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Harald
01-29-2009, 07:21 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123317069332125243.html

In our opinion, we must first atone for the past and open our cards, so to speak.

This means we must assess the real situation and write off all hopeless debts and "bad" assets.

True, this will be an extremely painful and unpleasant process. Far from everyone can accept such measures, fearing for their capitalisation, bonuses or reputation. However, we would "conserve" and prolong the crisis, unless we clean up our balance sheets...
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Unfortunately, we are increasingly hearing the argument that the build-up of military spending could solve today's social and economic problems. The logic is simple enough. Additional military allocations create new jobs.

At a glance, this sounds like a good way of fighting the crisis and unemployment. This policy might even be quite effective in the short term. But in the longer run, militarisation won't solve the problem but will rather quell it temporarily. What it will do is squeeze huge financial and other resources from the economy instead of finding better and wiser uses for them.
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The entire economic growth system, where one regional centre prints money without respite and consumes material wealth, while another regional centre manufactures inexpensive goods and saves money printed by other governments, has suffered a major setback.

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Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state's omnipotence is another possible mistake.
True, the state's increased role in times of crisis is a natural reaction to market setbacks. Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent.

The concentration of surplus assets in the hands of the state is a negative aspect of anti-crisis measures in virtually every nation.
In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state's role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.

Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.

oilboiler
01-29-2009, 08:30 PM
I read that earlier, and was dumbfounded. Just who is the evil empire now?

jkr
01-29-2009, 08:40 PM
the race to solevancy is on!!

Stary Hickory
01-29-2009, 09:03 PM
If Russia honestly pursues this tactic they will benefit immensely. It is shameful really, what is a free market American ideal is now being used in the ex-Soviet union, meanwhile we embrace failed Socialism

It's truly sad.

lucynuts
01-29-2009, 09:14 PM
Hey I'll move to Russia if they keep it up and live on the other side of the curtain, looks like we will be the USSA, United Socialist States of America. Maybe we can't learn from history but it does seem like Russia did learn from experience.

heavenlyboy34
01-29-2009, 09:21 PM
Hey I'll move to Russia if they keep it up and live on the other side of the curtain, looks like we will be the USSA, United Socialist States of America. Maybe we can't learn from history but it does seem like Russia did learn from experience.

They do have some great women! ;):D (and some of my bestest buddies live in the Moscow area) Russia may end up being a refuge for ex-patriots.:eek::D

cjhowe
01-29-2009, 09:33 PM
As much as I'd like to believe what Putin says here and what Merkel of Germany said last month, it's like OPEC. Take the correct measure in words and then be complicit in actions.

MsDoodahs
01-29-2009, 09:53 PM
Twenty years ago, I read a book called The Sleeping Prophet. It's about Edgar Cayce. He died in 1945...

Some of the stuff he predicted has come to pass, and when I hear about them, I remember that book.

With respect to Russia, the thing I remember Cayce saying was that Russia becomes "the hope of the world." In fact, that was printed in red on the back cover...and was one of the reasons I bought the book, lol.

I used to think that was totally crazy.

Now? Not so crazy.

idiom
01-30-2009, 12:16 AM
I have been saying for a while that Putin may find himself as the bastion of Freedom against a rampaging America.

Knightskye
01-30-2009, 03:27 AM
The existing financial system has failed. Substandard regulation has contributed to the crisis, failing to duly heed tremendous risks.

"chhh... Ron Paul! Calling Ron Paul! Can you hear me!? chhhh..."

MelissaCato
01-30-2009, 08:02 AM
I wanna see a serious interview with Putin and Ron Paul. Can someone set this up please.

MsDoodahs
01-30-2009, 11:25 AM
That would be very interesting, Melissa!

I would also love to see them interviewed together.

If it were to happen, I would expect it would have to be done by the Russians.

yoshimaroka
01-30-2009, 12:26 PM
In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This soon cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.(Vladimir Putin, Davos opening session, 2009)

canadian4ronpaul
01-30-2009, 03:42 PM
(Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867)


(Vladimir Putin, Davos opening session, 2009)

that is both incredible and scary. looks like russia got the bullshit out of the way.

my communism professor told me an "old soviet joke" from back in the day while he was visiting there regularly. actually i will tell you guys two.

"In a capitalist system, its man against man. in a communist system, its the other way around"

and

"communism is the longest and most arduous path from capitalism to capitalism.

yoshimaroka
01-30-2009, 11:30 PM
Actually I just found out that the Karl Marx quote is fake!

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/faux_marx.php

MelissaCato
01-31-2009, 12:14 PM
Actually I just found out that the Karl Marx quote is fake!

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/faux_marx.php

LOL

thats rich ...

... how about that there Barry Soetoro ....

MelissaCato
01-31-2009, 12:19 PM
Did anyone contact the Russians yet about a Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and Putin interview ?

amy31416
01-31-2009, 12:42 PM
God damn. And to think my ancestors fled Russia to escape oppression.

100 years later, their great-grandaughter is contemplating going back to Russia for the very same reason. . .makes ya think.

LiveToWin
01-31-2009, 12:59 PM
Russia may end up being a refuge for ex-patriots.:eek::D

If someone leaves this country when it will need them the most, they Never were a Partiot. They are F**king Cowards.