the "f" word - is it really necessary!

[sunny]

hi folks,
i don't think so.......why be so vulgar?
i find it offensive - does anyone else?

i bet dr. paul wouldn't take to kindly to it if he was to come and read posts on the board.

i did an advanced search on it and was surprised how many times people use that
word here.

sunny

[Sematary]

hi folks,
i don't think so.......why be so vulgar?
i find it offensive - does anyone else?

i bet dr. paul wouldn't take to kindly to it if he was to come and read posts on the board.

i did an advanced search on it and was surprised how many times people use that
word here.

sunny

In *most* cases it isn't. But Ron Paul would not sit there and chastise you for using it. This IS a free country (sort of) after all.

[Shiranu]

Does eff work? Sorry, I come from a town of gangsters, whores, and drug lords, im use to having to talk trash =\

[MsDoodahs]

Use of the eff word does not bother me unless its every other word.

Even then, it's my choice to read here, and Josh isn't into language control (thank goodness!), so...

Carry on, guys.

[Ridiculous]

I never got why people are offended by a word.

Now if I were to use that word against someone "f you," sure I can see how someone could be offended. But just for the reason that it is being used as an attack.

If it is just being used for emphasis, I have never gotten why people are offended by that. It is just a freaking word.

And what is the point of putting eff or F***, everyone knows what you mean so you might as well just type it....

There is actually a really good documentary film on this topic:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fuck/about.php)

[Shiranu]

^--- agreed

[nullvalu]

I don't mind it but I try to avoid using it... unless i'm frustrated..

and please i'm getting a little tired of everyone using the arguement "Dr. Paul wouldn't like this." or "Dr. Paul wouldn't do that."

Well.. we're not all Dr. Paul.. :)

[UCFGavin]

freedom of speech is my freedom that i hold the highest.

so fucking fuckity fuck :)

[adpierce]

I never got why people are offended by a word.

Now if I were to use that word against someone "f you," sure I can see how someone could be offended. But just for the reason that it is being used as an attack.

If it is just being used for emphasis, I have never gotten why people are offended by that. It is just a freaking word.

There is actually a really good documentary film on this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_(film)

It's a coarse word, if it weren't people wouldn't use it. It gets a rise out of people. I think that's why a lot of my professors like to drop the f-bomb once and a while. It resonates really on an emotional basis however so it detracts from real argumentation. However, as a sidenote, my profs who curse are the most fun to be around... I don't know if that has any significance at all, but it's true.

[Brasil Branco]

I don't think it's necessary, especially on a politics board, but sometimes we all want to use it.

So, I propose a better alternative, say "fudge" instead. :)

[constituent]

i like f* or f*d b/c it makes me think of the way
they bleep it out on t.v.

i always found that humerous

fuhhbp...


edit: if i wanted a censor i'd change the channel.

[Shiranu]

Fudge you, Brasil :o (just playin >_>)

[Brasil Branco]

Fudge you, Brasil :o (just playin >_>)

Fudge us all Shiranu, every one of us. :D

[Shiranu]

>_> I think I would get too tired =\

[UCFGavin]

I don't think it's necessary, especially on a politics board, but sometimes we all want to use it.

So, I propose a better alternative, say "fudge" instead. :)

fudge means the exact same thing in the context. the only reason fuck is a bad word is the empowerment that people put behind it.

[nexalacer]

How is this Ron Paul news? Why the fuck does it matter?

[Ridiculous]

I could never be close friends with someone who is offended by a word in and of itself. If someone is offended by a word alone it speaks volumes about their personality.

That isn't to say I couldn't work with or be acquaintances with such a person very easily.

[Original_Intent]

freedom of speech is my freedom that i hold the highest.

so fucking fuckity fuck :)

The right to do a thing, does not mean that it is the right thing to do.

You have the right to say the word, sure, and others have the right to express their distaste for vulgarity. In polite society, doing something that others find offenisive just to demonstrate your right to do so would be considered childish at best, or just plain rude.

There was a time when the word would rarely be heard outside of high school boys trying to impress their friends - kinda sad to see it used so frequently among otherwise high-minded people who are trying to save their country.

[theblatanttruth]

The right to do a thing, does not mean that it is the right thing to do.

You have the right to say the word, sure, and others have the right to express their distaste for vulgarity. In polite society, doing something that others find offenisive just to demonstrate your right to do so would be considered childish at best, or just plain rude.

There was a time when the word would rarely be heard outside of high school boys trying to impress their friends - kinda sad to see it used so frequently among otherwise high-minded people who are trying to save their country.

I just want to know what ultimate power came around at some point in the English language and decided... well okay, Screw is fine but Fuck is not. Doesn't make any sense to me. Ass and butt, Shit and Poop... all these are synonyms but at some point one was taboo and one wasn't.

I just want to know who decides these things.

[Mordechai Vanunu]

In polite society, doing something that others find offenisive just to demonstrate your right to do so would be considered childish at best, or just plain rude.

I completely fucking agree.

[nexalacer]

I completely fucking agree.

Me fucking too. (On a side note, one of the best linguistics classes ever was analyzing fuck insertion in English.... for example, un-fucking-believable. Funny with a well-respected, published Linguist saying fuck over and over for 50+ minutes.)

[Mordechai Vanunu]

http://www.fugly.com/audio/11/fword.html

[constituent]

Me fucking too. (On a side note, one of the best linguistics classes ever was analyzing fuck insertion in English.... for example, un-fucking-believable. Funny with a well-respected, published Linguist saying fuck over and over for 50+ minutes.)

yea, f* insertion....

silly linguists. kinda gives me the same feeling
as when someone starts a thread about the
"f" word to express their concern about it
being overused.

[Ridiculous]

I just want to know what ultimate power came around at some point in the English language and decided... well okay, Screw is fine but Fuck is not. Doesn't make any sense to me. Ass and butt, Shit and Poop... all these are synonyms but at some point one was taboo and one wasn't.

I just want to know who decides these things.

Exactly my point, they are just words. It is just plain ridiculous to get offended by one word and not the other when they are synonyms. I think if someone gets offended by shit and not poop, or fuck and not screw, it actually shows their immaturity.

However, offending someone on purpose is immature as well. I am talking about regular conversation here, not film, art or literature, or even op ed pieces for that matter...

[BuddyRey]

and please i'm getting a little tired of everyone using the arguement "Dr. Paul wouldn't like this." or "Dr. Paul wouldn't do that."

Well.. we're not all Dr. Paul.. :)

EXACTLY!!! And what's more, RP's very philosophy supports, no, DEMANDS our right to not be him! :D

[constituent]

Every f*n generation needs a new f*n revolution."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest f*n reason for the motherf*n people to retain
the right to f*n keep and bear motherf*n arms is, as a lst f*n
resort, to protect themf*nselves against tyranny in motherf*n
government, bitches.
-Thomas Jefferson


ok, is that enough?

[remaxjon]

Fed?

[nullvalu]

http://www.fugly.com/audio/11/fword.html

funniest shit ever.. Did you ever hear the *Beep Delta* one? lol

here you go: http://www.fugly.com/audio/515/deltaairlines.html

[Ridiculous]

Every f*n generation needs a new f*n revolution."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest f*n reason for the motherf*n people to retain
the right to f*n keep and bear motherf*n arms is, as a lst f*n
resort, to protect themf*nselves against tyranny in motherf*n
government, bitches.
-Thomas Jefferson


ok, is that enough?

That would just be plain poor writing by over use of a word.

But on the other hand I would be down for a fucking revolution. It sounds like fun. Provided everyone involved is checked for STDs.

[constituent]

i'm no jefferson.

[Original_Intent]

I completely fucking agree.

humor, of course, is completely different :D

[nullvalu]

humor, of course, is completely different :D

speaking of more humor.. he's another oldie but goodie: http://www.fugly.com/audio/248/ButtPlug.html

[EvoPro]

I understand how it can turn people off. While I do use the word in my private life, I don't like to offend people. So I choose to not use it here.

Except for right now: F.
lol.

[mconder]

I find no need for the word personally.

[UCFGavin]

The right to do a thing, does not mean that it is the right thing to do.

You have the right to say the word, sure, and others have the right to express their distaste for vulgarity. In polite society, doing something that others find offenisive just to demonstrate your right to do so would be considered childish at best, or just plain rude.

There was a time when the word would rarely be heard outside of high school boys trying to impress their friends - kinda sad to see it used so frequently among otherwise high-minded people who are trying to save their country.

i would agree somewhat. personally i don't care what people say around me or their opinions of me. either like me or dislike me, but i won't pretend to try and please someone. however, i do refrain in situations. for example, i don't use my favorite word on the boards very often (at least this one).

and the words people use does not change the message they are trying to say. if i'm just posting some stuff on a message board, i'll use whichever language i choose. i'm not going to make a flyer that says "vote ron paul, the best man for the fucking job!"

[UCFGavin]

and substituting words like fudge for fuck is just ridiculous haha

[jumpyg1258]

If you want to get pissy about the word f*ck, you have no one to blame but the christian church. The first use of the word was in 1425 by english monks who claimed that priests in the town would not go to heaven cause they were f*cking the wives of the townsfolk.

[Elwar]

The 'F' word is used a lot here because 'F'reedom is popular.

[JMann]

Why is anyone offended by any word?

[speciallyblend]

For UnLawful Carnal Knowledge sounds better then f**k so lets use the correct term,it has more meaning that way and doesnt sound bad at all;)

[Ron Paul Fan]

It's not necessary, but people can use the word as they choose. if the mods find it offensive then they can probably block the word from showing up. i don't think it's offensive though. we're all adults here and i think we can handle a little four letter word popping up now and then. Let's quit fighting these small battles and focus our attention on spreading Dr. Paul's message of freedom. Freedom to say the word fuck and not be constrained by tyranny! Who's fucking with me?

[Cunningham]

Since we're getting all these word phobia's out in the open.
I hate when people use the words unpatriotic and socialism. I FUCKING hate those words. I really wish we could just get rid of those words. They burn me right up. While we're at it, I don't like the word "filament" either. That word just bugs me for some reason.not like socialism though. :)

[Brasil Branco]

I honestly don't care about the word, but I was brought up by my parents not to swear, and I try to limit it if possible.

But if someone sincerely complains, I think you're just being a dick to use it in the name of "freedom".

That's like someone saying "Could you please not club those baby seals?"- and you go off and say "Fudge it, it's my right *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK"

Haha, yeah- that example sucked, but you see what I mean, or not.

Fudge it.

[uncloned21]

it is the listener that gives the word power

[speciallyblend]

For UnLawful Carnal Knowledge sounds better then f**k so lets use the correct term,it has more meaning that way and doesnt sound bad at all

[SewrRatt]

I don't think it's necessary, especially on a politics board, but sometimes we all want to use it.

So, I propose a better alternative, say "fudge" instead. :)

On a completely unrelated note, if there are any lovely ladies in my area that would like some hot fudge, please PM me.

[CAKochenash]

fuck man....5 pages of bollix...

[speciallyblend]

On a completely unrelated note, if there are any lovely ladies in my area that would like some hot fudge, please PM me.

So im just wondering if we sub/ fudge for F*-k does that still mean we can have For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge with Hot Fudge?

[Ridiculous]

To sum the thread up...

The "f" word - is it really necessary?

Abso-fucking-lutely

[mesler]

Some people just don't get it.

I personally could care less what people say here, but what about people who just don't like the word? This is Ron Paul Forums, not Libertarian Forums or The Anarchist Forum. Isn't it obvious that some people who support Ron Paul may not be a libertarian or an anarchist who doesn't care about language and restraint? If this is true, why not use a language that we would use around, say, our grandparents simply to ensure we don't offend? There are TONS of outlets for you to talk about how you think our society is too prudish for your tastes. Go knock yourself out. However, why can't we keep it family oriented so we don't run some people off?

Do the people who advocate saying F--- everywhere they please also use it amongst people they do not know? In company of people with children? Among old people? In the presence of Mrs. Paul?

[hopeforamerica]

Some people just don't get it.

I personally could care less what people say here, but what about people who just don't like the word? This is Ron Paul Forums, not Libertarian Forums or The Anarchist Forum. Isn't it obvious that some people who support Ron Paul may not be a libertarian or an anarchist who doesn't care about language and restraint? If this is true, why not use a language that we would use around, say, our grandparents simply to ensure we don't offend? There are TONS of outlets for you to talk about how you think our society is too prudish for your tastes. Go knock yourself out. However, why can't we keep it family oriented so we don't run some people off?

Do the people who advocate saying F--- everywhere they please also use it among people they do not know? In company of people with children? Among old people? In the presence of Mrs. Paul?

Well stated! Sometimes respect is more important than your right to offend. I'll watch my potty mouth from now on. I've been know to use words on-line that I wouldn't utter in front of my own family or strangers (or in a job interview). I think being on-line gives you a protective sheild to be rude sometimes. I hope others give it a little thought too.

[quickmike]

The F word is one of the most versatile words in the english language. Heres a 2 minute lesson on the word that explains its many uses. Say it proudly and loudly!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqnvxP0H3lM

[McDermit]

as long as we aren't using it while campaigning for to out on the streets, I don't see a problem.

[quickmike]

as long as we aren't using it while campaigning for to out on the streets, I don't see a problem.

Of course not, I would never suggest going up to someone and saying something like "Man, you gotta check out this fuckin' Ron Paul guy!!!! He's got his stuff together. Here, take this fuckin flyer and go check him out and you will be pretty fuckin suprised what you learn."

That would just be stupid. I think in here it should be "aight"

I could be wrong though................. I have been before.


Really, I have believe it or not.

[nexalacer]

Some people just don't get it.

I personally could care less what people say here, but what about people who just don't like the word? This is Ron Paul Forums, not Libertarian Forums or The Anarchist Forum. Isn't it obvious that some people who support Ron Paul may not be a libertarian or an anarchist who doesn't care about language and restraint? If this is true, why not use a language that we would use around, say, our grandparents simply to ensure we don't offend? There are TONS of outlets for you to talk about how you think our society is too prudish for your tastes. Go knock yourself out. However, why can't we keep it family oriented so we don't run some people off?

Do the people who advocate saying F--- everywhere they please also use it amongst people they do not know? In company of people with children? Among old people? In the presence of Mrs. Paul?

You know, this is a good point. I'm going to start using fuck in the company of more elderly people, strangers, and children. Fuck the fucking fuckers!

P.S. My study in Linguistics is what accounts for my utter distaste for trying to classify words as "obscene" or "vulgar". Language is a living, breathing entity, as it is only possibly because of the human mind. So when you classify it as obscene or vulgar.... YOU are classifying it that way. As a result of my indoctrination to the truth of Linguistic Universality, you will never convince me that you should not use the word fuck for some one else's sake.... because that can lead to not using words like "forced labor camp" instead favoring joycamp. I don't like when people try to control my language.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

hi folks,
i don't think so.......why be so vulgar?
i find it offensive - does anyone else?

i bet dr. paul wouldn't take to kindly to it if he was to come and read posts on the board.

i did an advanced search on it and was surprised how many times people use that
word here.

sunny

heh. you're funny. I don't say it a lot on here. Do I find it offensive? Nope.

[pyrazole2]

some would like to just ban them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/nyregion/07bword.html?ei=5090&en=8bb9b60b7da0d2ed&ex=1344139200&pagewanted=print

[Revolution9]

The root of the word is fuga which means to go back and forth. That is why it is most famously associated with the sex act but also is used in stuations where there is a tug and pull or a do this..no..do that.. Fu means wind.

Best
Randy

[JosephTheLibertarian]

some would like to just ban them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/nyregion/07bword.html?ei=5090&en=8bb9b60b7da0d2ed&ex=1344139200&pagewanted=print

ban people for cursing? "cussing" lol

[SewrRatt]

You know, this is a good point. I'm going to start using fuck in the company of more elderly people, strangers, and children. Fuck the fucking fuckers!

You guys are taking the profanity too fucking far.

[derdy]

freedom of speech is my freedom that i hold the highest.

so fucking fuckity fuck :)

LOL

I agree it isn't necessary, but what's the big deal? It's just a word.

I don't think Ron Paul will check out the board and be like, "Oh Lord! My supporters are a bunch of fucking morons!" ;)

[Ridiculous]

Paul was in the military. I'm sure he has dropped a few f-bombs in his day.

Now I don't expect him to use it in his next stump speech.

[nexalacer]

Fu means wind.

This is a non-sequitur. Japanese/Chinese have no relationship to Indo-European or Germanic languages, thus this has nothing to do with fuck. If you were to go through the worlds languages you would likely find thousands of examples of words that were similar to each other in sound but completely different in meaning. And just as likely, you'd find examples of words that, through the magic of chance, happened to have the same meaning and similar sound. For example, in Japanese, children have called their mothers "mama" since long before the first westerners came to Japan. This example is a little different because it's hypothesized "mama" is commonly a reference to "mother" for children because the mouth movements are similar to those of a suckling baby. But the point is, languages with no historical connection should not be construed to be related because there are words with similar sounds or with similar sounds and meanings.

Sorry, for the sidetracked post.... Fuck.

[quickmike]

The word fuck is derived from the German word "frichen"...... which means "to strike"

[mport1]

Fuck is just a word, and if people realized that than there would be no problem.

[Original_Intent]

Well, heck the 'n' word is just a word.

So, African-American, black, n******, and James Brown all be referring to the same person, but they don't carry the same message.

Likewise, F***, hump, screw, sexual intercourse may all technically mean the same thing, but for people to act innocently surprised that there is a different connotation between the terms is, well, stupid.

So there! anyone who said it is stupid to replace the f word with "screw" in a sentence, you are stupid! so there! neener neener.

[stones88]

what is the big fucking deal? : )

remember you choose to be offended.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

what is the big fucking deal? : )

remember you choose to be offended.

ha. I agree. I have no respect for my elders :P

[SeanEdwards]

Drop the F-Bomb early, and drop it often. You might not get the chance later.

[Revolution9]

This is a non-sequitur. Japanese/Chinese have no relationship to Indo-European or Germanic languages, thus this has nothing to do with fuck. If you were to go through the worlds languages you would likely find thousands of examples of words that were similar to each other in sound but completely different in meaning. And just as likely, you'd find examples of words that, through the magic of chance, happened to have the same meaning and similar sound. For example, in Japanese, children have called their mothers "mama" since long before the first westerners came to Japan. This example is a little different because it's hypothesized "mama" is commonly a reference to "mother" for children because the mouth movements are similar to those of a suckling baby. But the point is, languages with no historical connection should not be construed to be related because there are words with similar sounds or with similar sounds and meanings.

Sorry, for the sidetracked post.... Fuck.

All language is based on subatomic angular momentum. t is born in the brain/brane structure and held in the mouth and tongue. It is why bees are busy buzzing about their business. I wrote a paper on this that was published in a peer reviewed journal named "The Circular Times" in 1988. It had other contributors such as Professor Gerald Hawkins, decoder of the solar/lunar calendar at Stonehenge, Erol Torun of The Mars Imaging Team and the UN Crop Circle Research Team amongst other luminaries. The gentleman i ran all of this through the wringer with, a Mr Richard Gilmartin, knew over 500 languages fluently and spoke over 1200 languages, a great many of them dead. I was able to delineate the dynamic behind every word he gave me, regardless of origin. The apparent differences are culturally oriented as to what they perceive the object or motion to have the dynamic of.

FU == Force Receptacle. Ergo the idea of wind..or dynamically speaking a container of force.
N==Next, Nature..ergo FUN= Force Receptacle Nature||next
C==Recieve||Center, K==Kinetic(self projecting cone of power) FUCK==Force Receptacle Receive Kinetic.
G==Generate, A==Animation, FUGA==Force Receptacle Generates Animation ( to go back and forth)

Best Regards
Randy

[Revolution9]

The word fuck is derived from the German word "frichen"...... which means "to strike"

That would be frig, which would also apply to a frigate which was a ship used to strike. The important difference is the "r" sound which signifies the dynamic "in-tensed" or "tensed inwards". CH denotes a charge as its closest English ( the language of angles) dynamic And observation of the nature of the dynamic can be observed by saying the phoneme with force to the back of your hand. It is the centering and release of a spiral/sin wavecouplng

FRICHEN==Force In-tensed Self Center Spirit(spiralled wavelength)Energy Nature
STRIKE==Source Integrate In-tensed Self Kinetic Energy

Best
Randy

[mesler]

You know, this is a good point. I'm going to start using fuck in the company of more elderly people, strangers, and children. Fuck the fucking fuckers!

P.S. My study in Linguistics is what accounts for my utter distaste for trying to classify words as "obscene" or "vulgar". Language is a living, breathing entity, as it is only possibly because of the human mind. So when you classify it as obscene or vulgar.... YOU are classifying it that way. As a result of my indoctrination to the truth of Linguistic Universality, you will never convince me that you should not use the word fuck for some one else's sake.... because that can lead to not using words like "forced labor camp" instead favoring joycamp. I don't like when people try to control my language.

Would you have the courtesy to turn off your porn if you had company coming over? With kids? Or is that too much restraint for a free man such as yourself?

[quickmike]

That would be frig, which would also apply to a frigate which was a ship used to strike. The important difference is the "r" sound which signifies the dynamic "in-tensed" or "tensed inwards". CH denotes a charge as its closest English ( the language of angles) dynamic And observation of the nature of the dynamic can be observed by saying the phoneme with force to the back of your hand. It is the centering and release of a spiral/sin wavecouplng

FRICHEN==Force In-tensed Self Center Spirit(spiralled wavelength)Energy Nature
STRIKE==Source Integrate In-tensed Self Kinetic Energy

Best
Randy

Fuckin A:D

[Ridiculous]

Would you have the courtesy to turn off your porn if you had company coming over? With kids? Or is that too much restraint for a free man such as yourself?

Showing kids porn is a lot different than saying a word....

Is screw ok with you rather than fuck? If so why?

What about putting f***? It means the same thing and has the same intent...

[mesler]

Showing kids porn is a lot different than saying a word....

Is screw ok with you rather than fuck? If so why?

What about putting f***? It means the same thing and has the same intent...

Like I said I have no problem with it, I'm just sensitive to the fact that some people do.

Why is it different? If you feel you can curse in front of kids, why not show them porn? After all, sex is simply a natural act, and kids are the product of this act, and so it's not ugly at all. It's society's problem, not yours. Right?

Let's use a less shocking analogy. Some people walk around nude in front of their kids. Some people think the human body is natural and beautiful and not something to be ashamed of. Other people think that is just dowrnight weird. Should the nudists not be restrained and simply be nude in front of their kid's friends', or should they be sympathetic to the way society is and put some clothes on?

I argue that it's easiest to put the clothes on and to simply deal with the fact that we in the US tend to be a bit prudish. Unless your goal is to change society. And if that's your goal, you have to be willing to offend lots of people.

What is our goal here? To get this man elected, or to loosen soceity up?

[Ridiculous]

What is our goal here? To get this man elected, or to loosen soceity up?

This is just a tangent thread for the fuck of it.

You are comparing a use of a word in front of people to being naked in front of kids/showing them porn. Apples Oranges.....

[RP4ME]

Like I said I have no problem with it, I'm just sensitive to the fact that some people do.

Why is it different? If you feel you can curse in front of kids, why not show them porn? After all, sex is simply a natural act, and kids are the product of this act, and so it's not ugly at all. It's society's problem, not yours. Right?

Let's use a less shocking analogy. Some people walk around nude in front of their kids. Some people think the human body is natural and beautiful and not something to be ashamed of. Other people think that is just dowrnight weird. Should the nudists not be restrained and simply be nude in front of their kid's friends', or should they be sympathetic to the way society is and put some clothes on?

I argue that it's easiest to put the clothes on and to simply deal with the fact that we in the US tend to be a bit prudish.

I think walking around nude in front of your kids is weird!!!! But it does depend on cultural context! That has never defined the US's culture ....Europe yes a bit here no....Flame away!

[speciallyblend]

we all get it,trust me

[CAKochenash]

Some people just don't get it.

I personally could care less what people say here, but what about people who just don't like the word? This is Ron Paul Forums, not Libertarian Forums or The Anarchist Forum. Isn't it obvious that some people who support Ron Paul may not be a libertarian or an anarchist who doesn't care about language and restraint?

yeah...im'a total anarchist bro...:rolleyes: get a life..

[quickmike]

yeah...im'a total anarchist bro...:rolleyes: get a life..

Dont you mean get a "fuckin" life?:D

[theblatanttruth]

Like I said I have no problem with it, I'm just sensitive to the fact that some people do.

Why is it different? If you feel you can curse in front of kids, why not show them porn? After all, sex is simply a natural act, and kids are the product of this act, and so it's not ugly at all. It's society's problem, not yours. Right?

Let's use a less shocking analogy. Some people walk around nude in front of their kids. Some people think the human body is natural and beautiful and not something to be ashamed of. Other people think that is just dowrnight weird. Should the nudists not be restrained and simply be nude in front of their kid's friends', or should they be sympathetic to the way society is and put some clothes on?

I argue that it's easiest to put the clothes on and to simply deal with the fact that we in the US tend to be a bit prudish. Unless your goal is to change society. And if that's your goal, you have to be willing to offend lots of people.

What is our goal here? To get this man elected, or to loosen soceity up?

Come on man, you're trying to manufacture a metaphor that is extremely un-compatible with the context of what we're talking about here. We are talking about the logicality of something like a word, "butt" somehow being divinely better than a synonym for said word which is "ass". This applies for any "vulgar" word you want to substitute it for.

Now we can break that down to a cultural taboo instance in such that at some point it suggests, by default, that some power, greater than any of us or our opinions, made the choice for us. EDIT/Insert: And that certainly wasn't God, because these words didn't exist at the time of "God's wills' " inception.

And that's bogus. Period.

[mesler]

This is just a tangent thread for the fuck of it.

You are comparing a use of a word in front of people to being naked in front of kids/showing them porn. Apples Oranges.....

Is using a word or saying things in front of someone really all that different than showing them something? They are both forms of expression. There are people in Europe who think we are prudes because we don't like to walk around nude in front of our kids.

You don't think the F-bomb is serious, someone else doesn't think being naked is serious. It's all relative.

[mesler]

Come on man, you're trying to manufacture a metaphor that is extremely un-compatible with the context of what we're talking about here. We are talking about the logicality of something like a word, "butt" somehow being divinely better than a synonym for said word which is "ass". This applies for any "vulgar" word you want to substitute it for.

Now we can break that down to a cultural taboo instance in such that at some point it suggests, by default, that some power, greater than any of us or our opinions, made the choice for us. EDIT/Insert: And that certainly wasn't God, because these words didn't exist at the time of "God's wills' " inception.

And that's bogus. Period.

Do you say "fuck" in front of your grandma or any close friends/family that you have that are over 60? If not, why?

[Ridiculous]

Is using a word or saying things in front of someone really all that different than showing them something?

Absolutely.

It is all in the intent of the word....

Fuck in and of itself is just a syllable. A word. If you say fuck in front of a kid people might get upset but you aren't going to go to jail. If you tell the kid that you want to fuck them. Well, you probably should go to jail and it doesn't matter what word you use screw, fuck, make love, it doesn't matter it is all equally wrong. There is a difference in intent.

You are drawing no distinction between a word and how it is used by saying "is using a word or saying things in front of someone really all that different than showing them something"

Now if you show a kid porn, it is very much against the law.

There is very much a difference between saying and showing.... But also how it is said is important.

[misconstrued]

When I hear the "f" word I don't even blink an eye anymore, but I try to rarely use it. The one thing about Ron Paul is his supporters are made up of a broad spectrum of people from many different walks of life. Way more so than the supporters of other candidates. Some of us may talk like sailors and some of us may be very religious and would never consider using such language. I think we just need to keep an open mind. There is plenty of room for everyone here...

[Shiranu]

Agreed on the open mind... but hey, I consider my self deeply religious, and say fuck, an dif any one says im not a good christian... eff them! :p

[Locke_rpr]

I'm not offended by it. There's only one cuss word listed in the Bible and I never use it. Apart from that everything else is culture. Offensive language is only offensive if someone who is around is offended. So I don't use it in public much or around our "graying" citizens, but another thing the baby boomers and the couple generations that followed destroyed was the language. So called, curse words were used so much that I bet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the 35 and under crowd who finds it offensive. Many try not to use it because it IS rather uncreative and generally hurts whatever point you are trying to make. Get a group of people my age together when not in public though, and it sounds like an Andrew Dice Clay show.

[mconder]

"The strongest f*n reason for the motherf*n people to retain
the right to f*n keep and bear motherf*n arms is, as a lst f*n
resort, to protect themf*nselves against tyranny in motherf*n
government, bitches.
-Thomas Jefferson

I have to admit in this context it is funny, but I have not personally found using f***, s**t, cr*p, or p**p in daily conversation enhances greatly my ability to express myself. They offend some people, so why use them? I have respect for others sensitivities and I would hope they would return that respect.

There is a line in the song America the Beautiful that comes to mind..."redeem thy soul with self control, thine liberty and law." I think we should have some self control in our public discourse. If Ron was a foul mouth fool, I don't think he would have gotten this far. I do however respect your right to express yourself with vulgarities, I also reserve my right to distance myself from you.

[Man from La Mancha]

I don't use it much just because it is perceived as uncreative. But it should be considered a compliment. Since most people enjoy fucking and some one says fuck you, one should say fuck you too, because aren't we wishing a wonderful experience on the other person. I could never figure out why the word was meant as a curse.

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[mesler]

"The strongest f*n reason for the motherf*n people to retain
the right to f*n keep and bear motherf*n arms is, as a lst f*n
resort, to protect themf*nselves against tyranny in motherf*n
government, bitches.
-Thomas Jefferson

I have to admit in this context it is funny, but I have not personally found using f***, s**t, cr*p, or p**p in daily conversation enhances greatly my ability to express myself. They offend some people, so why use them? I have respect for others sensitivities and I would hope they would return that respect.

There is a line in the song America the Beautiful that comes to mind..."redeem thy soul with self control, thine liberty and law." I think we should have some self control in our public discourse. If Ron was a foul mouth fool, I don't think he would have gotten this far. I do however respect your right to express yourself with vulgarities, I also reserve my right to distance myself from you.


Libertarians should be more pragmatic and look at it from a free-market perspective. People who find the overuse of the "fuck" word offensive will likely exercise their right to stop associating with us. Problem is, we're trying to get someone elected and this is a bad thing.

[Korey Kaczynski]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ron Paul used it after every fox debates, personally.

[libertygrl]

hi folks,
i don't think so.......why be so vulgar?
i find it offensive - does anyone else?

i bet dr. paul wouldn't take to kindly to it if he was to come and read posts on the board.

i did an advanced search on it and was surprised how many times people use that
word here.

sunny

I agree. There's no need for vulgarity. But I'm guessing this forum has a rather large college aged crowd so I'm not suprised! Believe me, I'm no prude and I admit to using the word when something really upsets me. But in an open forum like this where there is a diverse number of people including possibly seniors and women and religious types, I think a little respect and decency is in order.

Especially when we need as many people to come together in support of Ron Paul. So, a little self restraint would be appreciated!

[Eli]

its just a word. there's always that small group of people that will try to censor the world out of fear of damaging their fragile little ears. If you can't handle people being politically incorrect what can you handle?

[sunny]

The right to do a thing, does not mean that it is the right thing to do.

You have the right to say the word, sure, and others have the right to express their distaste for vulgarity. In polite society, doing something that others find offenisive just to demonstrate your right to do so would be considered childish at best, or just plain rude.

There was a time when the word would rarely be heard outside of high school boys trying to impress their friends - kinda sad to see it used so frequently among otherwise high-minded people who are trying to save their country.

i appreciate that response o i, thanks!

[sunny]

I agree. There's no need for vulgarity. But I'm guessing this forum has a rather large college aged crowd so I'm not suprised! Believe me, I'm no prude and I admit to using the word when something really upsets me. But in an open forum like this where there is a diverse number of people including possibly seniors and women and religious types, I think a little respect and decency is in order.

Especially when we need as many people to come together in support of Ron Paul. So, a little self restraint would be appreciated!

and this one too, thanks l g!

[BarryDonegan]

there's a huge difference between morals and ethics.

swear language are morals like 95% of the time. they are usually meaningless words used to show that you don't really care what people think of you. i myself don't respect morality on the same level as ethics.

the customs of the people are often wicked.

[mesler]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ron Paul used it after every fox debates, personally.

lol!

Actually, I'd wager Paul would side with those of us who choose to limit our use of expletives given the fact that our posts are read by a diverse crowd:
"He doesn’t travel alone with women and once dressed down an aide for using the expression “red-light district” in front of a female colleague"

[Nefertiti]

there's a huge difference between morals and ethics.

swear language are morals like 95% of the time. they are usually meaningless words used to show that you don't really care what people think of you. i myself don't respect morality on the same level as ethics.

the customs of the people are often wicked.

Barry-The problem is that if you use such language because you don't care what people think of you, then likely they are going to think badly of you, and moreover, think badly of what you are talking about, which, in this case, is Ron Paul.

My 71 year old mother cancelled a credit card the other day because of the way she was dressed down by a customer rep who didn't like her use of the word "damn." She had been having trouble with their automated phone system and when she got a person on the line told her that she was having problems with their "damn system" and instead of trying to help my mother the woman gave her a lecture about the language she was using. So my mother decided to cancel the card. I think my mother was right to do what she did, because the philosophy is supposed to be the customer is always right, but imagine if my mother had been trying to sell this woman on Ron Paul. She would have failed to convince her because of her language.

[expatriot]

It is in the dictionary...
... and he was gynecologist

[mconder]

It's probably already been said on this exhaustive thread, but I would like to have my teenage kids visit this forum and my kids do not use f*** and are taught that sex is a sacred act, so I'd rather it not be used.

[nexalacer]

It's probably already been said on this exhaustive thread, but I would like to have my teenage kids visit this forum and my kids do not use f*** and are taught that sex is a sacred act, so I'd rather it not be used.

Ah! Here lies the rub! Fuck has moved from meaning only sex a long time ago. When I say "I fucked her", probably the most clear usage of the word in its sexual connotations, it doesn't even necessarily mean sex anymore!

I'd love to have a week of your kids conversations recorded... see how many times they REALLY say fuck or not.

[constituent]

Ah! Here lies the rub! Fuck has moved from meaning only sex a long time ago. When I say "I fucked her", probably the most clear usage of the word in its sexual connotations, it doesn't even necessarily mean sex anymore!

I'd love to have a week of your kids conversations recorded... see how many times they REALLY say fuck or not.

yikes! you wanna give those kids a complex or something?

[nexalacer]

yikes! you wanna give those kids a complex or something?

:rolleyes: yes, and from my box on the Internet 5000 miles away from America, I have the power to do that too... it was hyperbole used to make a point.... kids say shit their parents think they don't all the time.

[MichaelJN]

Ok, I have to agree on not understanding the concept of being offended by a word in and of itself. But in any case, certainly some of us in here are technology professionals? It would probably not be difficult to implement a customizable client-side filter which automatically fudged out certain words. You could set it to display all stars, crossed out, middle letters characterized, or delete the word completely. A small notification would appear above the comment to indicate your filter has taken effect. Add an option to turn the filter on/off in the User CP.

[constituent]

:rolleyes: yes, and from my box on the Internet 5000 miles away from America, I have the power to do that too... it was hyperbole used to make a point.... kids say shit their parents think they don't all the time.

yes, and clearly i picked up on your hyperbole, you failed to pick up on my play off of it....

oh well.:rolleyes: