Didn't Ron Paul say we used to have the #1 healthcare system?

[nbhadja]

Before the government got involved in the 70s I believe. He has mentioned this before hasn't he?

[smithtg]

its in his book

i just read that chapter again last night

[nbhadja]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html
Nevermind just found it.

[nbhadja]

Some "Ron Paul" supporter just sent me this message on facebook

"Hi,

As a fellow Ron Paul supporter, I came across your post. But I must point out, you are posting some very serious misconceptions in regars to the US health care system. Please take the time to research it on your own. We were never number one for health care. We were always far behind number one - medicaid is the only reason we are number 43 instead of down with the third world nations, which is where we were before it existed

We have the worst system in terms of affordability, time to see specialists, and overall health of citizens. Every country with universal health care far outshines us. And we're ten times better than we were before medicaid came into play if you count everyone, instead of just the wealthy, white landowners that most people cite when referring to the changes in health status before and after medicaid

Sure, its not where it should be. But you do no help to the Paul cause by spreading rumours that are as far from the truth as one could possibly get. All that does is turn people away who would otherwise support. After all, who is going to want to stay and learn about a politican, whose supports post blatant lies about the facts that anyone can look up and see are lies?"

She sounds like a socialist and against everything Ron Paul stands for. I gave her the article to read.

[nbhadja]

Can anyone find me statistics about it? I can't find any.

[Jeremy]

We used to be #1 in like everything before government intervention

Well this isn't hard to understand at all.

If you need small government to have freedom and freedom to have prosperity, you need small government to have prosperity.

[Arklatex]

Hah, that dude should visit a 3rd world country and see if he still thinks we're 43rd.

[Bman]

It may be worth explaining also how our government spends more on health care than any other country and still is not at the top of the list.

There should be whole educational courses based soley on the law of diminishing returns.

[psalm82x3]

Can anyone find me statistics about it? I can't find any.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_lif_exp_hea_yea-health-life-expectancy-healthy-years

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_lif_exp_at_bir_mal-health-life-expectancy-birth-male

[lynnf]

don't look now, but our medical system is about to get much worse - courtesy of the false "stimulus" package

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88457

Stimulus contains rationed medicine
'Safe, effective' treatments soon to be limited by 'cost'


"The former lieutenant governor of New York is warning that the $50 billion that President Obama expects to spend in the next few years on a nationwide digital health records system for every individual easily could, and probably will, result in rationed medical care.

...

Now Betsy McCaughey, former lieutenant governor in New York and an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, has released a commentary warning about the likelihood of rationed care – or a health care system that simply provides treatment when it determines the cost-benefit ratio for the treatment and the patient meets its guidelines. "

...

lynn

[tangent4ronpaul]

Can anyone find me statistics about it? I can't find any.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_ 2005.html

[Lucille]

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs)


The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Democrats (socialists) are ghouls. They cannot kill enough babies or elderly.