The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

[Catatonic]

I've seen quite a few people argue that environmentalism through the government is constitutional because the right to life must be protected, and pollution endangers people's health, which puts their right to life at risk.

How do you respond to this?

[Conza88]

I'd respond with this. (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=117A3882998A1C45)

But also state, the Soviet Union - was the most polluted nation on earth.

Free market, full property rights - will save the environment, not the tragedy of the commons.

[Truth Warrior]

I've seen quite a few people argue that environmentalism through the government is constitutional because the right to life must be protected, and pollution endangers people's health, which puts their right to life at risk.

How do you respond to this? From their cumulative BODY COUNT over time, I'd respond that governments pose a MUCH greater threat and risk to life, PLUS their own created pollution, botched activities and subsidies, etc. :p :rolleyes:

"Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." -- Robert LeFevre

[Pericles]

tax pollution - that provides an economic incentive to find an efficient alternative or proper disposal

A sound public policy is to tax things that you do not want to have happen, which is why an income tax is such an intriguing concept.

[Truth Warrior]

tax pollution - that provides an economic incentive to find an efficient alternative or proper disposal

A sound public policy is to tax things that you do not want to have happen, which is why an income tax is such an intriguing concept. Karl thought so, in his Manifesto. I think that's WHY it AND central banks are BOTH planks. They feed on each other. ;)

[raystone]

I've seen quite a few people argue that environmentalism through the government is constitutional because the right to life must be protected, and pollution endangers people's health, which puts their right to life at risk.

How do you respond to this?


I've been struggling with this one, too.

Come on you Austrian economists, don't cop out on this, it's important.

Can free markets handle protecting our liberty when it comes to the vast number of pollution issues ?

Here's an indepth interview Ron Paul did just on the environment. I didn't the answer here, but I'm not well versed on the topic.

http://www.grist.org/feature/2007/10/16/paul/

[Truth Warrior]

I've been struggling with this one, too.

Come on you Austrian economists, don't cop out on this, it's important.

Can free markets handle protecting our liberty when it comes to the vast number of pollution issues ?

Here's an indepth interview Ron Paul did just on the environment. I didn't the answer here, but I'm not well versed on the topic.

http://www.grist.org/feature/2007/10/16/paul/

It's NOT the JOB of the "free markets" ( economics ) to protect YOUR liberty. Protecting YOUR liberty is YOUR job. :rolleyes: You want a better answer, then just ask a better question.

[Conza88]

I've been struggling with this one, too.

Come on you Austrian economists, don't cop out on this, it's important.

Can free markets handle protecting our liberty when it comes to the vast number of pollution issues ?

Here's an indepth interview Ron Paul did just on the environment. I didn't the answer here, but I'm not well versed on the topic.

http://www.grist.org/feature/2007/10/16/paul/

I already did. I can post all the other releveant audio and links if you want?

Or someone can just go to mises.org or google and search environment... :p

Seriously, or shld I not bother... who am I trying to convert? :confused:

[raystone]

I already did. I can post all the other releveant audio and links if you want?

Or someone can just go to mises.org or google and search environment... :p

Seriously, or shld I not bother... who am I trying to convert? :confused:


What's a foolproof response to someone live in person, not using youtube or the net ? :)

[Catatonic]

I already did. I can post all the other releveant audio and links if you want?

Or someone can just go to mises.org or google and search environment... :p

Seriously, or shld I not bother... who am I trying to convert? :confused:

Obviously no one here to convert, I just had trouble articulating this to some keynsians I am debating.

[Conza88]

What's a foolproof response to someone live in person, not using youtube or the net ? :)

Good question. Ask these guys. :p

Environmentalism and Privatization (http://mises.org/multimedia/block/Block-CKVU.wmv)

Business Ethics and the Environment (http://mises.org/multimedia/block/Block-04-02-1991.wmv)

Free Market Environmentalism Is Not An Oxymoron (http://mises.org/multimedia/block/Block-04-28-1995.wmv)

Environmental Problems: Free Market Solutions (http://mises.org/multimedia/block/Block-09-01-1991.wmv)

Ecology and Economics (http://mises.org/multimedia/block/Block-FPO.wmv)

Interview: Economics and the Environment (http://mises.org/multimedia/block/Block-Fraser.wmv)

Environmental Problems, Libertarian Solutions (http://mises.org/multimedia/block/Block-ISIL-1990.wmv)

Environmentalism (http://mises.org/multimedia/mp3/block/block5.mp3)

What the Evangelical Environmentalists Don't Consider About Economics (http://mises.org/mp3/ASC9/ASC9-8.mp3)