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Gin
01-29-2009, 02:50 PM
Military to Pledge Oath To Obama, Not Constitution

* Posted by SpitFire on January 29, 2009 at 3:32pm
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Conservative News and Reporting
"News for the Rest of Us"
Michele Chang

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is extremely frustrated with orders that the White House is contemplating. According to sources at the Pentagon, including all branches of the armed forces, the Obama Administration may break with a centuries-old tradition.

A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to have soldiers and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the office of the President, and no longer to the Constitution.

"The oath to the Constitution is as old as the document itself." the spokesman said, "At no time in American history, not even in the Civil War, did the oath change or the subject of the oath differ. It has always been to the Constitution."

The back-and-forth between the White House and the Defense Department was expected as President George W. Bush left office. President Obama has already signed orders to close Guantanamo and to pull combat troops from Iraq. But, this, say many at the Defense Department, goes to far.

"Technically, we can't talk about it before it becomes official policy." the spokesman continued. "However, the Defense Department, including the Secretary, will not take this laying down. Expect a fight from the bureaucracy and the brass."

Sources at the White House had a different point of view. In a circular distributed by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, the rationale for the change was made more clear.

"The President feels that the military has been too indoctrinated by the old harbingers of hate: nationalism, racism, and classism. By removing an oath to the American society, the soldiers are less likely to commit atrocities like those at Abu Ghraib."

"We expect a lot of flak over this," ! the classified memo continues. "But those that would be most against it are those looking either for attention or control."

The time frame for the changes are unknown. However, it is more likely that the changes will be made around the July 4th holiday, in order to dampen any potential backlash. The difference in the oath will actually only be slight. The main differences will be the new phrasing. It is expected that the oath to the Constitution will be entirely phased out within two years.

--
STOP SPP is a non-partisan group of citizens concerned over ...
the creation of the NORTH AMERICAN UNION.
This will dismantle USA as we know it today.
Website: www.StopNAUStopSPP.org

http://www.resistnet.com/

SnappleLlama
01-29-2009, 02:52 PM
:eek:

hillbilly123069
01-29-2009, 02:55 PM
Oh Bull[EXPLICATIVE DELETED]!

Truth Warrior
01-29-2009, 02:56 PM
Didn't Adolph do that too, in Germany, about 77 years ago? I guess it's just "change" for us. Hop on board the ObaMachiavellian Express. ;) :D

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
01-29-2009, 02:57 PM
I have seen (and posted) a lot of damning stuff about Obama.. but this just can't be real.... can it?

georgiaboy
01-29-2009, 02:57 PM
no they won't. no they won't. no.

nate895
01-29-2009, 02:58 PM
Couple this with the students pledging allegiance to pictures of Obama, and I am scared out of my mind right now. What is going to come of this? Either the night is darkest just before the dawn, or this is a seemingly unstoppable train that we are near powerless to stop.

SnappleLlama
01-29-2009, 02:58 PM
I....I can't even.....

*speechless*

Kalifornia
01-29-2009, 02:59 PM
somebody please tell me that this is some crazy conspiracy theory....

Truth Warrior
01-29-2009, 03:00 PM
The Military Lies by Roger Young (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/young-r4.html)

JS4Pat
01-29-2009, 03:00 PM
Can't imagine this is true.

Athough it would take care of those pesky soldiers who refuse to serve because they take their oath seriously.

ronpaulhawaii
01-29-2009, 03:00 PM
New information indicates that this article may be an hoax perpetrated by jumping in pools blogspot (http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2009/01/military-to-pledge-oath-to-obama-not.html). I will however not remove the article until such time it has been further investigated as in respect to substance it would perfectly fit the Usurper and it cannot be excluded the tag “Satire” placed later by the original author.

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=906

nate895
01-29-2009, 03:03 PM
somebody please tell me that this is some crazy conspiracy theory....

I pray that is the case. If it happens, my God, can it? Is it even possible? Surely someone, the SC, the Senate, the House, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, just someone will stop it dead.

Edit: After searching, I'd say it is almost certainly satire, but it goes too far. That is just not funny.

A. Havnes
01-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Hope it turns out to be satire! Jeez, why would someone scare us all like that?

decatren
01-29-2009, 03:29 PM
only published in some blog? not credible at all.

Gin
01-29-2009, 03:58 PM
Hey guys if this is satire I apologize from the bottom of my heart and fell into yet another crap trap....
Folks, I'm not sure that it is so much Satire but that maybe it's been scrubbed... , while trying to further source it,
I came across this which really makes me believe this may very well be true...

This Is Very Disturbing!

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Moderator: To me this is hard news but post where appropiate.

My son, who is in 1st grade, came home yesterday saying that he didn't want to go back to school anymore. So I asked him why? He said that during the Pledge of Allegiance the teacher put up a large image of Obama next to the flag. I asked him if he was sure of this and I suggested to him that maybe the teacher just put up an 8x10 photo of the president. He said, "No, it is a large picture of Obama and when we are done Ms. **** turns off the image." I also asked if they did this for Bush last year? He again said, "No." This was my sons first day back to school since before Christmas, he was on a 5 week track break.

My wife volunteers a couple of days each week with helping out with my sons teacher doing various duties. She said that she would come in early this morning to see what was going on. She just got back and reported that this was true and then some. She said she waited out in the pod area and could see inside 3 of the 5 class rooms in this section of school. She said that when the kids stand each teacher flips on the classroom overhead and a full body image of Obama, with six U.S. flags behind him, comes up about 4 feet away from the flag that hangs on the wall. She said that the image has Obama staring straight at you with no facial expressions, just a serious look. I asked my wife if Obama had his hand over his heart? She said that she was so taken aback by this that she didn't see it. What is worse is she said that all of the kids in each class faced Obama instead of the flag that hangs in the corner.

What the heck is going on?

Guys and gals, I need some advise on how to approach this. I can be somewhat hot headed so I need to plan accordingly with what to say to the principal when we go in to inquire about this. I am sure I will be brushed off so what is my next step? Obviously it will be the school district but then who? ACLU, Veteran groups, Christian groups? Who would be interested in this vile activity?

This is happening in the Clark County School District here in Las Vegas, Henderson area
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=45498

For this reason is why I ALWAYS Source my posts, so you folks know where I get my info....

As far as the original post... I pray to God this is not the case... but something tells me it is true and has been scrubbed from the Net. Alot of information has been scrubbed since Mr. Obama Usurped the Office .. so I am not ready to write it off just yet... just be aware that this possibility does exist.

Truth Warrior
01-29-2009, 04:15 PM
Given the left's long time obsession with the "Cult of Personality", I see no reason to be any too surprised about this possibility. :( :rolleyes:

phill4paul
01-29-2009, 06:15 PM
Copy right infringement.


I think he is referring to the fact that they will have to choose between serving the commander-in-chief or the Constitution.;)

Today 7:19am on post

Liberty Forest ⇒ Liberty Forest ⇒ General Politics
Reload this Page Obama "hard choices for military ahead"

I want my kick-back.;)

Truth Warrior
01-29-2009, 06:27 PM
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=military+pledge+of+loyalty+Obama&btnG=Search (http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=military+pledge+of+loyalty+Obama&btnG=Search)

FWIW.

phill4paul
01-29-2009, 06:34 PM
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=military+pledge+of+loyalty+Obama&btnG=Search (http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=military+pledge+of+loyalty+Obama&btnG=Search)

FWIW.

Wow. Many more on search..it's become a meme. The oldest is from Jan. 28th. A day late and a dollar short again.:(. O.K. I'll settle for a six pack of PBR and a Slim Jim.:D

DJ24966
01-29-2009, 07:45 PM
So, is this a hoax or not?

coyote_sprit
01-29-2009, 08:24 PM
So, is this a hoax or not?

Hoax.

Truth Warrior
01-30-2009, 04:24 AM
I only bothered to look it up in order to get Gin off the hook. ;)

yellowwing
01-30-2009, 09:39 AM
Its rumors. Black Five military website has debunked it.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/01/oaths-changing.html
From Black Five:

My email back to the news exec was that, while I thought it completely false and satirical (all pledges from Demi Moore to President Obama aside), I would look into it. Using a few of the B5 authors' contacts, we have been able to receive verbal confirmation from sources that this is completely FALSE. We will post official responses from General Cartwright's office if/when we receive them.

There you have it.

Blackfive.net defends the Obama Administration from slander. Next up, pigs in flight over the ice flows in the gulf of mexico.

~Blackfive

Update: For the curious, the "news story" has been popping up at other blogs and email, not just the one linked. We wanted to keep it from going viral.

I apologize for any parital heart attacks or strokes this may have caused.

Aratus
01-30-2009, 09:40 AM
tis a hoax... and quite a whopper no less!
given that gates is a hold-over from thah "W"
like who is the idle hand in "loose lips sink ships" terms
like who invented all this around a watercooler???
like burger~king is home of the "whopper"...not?
gin ... like some stories are way too good to be true!

SnappleLlama
01-30-2009, 09:41 AM
Thank the Gourd above this is a hoax!

*sigh of relief*

Truth Warrior
01-30-2009, 09:42 AM
Its rumors. Black Five military website has debunked it.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/01/oaths-changing.html
From Black Five:

My email back to the news exec was that, while I thought it completely false and satirical (all pledges from Demi Moore to President Obama aside), I would look into it. Using a few of the B5 authors' contacts, we have been able to receive verbal confirmation from sources that this is completely FALSE. We will post official responses from General Cartwright's office if/when we receive them.

There you have it.

Blackfive.net defends the Obama Administration from slander. Next up, pigs in flight over the ice flows in the gulf of mexico.

~Blackfive

Update: For the curious, the "news story" has been popping up at other blogs and email, not just the one linked. We wanted to keep it from going viral.

I apologize for any parital heart attacks or strokes this may have caused.
Why should we believe "Black Five military website"? :rolleyes: I can find several websites that call Ron a racist. Does THAT "debunk" Ron? :p

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debunk (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debunk)

ronpaulhawaii
01-30-2009, 09:43 AM
There you have it.

Blackfive.net defends the Obama Administration from slander. Next up, pigs in flight over the ice flows in the gulf of mexico.




haha - thanks and welcome to the forum

Aratus
01-30-2009, 09:45 AM
hoax hoax hoax hoax!

Aratus
01-30-2009, 09:50 AM
figure it out by inference... mr gates is a teamplayer.
barack obama got debriefed by colin powell recently.
connie rice LIKED the idea of hillary then in her job,
for it keeps quite a lid on 911 and all is tres duckie...
THEREFORE, i'd more believe SPIRO AGNEW had an
idea like that in 1973 were he to be sworn in to a much
more powerful job ...than i do believe barack obama is that
creative, inventive, and cognicent of the old roman empire...
...and even then, i would have taken six months to believe even
spiro agnew could contenance a change of the oath like that!!!

Aratus
01-30-2009, 09:58 AM
blackfive defends obama or is it THAT blackfive defends GATES's honor?
if presumably gates's honor is defended, then the potus's is ALSO defended!
we ALL are back to the "gung ho" rules and what a 1950s team player is...

yellowwing
01-30-2009, 02:40 PM
Why should we believe "Black Five military website"? :rolleyes: I can find several websites that call Ron a racist. Does THAT "debunk" Ron? :p

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debunk (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debunk)

That site has members and contributors inside the Pentagon. They are close enough that they can bend the ear of General James E. Cartwright, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Anything more authentic would be a personal phone call from Sec Gates himself.

Good to be on board. We even had a Ron Paul group up here in Winnipeg Canada! Small, but we did our part!

Truth Warrior
01-30-2009, 03:38 PM
That site has members and contributors inside the Pentagon. They are close enough that they can bend the ear of General James E. Cartwright, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Anything more authentic would be a personal phone call from Sec Gates himself.

Good to be on board. We even had a Ron Paul group up here in Winnipeg Canada! Small, but we did our part! Did the Pentagon ever find that TRILLION $ they just "lost", prior to 9/11? :rolleyes:

Theocrat
01-31-2009, 05:39 PM
All hail the messiah. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4)

Kalifornia
01-31-2009, 05:49 PM
has anyone discovered even a shred of evidence to back this claim up?

Truth Warrior
01-31-2009, 06:08 PM
has anyone discovered even a shred of evidence to back this claim up? Well I got quite a few hits on it on a Google search, previously posted. ;) It seemed like more than a shred to me.

MsDoodahs
01-31-2009, 06:35 PM
Hoax. By a blogger who wanted to drive traffic. Please don't go to the site as that WILL accomplish what this pinhead wanted, okay, guys?

h ttp://jumpinginp ools.blogsp ot.com/2009/01/military-to-pledge-oath-to-obama-not.html

Here is what is up at that site now:

"NOTE: This article is, in fact, a satire piece. While you're here, read other articles, like Obama going on the quarter, how he's genetically superior, and how he took down Blago. And you can also check out Joe's Babe of the Week, which comes out every Friday. And become a fan and return and tell your friends. Word up."

Bolding added.

:)

libertarian4321
02-04-2009, 12:29 AM
Military to Pledge Oath To Obama, Not Constitution

* Posted by SpitFire on January 29, 2009 at 3:32pm
* Send Message View SpitFire's blog

Conservative News and Reporting
"News for the Rest of Us"
Michele Chang

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is extremely frustrated with orders that the White House is contemplating. According to sources at the Pentagon, including all branches of the armed forces, the Obama Administration may break with a centuries-old tradition.

A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to have soldiers and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the office of the President, and no longer to the Constitution.

"The oath to the Constitution is as old as the document itself." the spokesman said, "At no time in American history, not even in the Civil War, did the oath change or the subject of the oath differ. It has always been to the Constitution."

The back-and-forth between the White House and the Defense Department was expected as President George W. Bush left office. President Obama has already signed orders to close Guantanamo and to pull combat troops from Iraq. But, this, say many at the Defense Department, goes to far.

"Technically, we can't talk about it before it becomes official policy." the spokesman continued. "However, the Defense Department, including the Secretary, will not take this laying down. Expect a fight from the bureaucracy and the brass."

Sources at the White House had a different point of view. In a circular distributed by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, the rationale for the change was made more clear.

"The President feels that the military has been too indoctrinated by the old harbingers of hate: nationalism, racism, and classism. By removing an oath to the American society, the soldiers are less likely to commit atrocities like those at Abu Ghraib."

"We expect a lot of flak over this," ! the classified memo continues. "But those that would be most against it are those looking either for attention or control."

The time frame for the changes are unknown. However, it is more likely that the changes will be made around the July 4th holiday, in order to dampen any potential backlash. The difference in the oath will actually only be slight. The main differences will be the new phrasing. It is expected that the oath to the Constitution will be entirely phased out within two years.

--
STOP SPP is a non-partisan group of citizens concerned over ...
the creation of the NORTH AMERICAN UNION.
This will dismantle USA as we know it today.
Website: www.StopNAUStopSPP.org

http://www.resistnet.com/

Of course this "story" is utter BS.

I swear, some of you people will believe any crap some idiot puts in a blog...

hillbilly123069
02-05-2009, 02:16 PM
I have seen (and posted) a lot of damning stuff about Obama.. but this just can't be real.... can it?

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1233265667