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Anti Federalist
02-18-2009, 09:13 PM
Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge (http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation_world/20090217_ap_massachusettsmayconsideramileagecharge .html)
GLEN JOHNSON

The Associated Press

BOSTON - A tentative plan to overhaul Massachusetts' transportation system by using GPS chips to charge motorists a quarter-cent for every mile behind the wheel has angered some drivers.

"It's outrageous, it's kind of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen. Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted legislation last week to prohibit the practice. "You'd need a whole new department of cronies just to keep track of it."

But a "Vehicle Miles Traveled" program like the one the governor may unveil this week has already been tested , with positive results , in Oregon.

Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island, as well as the federal government, also are talking about such programs. And in North Carolina, a panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.

"The Big Brother issue was identified during the first meeting of the task force that developed our program," said Jim Whitty, who oversees innovation projects for the Oregon Department of Transportation. "Everything we did from that point forward, even though we used electronics, was to eliminate those concerns."

A draft overhaul transport plan prepared for Gov. Deval Patrick says implementing a Vehicle Miles Traveled system to replace the gas tax makes sense. "A user-based system, collected electronically, is a fair way to pay for our transportation needs in the future," it says.

Patrick, who had yet to settle on any of the ideas contained in the draft, told reporters last week, "I like any idea that is faster, cheaper, simpler."

The idea behind the program is simple: As cars become more fuel efficient or powered by electricity, gas tax revenues decline. Yet the cost of building and maintaining roads and bridges is increasing. A state could cover that gap by charging drivers precisely for the mileage their vehicles put on public roads.

"There needs to be a new way of thinking about, `How do we pay for all of this?'" said Richard Dimino, president of A Better City, a business-friendly group that considers transportation issues.

"One of the ways is thinking about the automobile like a utility: When we turn on our automobile and use it, we would be charged like we do when we turn on the lights and we start using electricity."

In Oregon, the state paid volunteers who let the transportation department install GPS receivers in 300 vehicles. The device did not transmit a signal , which would allow real-time tracking of a driver's movements , but instead passively received satellite pings telling the receiver where it was in terms of latitude and longitude coordinates.

The state used those coordinates to determine when the vehicle was driving both within Oregon and outside the state. And it measured the respective distances through a connection with the vehicle's odometer.

When a driver pulled into a predetermined service station, the pump linked electronically with the receiver, downloaded the number of miles driven in Oregon and then charged the driver a fee based on the distance. The gas tax they would have paid was reduced by the amount of the user fee. Drivers continued to be charged gas tax for miles driven outside Oregon.

Under such systems, one of which is already used in London, drivers are charged more for entering a crowded area during rush hour than off-peak periods.

"What the mileage charge does, if it's structured properly, is simply charge for the basic responsibility of people to pay for the amount of wear they put on the state's roads," said Whitty, whose state is still considering the mechanics of broadening the program.

pinkmandy
02-18-2009, 09:15 PM
But, but...it's for the good of the environment! And if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide...





























:D

slacker921
02-18-2009, 09:20 PM
NC is considering something similar..

Hackers will have a field day with this. How long until the first person drives 1,000,000,000 miles in a month?

Rael
02-18-2009, 09:28 PM
NC is considering something similar..

Hackers will have a field day with this. How long until the first person drives 1,000,000,000 miles in a month?


Really? Can you give me a cite? Not saying your wrong, I just want to research that further

Edit: Nevermind, Google is a wonderful thing =P

pcosmar
02-18-2009, 09:34 PM
Really? Can you give me a cite? Not saying your wrong, I just want to research that further

Edit: Nevermind, Google is a wonderful thing =P

If it has a computer attached(especially an insecure one) hackers will have a field day with it.
It's their job.

Rael
02-18-2009, 09:42 PM
If it has a computer attached(especially an insecure one) hackers will have a field day with it.
It's their job.

Well, I won't put the damn thing on my car. Fuck em.

Zolah
02-18-2009, 09:51 PM
They've been discussing this in the UK for years too, luckily whenever it gets mentioned it gets shot down...but I'm still quite angry that congestion charged was pushed through.

cindy25
02-18-2009, 09:57 PM
they have been keeping track of miles for decades. when a car is inspected the milage is noted, unless you have the common sense to disconnect the odometer, or have it set back every year.

ihsv
02-18-2009, 10:02 PM
It's not so much how many miles you drive a year as it is where you are at any given time.

pcosmar
02-18-2009, 10:04 PM
they have been keeping track of miles for decades. when a car is inspected the milage is noted, unless you have the common sense to disconnect the odometer, or have it set back every year.

Mine hasn't worked in years. I just use the Tach.:p

Matt Collins
02-18-2009, 10:22 PM
A gas tax essentially does the same thing. Besides, this can be nullified by wrapping it in tin-foil and e-tape.

cindy25
02-18-2009, 10:29 PM
this is more about control than road useage. common sense a small car causes less road wear and tear than a large one. they want people to use their mass transit, and they will have a higher rate for cities than for rural areas.

slacker921
02-18-2009, 10:33 PM
Really? Can you give me a cite? Not saying your wrong, I just want to research that further

Edit: Nevermind, Google is a wonderful thing =P

sorry.. should have pointed people in a direction where they could find some more info. Matt Mittan has been covering it on his radio show for quite a while and has some info on his web site (http://www.mattcave.us/pages/hotTopics.html?feed=301649&article=4320032).

The new NC governor Bev Perdue (D) has said she sees the need for this because in the future there will be more vehicles on the road that are not filling up with gas (and therefore not paying the taxes for road maintenance, etc). It's not too hard to come up with alternatives to sticking a GPS device on all the cars, so maybe sanity will prevail. We can hope.