly let go from employment while they look for another position. If this is the case, aren't we just funding the people that were poor employees and couldn't keep their jobs?

Option 3: it is there to fund those who were affected by "downsizing" who lost the job due to the employer's position, not the employee's. If this is the case, aren't we subsidizing the losing businesses, who wouldn't be able to so easily shed employees without the state's safety net giving the employees an assurance before signing a contract that they will have some support? W/o this support, wouldn't employees be more adamant about contracting for the employer to either provide some type of notice or compensation?

Are there any other justifications that I'm missing here, besides that the State consciously wants a throng of people dependent upon it while they "look" for jobs, thus both gaining the moral support of the supported, but also gaining the support of a large segment of the population that see these "unemployment benefits" as an indispensable societal good.

[jenuine835]

Thanks so much for all the replies. I don't know why, but I have not been this mad in a long time. We work so hard to help our business grow, and continuously people do this and win.

I cannot believe your story phill4paul - doesn't that make you so mad? The government keeps inducing this moral hazard too. They give these people the incentive to keep doing this.

[jenuine835]

mczerone

wow, i could not have said that better. You are incredibly smart and nailed it. You absolutely nailed it.

[phill4paul]

She was only working 20 hours a week from day one. we ASKED HER 3 times to go full time, we told her we'd pay her health benefits and everything. She said she didnt feel like working full time.

She said she only wanted a part time job.

How on earth can people just make unemployment while being employed? why would anyone work? we are now being charged too, our rates go up when this happens.

Seems like she understood the system only too well. Since it seems you were willing to hire her full time then the next employee should be hired as a full timer.

A lot of this has to do with your state and their unemployment system.

I understand exactly where you are coming from. Sometimes it costs you more than the trouble is worth. North Carolina doesn't seem to side with employers in this respect. Even when there is grounds to fire.

[jenuine835]

Actually, my mom said its a new Obama federal law. you can now quit your job (the thing is, she never even quit, she was still working, just whined a lot and called out a lot).

but she said its a federal law now.

We actually dont want to hire any full timers who wont last .. we dont want to pay someone's health insurance if they are just going to scam us too. we dont trust anyone anymore who walks in the door.

[constituent]

the banking and insurance rackets are raiding the treasury to the tune of (tr)illions of dollars, and you're pissed off that some chick is gettin' one over on the government?

refuse to pay into the unemployment system, grow a spine and buck back at the system instead of wasting your time publicly ripping down your own workforce.

(i get the feeling your whole message is contrived and you're here playing a part, hence the nom de plume "jenuine")

[jenuine835]

constituent,

Jenuine is my screen name for a lot of things - what are you talking about??? You obviously do not own a business of course!

what is your problem?

This is exactly how things like these bailouts pass, because of people like you, who become complacent with the little things, are you that ignorant??

You are probably one of these

Is that the standard now? are you one of those people who say "why are you complaining about a beating, did you know that some women's husbands kill them?"

[constituent]

constituent,

Jenuine is my screen name for a lot of things - what are you talking about??? You obviously do not own a business of course!

what is your problem?

This is exactly how things like these bailouts pass, because of people like you, who become complacent with the little things, are you that ignorant??

You are probably one of these

Is that the standard now? are you one of those people who say "why are you complaining about a beating, did you know that some women's husbands kill them?"

rofl, keep grasping for those straws "jenuine."

clearly i'm one of those "complacent" folks, lol.

i'm just chuckling that this little thing got you all riled up, and your reaction was "Why I just have to sign up for RonPaulForums.com right away, and tell them all about it!"

right.

i'll avoid filleting you with your buzzwords for the moment, i'm feeling nice.

[jenuine835]

what on earth is your problem? LOL!! Yes, i wanted to google some forums so that i could find like minded people to talk to. What is your problem? why are you on here either? little thing to you, i bet you sit on your butt all day too. why dont you try getting up off your butt and opening your own business.

oooh now by looking at all of your posts, I can see the posts that you make are about MUCH more pressing issues LOL!!

you obviously need to go eat or something. your poor wife.

What a hypocrite!

[constituent]

what on earth is your problem? LOL!! Yes, i wanted to google some forums so that i could find like minded people to talk to.

You sound like a commercial.



What is your problem? why are you on here either?

Primarily your class-warfare propaganda. Why I am here, to counter it.




little thing to you, i bet you sit on your butt all day too.

I'd take that bet.




why dont you try getting up off your butt and opening your own business.


Uhhh, I am my own business. Try again.



oooh now by looking at all of your posts, I can see the posts that you make are about MUCH more pressing issues LOL!!

Which ones?



you obviously need to go eat or something.


Only a restaurant owner...



your poor wife.

Your poor husband, my wife doesn't mind one bit.




What a hypocrite!

How so?

[Kraig]

rofl, keep grasping for those straws "jenuine."

clearly i'm one of those "complacent" folks, lol.

i'm just chuckling that this little thing got you all riled up, and your reaction was "Why I just have to sign up for RonPaulForums.com right away, and tell them all about it!"

right.

i'll avoid filleting you with your buzzwords for the moment, i'm feeling nice.

Seriously wtf is your problem? Nice way to welcome new members... :rolleyes: Complaining about bullshit unemployment issues is "class warfare propaganda"???? LOL

[constituent]

i'll repeat my advice


refuse to pay into the unemployment system, grow a spine and buck back at the system instead of wasting your time publicly ripping down your own workforce.


still paying?

[jenuine835]

my name is Jen. what is your problem?

[constituent]

Seriously wtf is your problem? Nice way to welcome new members... :rolleyes:

keep sleeping kraig.

[jenuine835]

Is this really how this board is? I was so happy to read that there was a forum that had ron paul supporters because I voted for Ron paul, but i didnt realize that this was a forum that didn't want anyone to speak unless it was a topic that constituent wanted to discuss.

Thanks for the backup Kraig!

[Kraig]

keep sleeping kraig.

I'm wide awake.

[constituent]

I'm wide awake.

rofl... such a knight in shining armor.

[constituent]

Is this really how this board is? I was so happy to read that there was a forum that had ron paul supporters because I voted for Ron paul, but i didnt realize that this was a forum that didn't want anyone to speak unless it was a topic that constituent wanted to discuss.


you've now officially hit all your lines, congrats!

keep it up and there might even be a cookie in it for you!

[jenuine835]

Constituent
Again, obviously you never had a business so you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Go eat a big mac or something. you seem hungry

[jenuine835]

Does anyone know what constituent is TALKING ABOUT?

[constituent]

Constituent
Again, obviously you never had a business so you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Again, obviously, you're talking out of your ...

[Kraig]

rofl... such a knight in shining armor.

hahaha the 'rofl' wasn't enough so you had to add the shining armor bit? Have you considered a career in comedic radio??

[constituent]

Go eat a big mac or something. you seem hungry

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

[constituent]

hahaha the 'rofl' wasn't enough so you had to add the shining armor bit? Have you considered a career in comedic radio??

see facepalm (above)

[constituent]

welp... off to "sit on my butt all day"

been fun playin' kiddies.

[jenuine835]

Now i get it! You are one of the liberal guys ON unemployment or disability who sits in his mommy's basement and blogs on forums - go tell mommy upstairs that you need a sandwich.

[jenuine835]

hahaha the 'rofl' wasn't enough so you had to add the shining armor bit? Have you considered a career in comedic radio??

hahahah good one Kraig!!!

[jenuine835]

Ok, i found a topic started by Constituent that is DEFINITELY more pressing, how dare i ask a question about unemployment fraud when there are more important issues like this one posted by Constituent:

constituent

Post: A question about honey

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It seems to me like all of the wild honey (hives in trees) that i get around here is dark, and all of the honey from the boxes is lighter. What's the deal?

Is it like that everywhere?

What's the difference in the chemical spectrum?
-Constituent

[jenuine835]

THAT post you posted about honey is definitely definitely more important!!!

[Bruno]

Welcome to the RP forums, where everyone can choose to make friends (or not)

[Brian4Liberty]

Unemployment insurance is like all insurance: a ponzi scheme. Insurance needs to be banned.

When people pay into the system (payroll deduction) they start to feel like they deserve to take some back out when the rules say they can. It sucks that they raise the employer contribution rate when someone takes something from unemployment, but isn't that how insurance usually works? If it actually gets used, they raise the rates...even if it is due to no fault of your own. Insurance is a big scam.

[jenuine835]

Thank you Bruno :)

Brian4Liberty - Yeah, especially with government insurance, there is no market discipline - also, it doesnt really act like insurance, not if people get it no matter what. I would think that if you have proof that people are getting a paycheck, they should immediately deny her claim.

UEI doesn't act like insurance. I think unemployment insurance would be fine if it were your choice, if it was private and you were allowed to opt out of it.

But NJ unemployment insurance is going bankrupt according to Jon Corzine, which then makes them raise the amount coming out, which is why im so mad, because at the same time they are giving it to everyone under the sun, and i have no choice to opt out.

[jenuine835]

And Brian, you are right about the rates being raised, but it seems that at least with private insurance, they weed out the OBVIOUS cases of fraud, although who knows, even that doesnt seem to be the case anymore. With this government mandated stuff, they just give it to you no matter what and i HAVE to pay the rates, i cant opt out.

[Brian4Liberty]

But NJ unemployment insurance is going bankrupt according to Jon Corzine, which then makes them raise the amount coming out, which is why im so mad, because at the same time they are giving it to everyone under the sun, and i have no choice to opt out.

Isn't all insurance going bankrupt (like all ponzi schemes eventually do)? Look at AIG...

Many people around here will defend insurance as a voluntary contract between private parties. But that is not what it is in practice. When insurance companies fail, the taxpayers have to bail them out.

And as you said, it's not voluntary! It's forced. Depending on your business, you may be forced to pay for all kinds of insurance: UI, liability, errors and omissions, malpractice, default, auto, health, fire, accident, etc..

Insurance is just another form of forced socialism...

[phill4paul]

LOL, I see ya met constituent Jen. :p

Only he could tell you to quit paying into the insurance scam. Next he'll be telling you to simply not with hold taxes on your employees.:D

Only non-business owners, and basements dwellers, would suggest that you should be the first to step up to the bat in Liberties cause. He's got your back.;):D

[roxypudge]

That person, "Constituent," really didn't seem to have anything good or intelligent to say. He just seems to mock anyone with an opinion or who is outraged about the growing entitlement attitude in this country.

Anyway, I think it is disgusting the way people can do what jenuine is talking about and get away with it. That person should be thrown in jail for fraud. And obviously jenuine is a law-abiding citizen and wouldn't drop down to the level of bucking the system because then she would be just like the people she is complaining about.
Plus, even if she did, you know the government would have no problem going after her, but leave that employee alone. It's so backwards.

[Danke]

LOL, I see ya met constituent Jen. :p

Only he could tell you to quit paying into the insurance scam. Next he'll be telling you to simply not with hold taxes on your employees.:D

Only non-business owners, and basements dwellers, would suggest that you should be the first to step up to the bat in Liberties cause. He's got your back.;):D

I have had my own business.

People are so brain washed that they think they can only operate a business by going down to a government office and incorporating. Then follow all the directions the government tells them with their various forms and pamphlets.


No, you don't have to play that game. Will it take you standing your ground? probably, depending on what your business does and its size.

[phill4paul]

I have had my own business.

People are so brain washed that they think they can only operate a business by going down to a government office and incorporating. Then follow all the directions the government tells them with their various forms and pamphlets.


No, you don't have to play that game. Will it take you standing your ground? probably, depending on what your business does and its size.


For a time, perhaps. Until the government wonders where you are getting your income. Or where your employees are getting theirs.

It is about the same with a tax revolt or armed revolution. I will stand if "x" number stand. I will not be a martyr if my loss is of no gain. That is just a loss.

[Danke]

For a time, perhaps. Until the government wonders where you are getting your income. Or where your employees are getting theirs.

It is about the same with a tax revolt or armed revolution. I will stand if "x" number stand. I will not be a martyr if my loss is of no gain. That is just a loss.

No, it stands. I know plenty who have always conducted their affairs without government granted status.

[phill4paul]

No, it stands. I know plenty who have always conducted their affairs without government granted status.

More power to them. They are in my prayers and best wishes that the system comes crashing down before their assets, commercial and personal, are seized.

[Danke]

More power to them. They are in my prayers and best wishes that the system comes crashing down before their assets, commercial and personal, are seized.

I guess for some prayer is better than education.

[phill4paul]

I guess for some prayer is better than education.

If ya wanna educate feel free to send me a P.M. Always looking for a better way.:)

[Bruno]

That person, "Constituent," really didn't seem to have anything good or intelligent to say. He just seems to mock anyone with an opinion or who is outraged about the growing entitlement attitude in this country.

Anyway, I think it is disgusting the way people can do what jenuine is talking about and get away with it. That person should be thrown in jail for fraud. And obviously jenuine is a law-abiding citizen and wouldn't drop down to the level of bucking the system because then she would be just like the people she is complaining about.
Plus, even if she did, you know the government would have no problem going after her, but leave that employee alone. It's so backwards.

Welcome to the RP Forums! :D

[angelatc]

my name is Jen. what is your problem?

Hi Jen...welcome.

YOu seem to have accidently stepped in something on your way in. Sorry about that.

There's an ignore function that will make your stay here much more enjoyable. Click on his name, and his profile will open up. Under his name, there is a link titled "User Lists." Click that, and then hit "Add To Ignore List."

Viola! Clean shoes, and the smell disappears too.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[constituent]

Hi Jen...welcome.

YOu seem to have accidently stepped in something on your way in. Sorry about that.

There's an ignore function that will make your stay here much more enjoyable. Click on his name, and his profile will open up. Under his name, there is a link titled "User Lists." Click that, and then hit "Add To Ignore List."

Viola! Clean shoes, and the smell disappears too.

rofl, coming from you angel, i'll take that as a compliment.

the fact that you rush in even after the roxypudge sockpuppet speaks volumes.

[constituent]

That person, "Constituent," really didn't seem to have anything good or intelligent to say. He just seems to mock anyone with an opinion or who is outraged about the growing entitlement attitude in this country.

Anyway, I think it is disgusting the way people can do what jenuine is talking about and get away with it. That person should be thrown in jail for fraud. And obviously jenuine is a law-abiding citizen and wouldn't drop down to the level of bucking the system because then she would be just like the people she is complaining about.
Plus, even if she did, you know the government would have no problem going after her, but leave that employee alone. It's so backwards.

lol at the 1 post sock puppet, jenuine.

[constituent]

Welcome to the RP Forums! :D

good eyes, btw.

[constituent]

Only non-business owners, and basements dwellers, would suggest that you should be the first to step up to the bat in Liberties cause. He's got your back.;):D

oh you're so very clever.

what exactly offended you (or did you merely perceive an easy opportunity, your chance to be "part of the gang")?

[constituent]

For a time, perhaps. Until the government wonders where you are getting your income. Or where your employees are getting theirs.


Cower in fear, that's your right.

Don't bother scapegoating those less fortunate than yourself, vilifying them and heaping all the blame for your failings on them though, k?

[phill4paul]

Cower in fear, that's your right.

Don't bother scapegoating those less fortunate than yourself, vilifying them and heaping all the blame for your failings on them though, k?

You are so brave when it comes to condemning someone else livelihood.

Danke, I'm still waiting on that P.M. on how to miraculously get away without paying taxes, insurance etc.

[jenuine835]

Hi Jen...welcome.

YOu seem to have accidently stepped in something on your way in. Sorry about that.

There's an ignore function that will make your stay here much more enjoyable. Click on his name, and his profile will open up. Under his name, there is a link titled "User Lists." Click that, and then hit "Add To Ignore List."


Viola! Clean shoes, and the smell disappears too.
I just saw these responses, you guys are great, thank you so much~!!! I was wondering what was wrong with that guy haha. I am reading all of your responses now.

[roxypudge]

lol at the 1 post sock puppet, jenuine.

What???? Are you on drugs?

[jenuine835]

constituent is a psycho! I will use the ignore function, thanks for the recommendation!!

[roxypudge]

And constituent still has nothing intelligent to say. I really think he likes to just come on here to agitate people.

[robert9712000]

I understand your frustration that shes using the system,but except for her motive i find myself in the same position.
Up till last fall i was employed full time working atleast 50+ hrs aweek till my companys work dried up and i got layed off.
I went and filed for unemployement and had been looking for work up untill about 3 weeks ago when i got offered a part time job with the possibility of full time if the economy picks up.
My dilema at first was id make more money on unemployment than working part time,but i did some looking into it and found out that the unemployement will compensate me the amount of money id be loosing to goto work part time.
So for the last couple weeks ive been working part time and collecting unemployement up to the amount where my part time income plus my new unemployment compensation equals the initial amount i was making on unemployement.
Even with my part time job and unemployment im making about half the money i was when i was working full time.
So do you feel im in the wrong to be collecting unemployement even though im working part time?

Robert Wagner

[constituent]

You are so brave when it comes to condemning someone else livelihood.


I'd say the same of yourself and the OP. Funny how sometimes you get what you give, ain't it?

[jenuine835]

I understand your frustration that shes using the system,but except for her motive i find myself in the same position.
Up till last fall i was employed full time working atleast 50+ hrs aweek till my companys work dried up and i got layed off.
I went and filed for unemployement and had been looking for work up untill about 3 weeks ago when i got offered a part time job with the possibility of full time if the economy picks up.
My dilema at first was id make more money on unemployment than working part time,but i did some looking into it and found out that the unemployement will compensate me the amount of money id be loosing to goto work part time.
So for the last couple weeks ive been working part time and collecting unemployement up to the amount where my part time income plus my new unemployment compensation equals the initial amount i was making on unemployement.
Even with my part time job and unemployment im making about half the money i was when i was working full time.
So do you feel im in the wrong to be collecting unemployement even though im working part time?

Robert Wagner


Robert,
I admire your candor, and I understand your predicament. I am a bit of a libertarian on most issues ... Personally, don't think we should have government mandated unemployment to begin with - I prefer an opt out system, a private insurance that you dont HAVE to participate in.

Since im a libertarian on the issue, i do think it is wrong for them to give unemployment to make up the difference because my feeling is that people then lose the incentive to even bother getting a full time job that will pay more, I also just think it induces a moral hazard. I think part of life is that sometimes you lose your job and struggle, and government was not created to help us when we lose our jobs, it just wasn't put there for this. This is also why ue is going bankrupt in a lot of states, i just find it wrong

It's also unfair because that means you can go get a job, then get yourself fired, collect unemployment and then get a part time job, knowing you can make up the difference. What about a stay at home mom who chooses to stay home and raise her kids? I never understood how you are "guaranteed" a job just because you are hired by someone to do a job in exchange for money. i think we should be saving our OWN money. id rather take that money put into the UE pool and put it in my own savings account. i always hear "well people wont do it" - well thats their problem

but again im a bit of a ron paul libertarian so im sure you'll all think im a nutcase!

[constituent]

I am a bit of a libertarian on most issues ...

Since im a libertarian on the issue...

but again im a bit of a ron paul libertarian so im sure you'll all think im a nutcase!

:rolleyes: ;) :D

[phill4paul]

I'd say the same of yourself and the OP. Funny how sometimes you get what you give, ain't it?

And sometimes I don't get what I give as I have never received unemployment, but I have sure payed into it.

The girl in the OP was obviously able to work. She was offered a full-time position. She chose not to work full time and at the same time cut back her original hours in an effort to scam the system so that she could receive wages without having to work for them. What part of that do you not get?

I do not mind that there are safegaurds set up for people that are in real trouble. The example in the OPs piece was deliberately manipulating a systen set up to help those that were truly in need.

And if you think that's all well and good than I'm sure your glad to be a part of the Obamanation.

[constituent]

The girl in the OP was obviously able to work. She was offered a full-time position. She chose not to work full time and at the same time cut back her original hours in an effort to scam the system so that she could receive wages without having to work for them. What part of that do you not get?

Who said I didn't get it? I get it quite clearly. I even understand the motivation behind OPs arrival, what part of that do you not get?



I do not mind that there are safegaurds set up for people that are in real trouble.

I do.



The example in the OPs piece was deliberately manipulating a systen set up to help those that were truly in need.

No it wasn't, look up "barrier to entry" sometime, k jr.?



And if you think that's all well and good than I'm sure your glad to be a part of the Obamanation.

Oh God, you're such a dolt.

Your poor mother.

[phill4paul]

Oh God, you're such a dolt. Your poor mother.


LOL. Lose it much? Try another ladder of zanex. It'll be alright in the morning.

[constituent]

LOL. Lose it much? Try another ladder of zanex. It'll be alright in the morning.

Lose it much? Calling you a dolt is "losing it?" What a nice sheltered life you must have lived.

Keep reaching.

(btw, it's not spelled with a "z," you dolt) ;)

[Bruno]

Don't make me pull this car over. :p

[constituent]

Don't make me pull this car over. :p

i know, right?