View Full Version : Focus on votes, nothing else.
Matt Collins
09-13-2007, 11:49 AM
Everyone here including myself wants to change the US (and even the world) for the better. The best way to accomplish this is to get RP elected.
The ONLY thing that matters in getting him elected are votes; nothing else.
We don't need to change people's minds about politics because most of them don't care. We don't need to 'educate' anyone. We don't need to get people ready to overthrow the government. All we need to do is get people to commit to vote for Ron Paul.
Our goal should be narrow and focused: GET VOTES FOR RON PAUL. It's really just that simple.
Oh - and by the way, less than 30% of voters are proficient on the Internet. This means we need traditional media, and campaigns targeting door-to-door geographical neighborhoods with feet on the ground. It's personal salesmanship in it's most basic form.
Matt Collins
09-13-2007, 02:54 PM
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Matt Collins
10-12-2007, 10:14 PM
Bump
ronpaulfan
10-12-2007, 10:17 PM
Laptop Brigade :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKsKY6Gmc3M
itsnobody
10-12-2007, 10:32 PM
Uhm don't forget donations
Matt Collins
11-24-2007, 08:32 PM
If we get people willing to vote, then the donations will follow
ItsTime
11-24-2007, 08:32 PM
BINGO
If we get people willing to vote, then the donations will follow
LibertyEagle
11-24-2007, 08:33 PM
We also need delegates very badly, right now.
Matt Collins
11-27-2007, 11:32 PM
We also need delegates very badly, right now.
What's our status on that?
PrimarilyPaul
11-27-2007, 11:35 PM
Votes in the primary! Register Republican today!
Everyone here including myself wants to change the US (and even the world) for the better. The best way to accomplish this is to get RP elected.
The ONLY thing that matters in getting him elected are votes; nothing else.
We don't need to change people's minds about politics because most of them don't care. We don't need to 'educate' anyone.
And what should we do? Just tell them to vote for RP, and they'll do it?
Of course we need to change the people's minds about 'politics as usual', especially the apathetic.
Of course we need to 'educate' people on the issues ect.
How do you propose we get people to vote for RP WITHOUT educating them?
Matt Collins
11-28-2007, 12:00 AM
How do you propose we get people to vote for RP WITHOUT educating them?Most voters vote on several superficial factors:
- looks
- personality
- perceived integrity
- sound bites
etc
MOST voters don't study or even understand the issues.
Most voters vote on several superficial factors:
- looks
- personality
- perceived integrity
- sound bites
etc
MOST voters don't study or even understand the issues.
Sure, the 'brainwashed masses".
That's WHY, it's CRITICAL to get their attention and educate them on serious issues.
It doesn't have to be a college course, it could be a 'slim jim'.
It's about teaching people what's up.
Why do you think is the RP movement growing so fast?
People are waking up and learning.
You didn't answer the question How do we get them to vote for RP?
You just repeated the old mantra of 'people don't care', they vote on 'looks', personality ect.
Nowadays for example, with children dying, again, in an necessary war, people are beginning to care, a LOT, like back in the Vietnam era.
(I was alive during Vietnam (born in 1959), my brother went there and came home never to be the same.)
Our ONLY hope is educating people on what the options are, and who can implement the solutions. (RP)
All you seem to be saying is people don't care. I don't believe it, because once they are affected at home, economy, war ect, they DO act.
How do you think the RP Revolution began?
A few people, educating and waking up others, and it's become viral.
Because once people are educated and wake up, most care and take action.
Especially when it affects them personally.
austin356
11-28-2007, 12:33 AM
Everyone here including myself wants to change the US (and even the world) for the better. The best way to accomplish this is to get RP elected.
The ONLY thing that matters in getting him elected are votes; nothing else.
We don't need to change people's minds about politics because most of them don't care. We don't need to 'educate' anyone. We don't need to get people ready to overthrow the government. All we need to do is get people to commit to vote for Ron Paul.
Our goal should be narrow and focused: GET VOTES FOR RON PAUL. It's really just that simple.
Oh - and by the way, less than 30% of voters are proficient on the Internet. This means we need traditional media, and campaigns targeting door-to-door geographical neighborhoods with feet on the ground. It's personal salesmanship in it's most basic form.
YES. If Ron Paul supporters were politically experienced they would not need to be told this. And we would be twice, maybe three times as high in the polls of typical people now.
And what should we do? Just tell them to vote for RP, and they'll do it?
Of course we need to change the people's minds about 'politics as usual', especially the apathetic.
Of course we need to 'educate' people on the issues ect.
How do you propose we get people to vote for RP WITHOUT educating them?
Sorry to be blunt but this is just ignorance of basic political campaigning 101.
RULE ONE = NEVER try to "educate" the voter
5% of the population already agrees with you and thinks like you. They are likely already Paul supporters.
5% of the population hates what you stand for and will never come to your side. Let them be.
90% of the population does not give a damn either way. They want to do their "duty" and vote for the guy that best suits their interest and their country's interest, but beyond that they dont give a damn. They dont want to be "educated" about YOUR ISSUES.
NEVER Try to EDUCATE potential voters. You should always stick to informing them about Ron Paul's direct stance on THEIR ISSUES. This means under most circumstances just parroting what is on the slim jims, website, and other official campaign means of communication.
I must say as a libertarian, this is why Libertarians never win. They always try to make the potential voter believe like they do, instead of just getting his/her vote.
Remember, if you are reading this forum you have a completely different thought process on these subjects than the average person. You are in the 5%. If you want to win you must think like the 95%
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austin356
11-28-2007, 12:52 AM
Sure, the 'brainwashed masses".
That's WHY, it's CRITICAL to get their attention and educate them on serious issues.
It doesn't have to be a college course, it could be a 'slim jim'.
It's about teaching people what's up.
Why do you think is the RP movement growing so fast?
People are waking up and learning.
You didn't answer the question How do we get them to vote for RP?
You just repeated the old mantra of 'people don't care', they vote on 'looks', personality ect.
Nowadays for example, with children dying, again, in an necessary war, people are beginning to care, a LOT, like back in the Vietnam era.
(I was alive during Vietnam (born in 1959), my brother went there and came home never to be the same.)
Our ONLY hope is educating people on what the options are, and who can implement the solutions. (RP)
All you seem to be saying is people don't care. I don't believe it, because once they are affected at home, economy, war ect, they DO act.
How do you think the RP Revolution began?
A few people, educating and waking up others, and it's become viral.
Because once people are educated and wake up, most care and take action.
Especially when it affects them personally.
Oh my where to begin?
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Now dont get me wrong, this does not mean INFORMING the potential voter of RON PAUL'S stance is wrong. Oh quite the contrary; it is what we should be doing.
Informing is stating "Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a Tax increase"
Educating is stating "Ron Paul wants to end most Federal taxation cause he thinks our ................."
Matt Collins
11-28-2007, 12:59 AM
Sorry to be blunt but this is just ignorance of basic political campaigning 101. That 5 hour lecture paid off ;)
austin356
11-28-2007, 01:06 AM
That 5 hour lecture paid off ;)
10 hours down here :D:D:D;);)
Also Mark, I went back and read my posts...... I think I came across with a lot more animosity than was intended. Sorry about that.
90% of the population does not give a damn either way. They want to do their "duty" and vote for the guy that best suits their interest and their country's interest, but beyond that they dont give a damn. They dont want to be "educated" about YOUR ISSUES.
NEVER Try to EDUCATE potential voters. You should always stick to informing them about Ron Paul's direct stance on THEIR ISSUES. This means under most circumstances just parroting what is on the slim jims, website, and other official campaign means of communication.
Waking people up? My God do you not understand this is a PRESIDENTIAL Campaign? If I did not know better and just read this post out of the blue, I would think RP is the leader of a activists group seeking the nomination for President of some far out wacko filled organization. "waking people up"? Has that ever been discussed as real strategy for a viable candidate for any real public office?
Now dont get me wrong, this does not mean INFORMING the potential voter of RON PAUL'S stance is wrong. Oh quite the contrary; it is what we should be doing.
Informing is stating "Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a Tax increase"
Educating is stating "Ron Paul wants to end most Federal taxation cause he thinks our ................."
Your argument against what I said is based in semantics?
Ok, we need to inform them then.
"Waking people up", a bad choice of words for you again?
I was just making a point that to get people to vote for RP takes more than telling them to do so.
Educate, inform, what's the REAL difference? None.
A teacher informs the class on how 1+1=2, or, she educates them. Whateva.
You define "educate" as some huge thing, and I just used that word because it was used in the post.
If he had said 'inform', I would have used 'inform'.
Oh, no kidding, this is a PRESIDENTIAL campaign? Oh, now I get it.
And, I mentioned 'slim jims', remember?
"It doesn't have to be a college course, it could be a 'slim jim'."
If you want to be particular about semantics, fine, but try to understand a point before you dis it.
He basically answered "people don't care', and I believe they do, once they know, and/or it affects them personally.
You said 90% vote on their and countries interests. Really?
Then we should get busy waking them up to the facts of the RP platform, and educate them on his issues and stances.
Or we need to wake them from their slumber of apathy, and inform them about the platform.
Whatever 'play on words' makes you happy, as long as it's done.
10 hours down here :D:D:D;);)
Also Mark, I went back and read my posts...... I think I came across with a lot more animosity than was intended. Sorry about that.
No bad, I'm just like "man", I was just making a simple point that we need to, do something, to get them to vote for Dr Paul.
I wasn't trying to get all "word perfect" up in here at 2:00am in the morning. ;)
davidhperry
11-28-2007, 01:19 AM
Everyone here including myself wants to change the US (and even the world) for the better. The best way to accomplish this is to get RP elected.
The ONLY thing that matters in getting him elected are votes; nothing else.
We don't need to change people's minds about politics because most of them don't care. We don't need to 'educate' anyone. We don't need to get people ready to overthrow the government. All we need to do is get people to commit to vote for Ron Paul.
Our goal should be narrow and focused: GET VOTES FOR RON PAUL. It's really just that simple.
Oh - and by the way, less than 30% of voters are proficient on the Internet. This means we need traditional media, and campaigns targeting door-to-door geographical neighborhoods with feet on the ground. It's personal salesmanship in it's most basic form.
Yes, let's heed every word. People love Ron Paul once they hear about him but well over half the population doesn't even know who he is! The clock is running out.
As awesome as the money bombs will be, the news coverage will only hit a portion of the population.
The best thing to do is grab a stack of slim jims and go door to door - meeting people face to face is where it's at. Get a copy of the registered voters in your county and go track them down! I've talk to a lot of people about Ron Paul - it's a pretty easy sell! You just have to get out there and do it.
Bodhi
11-28-2007, 01:26 AM
We also need delegates very badly, right now.
This is EXTREMELY important!
Or we need to wake them from their slumber of apathy, and inform them about the platform.
To accentuate my point, briefly I hope.
How many times have you seen a RP supporter with a sign like:
"Ron Paul cured my apathy"
How do you think it was cured?
By educating/informing them on/about a politician that can and will make a difference.
Either they learned by themselves, or were told by another by some method.
They had to learn something that 'cured their apathy'.
It just didn't happen by itself,
there was a point in time when they learned enough to begin to give a care about the presidential election this time.
Matt Collins
11-28-2007, 01:58 AM
Dave - good to see ya around again. Like the avatar ;-)
Thunderbolt
11-28-2007, 02:10 AM
Delegates folks. Focus on delegates. If he gets every vote in the US it won't matter unless he has enough delegates at the convention to win.
It is kind of like the electoral college, only you are not guaranteed any votes. You must bring in your own delegates. Then they all vote and the guy who gets more than half of the delegates wins. You need over 1000 to win. Not sure of the exact number. You are only allowed a certain number from each state. So if your state doesn't get the delegates, then you can't get more from another state.
No one wants to be a delegate. We keep calling people and begging and no one will do this for Dr. Paul. Well, ok, not no one, but we are having a very hard time finding people.
Please, spend as much time as you can finding delegates. He could raise 1 billion dollars, have the entire US vote for him and lose if we don't have the delegates.
davidhperry
11-28-2007, 02:46 AM
Dave - good to see ya around again. Like the avatar ;-)
Thanks man :)
austin356
11-28-2007, 02:59 PM
Delegates folks. Focus on delegates. If he gets every vote in the US it won't matter unless he has enough delegates at the convention to win.
Focusing on Delegates would be a waste of my time, considering the fact that the deadline was early November and we have all the delegates we need.
austin356
11-28-2007, 03:02 PM
No one wants to be a delegate. We keep calling people and begging and no one will do this for Dr. Paul. Well, ok, not no one, but we are having a very hard time finding people.
Who the hell would not want to be a delegate?
Thunder you probably need to find a new batch of supporters if they dont want to be delegates. If it came down to it I could find 500-1000 here in my small state. (we only need 45)
Matt Collins
11-29-2007, 11:48 AM
Who the hell would not want to be a delegate?Is it any coincidence that the GOP convention is in "St. Paul" ? :D
Matt Collins
01-05-2008, 09:19 PM
Bump for importance
Matt Collins
01-09-2008, 12:56 AM
Bump again
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