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mconder
02-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Just on Glenn Beck they were war gaming a complete economic melt down and they had Michael Schuer and a guy from the Army on. They were talking about a term called "The Bubba Effect" in which enclaves of people all around the country begin to form to protect themselves. They said these are people who are disaffected by the government. They said they will form their own militias and underground economies. Interestingly, Michael Schuer defended people who would join such groups. It was a very interesting conversation.

I was actually having thoughts a couple months ago about forming such groups all over America using meetup.com...the same way the Ron Paul campaign exploded into exsistence. I really think this is a viable starting point to forming protective groups.

pcosmar
02-20-2009, 06:25 PM
SHhhh!
Don't form groups openly. They will be infiltrated.
Don't broadcast plans to the enemy.

Think, don't talk. :cool:

Cowlesy
02-20-2009, 06:34 PM
Yeah, it was funny when Beck asked Scheuer, "Michael...how do we diffuse these groups" and Scheuer replies, "You don't want to diffuse them".

Beck was beside himself. He is having the Command Sargent (I can't remember his name) and Scheuer back on Monday to further the discussion.

Anti Federalist
02-20-2009, 06:42 PM
http://www.committeesofsafety.org/

MsDoodahs
02-20-2009, 06:43 PM
By calling the memebers of such groups "bubbas" they make it easy for the military to dehumanize them so that the military will be fine and dandy with blowing bubba's brains out.

It's a way to dehumanize no different than "slopehead," "raghead" "sand ******," etc etc.

Made me ill to hear that discussion.

dannno
02-20-2009, 06:43 PM
Is the enemy realizing they are the enemy?

pcosmar
02-20-2009, 06:47 PM
http://www.committeesofsafety.org/

Excellent.:cool:

ihsv
02-20-2009, 07:46 PM
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13254/32_2008/bubba.preview.jpg

LibertyEagle
02-20-2009, 07:56 PM
SHhhh!
Don't form groups openly. They will be infiltrated.
Don't broadcast plans to the enemy.

Think, don't talk. :cool:

qft

LibertyEagle
02-20-2009, 07:57 PM
Yeah, it was funny when Beck asked Scheuer, "Michael...how do we diffuse these groups" and Scheuer replies, "You don't want to diffuse them".

Beck was beside himself. He is having the Command Sargent (I can't remember his name) and Scheuer back on Monday to further the discussion.

Beck is an asshole for taking that stand. A total and complete asshole. :mad:

Ex Post Facto
02-20-2009, 08:10 PM
How many of you have headed the words of the HOPI Elders? The prophesy of the HOPI has been accurate to date. But what they say about where we are at is exactly what this BUBBA EFFECT will be. What if like stated below, none of us actually fight anyone? What if we all just withdraw from society, form communities, and learn to self sustain? Not one shot fired, not one shot. What if tyranny comes in full force, yet collectively we learn central planning isn't good, and we turn our back on the troops coming to tell us how to live? I don't know what the elders here are suggesting, but it sounds a lot like an evolution of humanity. Maybe we all realize, we don't need to be governed, if we all work is smaller communities.


Hopi Elders Prayer

From the Hopi Elders

You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour.

Now you must go back and tell the people that this is The Hour.

Here are the things that must be considered:

Where are you living?

What are you doing?

What are your relationships?

Are you in right relation?

Where is your water?

Know your garden.

It is time to speak your Truth.

Create your community.

Be good to each other.

And do not look outside yourself for the leader.

This could be a good time!

There is a river flowing now very fast.

It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid.

They will try to hold on to the shore.

They will feel like they are being torn apart, and they will suffer greatly.

Know the river has its destination.

The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off toward the middle

of the river,

keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.

See who is there with you and celebrate.

At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally, least of

all ourselves!

For the moment we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt.

The time of the lonely wolf is over. Gather yourselves!

Banish the word struggle from your attitude and vocabulary.

All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.

We are the ones we have been waiting for.

~ The Elders, Oraibi, Arizona, Hopi Nation

Cowlesy
02-20-2009, 08:11 PM
Beck is an asshole for taking that stand. A total and complete asshole. :mad:

Beck is also having Scheuer back on on Monday because Beck wants to understand this point of view. I don't think you should take it as if he's against people rising up --- i just don't think his brain comprehends it yet.

Rael
02-20-2009, 08:17 PM
Youtube or it never happened.

RSLudlum
02-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Youtube or it never happened.

You asketh, you may haveth!! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOFgTvNqRJE

Ex Post Facto
02-20-2009, 11:15 PM
After seeing the video...I thought it was a logic debate on different viewpoints. I didn't see much sleight of hand in an attempt to control the outcome of the discussion. Great topic to discuss.

pcosmar
02-20-2009, 11:35 PM
What is most interesting to me is that not only is it being discussed / considered.
But They have a name for it.
The Bubba Effect. :cool:








That also means that in some think tank they are formulating plans. ;)

mediahasyou
02-20-2009, 11:40 PM
It's time further discussion on this topic moved underground.

Anti Federalist
02-21-2009, 12:10 AM
It's time further discussion on this topic moved underground.

That is exactly wher it does NOT need to go.

This is not animal porn, or drug running, this is about standing up for freedom.

Isaac Bickerstaff
02-21-2009, 12:36 AM
Was Beck wearing lipstick?

ihsv
02-21-2009, 12:38 AM
Was Beck wearing lipstick?

Are you asking the pig? :D

Rael
02-21-2009, 12:39 AM
That is exactly wher it does NOT need to go.

This is not animal porn, or drug running, this is about standing up for freedom.

I think you may have a point. I wonder if being so quiet about being willing to stand up and fight might be hurting our cause. Perhaps if the powers that be knew how many people are willing to fight back, they would think twice before doing anything really stupid.

Isaac Bickerstaff
02-21-2009, 12:43 AM
What's really cool is that the sustainability discussion group I recently got involved with are mostly Obama followers, but they are building the quintessential "Bubba" community--and they think "The Leader" told them to!!

JordanL
02-21-2009, 12:43 AM
It's time further discussion on this topic moved underground.

No... do it in the open, then when they come for you, it lights the spark that begins it.

Anti Federalist
02-21-2009, 12:56 AM
I think you may have a point. I wonder if being so quiet about being willing to stand up and fight might be hurting our cause. Perhaps if the powers that be knew how many people are willing to fight back, they would think twice before doing anything really stupid.

Exactly.

By raising seven kinds of holy hell NOW, we can possibly avert a fight LATER.

At the very least, if it did come to that, there could be no way that the PTB could say, "Oooh, this was not expected, where did you people come from?"

Rael
02-21-2009, 12:57 AM
another thing...what if we destroyed the stereotype that militias are racist rednecks? What if being in a militia became popular, a source of pride rather than something to be made fun of?

Isaac Bickerstaff
02-21-2009, 01:00 AM
another thing...what if we destroyed the stereotype that militias are racist rednecks? What if being in a militia became popular, a source of pride rather than something to be made fun of?

We need some more stories like the one where "Bubbas" showed up to give hurricane disaster relief and beat FEMA by a full day.

pcosmar
02-21-2009, 01:04 AM
another thing...what if we destroyed the stereotype that militias are racist rednecks? What if being in a militia became popular, a source of pride rather than something to be made fun of?

It is something to be proud of.
The "racist redneck" thing is a media construct, designed to scare people away. it never really existed other than a few examples. But that is how it has been portrayed.

pcosmar
02-21-2009, 01:06 AM
We need some more stories like the one where "Bubbas" showed up to give hurricane disaster relief and beat FEMA by a full day.

That was an every hurricane thing when I lived in the Keys.
We had roads cleared before the Officials opened their shudders.

pcosmar
02-21-2009, 01:12 AM
Yup does this look like a bunch of racist rednecks?

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/images/banners/INDEX1.jpg

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

raiha
02-21-2009, 02:14 AM
Glen Beck is playing Devil's Advocate in case he loses his job. He knows exactly why Michael Scheuer says what he says. That's why he invited him in. He is feigning surprise.

I liked Scheuer's "tyranny of incompetence" :D

Rael
02-21-2009, 03:05 AM
Yup does this look like a bunch of racist rednecks?

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/images/banners/INDEX1.jpg

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

How do I sign up? :D

mconder
02-21-2009, 09:01 AM
Beck was beside himself. He is having the Command Sargent (I can't remember his name) and Scheuer back on Monday to further the discussion.

Unless FOX puts the skids to it.

mconder
02-21-2009, 09:04 AM
What if we all just withdraw from society, form communities, and learn to self sustain?

It's time further discussion on this topic moved underground.

I really think it is time to start forming such communities. If they are non-violent, there is nothing they can do. The right of free association is clearly in the bill of rights.

We need to start forming these communities NOW! We should do it just like we did for the Ron Paul campaign. We should use meetup.com and form groups all over the U.S. Without meetup.com, Ron Paul's campaign would have gone nowhere. Once we have groups firmly established, we can create alternate channels of communication should meetup.com ban us. We can do this. We need a good name to operate under nation wide and then everyone can start creating meetups under this common name. The will will create an offline network of communications and support. Our stated purpose will be to create self-reliance and prepardness in our people. As long as we don't openly state we are militant or that we are trying to undermine the general economy, they can not touch us!!!!

Seriously, if anyone is willing to help with this effort, please PM me. I am not expecting to be anyone leaders or make money. I just want to create a loose network that can support each other when things go south.

tommyzDad
02-21-2009, 09:28 AM
We need to start forming these communities NOW!

"Neighbors"
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1976881#post1976881

Brooklyn Red Leg
02-21-2009, 10:08 AM
another thing...what if we destroyed the stereotype that militias are racist rednecks?

Already happened in the 1990s with the Senate Militia Hearings and James Johnson's testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXDY2rsk5s&feature=related

Nyte
02-21-2009, 10:21 AM
Glen Beck is playing Devil's Advocate in case he loses his job. He knows exactly why Michael Scheuer says what he says. That's why he invited him in. He is feigning surprise.

I liked Scheuer's "tyranny of incompetence" :D

Yep. Beck talks like this all the time on his radio show. He's feigning ignorance.

Cowlesy
02-21-2009, 10:24 AM
Beck was not anti-Bubba. Beck was anti the-government-being-foolish-enough-to-push-ordinary-citizens-to-the-brink.

He's fearful of it. I am fearful of it too. I enjoy our peaceful society. Like Beck, I don't want to have to strap-on my level IV tactical vest and leg rig to go buy a carton of milk. No thanks.

I think his point is the retards in Washington can only go so far before the porcupine's quills go up and things get ugly. His other point in having the show period is that people should be prepared.

I am still disgusted with him for calling us terrorists and what not, but I am not going to write-off the chance for him to mentally evolve. I thought it was a great show and applaud him for it.

Rael
02-21-2009, 11:06 AM
I really think it is time to start forming such communities. If they are non-violent, there is nothing they can do. The right of free association is clearly in the bill of rights.

We need to start forming these communities NOW! We should do it just like we did for the Ron Paul campaign. We should use meetup.com and form groups all over the U.S. Without meetup.com, Ron Paul's campaign would have gone nowhere. Once we have groups firmly established, we can create alternate channels of communication should meetup.com ban us. We can do this. We need a good name to operate under nation wide and then everyone can start creating meetups under this common name. The will will create an offline network of communications and support. Our stated purpose will be to create self-reliance and prepardness in our people. As long as we don't openly state we are militant or that we are trying to undermine the general economy, they can not touch us!!!!

Seriously, if anyone is willing to help with this effort, please PM me. I am not expecting to be anyone leaders or make money. I just want to create a loose network that can support each other when things go south.

I think this is a good idea. I think it should be made clear that while the group does not favor violence, we do believe in the right to alter or abolish government, and we need to find a way to make it known that armed resistance is on the table as a last resort the government encroaches on certain rights.

Isaac Bickerstaff
02-21-2009, 11:13 AM
We just need to make the Federal Government irrelevant. (State Gov. for that matter too.)

pcosmar
02-21-2009, 11:26 AM
I think this is a good idea. I think it should be made clear that while the group does not favor violence, we do believe in the right to alter or abolish government, and we need to find a way to make it known that armed resistance is on the table as a last resort the government encroaches on certain rights.

That point is made clear in the writings of the Founders and Framers of the Constitution.
It is the Sole reason for the 2nd amendment.
I don't see how it can be made any clearer.


"Gaurd with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!"

- Patrick Henry


"While the people have property, arms in their hands, and only a spark of noble spirit, the most corrupt Congress must be mad to form any project of tyranny."

- Rev. Nicholas Collin, Fayetteville Gazette (N.C.), October 12, 1789

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson, in letter to William S. Smith, 1787


If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
-- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

Chosen
02-21-2009, 11:39 AM
Glen Beck is playing Devil's Advocate in case he loses his job. He knows exactly why Michael Scheuer says what he says. That's why he invited him in. He is feigning surprise.

I liked Scheuer's "tyranny of incompetence" :D
I loved that quote as well.

I am torn on my view of Beck. I sometimes see his histrionics as pure mockery. Almost as embarrassing and stupid as the "voice" thing he does when he talks as someone else.

His acting is terrible, its obvious he knew what their point of view was going to be. I see his reaction as purely political, trying to pretend this is news to him. He may even have been trying to emphasize the credibility of the idea of revolt by feigning naievete. In the end his reaction was untruthful.

He may be doing harm to our ideas by theatrics and "performance" and the case could be made he is doing so intentionally. In a positive light, many folks are getting to hear what others have been saying for a couple of years. Bill O'Reilly is no longer able to censor this speech from his malignantly narcissistic bully pulpit. Globalist Bill seems annoyed by Beck. But this is TV, nothing is what it seems anyway.

In then end, he s getting a message out to MSA. If he would cut down the theatrics, character voices and simply convey the ideas, I think he would be much more beneficial to American Patriots. As it stands his methodology is framing our ideas incorrectly. Some may say this is intentional others may say he is a poor performer, time will tell.

RonPaulMania
02-21-2009, 12:46 PM
Beck is an asshole for taking that stand. A total and complete asshole. :mad:

Yes, you are right, he should think and act like you, then he will be likeable.

Who's the asshole: the guy who is searching for the truth, or the guy who thinks he knows everything about everybody? You're insane.

mconder
02-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Like Beck, I don't want to have to strap-on my level IV tactical vest and leg rig to go buy a carton of milk.

Milk comes from cows. Get one.

mconder
02-21-2009, 03:15 PM
"While the people have property, arms in their hands, and only a spark of noble spirit, the most corrupt Congress must be mad to form any project of tyranny."

Is this the possible property values were exploded beyond what a man could pay off during his lifetime?

pcosmar
02-21-2009, 03:17 PM
Milk comes from cows. Get one.

Have neighbors( Bubbas), Thank you very much.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/2775771624_8dd40bf103.jpg?v=0

p.s. taken from my side of the fence facing SE.

Cowlesy
02-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Milk comes from cows. Get one.

I don't want to have to strap-on my level IV tactical vest and leg rig to walk out to the barn to milk a cow.


Or should I just live in the barn, fully strapped 24/7?

pcosmar
02-21-2009, 03:25 PM
I don't want to have to strap-on my level IV tactical vest and leg rig to walk out to the barn to milk a cow.


Or should I just live in the barn, fully strapped 24/7?

I think mine is the only home in the area without a gun. But I have an Axe. and some tools, and some friends.
In a time of need I expect someone might loan me an extra one. I'll trade em a pumpkin. :D

Cowlesy
02-21-2009, 03:27 PM
I think mine is the only home in the area without a gun. But I have an Axe. and some tools, and some friends.
In a time of need I expect someone might loan me an extra one. I'll trade em a pumpkin. :D

Hahaha PCO I feel like if it really came down to dung hitting the blades, you'd be one of the few who'd be acquiring the tools by which to defend yourself and friends quite quickly :)

2young2vote
02-21-2009, 03:36 PM
I don't think i would want one of those..it sounds too much like this country would turn into a Middle East style America.

pcosmar
02-21-2009, 03:38 PM
I have heard that necessity is the Mother of Invention, (not to be confused with Zappa).
Ya never know what odd bits of junk can be turned into.

dr. hfn
02-21-2009, 03:50 PM
http://www.committeesofsafety.org/

good advice!

xd9fan
02-21-2009, 04:24 PM
mmmmmm

mconder
02-21-2009, 07:14 PM
I don't think i would want one of those..it sounds too much like this country would turn into a Middle East style America.

Your right it could go tribal. Each tribe might get together and form states. The states might want to form a confederated union. You're right, that might suck.

Anti Federalist
02-21-2009, 08:19 PM
He's fearful of it. I am fearful of it too. I enjoy our peaceful society. Like Beck, I don't want to have to strap-on my level IV tactical vest and leg rig to go buy a carton of milk. No thanks.

Pussy.

Where's your sense of adventure?

What, you wanna live forever?:p

PS: when I read what you had written, I thought right away of this PJ O'Rourke piece from Republican Party Reptile

Read it here, scroll to page 93 "Just one of those days" (http://books.google.com/books?id=1WnBVmtWZGgC&dq=PJ+O'Rourke+books+Republican+Party+Reptile&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=LrugSb_uKeCbtwel4cWTDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA93,M1)

It's good for a Lol.

SimpleName
02-22-2009, 01:36 AM
Beck is just late to the party. He simply stayed ignorant to reality a bit longer than us. He'll come along soon enough and realize how much we truly do need militias. In fact, Scheuer will probably create a concrete base in Beck's mind on Monday if he does actually return.

tangent4ronpaul
02-22-2009, 12:47 PM
No... do it in the open, then when they come for you, it lights the spark that begins it.

When the Posse Comitatus got together and were trying to protect farmers from eviction due to US Agricultural price manipulation policies - well, it didn't turn out really well.

And then there was a little self defense group that formed in Italy and that turned out really badly - but in a different way...

Charlie Manson and the Weather Underground also held that "spark that ignites it" idea... didn't work out really well.

-t

tremendoustie
02-22-2009, 12:57 PM
Your right it could go tribal. Each tribe might get together and form states. The states might want to form a confederated union. You're right, that might suck.

Bingo. For all his talk of the "writings of the founders" Beck needs to study a little history. Government exists by the consent of the governed -- it is formed by the people in order to serve the people, not the other way around. The people have every right to abolish it, or withdraw, if it no longer serves them.

tangent4ronpaul
02-22-2009, 12:58 PM
I really think it is time to start forming such communities. If they are non-violent, there is nothing they can do. The right of free association is clearly in the bill of rights.


Somehow I don't think the Branch Dividian's would agree - nor would some Mormon communities... Or what about the NOW group in Philly - the ones the gvmt firebombed their building and "accidentally" burned down 10 blocks...

but other examples - some good, some bad:

hippies
The Farm
the intentional communities movement
the Minutemen - that being the current border watchers, the paramilitary organisation from the '60's and the original ones.
the KKK
the militia movement - heavily infiltrated by the feds
the black panthers - some of who's members bodies were made to look like swiss cheese by the cops
what about that group that started their own country on an oil platform in international waters - till the helicopter gunship showed up...

-t

tangent4ronpaul
02-22-2009, 01:15 PM
Milk comes from cows. Get one.

Yeah - just be sure to move to the country before hand if you don't want a SWAT team at your door!

then be sure to chip it and fill out a stack of forms in triplicate every time you move it, it has a vet visit or it farts.

that is after your mandatory gvmt inspection of it's living quarters and you have complied with drugging it with steroids and anti-biotics and don't even THINK about selling or giving it's milk or cheese you made from it to another human being... that's a big NO, NO!

-t

mconder
02-22-2009, 01:30 PM
Where's your sense of adventure?

What, you wanna live forever?

I'd rather have my kids and grandchildren say their father was part of the greatest generation than the weakest.

mconder
02-22-2009, 01:31 PM
concrete base in Beck's mind on Monday if he does actually return.
Reply With Quote

I predict fox does not allow his return, or Beck keeps him from talking on this point. I think Beck is going to be told to take it down a few notches before Monday's show. You'll see.

This problem with "us" is that we are always looking to a savior from the media instead of looking to ourselves. Do say I didn't warn you when you hopes are dashed by Beck.

2young2vote
02-22-2009, 02:12 PM
Your right it could go tribal. Each tribe might get together and form states. The states might want to form a confederated union. You're right, that might suck.


I don't think the US government will let the little tribes form a new country or states and i believe that it will lead to conflict and that is what i didn't want. It isn't a realistic idea. You know that as soon as the US government notices something that could "threaten" the citizens of the United states, they would come in and crush whoever they thought were the bad guys. And the majority of the citizens would probably be on the USAs side too because the media would most likely label the uprisers as terrorists.

If the USA peacefully let the people form their own states or countries then i would be for it but i really doubt it is going to happen peacefully.

It would make a totally cool book or movie but it just will not happen in Real life with todays technology and todays government.

pcosmar
02-22-2009, 02:19 PM
I don't think the US government will let the little tribes form a new country or states and i believe that it will lead to conflict and that is what i didn't want. It isn't a realistic idea. You know that as soon as the US government notices something that could "threaten" the citizens of the United states, they would come in and crush whoever they thought were the bad guys. And the majority of the citizens would probably be on the USAs side too because the media would most likely label the uprisers as terrorists.

If the USA peacefully let the people form their own states or countries then i would be for it but i really doubt it is going to happen peacefully.

It would make a totally cool book or movie but it just will not happen in Real life with todays technology and todays government.

You go to a public school don't you.
Your awakening is going to be rude.

tangent4ronpaul
02-22-2009, 02:21 PM
btw: Beck said he was inviting them to be on his RADIO show on Monday. Unless someone has heard something different. I don't think they are scheduled to be back on FOX on Monday.

Anyone know for sure?

-t