Do Libertarians/Constitutionalists Have a Gathering Like CPAC?

[Knightskye]

Any conferences for liberty-minded people?

[fj45lvr]

well there will be gatherings for Campaign for Liberty....

Mises Institute might have some conferences??

[Danke]

well there will be gatherings for Campaign for Liberty....



We just had our first one tonight in Mpls.

Featuring:
Thomas E Woods,
a senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mises Institute
and author of just-released bestseller: "Meltdown" presents:
"Free Market Economics 101"

Terry McCall:
"Freedom Sells"

And breakout sessions:
(1) Professor Butler Shaffer, author of In Restraint of Trade, on the Great Depression;
(2) Bill Butler on Monetary Policy and the Bailouts; and
(3) Parliamentary Procedure: How to Be Effective at Meetings and Conventions.

[eok321]

Is there any video's going to show up of this from friday??

7:00
Campaign for Liberty's, "Liberty Forum"
Hampton Ballroom
Sponsored by Campaign for Liberty

Speakers: Rep. Ron Paul, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Thomas Woods, Bruce Fein, Larry Pratt, Mark Mix
Open to all CPAC attendees

[Bradley in DC]

FreedomFest in Vegas.

[Knightskye]

FreedomFest in Vegas.

Ah yeah, I think Peter Schiff will be there in July?

[Havax]

http://mises.org/events/109

[Theocrat]

The Constitution Party is having its Spring 2009 National and Executive Committee Meetings this upcoming June in Newark, New Jersey. More details about that can be found here (http://www.constitutionparty.com/view_events.php).

[muzzled dogg]

click my sig

[mport1]

The Liberty Forum (http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum) which is this week (Ron Paul was one of the speakers last year) and PorcFest (http://www.freestateproject.org/festival/). Mises has some stuff as well.

[Matt Collins]

Campaign for Liberty in St Louis and Jax

[Munier1]

You shouldn't have gatherings and conferences. It's just collectivist bullshit.

The idea of a Libertarian Party is even a little fishy. Organizing into political parties just encourages groupthink and the whole in-group versus out-group mentality, which is the same thing every other political party and special interest group does. At the end of the day, I would compromise and go along with the LP anyway, in order to promote freedom and less government, but I have to be a little nervous about all the unity nonsense (even when it involves individualistic members). It always leads to trouble.

[Matt Collins]

You shouldn't have gatherings and conferences. It's just collectivist bullshit.

The idea of a Libertarian Party is even a little fishy. Organizing into political parties just encourages groupthink and the whole in-group versus out-group mentality, which is the same thing every other political party and special interest group does. You can't be serious :rolleyes:

[Munier1]

I am serious. Moreover, I don't take group efforts seriously. They're doomed to fail usually, but, if a good one does manage to succeed (like the American Revolution), they are short-lived because nobody ever stays committed. We (and I use the word reluctantly) would do like everyone else and forget our way just like everyone else.

Religions are a lot like this. They start out all fine and dandy with nice folks like Jesus, Muhammad, or whomever, but once the charismatic leader dies, the movement falls into disarray (they split into factions just like Christianity and Islam did).

This is just how things are. It does not matter what you want. Reality trumps theory, value, and virtue.

[Matt Collins]

I am serious. How old are you? What is your education level?

[gls]

The RLC (http://www.rlc.org/) is holding their 2009 national convention March 27-29 in Jacksonville, FL.

[Theocrat]

You shouldn't have gatherings and conferences. It's just collectivist bullshit.

The idea of a Libertarian Party is even a little fishy. Organizing into political parties just encourages groupthink and the whole in-group versus out-group mentality, which is the same thing every other political party and special interest group does. At the end of the day, I would compromise and go along with the LP anyway, in order to promote freedom and less government, but I have to be a little nervous about all the unity nonsense (even when it involves individualistic members). It always leads to trouble.

You do realize you're going to be part of a group no matter what, right? Even being a member of this forum puts you in a group. Besides, God didn't create us to be lone rangers. ;)

[Munier1]

My education level is high enough to grant me the ability to understand very important details, such as those associated with the definition of the term "collectivism." That same education level I speak of is probably higher than yours, but I don't wear it as a badge of honor insofar as the education industry is dominated by socialists and Keynesians.

Do you not have a "serious" objection to what I said earlier? I would hate to think that you cannot handle a challenge.

[Munier1]

Yes, we were not meant to be lone rangers. Gathering into families and friendship circles is part of life and very necessary. Economics also depends on some degree of cohesion (hopefully as little as possible though).

However, these group endeavors to enact social and political change should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism as long as they all end up having the same result (groupthink, tyranny of the majority, etc.). Also, I really just wanted to point out that even something as anti-collectivist as the libertarian movement can still technically be considered collectivist. This must pose some kind of dilemma . . .

[Andrew-Austin]

You shouldn't have gatherings and conferences. It's just collectivist bullshit.


Do you know what collectivism is, or are you just another dude who uses the term incorrectly?

[gls]

Let's look at some definitions of "collectivist":


(1) a person who belongs to the political left
(2) subscribing to the socialistic doctrine of ownership by the people collectively

wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn



(1) Collectivism is a term used to describe any moral, political, or social outlook, that stresses human interdependence and the importance of a collective, rather than the importance of separate individuals. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivist


(1) collectivism - An emphasis on collective goals as opposed to individual goals.

enbv.narod.ru/text/Econom/ib/str/261.html


(1) collectivism - pertains to societies in which people, from birth onwards, are integrated into strong, cohesive groups.

wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/213/218150/glossary.html

Libertarians and other small government proponents joining together to oppose collectivism cannot by definition be collectivist. People uniting in defense of liberty do so of their own free will. Collectivism implies government coercion and aggression.

[Munier1]

GLS, I was never referring to libertarians and small government proponents because they would be individuals. I was talking about the Libertarian Party and all these group therapy conferences and gatherings.

When you engage in that behavior you do indeed stress the need for "human interdependence and the importance of a collective" at least as long as you value the idea of getting together to make a change. Party members would do well to keep this in mind so as to avoid the urge to compel individuals into conforming into the ideas of the group. Libertarians should continue to take pride in the fact that there are many different strands of libertarian thought.

These group therapy things that I speak of are okay (in small doses), but they tend to result in idolatry and almost a kind of hypnosis.

There is one other thing that I should mention. Keep in mind, government is created by individuals who come together to form groups. Government does not just create itself. If you act to oppose collectivism by using collectivist methods, you are collectivist as well (at least in a very small way).

[Matt Collins]

My education level is high enough to grant me the ability to understand very important details, such as those associated with the definition of the term "collectivism." That same education level I speak of is probably higher than yours, but I don't wear it as a badge of honor insofar as the education industry is dominated by socialists and Keynesians.So are you going to answer the question or not; what is your highest level of education?

[Munier1]

Fine, for the sake of transparency I will disclose my education level.

High school (crappy GPA), BS degree (3.7 GPA, with honors in political science/philosophy), Master's degree (currently working on this).

Again, as I said, education does not mean a whole lot though. Most PhD's support Barrack Obama. That should tell you something.

[porcupine]

The Liberty Forum (http://freestateproject.org/libertyforum)

[Knightskye]

The Liberty Forum (http://freestateproject.org/libertyforum)

Ah yeah. Ron Paul spoke there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fr3bauSyM

[Bradley in DC]

http://mises.org/events/109

That is nothing like CPAC.

[Josh_LA]

there's always PorcFest
hempfest
Summer Redneck Games (mostly local)