US Military Recruiting Illegal Aliens. Offer Amnesty for 6 months only service.

[Chosen]

Insanity.

Commentary Link (http://www.rightsidenews.com/200902153673/editorial/us-military-to-offer-amnesty-to-aliens-for-6-months-service.html)

Article Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html?_r=1&th&emc=th)
EXCERPT:

...But the new effort, for the first time since the Vietnam War, will open the armed forces to temporary immigrants if they have lived in the United States for a minimum of two years, according to military officials familiar with the plan.

Recruiters expect that the temporary immigrants will have more education, foreign language skills and professional expertise than many Americans who enlist, helping the military to fill shortages in medical care, language interpretation and field intelligence analysis.

“The American Army finds itself in a lot of different countries where cultural awareness is critical,” said Lt. Gen. Benjamin C. Freakley, the top recruitment officer for the Army, which is leading the pilot program. “There will be some very talented folks in this group.”

The program will begin small — limited to 1,000 enlistees nationwide in its first year, most for the Army and some for other branches. If the pilot program succeeds as Pentagon officials anticipate, it will expand for all branches of the military. For the Army, it could eventually provide as many as 14,000 volunteers a year, or about one in six recruits. ...
CONT


The key here to note is that all of the sudden they are called "temporary immigrants," not illegal aliens. If this happens, I will return every ounce of my military expertise against these communist authoritarian collectivists. The Pentagon is willing to violate the rule of law by mixing our fine military with peasant criminals! We are a professional military. This is the last straw.

[acptulsa]

What is surprising about this? We let them in to do our dirtiest jobs for less, and when those dried up or became so scarce that we'd do them ourselves, they became expendable and people got mad at them for being here. Meanwhile, here's the military with all this need for warm bodies...

How handy these people are! Their illegal status makes them so willing!

[Chosen]

What is surprising about this? We let them in to do our dirtiest jobs for less, and when those dried up or became so scarce that we'd do them ourselves, they became expendable and people got mad at them for being here. Meanwhile, here's the military with all this need for warm bodies...

How handy these people are! Their illegal status makes them so willing!Why do you insist on using the royal WE as if there has not been resistance to their exploitation of the rule of law all along.

I find that when people take this stance, it is to find a convenient pathway to avoidance of the 900lb Gorilla in the room. Ethnic National Socialists. The royal WE isn't so collective as you assume and to be perfectly honest you can keep your McCain Graham rhetoric to yourself.

[Kraig]

Insanity.

Commentary Link (http://www.rightsidenews.com/200902153673/editorial/us-military-to-offer-amnesty-to-aliens-for-6-months-service.html)

Article Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html?_r=1&th&emc=th)
EXCERPT:


The key here to note is that all of the sudden they are called "temporary immigrants," not illegal aliens. If this happens, I will return every ounce of my military expertise against these communist authoritarian collectivists. The Pentagon is willing to violate the rule of law by mixing our fine military with peasant criminals! We are a professional military. This is the last straw.

Professional at enacting injustice all over the world.

[acptulsa]

Why do you insist on using the royal WE as if there has not been resistance to their exploitation of the rule of law all along?

Just sort of playing devil's advocate, or more to the point, trying to demonstrate how the powers that be are thinking. What they are not thinking about is the great traditions that form the basis for the esprit de corps that each branch enjoys. Another thing they care nothing about is whether or not certain military people or military alumni become ashamed of what their branch of the military--and, indeed, the whole thing--has become.

Teddy Roosevelt was content to carry a big stick. Not the Bushes. And Obama seems to have no desire to bring the military back to a higher purpose at all. To these people the military is a tool. They care not what it is made of.

[Chosen]

While our military has depended upon foreign immigrants since our nation's founding, this experiment makes us vulnerable to infiltration by terrorists and gang-bangers. How does one expect an illegal alien to swear an oath to "...preserve, protect and defend..." the very Constitution and laws they are violating just by being here?

Of course this is logic and Obama supporters cannot understand this.

If this happens, I encourage all Patriots in the civilian sector and the military to rise against these communist authoritarian collectivists.

[fedup100]

This will be that same military that will be on the throat of the people on every corner very soon now. The illegals will relish that role.

[sratiug]

We have been walking in Rome's footsteps since Emporer Lincoln's reign of terror.

[pinkmandy]

“The Army will gain in its strength in human capital,” General Freakley said, “and the immigrants will gain their citizenship and get on a ramp to the American dream.”

Human capital. At least General FREAKley is being honest.

[Pericles]

When the French created the Foreign Legion, at least they were honest about the whole thing.

Meaning - we want to send an army to places we think are important, but not important enough to risk the lives of our own citizens. And we don't want those people mixed in with the rest of our soldiers and population.

[Feenix566]

Yay! Time for more xenophobia! Where do I sign up to hate Mexicans, too?

[phill4paul]

They are taking the jobs that Americans don't want.;)

[acptulsa]

Yay! Time for more xenophobia! Where do I sign up to hate Mexicans, too?

That isn't the problem. The problem is, when martial law is declared we'll suddenly have to worry about whether or not they hate us.

That said, I also said earlier that the politicians don't care what their fine tool is made of. Now, when they dull it by destroying the esprit de corps, they will. But it will likely be a whole new set of politicians by then...

More glorious moments in short-term thinking.

[Imperial]

They aren't recruiting illegal aliens...only those on Visa programs already, and they aren't even taking Spanish speakers...

[jkr]

cannon fodder for afganistan..pity. welcome to amerikkka

[Pericles]

That isn't the problem. The problem is, when martial law is declared we'll suddenly have to worry about whether or not they hate us.

That said, I also said earlier that the politicians don't care what their fine tool is made of. Now, when they dull it by destroying the esprit de corps, they will. But it will likely be a whole new set of politicians by then...

More glorious moments in short-term thinking.

This - at some point, the politicians tell the generals to fire on the crowd when the protests "get out of hand". When the troops that are told to do the shooting see their relatives, friends, and neighbors out there, they don't shoot. When the troops see a bunch of armed thugs bent on mindless violence, they restore order. When they see people with whom they have no connection, they shoot.

[sarahgop]

the military wont be worth much

[Freedom 4 all]

Who cares? Let em fight, cause I sure as hell ain't fighting for authoritarian collectivists. Anything that holds off the draft is fine by me.

[speciallyblend]

Yay! Time for more xenophobia! Where do I sign up to hate Mexicans, too?

Not one person including me ever said we hate mexicans. stop smoking your crack!!

I did not see anyone use the word hate in this thread or any thread.
if i missed a post,show me where someone said hate.

feenix so far you are trying to put words in peoples mouths and think for them.

can you show me a post where someone here said they hate mexicans REALLY? do show me?

[ihsv]

Foreigners are less concerned with shooting Americans than Americans would be.

[speciallyblend]

They aren't recruiting illegal aliens...only those on Visa programs already, and they aren't even taking Spanish speakers...


you said illegal you have xenophobia according to garp,oops i meant feenix566

[speciallyblend]

They are taking the jobs that Americans don't want.;)

yep, you are so right on that. i have many examples here in colorado. mexicans are not taking jobs. they are just taking jobs lazy ass americans will not work!!

[Zippyjuan]

They aren't recruiting illegal aliens...only those on Visa programs already, and they aren't even taking Spanish speakers...


Exactly. Legal aliens- not illegal ones.

[Chosen]

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=117979



Undocumented Soldiers (aka illegal aliens) infiltrate the US Military
Is the United States importing and training it's own insurgency of Aztlan warriors?

I have listened recently to open border amnesty advocates lionize immigrants that are serving in the military today. Some have given their life for America recently in Iraq and Afghanistan. All did so voluntarily. Always eager to prove just how good illegal aliens really are for America, I doubt they have bothered to check their immigration status. It is reasonable to assume they are unable to differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. The amnesty proponents use this example as a justification for all the illegal aliens in America today. I'm not sure exactly what logic they are applying to that standard. Out of the 30+ million illegal aliens in America today only a small percentage have served in the military. Some have served honorably but many have not. Americans of Mexican heritage have a proud tradition of serving in the military. When I was active in the Marines I met many. But today's generation of illegal alien gangbangers is another story. I assumed that all immigrants serving in the military today would be here legally and have a legal green card status. I found that assumption was incorrect - silly me. In fact, the number of undocumented soldiers (illegal aliens) serving on active duty is astounding.

An excellent article found in an Latino publication titled, Gang Members Get Trained in the Army http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=242c30e05913a8b642b8f 57ee7859d5a&from=rss , addresses the problem of this younger generation of gangbangers, many who are illegal aliens entering military service.

LOS ANGELES – While hundreds of Mexican soldiers are deserting the army to join drug trafficking gangs, California is facing the opposite problem: A growing number of gang members here have infiltrated the U.S. Armed Forces in order to receive military training.

"Many older gang members are taking care of their newer members so that they maintain a clean criminal record and thus can have unrestricted access to the Army or guns," says an anti-gang official. "We have noticed that in common crimes, gang members are forced to give the name of another member of the group that already has a record so that he gets written up and helps the others to remain clean."

The infiltration of gang members into the Armed Forces must be taken seriously because it represents an important risk for local and national security, says the former DEA agent.

The numbers of undocumented soldiers serving on active duty in our military is simply astounding. The following is from an article titled A Stunning Disclosure on Illegals in the Military http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_030104_Illegals,00.html?ESRC= dod.nl , written by Lt. Col. Matthew Dodd USMC for military.com.

"[T]he citizenship of 16,031 members of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines is listed as 'unknown.' That's about one in 100 active-duty military members who might be U.S. citizens, legal immigrants - or just about anybody else."

And to make matters even worse they know some of these are in fact illegal aliens that enlisted using fraudulent documents. Since they do not know their status they could even be terrorists enlisting in our military. After the events of 9/11, I find this oversight astonishingly negligent.

"The case of an Army private from Mexico, who enlisted using a fake green card and then served in Iraq, suggests some of the unknowns could be illegal immigrants. The military has no set procedure for handling these cases. U.S. congressional leaders are looking into the matter ... Some experts see a security risk. Military officials say they've had few problems so far, but the 9/11 terrorist attacks raised concerns."
Many of the illegal aliens enlisting in our military are also members of some of the most dangerous gangs in America today. It is estimated that "Latino gangs" in particular are comprised of 60 to 70% illegal aliens. Some of the most violent criminal gangs like the Mexican Mafia, MS-13, and the Latin Kings now have members serving on active duty in our military. A recently unclassified FBI report entitled, Gang Activity in the U.S. Armed Forces Increasing http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/gangs.htm studies the impact of gangs in the military. While the military acknowledges the problem they also seem to be trying to minimize up the extent of this infiltration. A CYA policy for career minded officers no doubt.

"The extent of gang presence in the armed services is often difficult to determine since many enlisted gang members conceal their gang affiliation and military authorities may not recognize gang affiliation or may be inclined not to report such incidences."

The following incidences from the same FBI report, detail some of the criminal activities that gang members were known to be involved in while on active duty.

In June 2006 an incarcerated US Army soldier and active gang member identified 60 to 70 gang-affiliated military personnel in his unit allegedly involved in the theft and sale of military equipment and weapons. The solider reported that many of the military personnel in charge of ammunition and grenade distribution are sergeants who are active gang members.

A May 2006 interview with a former Marine and Gangster Disciple member incarcerated in Colorado detailed how easily soldiers-many of whom were gang members-stole military weapons and equipment and used them on the streets of US cities or sold them to civilian gang members. (He also) discussed the advantages of military training and how it assists gang members in bank robberies, home invasions, and confrontations with police.

In December 2005 a National Guard soldier allegedly smuggled several machine guns back from Iraq and sold them to a gun dealer in Georgia, according to open-source information.

A 2006 news interview revealed that a Marine, who was a King Cobra member, stationed at MCAS Camp Pendleton, taught members of his gang how to engage in military-style ambushes and how to position themselves for tactical advantage. He further admitted that he joined the Marines "to learn how to shoot guns."

The most unnerving part of this story to me is that not only are illegal aliens serving in the military but some are also members of the most dangerous Latino gangs operating in America today. They enlist not to serve America and defend our liberties and earn citizenship, but to receive free military training and access to weapons. They return to their gangs to share their military training with other gang members. Many are involved not only in criminal activities while in the military but stealing military equipment for the gangs themselves. Gang leaders often groom and keep their younger members out of trouble so they won't have a rap sheet and can enlist easily. They also use fraudulent documents when necessary.

An article from the Chicago Tribune in 2006 called FBI Probes Military Gangs http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,96056,00.html describes how younger members are groomed to enter the military.

Of particular concern are reports that the Folk Nation, consisting of more than a dozen gangs in the Chicago area, is placing young members in the military in an effort to gather information about weapons and tactics, said FBI Special Agent Andrea Simmons, who is based in El Paso, Texas.

"Our understanding is that they find members without a criminal history so that they can join, and once they get out, they will have a new set of skills that they can apply to criminal enterprises," Simmons said. "This could be a concern for any law enforcement agency that has to deal with gangs on a daily basis."

Tom Tancredo raised this point with General Petraeus during a recent Congressional hearing. Petraeus appeared to not be aware of the problem and growing threat. After 9/11 it is mind boggling that our military would not be more strict about it's enlistment policies. The Army and Navy appear to be the most lax but the US Marine Corps is not without it's own problems. Some recent news stories involved active duty Marines. In 2005 a Marine, Lance Corporal Andres Raya killed a cop and wounded three others in Ceres, California. His military training was used with deadly effect as he ambushed the officers. According to police, he was an active member of a Mexican gang, the Nortenos, which is affiliated with the Mexican Mafia. Just recently a Marine was shot by Mexican authorities while apparently running a roadblock while on leave in Mexico. That story continues to unravel. In 2007, Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean who was stationed in North Carolina, raped and then killed his accuser and unborn child. He then fled to Mexico to hide from authorities. While the media does not identify them as such nevertheless this is what they are, illegal aliens serving in our military.

The problems of gangs, and I am speaking specifically of Latino gangs in this case, operating with impunity across America is in and of itself a major security threat to our society and our law enforcement officials. President Bush has done virtually nothing to protect Americans from this growing threat. In fact he has encouraged it. It is the direct result of an open border amnesty policy that is blind to the negative repercussions of allowing millions of illegal aliens to cross the border and enter our society. Amnesty proponents turn a blind eye and ignore the problems citing "Latino rights." They are criminally negligent in my opinion. The fact that illegal aliens (foreign nationals) are intentionally entering the military to receive military training that they then bring back to their gangs raises the level of threat that they represent to our society. They are more deadly and one needs to ask at what point do they become such a threat to our own national security that we will have to employ our own military against them? When we do, what will be the allegiance of those still serving. Will they become internal saboteurs?

A MILNET article titled Hispanic Gangs http://www.milnet.com/mex-nat.html covers the subject of gangs thoroughly. It references many sources including the 2006 House Report titled, A Line in the Sand http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf . There are well over 100,000 Latino Gang members operating in America and they are spreading. They bring a level of violence and crime into our society that is unprecedented. The most powerful of these, the Mexican Mafia is considered to have over 50,000 members allied with it. They call themselves "Aztlan warriors" and are dedicated to La Reconquista, the return of the southwest to Mexican control. Illegal aliens that are members of these gangs are currently receiving military training from us. These are known as blood in, blood out gangs, meaning that you cannot leave them alive. They will kill you if you try. At what point does the threat become a national security concern to our politicians and leaders? In my opinion the needed attention is long overdue. Now that there are this many illegal aliens in America, what are we going to do? The government has neither the political will or ability to round them up and sort out the good for bad ones. Hence my opinion that we should just deport them all.

"On March 15, 2005, the Department of Homeland Security finally made headlines by highlighting the national epidemic of illegal aliens found in Latino gangs. Unfortunately, the story isn't making a very big splash and the problem worsens. The case in question is the nationwide arrest and detainment of some 100 illegal aliens who are Mexican national members of the Mara Salvaturcha or MS-13, a gang that had its start as El Salvadorian prison inmates. Some of those arrested are repeat "returnees" -- illegals who have more than once been deported and then illegally crossed into the U.S. once again. 1 The case clearly spells out the ease in which illegals can routinely cross into the U.S. Moreover, it points out that if a deportee can recross easily, there is literally nothing to stop an international terrorist.

Combined with a clearly insane political correctness displayed by some cities in the U.S., the problem is nearing the point of pitting cities against the U.S. government. Make no mistake, this is the largest threat to you and your family in this country, outweighing every terrorist organization's threat, including Al-Qaeda, yet virtually nothing is being done about it. Even a very well laid out and logical plea from researcher Heather MacDonald in 2004 has not seemed to attract the attention of politicos, and the latest events culminate decades of suicidal behavior of our politicians. It is time to put an end to this insanity, and it appears our politicians are not hearing from their constituents on the subject, or worse, are ignoring the problem despite the will of the American People."

People that have really studied the problem of illegal immigration are very familiar with the concept of Aztlan and the La Reconquista movement. Will these military trained gang members (Aztlan warriors) become the backbone of a well trained military insurgency in our own country? Will they fight for Aztlan and the return of southwest United States to Mexico? Are we importing and arming revolutionary criminals that in 5 or 10 years will launch an armed insurgency similar to what we are now fighting in Iraq? Will they ally themselves with radical Muslim extremists for a united front against the United States of America. I am very concerned that this is exactly what will happen. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think it is prudent for America to ignore a developing problem like this.

On college campuses across America today there is a growing La Raza, MEChA, Mexica Movement that uses American tax dollars to subsidize the spreading of the subversive philosophies of the return to Aztlan. This ironically is financed by American tax payer dollars and Congressional grants, sponsored by foolish liberals like Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy. Using the smokescreen of federally funded Chicano studies programs, MEChA spreads it's racist subversive treason.

It has become very chic for amnesty proponents to laud immigrants that serve in the military. McCain in particular does it religiously. I thought that he was being dishonest by calling them immigrants. It turns out he was partially right. There are legal immigrants serving in our military. There are also illegal alien gang members and Aztlan warriors there as well. The fact that he does not see that as a problem is almost as disturbing as the fact that they are actually in the military. Well there they are - doing the jobs that Americans won't do anymore.

While one can appreciate the sacrifice that some immigrants may make - it is downright disturbing to see the deadly ramifications of allowing this many undocumented soldiers into our military. The good that may come from a few in no way offsets the negatives that are very apparent. The potential dangers are immense. Even if it is only to strengthen local gangs ability to endanger more citizens and local law enforcement. For that reason alone it should be stopped immediately. Apparently the Bush administration is asleep at the wheel as well or they are so distracted by affairs in Iraq that they have overlooked it. Perhaps in their haste to create a North American Union, a North American consciousness, they have overlooked the fact that they are importing an internal revolution.

Even our so called security expert, John McAmnesty, doesn't seem to care about the problems of allowing illegal aliens into our country alone, never mind the military. I'm concerned that the military training we give them will be turned against us in the not so distant future. In a few years when we are fighting an internal terrorist insurgency of illegal aliens for the control of our southwest states, I guess we can be proud of the fact that not only did we import a revolution but we also provide the necessary training and arms they needed as well. Is that the American dream? Equal opportunity for subversive revolutionaries? The self-deceived fools in America have not only imported the danger but they have financed and supported it's growth and lauded subversive foreign agents when they infiltrate our military as well.

So the next time you hear McCain, Bush, Obama or some other fool politician lauding immigrants that serve in the military, you should be aware of that you are listening to a complete idiot that doesn't have a clue. Illegal aliens are foreign nationals and many are a danger that we have allowed to become our domestic problem. Don't think for a minute that this weakness has escaped the attention of the communists in China and Cuba as well as radical Islamic extremists in Iran and Hezbollah. Our southern border is the Achilles heal of our national security and everybody knows it. When the Aztlan warriors of the Mexican Mafia and the EZLN and EPR communist revolutionaries join forces with AL-Qaeda terrorists and radical Islam, then Americans are really going to have their hands full. There will be blood running in the once peaceful streets of America as it is now in Mexico. We will be fighting for our own survival.

The article below shows the links of the drug cartels in Mexico that are currently wrecking havoc in both Mexico and America to Iran and Russian Mafia figures. The Chinese are just as involved in stirring the pot. There were 500 people killed this month alone with 6 Americans murdered in Mexico. The casualties are just starting to mount. You should keep in mind the the Los Zetas http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=3394374 which have turned out to be such deadly killers for the drug cartels were trained by the US Army. We are now training a new generation of murderous gang members. The drug cartels work together with gangs like the Mexican Mafia to smuggle drugs and illegal aliens into America.

Mexican Drug Cartels And Terrorist Are Recruiting For More Fighters To Train As Soldiers
http://ezinearticles.com/?Mexican-Drug-Cartels-And-Terrorist-Are-Recruiting-For-More-Fighters-To-Train-As-Soldiers&id=1115384

Does this mean that all illegal aliens in the military are gang members and potential murderers? That would be my conclusion. Call it racial profiling if you want, I call it being honest. They certainly do not belong in our military. It does show a pattern which almost everybody wants to ignore. Now why is that? Because the elite that really run America want open borders and unrestricted immigration. America's national security is not a high priority of Washington or Wall Street and apparently common sense is in short supply as well.

According to the 2006 House report A Line in the Sand http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf , 1.2 million illegal aliens are apprehended at the border every year. Another 4-10 million make it through into America every year. You do the math and see what you get. By my count with those figures we have had at least 21 million illegal aliens enter America since 2001. The 12 million figure used by the open border amnesty gang is a lie. They are trying to hide the truth of the numbers from the American people. At what point are the American people going to say enough is enough and close the border. Do we really need another terrorist attack or a war to do that? I should hope not.
http://justbuildthefence.blogspot.com/2008/06/undocumented-soldiers-aka-illegal.html

[Chosen]

Our New Mercenary Army of Illegal Aliens

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/news-feed-archive/1168-update-our-new-mercenary-armyof-illegal-aliens

EXCERPT:

Written by Jim Capo
Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:00


It's old news that the U.S. Selective Service System requires illegal immigrants to register for the draft. But it's still a slap in the face for concerned citizens when they read in bold print our government's wanton disregard for its own laws.

Go to any U.S. post office and pick up a Selective Service registration form. The chart inside identifying who must register for the draft clearly lists: "Undocumented (illegal) aliens." (Keep in mind that males between the ages of 18-25 are not an insignificant demographic element within our illegal alien population.)

If a visit to your local post office is too far out of your way just to get infuriated, you can go to the antiquated web site of Selective Service. The following is from their homepage (emphasis in the orginal):

ATTENTION, UNDOCUMENTED MALES
& IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!
If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know...

Selective Service does not collect any information which would indicate whether or not you are undocumented. You want to protect yourself for future U.S. citizenship and other government benefits and programs by registering with Selective Service. Do it today.

Can our imperial government, currently headquartered in Washington, DC, be any more blatant in stating its intention to trash the rule of law?
CONTINUED

[Chosen]

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By Matthew Dodd

Every now and then, I read or hear something that just stops me dead in my tracks. Sometimes I break out in laughter, sometimes I scream out in anguish, and sometimes I break down and feel like crying.

On rare occasions, I find myself with all those reactions. On very rare occasions, those reactions are almost lost in a cacophony of a multitude of rapid-fire involuntary reactions that include pride, relief, anger, frustration, motivation, inspiration and blatant disbelief. An article in The Denver Post on Feb. 24 that the U.S. military does not know the citizenship status of 16,031 active-duty military personnel provided me with my latest "very rare occasion."

In a recent article ("The Illegal Immigration Threat," DefenseWatch, Jan. 14, 2004), I talked about a 19-year old illegal alien who used a bogus green card to enlist in the Army, and how the Army was going to help facilitate getting him citizen status. (The Army's efforts did result in that soldier being sworn in as a U.S. citizen.) Little did I know at the time that that soldier was literally just the latest tip on a monolithic iceberg.

Let me share with you excerpts from the Denver Post article and my varied reactions to them:

The Denver Post article reported:

"[T]he citizenship of 16,031 members of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines is listed as 'unknown.' That's about one in 100 active-duty military members who might be U.S. citizens, legal immigrants - or just about anybody else."

Reaction: I am stunned, completely dumbfounded. I do not know what is worse: the fact that we have so many "unknowns" serving, or that they are serving despite the fact that we apparently have reasonably accurate statistics about them.

Think about the logic trail for a moment. For each case, someone knew enough about the individual to decide that he or she was an "unknown," someone had to enter the "unknown" data into some sort of database, someone had to be responsible for gathering that data, someone had to need that data for some reason (or else why would we track the data in the first place?), so someone had to see these staggering "unknown" totals, yet nobody apparently cared enough about the potential threat of these "unknowns" in our post-9/11 world until the Denver Post reporter showed up and found out. Continuing:

"U.S. military officials say they are shoring up defenses against illegal immigrants and others who may misrepresent themselves and join the armed services."



Reaction: If we are "shoring up defenses," that means that we recognize a vulnerability in our systems. Who came up with these systems in the first place? Who had the position, authority, and responsibility for the integrity of those systems? Why was not anything done about a serious problem that has been around for a long, long time? Continuing again:

"The Army has the highest number of unknowns - 9,055. The Navy has 6,531, the Air Force 444, the Marines one. Overall, 1,366,032 U.S. citizens and 35,662 legal immigrants serve in the U.S. military."

Reaction: As a career Marine officer, I am damn proud that the Marine Corps only has one "unknown" (which is one too many) and for the fact that the Corps has met its recruiting goals for over 100 straight months. I am also scared and disgusted to read how the U.S. military has enough "unknowns" to man a standard Marine division. The article goes on:

"The case of an Army private from Mexico, who enlisted using a fake green card and then served in Iraq, suggests some of the unknowns could be illegal immigrants. The military has no set procedure for handling these cases. U.S. congressional leaders are looking into the matter ... Some experts see a security risk. Military officials say they've had few problems so far, but the 9/11 terrorist attacks raised concerns."

Reaction: I believe it is safe to say that at least some of the unknowns are illegal immigrants. The military does have a set procedure for handling illegal and fraudulent enlistments; it is called discharge proceedings. I do not consider myself an expert, and I hope we do not need experts to see a security risk of having undocumented persons in our military ranks. Lastly, someone needs to fire those military officials whose concerns after the 9/11-raised terrorist attacks have resulted in only identifying an unacceptable amount of "unknowns" in our ranks. Then the article notes:

"Military officials check birth certificates, green cards or Social Security numbers to verify whether new recruits are legally in the country, said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Jane Campbell, a U.S. Defense Department spokeswoman ... 'We hope to enhance those in the future, and are looking to do that in coordination with other government agencies,' she said. 'We want to make the process better.' Among new military initiatives: Start checking Social Security numbers given by recruits - as diligent employers sometimes do."

Reaction: How can someone have the guts to say that what we are doing allows us to "verify whether new recruits are legally in the country," when we have over 16,000 "unknown" service members already? I am sure glad to be part of a 21st century transforming military that comes up with such out-of-the-box security ideas like becoming more like diligent civilian employers and actually start checking Social Security numbers given by recruits! Maybe we can also just ask the recruits if they are illegal aliens. But, I wonder if that is a violation of another "Don't ask, don't tell" policy. The article continues:

"Data on citizenship in the military, provided by the Army, comes from September 2003. Military officials were unable to explain why the citizenship of so many is hazy. 'Of the number we have that are unknowns, I'm sure that some are citizens and some may not be citizens,' said Lt. Col. Stan Heath, spokesman for the U.S. Army Human Resources Command ... 'We just don't know' how many may be illegal, Heath said. 'We're trying to clean up the database to make sure we have a good accountability. We are working on it.'

He downplayed security worries. 'I haven't heard of any incident where a soldier of unknown origin has done something to be concerned about.'"

Reaction: Why talk to an Army spokesman about how "unknowns" get into the Army, instead of talking to a Marine spokesman about how "unknowns" do not get into the Marine Corps? If the reporter recognized "unknowns" as an issue that needed to be reported on, why did he choose to focus more on the problem vice the solution? I am sorry, but I now have absolutely no respect for the incompetent U.S. Army Human Resources Command. Lastly, Lt. Col. Heath's complacency about the potential threat posed by undocumented persons in the United States is eerily reminiscent of the mindset that helped permit the 9/11 attacks against our homeland. The article then states:

"Illegal immigrants are common in the United States - the government estimates there are more than 8 million - and institutions struggle to adapt. U.S. law bars employers from knowingly hiring the undocumented ... Yet 'with regard to homeland security and terrorism, it's pretty obvious that this is a critical kind of position. You should want to know the status of who is serving in the military' [said immigration scholar Noah Pickus, director of the Institute for Emerging Issues at North Carolina State University]."

Reaction: Yeah, I feel real secure knowing there are more than 8 million illegal aliens in my country. Well, Mr. Pickus gets my M.O.T.O. award (Master Of The Obvious) for seeing the connection between illegal aliens and homeland security. In case anyone was wondering, you do not need any advanced degrees from any university, nor should you have to consider the threat to homeland security from illegal aliens as an "emerging issue." The article then reveals:

"U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials defer to the military in handling illegal immigrants. 'If a military branch decides not to prosecute an individual for fraudulent entry, then they are considered eligible' to become citizens, Homeland Security spokesman Chris Bentley said."

Reaction: The law bars employers from knowingly hiring the undocumented, but does it allow employers to continue to keep the undocumented on their payrolls after they discover their illegal status? I learn something new every day: I did not know the military was in the decision-making process for immigration issues. When Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge talks about the need for increased cooperation among federal, state and local agencies to increase our homeland security, I do not think he had envisioned such "helpful" cooperation. The article continues:

"By May, military officials should begin new checks on the immigration status of recruits, said Gaylan Johnson, spokesman for the U.S. Military Entrance Processing Command... In the future, recruiters will conduct 'prescreening.' Then other federal authorities will conduct background reviews including electronic cross-checking of names and Social Security numbers with the federal Social Security administration, Johnson said... A better system has been in the works 'for years,' he said. 'It got accelerated after 9/11.' "

Reaction: In my opinion, the "future" Mr. Johnson described should already be history. Yeah, 9/11 really accelerated his "better system." And to think I thought it was slow.

After reading and reflecting on the Denver Post article, I found myself exhausted - mentally, physically, and emotionally drained. The threat of illegal aliens in our country and in our military is serious, and so is the unnecessary risk of literally being stopped dead in our complacent tracks.

Lt. Col. Matthew Dodd USMC is a Senior Editor of DefenseWatch.

[Chosen]

Why would you think that someone who does not follow our laws, does not respect our sovereignty and thinks that rules do not apply to them should be allowed in the military?

You want these people in the military:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIW-BZ8oLrk

[coyote_sprit]

People are reaching there breaking point.

[Pericles]

Funny you should mention Soldiers For The Truth as I have written for them (under my real name), not as Pericles:D

[Chosen]

Here are some LEGAL and Illegals who RINOS wish to have in the military:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitptd2-tV4

Legal and Illegal High School Students showing their respect for the American Flag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--BY0Lc92KU

La Raza Unida Homes. These are the folks RINOS want in the military, both LEGAL and ILLEGAL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeTD3cNBnBU


Great Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMwLq8tMfs

[cindy25]

until today the British army recruits Ghurkas in Nepal, and also recruits in Fiji.

and until the 90s the US Navy recruited Filipinos, using their base in the Philippines.

I don't see anything wrong with setting up recruiting centers in Mexico and elsewhere.

[Chosen]

until today the British army recruits Ghurkas in Nepal, and also recruits in Fiji.

and until the 90s the US Navy recruited Filipinos, using their base in the Philippines.

I don't see anything wrong with setting up recruiting centers in Mexico and elsewhere.

You logic makes absolutely no sense.

Nepal was a British colony, as was India where they recruited as well. All of the places which formed British Regiments were under British colonial authority.

The United States NEVER recruited Filipinos because of Subic Bay in the Philippines.

But again this is not even intelligent enough for me to address. If you cannot see anything wrong with the US setting up French Foreign Legion style recruitment centers all over the world, I question your presence here.