Local Houston radio host on full attack mode

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

http://www.patgray.com/

The past few weeks, this guy has been talking about Ron non-stop. Calling him a kook America-hater who belongs in a straight jacket.

Keeps talking about Honor a lot.

[FrankRep]

Look at this.

Pat Gray poll:

Which is more important?

Securing our border with Mexico
Winning in Iraq
Finding Osama bin Laden
Legalizing hemp farming (as Ron Paul wants to do)

[FrankRep]

Pat Gray
521 N Sam Houston Pkwy E
Houston, TX 77060

Email: pat@patgray.com

[constituent]

he's crying to the rust belters.... 'cuz the natives are gettin' restless.

he knows the score.

[MsDoodahs]

I can't escape the feelling that when a person goes on full attack mode, it reveals that they do understand how right RP is, and they are scared shitless that the genpop will understand it, too. So they attack out of fear.

[JoshLowry]

If you want to get really pissed off this morning then listen to when Pat Gray had Ron Paul on his show:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eidhI7BDQM
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0QBsBlYixI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPMsoPu0pmI

[LibertyEagle]

Uh oh. He's an ass. There's a YouTube out there when he interviewed Dr. Paul. Man, this guy was in total attack mode and exceedingly rude. Being a Texan, I was horrified.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Ha. In the Youtube video, he actually says "In 20 years, you haven't been effective in reducing taxes. why don't you just give up?"

Yet we gotta stay the course in Iraq.

[LibertyEagle]

I sent the jackass an email. He's really beyond hope though folks. If you'd just listen to that previous interview, I could not believe how rude he was. It was unbelievable.

Here's part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyoFsUjCTrs

part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJQza8f_fbM&mode=related&search=

part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mKtVx2dpKw&mode=related&search=

[LibertyEagle]

You can listen to him tomorrow morning from here, if anyone is interested:
http://www.ksevradio.com/

I do think that Dr. Paul needs to stop trying to teach so much about immigration and start talking more about securing the border, ending birthright citizenship and ending the free handouts to illegal aliens. He can teach about why they are coming over here, AFTER he's President.

[Stealth4]

We got a plan for this guy? He might deserve some of our attention so we can discredit him.

[constituent]

these types discredit themselves.

[Cindy]

When an individual over does it with spreading obsessive hate towards another, it almost always reflects back poorly on them and ends up having the opposite effect.

This guy is over doing it and I'm sure, little by little, is ending up looking like the crazed nut job to his audience.

[Stealth4]

Look at this.

Pat Gray poll:

Which is more important?

Securing our border with Mexico
Winning in Iraq
Finding Osama bin Laden
Legalizing hemp farming (as Ron Paul wants to do)

Lets all vote in the poll for "legalizing hemp farming" I know its silly, but

How kick ass would it be if that choice (Ron Paul) won!

Its the "priorities" poll, you need to select it from the pull down menu, in the center of the main page.

http://www.patgray.com/

[ChooseLiberty]

I wouldn't be too worried about that station unless you're the "Spanish Oldies" station manager. No one is listening except possibly their immediate family. :D

http://www.radiodailynews.com/1-17%20houston-galveston.htm

[LibertyEagle]

Mr. Gray,

I would like to know why you are in such an attack mode with Dr. Paul. Your poll implies that he is not interested in securing our borders, or in finding bin Laden, amongst other things and that simply is not true. In fact, he is the ONLY candidate who has expressed concern about taking our focus OFF OF bin laden. In fact, he has reintroduced legislation to do just that.

He also wants our borders and ports secured, the free handouts to illegal aliens to stop, in addition to bringing an end to birthright citizenship.

Why exactly do you hate this man so much? I have heard you interview him in the past and I have to tell you, as a fellow Texan, I was horrified of your behavior.

You know what, Mr. Gray. If you do not like the man, fine, but please do not stoop to lies and misleading statements. I will tell you that your actions do much more to show your political beliefs than anything you are doing to Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul is the true conservative in the race and if you are so livid against him, what exactly does that make YOU?


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Mr. Gray's 1st response:

Listen to the show...we've made it ABUNDANTLY clear...actually HE has made it clear.

Then 5 minutes later, I received another:

By the way, if YOU'RE so conservative...how is it that you can support Ron Paul's stance that MALL SECURITY is doing a better job than the U.S. Marine Corps?!?!?! No conservative I know would EVER sanction such talk out of their representative.

Conservatives don't believe 9-11 was our fault. HE does. Conservatives don't believe that America is to blame...and that terrorists would leave us alone, if we left the Middle East. So, what does that say about YOU?



Yes, he had the text enlarged and in bold. :)

I'm thinkin' he has a bit of a temper issue.

[LibertyEagle]

Any ideas of how best to respond to the "Mall security" thing? I kinda cringed when I heard Dr. Paul talk about that in his interview yesterday. It is so easily misconstrued and is just more fodder for mockery. Any ideas?

I can handle the 2nd part just fine. :)

[eloquensanity]

Mr. Gray,

I would like to know why you are in such an attack mode with Dr. Paul. Your poll implies that he is not interested in securing our borders, or in finding bin Laden, amongst other things and that simply is not true. In fact, he is the ONLY candidate who has expressed concern about taking our focus OFF OF bin laden. In fact, he has reintroduced legislation to do just that.

He also wants our borders and ports secured, the free handouts to illegal aliens to stop, in addition to bringing an end to birthright citizenship.

Why exactly do you hate this man so much? I have heard you interview him in the past and I have to tell you, as a fellow Texan, I was horrified of your behavior.

You know what, Mr. Gray. If you do not like the man, fine, but please do not stoop to lies and misleading statements. I will tell you that your actions do much more to show your political beliefs than anything you are doing to Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul is the true conservative in the race and if you are so livid against him, what exactly does that make YOU?


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Mr. Gray's 1st response:


Then 5 minutes later, I received another:


Yes, he had the text enlarged and in bold. :)

I'm thinkin' he has a bit of a temper issue.



I'd say a little of that Hemp might help him chill out.

:)

[ChooseLiberty]

Gray = future coronary/stroke victim.


Mr. Gray,

I would like to know why you are in such an attack mode with Dr. Paul. Your poll implies that he is not interested in securing our borders, or in finding bin Laden, amongst other things and that simply is not true. In fact, he is the ONLY candidate who has expressed concern about taking our focus OFF OF bin laden. In fact, he has reintroduced legislation to do just that.

He also wants our borders and ports secured, the free handouts to illegal aliens to stop, in addition to bringing an end to birthright citizenship.

Why exactly do you hate this man so much? I have heard you interview him in the past and I have to tell you, as a fellow Texan, I was horrified of your behavior.

You know what, Mr. Gray. If you do not like the man, fine, but please do not stoop to lies and misleading statements. I will tell you that your actions do much more to show your political beliefs than anything you are doing to Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul is the true conservative in the race and if you are so livid against him, what exactly does that make YOU?


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Mr. Gray's 1st response:


Then 5 minutes later, I received another:


Yes, he had the text enlarged and in bold. :)

I'm thinkin' he has a bit of a temper issue.

[LibertyEagle]

Any ideas of how best to respond to the "Mall security" thing? I kinda cringed when I heard Dr. Paul talk about that in his interview yesterday. It is so easily misconstrued and is just more fodder for mockery. Any ideas?

I can handle the 2nd part just fine. :)

So, can anyone help me on the Mall Security issue? I really can't let this guy get away with this.

[saku39]

Note to the Neo-cons:

I would prefer good press to bad, but. . .

Keep saying his name. . . Just keep saying his name. :)

[specsaregood]

So, can anyone help me on the Mall Security issue? I really can't let this guy get away with this.

Well, RP was making more of a point of companies protecting their OWN property.
I really liked Ron Paul's example of armored truck services having the right to protect their money/assets with armed guards. While airlines did not have the right to protect their planes/people with armed guards.

As far as the Mall security, have their been any malls attacked by terrorists? No. So it isn't really something you can disprove (Their effectiveness).

[LibertyEagle]

Dear Pat,

Yes, I have heard the show. That is exactly why I wrote this to you. You are WRONG. Do you get that? You claim you want to stop the illegal alien invasion of our country. Well, so do I and Dr. Paul does too. Beyond "wanting" to do it, he has introduced legislation to do just that. What the hell are you wanting him to do that he is not doing? You seem that you have a lot of bones to pick and keep taking jabs at him. Why? What is it that he has not done, or has done, that you have such a problem with? Seriously. I would be interested to know.

You jabber on that because other congressmen do not support his legislation, that somehow makes him a failure. That is strange logic indeed. Would it be better to go along with the big government, socialist crowd, Mr. Gray, just so he could be part of the good 'ol boy crowd? Is that what you want? Well, I do not. He was right when he said on your show once... it is up to US to put pressure on the others, to back his legislation.

He has introduced legislation to get us out of the United Nations. Every real conservative I have ever known has always wanted us out. Now, he introduces this legislation, but does not get a lot of co-sponsors. Is he in the wrong for introducing the legislation? Or are the people who do not support it the ones in the wrong? I would say the latter. What would you say?

He is very clear. He wants our borders and ports secured, the freebies to stop and birthright citizenship ended and has introduced legislation to do just that.

He has been voted the Taxpayers' Best Friend, over and over again, by the National Taxpayers' Union.

He consistently has received an A+ from Gun Owners' of America for his effort to roll back current gun-grabbing legislation and his consistent voting record against anti 2nd amendment legislation.

This man stands for the Constitution. Each and every time. Do you remember what that IS, Mr. Gray? I've heard you deride him for his stance against the Patriot Act and the Military Commission Act. In fact you laughed at him, because he dared claim that they were unconstitutional and were dangerous to our liberty. Well, Mr. Gray, are you thinking the same thing now that various aspects are being ruled against now for their unconstitutionality? Have you actually checked into what these bills do? Perhaps you should. Perhaps you might want to check into the American Freedom Agenda. It was started by traditional conservatives who are very concerned about the direction our country is going. http://www.americanfreedomagenda.org/

Instead of complaining that he doesn't get his legislation passed, just maybe you should get behind him. Because if we continue to go with the flow, we are going to completely lose our Constitution and our country, completely, to a bunch of big government socialists.

You really should do some more research. I am a traditional conservative, or a Goldwater-Republican, if you will. I sincerely hope you will really think about what I have said, because I am totally aghast that someone like you who professes to be conservative could be against this great man.

“...the two American political figures Ron Paul strikes me as being the most similar to are Thomas Jefferson and Barry Goldwater.” – Chuck Muth

“I strongly support Ron Paul. We very badly need to have more Representatives in the House who understand in a principled way the importance of property rights and religious freedom” – Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize Economist

"If the framers of the Constitution were somehow to come back, Ron Paul is one of possibly only three people in Congress that they'd even talk to," said Mr. Williams, adding that most politicians have a "generalized contempt" for the values of the Constitution. – Walter Williams

“...in his heart and in his head, in his character and in his intellect, in what he has done and in what he will become, the Thomas Jefferson of our day, Ron Paul is one of us!" --Judge Andrew Napolitano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QwTKKSvR8

"Texas Congressman Ron Paul's pro-gun credentials are impeccable and he has been a leading proponent of rolling back the past 40 years of gun control." -- Gun Owners of America

Ron Paul for President '08 -- "HOPE FOR AMERICA"
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/index.php
http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html
http://gunowners.org/pres08/paul.htm

Sincerely,

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His response:

Did you get my other message? The man is a nutjob on defense. He is the same as Dennis Kucinich. 9-11 is OUR fault. Our government is dangerous…not Al Qaeda. Our Marines haven't done as good a job as MALL SECURITY?!?!? Is THAT conservative? He believes if we leave the middle east, terrorists will leave us alone?!?!? Come on. They will always find an excuse to come after us.

I see you've read all the usual propaganda…"taxpayers best friend" blah blah blah. Really? He's voted for over $400 MILLION worth of taxpayer financed pork projects.

The border? Where IS he?!?!?! I see Ted Poe every day!?!?!? I see and hear from John Culberson every day! Ron PAUL?!?!? No one's even HEARD from him on this issue...the only people who know Ron Paul outside of Texas are Libertarians. And that's because he's tried to legalize HEMP FARMING…TWICE. Is that a big issue for you?

The border agents? What's he done? He wrote ONE letter…in February. Period. Poe, Culberson, Duncan Hunter and many more are out there EVERY DAY!

He's a paranoid of our government…completely trusting of Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria and North Korea. THAT'S conservative? Not to me.



I really need help on this Mall Security guard thing. I'm not sure how best to address that.

[MsDoodahs]

LE, how far down has the military gone in terms of what they'll accept?

[LibertyEagle]

LE, how far down has the military gone in terms of what they'll accept?

Pretty darn far, but I'm not sure that is the best way to approach Gray. Are you thinking otherwise?

I'm really having a hard time coming up with a good way to describe what Dr. Paul was getting at with his comment about the Mall Security Guards. It really wasn't a good analogy for him to make, IMO.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Mall Security vs. US Marines

1. The presence of Mall Security does not increase the presence of troublemakers.

2. When Mall Security clears an area of troublemakers, the troublemakers do not return when security leaves.

3. Mall Security does not injure troublemakers unless the troublemakers assault Mall Security first.

4. Mall Security has a clearly defined job.

5. No bombs go off with the sheer purpose of killing Mall Security.

6. Mall Security officers don't go to other malls and start infringing on the freedom of the shoppers and other security officers at that mall.

[bcmiller]

They do not attack Hillary because of her views and her politics.

Ever since her Senate run the neocons have attacked her for one reason only... Because she stood a chance to win and it scares the hell out of them.

I am far from pro Hillary but I do think it is good that this guy is giving Ron Paul the Hillary treatment.

It says a lot.

[Chester Copperpot]

If you want to get really pissed off this morning then listen to when Pat Gray had Ron Paul on his show:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eidhI7BDQM
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0QBsBlYixI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPMsoPu0pmI

Oh those stupid fucks.. I have the entire radio interview burned on a cd in the car... it is such an atrocious thing to listen too.. gets me pissed off that these neo-goons literalyl scream at ron paul with such disrespect.. This is a station where I would gladly boycott anything and EVERYTHING they advertise.. Can someone get a sponsor list for their show? We should make up a list send it out to everybody to boycott the show's sponsors

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I wrote him an email. How long does it take him to bumble out a response?

[Brock Landers]

I can't listen to the whole interview cause I'm at work.

Can anyone spell out the gist of the security guard comment/discussion?


p.s. - I used to listen to Pat Gray's show, and I still listen to the station. He's not the only one on the station knocking Ron Paul.....I believe Ed Hende (sp?) also has made some anti-Ron comments. I'm calling in next time I hear one.

[rpliving]

Listen to the Mall Security interview again, If i recall Ron Paul doesnt actually say that Mall security is doing a better job then the army that is what the Host said/implied. Listen to it again, I cant im at work.

[PaleoConservative]

He's not someone your going to be able to convince. He's a total quack and nut job of the first degree. I mean the weak come back about "oh, he voted for 400 million in pork, just once" etc, etc is laughable. The fact of the matter is he has been voted the taxpayer's best friend over and over! No one else can claim that, and when you compare it to the rest of the Republican field, there isn't one single candidate that is for lowering spending like Ron is.

You won the debate my friend. I mean his come back about, "Oh, he's not making enough noise about the issue," doesn' refute a single word you said. Let him rant, other people will see through it.

[shadowhooch]

Mall Security vs. US Marines

1. The presence of Mall Security does not increase the presence of troublemakers.

2. When Mall Security clears an area of troublemakers, the troublemakers do not return when security leaves.

3. Mall Security does not injure troublemakers unless the troublemakers assault Mall Security first.

4. Mall Security has a clearly defined job.

5. No bombs go off with the sheer purpose of killing Mall Security.

6. Mall Security officers don't go to other malls and start infringing on the freedom of the shoppers and other security officers at that mall.

Liberty Eagle,
I didn't hear the full quote Ron Paul made on mall security; but I sure as hell wouldn't respond like above. Comparing mall security to the marines is a bad move any way you look at it. That was a mis-step by Dr. Paul.

Here's how I would address it if I understand what Dr. Paul was driving at....

Admittedly, it was a poor comparison. However, the point remains the same.
Our Marines ARE NOT designed to perform police actions for other countries. Our military should be used to strike at threats to our national security, nuetralize it, and come back home. In that sense, our job in Iraq is done.

Iraq is no longer a threat to our national security (if it ever was to begin with). They do not have weapons of mass destruction.
It's quite obvious that that region was NEVER united and there will always be fighting and uprising there if someone tries to take over. Do you really think the US can make them unite? It needs to be sorted out by those in the region, not us.

As for the argument that it will be a haven for future attacks against the US? If our border security was any good at all, it would be MUCH harder to attack us a half a world away as opposed to giving them a target right in their backyard (our troops). And if al queda does create bases or Iran invades, then we have a definitive target to attack.
But spending billions of dollars and sacrificing Americans for a foreign country to become united is not what we should be doing. We need those resources to solve our many issues here.

[FrankRep]

Radio show hosts aren't usually political experts. Don't worry about it.

[LibertyEagle]

Thanks, shadowhooch. I haven't sent him my reply yet. I'm still working on it.

[LibertyEagle]

Radio show hosts aren't usually political experts. Don't worry about it.

Yes, but their big mouths have an impact on their listening audience. I think it's worth it to give him something to think about. Maybe it won't do any good, but at least I will know I tried.

[rpliving]

Host: It's a hell of a lot easier to use your termonogly to blow up a mall if they could pull it off Because our people in a mall arnt armed...

Paul: But we have security that's a...

Host: So you're saying security guards in a mall do a better job than use marines in Iraq.

Paul: So far. So far they're doing pretty well. I mean we havent had.... How come we havent had another attack?

Host: Maybe it's because of things like the patriot act that you want to get rid of.

Paul: oh lord.



Paul didnt actually say that, but he did fall for the tickery of the host by not disagreeing.

[LibertyEagle]

Paul didnt actually say that, but he did fall for the tickery of the host by not disagreeing.

Yeah, he did that a lot on O'Reilly too. That's something he simply must stop. Agreement is implied, unless he disagrees with them.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Wrote him an email


When did you stop being a conservative?

Bad big-government policy is responsible for the complete disaster of FEMA
during Katrina.

Bad big-government policy is responsible for the collapsing social security
system

Bad big-government policy is responsible for the our failed healthcare
system.

Am I correct in assuming you are against Universal Hillarycare? Its another
big-government policy that is doomed to fail.


So why on earth would you endorse another big-government stance on foreign
policy? Why on earth would big-government intervention not work over here
on domestic policy, but work in nation building and the intervention in the
affairs of foreign countries?




Here is a quote from Michael Scheuer, chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station
("Alec Station"), CIA Counterterrorist Center:

"I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war
is dangerous to America because it's based, not on gender equality, as Mr.
Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what
we do in the Islamic World - because 'we're over there,' basically, as Mr.
Paul said in the debate."


The CIA backs up his position. So unless you're saying Fox and Friends
knows more about terrorism than the CIA Counterterrorist department...

Furthermore, Paul does not want to stop intelligence. He wants to
streamline intelligence into the Department of Defense, to get rid of a lot
of redundant individual branches, (CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, NRO, INR, NCTC, NCS,
PFIAB... )

As for the hemp, yes, he is against the war on drugs. The prohibition on
Alcohol didn't work out too well, if you haven't read. Why on earth would
the prohibition of another drug be any different?

Unless you're saying the prohibition on Alcohol was a good idea.


In fact, why are you not behind the prohibition of Alcohol? Around 17
THOUSAND people die every year from drunk driving accidents? Alcohol is to
blame. Why did we give up and cut-and-run from the war on Alcohol?
Obviously, you would support the government going in and protecting the
American people? Isn't it the "honorable" thing to do?


I just ask that you be consistent on your ideas.


his "response"


I know, anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul's 3rd grade mentality foreign
policy is a liberal...right? Having the same stance as Dennis Kucinich,
doesn't make HIM a liberal, right? Giving propaganda to the enemy isn't
liberal, right? Trying to legalize HEMP FARMING isn't liberal, right?

You're right...I MUST be a big government liberal...because I believe the
world is a little more complex than Ron Paul.

At least he reads emails and responds to them. Ill give him that. Though I think this is because he doesnt get very many?

[SWATH]

I know, anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul's 3rd grade mentality foreign
policy is a liberal...right? Having the same stance as Dennis Kucinich,
doesn't make HIM a liberal, right? Giving propaganda to the enemy isn't
liberal, right? Trying to legalize HEMP FARMING isn't liberal, right?

You're right...I MUST be a big government liberal...because I believe the
world is a little more complex than Ron Paul.

Ask him when making hemp farming illegal conserves the ideals of the constitution, and when having the same or similar stance as someone who happens to be a "liberal" automatically makes you a "liberal" as well.

[JPFromTally]

Why are these guys so fixated on malls being blown up? Where do they get this stuff??? They've been watching to many episodes of 24.

Why hasn't there been an attack on a mall? Is it because of the federal government? No.... It seems that companies are pretty good about protecting their own property.

There was no comparisons made between mall security and Marines. It was taken out of context and they know it.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Oh my God, he wont stop. It's every day now. He's even doing impersinations.

[LibertyEagle]

Ask him when making hemp farming illegal conserves the ideals of the constitution, and when having the same or similar stance as someone who happens to be a "liberal" automatically makes you a "liberal" as well.

Ok, help me here guys. Why is this guy flipping out over industrial hemp? It's like he thinks this is the same thing as pot farming, but it is not, right?

Q: What is Industrial Hemp?
A: Industrial Hemp is a number of varieties of Cannabis sativa L. that are intended for agricultural and industrial purposes. They are grown for their seed and fiber content as well as the resulting byproducts such as oil, seed cake, hurds, etc. Industrial Hemp is characterized by being low in THC (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) and high in CBD (cannabidiol). THC is less than 1% and in Canada and Europe the current legal level for cultivation is 0.3%. The ratio of CBD to THC is greater than one.

It's just another crop for farmers. How could he be against farmers?

[Zydeco]

I can't escape the feelling that when a person goes on full attack mode, it reveals that they do understand how right RP is, and they are scared shitless that the genpop will understand it, too. So they attack out of fear.

yup. :D

[MsDoodahs]

:D

[Patriot]

This guy is just trying to get ratings by being outrageous. He is only using Ron Paul because he is popular.