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paulitics
09-13-2007, 11:27 AM
Please choose the issue that concerns you the most out of the following choices.


1. civil liberties
2. foreign policy
3. economy and taxes
4. Immigraton and national sovereignty
5. domestic issues (healthcare, education, social security)

micahnelson
09-13-2007, 11:28 AM
3. economy and taxes

james1844
09-13-2007, 11:29 AM
The war.
Erosion of constitutional rights.

Ridiculous
09-13-2007, 11:30 AM
#3

If that isn't taken care of, everything else just falls apart....

If you have a shitty economy there is more call for nanny state programs.

noxagol
09-13-2007, 11:30 AM
Should include an all of the above. That would be my choice.

Phenom24
09-13-2007, 11:38 AM
If national sovereignty isn't addressed, we won't have an economy.

micahnelson
09-13-2007, 11:39 AM
If national sovereignty isn't addressed, we won't have an economy.

Chicken/Egg sorta thing I think. Many of these issues are.

LibertyEagle
09-13-2007, 11:44 AM
Chicken/Egg sorta thing I think. Many of these issues are.

Yeah, just like if we aren't free, our national sovereignty isn't going to matter much.

nexalacer
09-13-2007, 11:49 AM
Yeah, hard choice... went with economics and taxes... but the civil liberties are a REAL close second. National sovereignty is also really important, but I think we have a bit of time before that becomes really threatning... not that we should ignore it, but I think the coming economic crash will do more to move us towards the NAU than anything else. Thus, we should focus on fixing the economy before everything else. Really, I think Ridiculous was right... if we fix the economy, the rest will mostly be covered.

Kregener
09-13-2007, 11:53 AM
They all kind of go hand-in-hand.

Larofeticus
09-13-2007, 12:00 PM
Well i guess economy and taxes would be the closest thing to federal debt reduction and entitlement spending...

micahnelson
09-13-2007, 12:04 PM
Well i guess economy and taxes would be the closest thing to federal debt reduction and entitlement spending...

And now its time for the bonus round...

What would happen if we eliminated the national debt?

Kade
09-13-2007, 01:04 PM
And now its time for the bonus round...

What would happen if we eliminated the national debt?

Allow me.

Eliminating the national debt will lower interest rates, and therefore lower deficits. We avoid the critical mass cycle caused by raising rates on the debt, raising deficit, and raising interest.

We avoid the approaching disaster... and release the need for the government to borrow ignorantly. We will avoid our tax money being spent on the interest concerns for the debt.

The only two solutions of cutting the national debt are Taxing more or significantly cutting government spending.

The current Keynesian model for economics, to borrow relentlessly, and pay back during times of economic boom, has not been used in this administration...The government has spent on credit more money then ever now, during a relative economic boom.... follow the logic.

Your choice.

Kade
09-13-2007, 01:10 PM
I think there is innate problem with accepting the idea that one thing must be sacrificed for another...

I see no reason why intelligent fiscal policy cannot go hand in hand with guardianship of our sacred liberties.

Paulitician
09-13-2007, 01:12 PM
Well sovereingty is important but I just don't believe that it's on the brink of vanishing... yet. I chose foreign policy, mainly because the current one we have makes absolutely no sense and has made us more vulnerable in the long run than anything else. Economy and taxes are up there too. Fortunately for us, many of these issues are intertwined and Ron Paul would be able to take down two, three or even four birds with a single stone so to speak.

micahnelson
09-13-2007, 01:14 PM
If the national debt were completely erased, there would be no more basis for our monetary system. Remember that the "reserves" held by the Federal Reserve are nothing more than bonds from the treasury. Repay all the debt, lose the basis for issuing currency.

This, of course, is because we have a flawed monetary system- not a reason to keep a debt hanging over the heads of future generations of Americans.

DjLoTi
09-13-2007, 01:15 PM
it's tough. My honest choice is the evolution of mankind.

Nash
09-13-2007, 01:24 PM
It's all about the money so I chose the economy.

In rational terms I see our foreign policy as just another government boondoggle as opposed to some moral injustice.

As the wars expand, the economy gets depressed, and the government uses both of these occurrences as a rationale to create more programs which in turn hurts our civil liberties whether they be laws like the patriot act or nationalized health care. A poor economy is also their justification for things like NAFTA, CAFTA or a North American Union. If we had a booming economy these things could never be sold to the American people.

Kade
09-14-2007, 07:43 AM
it's tough. My honest choice is the evolution of mankind.

Shhh... many people here don't believe in "evil-lutionism. " They are okay with a few generations of ignorant Americans, as the market will eventually weed out the schools that teach nonsense...

LibertyBelle
09-14-2007, 08:31 AM
Shhh... many people here don't believe in "evil-lutionism. " They are okay with a few generations of ignorant Americans, as the market will eventually weed out the schools that teach nonsense...

So you want your atheist belief ('evolution', which is a THEORY with tons of holes in it, which you obviously must believe out of blind faith.....belief without absolute proof) taught in public schools? Atheism is to be the belief system taught? You think your belief based on faith, 'evolution', should be forced on the kids? This is hypocritical.

Did you know that Communist countries insist on teaching 'evolution' as fact, and that they don't allow opposing beliefs/viewpoints on the matter of our existence? This is happening in all public schools now, because of the implementation of Goals 2000 (signed by Clinton) developed through UNESCO, socialist public education indoctrination/conditioning modeled after the Soviets. Is this what you want? :eek:

I voted civil liberties, since we can't address the issues without them.

uncloned21
09-14-2007, 08:33 AM
its all the same issue!!

Kade
09-14-2007, 11:31 AM
So you want your atheist belief ('evolution', which is a THEORY with tons of holes in it, which you obviously must believe out of blind faith.....belief without absolute proof) taught in public schools? Atheism is to be the belief system taught? You think your belief based on faith, 'evolution', should be forced on the kids? This is hypocritical.

Did you know that Communist countries insist on teaching 'evolution' as fact, and that they don't allow opposing beliefs/viewpoints on the matter of our existence? This is happening in all public schools now, because of the implementation of Goals 2000 (signed by Clinton) developed through UNESCO, socialist public education indoctrination/conditioning modeled after the Soviets. Is this what you want? :eek:

I voted civil liberties, since we can't address the issues without them.


Good, while we are at it... why don't we teach kids about Moon cheese and Smurf sexual strategies.

Why not stop teaching our kids about pasteurization, chemical reactions, human anatomy, and taxonomy. We can also attack history and math, perhaps getting rid of standardized tests...


You have no idea what you are talking, please in this case, shut up. Better yet, go read a book.


This whole movement stinks of back-door theocracy... wreaks.

Matt_R
09-16-2007, 05:04 PM
So you want your atheist belief ('evolution', which is a THEORY with tons of holes in it, which you obviously must believe out of blind faith.....belief without absolute proof) taught in public schools? Atheism is to be the belief system taught? You think your belief based on faith, 'evolution', should be forced on the kids? This is hypocritical.

Did you know that Communist countries insist on teaching 'evolution' as fact, and that they don't allow opposing beliefs/viewpoints on the matter of our existence? This is happening in all public schools now, because of the implementation of Goals 2000 (signed by Clinton) developed through UNESCO, socialist public education indoctrination/conditioning modeled after the Soviets. Is this what you want? :eek:

I voted civil liberties, since we can't address the issues without them.

A quote by Stephen Jay Gould:

"Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

You seem to not understand what a scientific theory is.