Give credit where credit is due - Obama has done some good things this week

[ShannonOBrien]

I did not vote for Obama. I disagree with Obama on most things. But I think we are being too partisan. Obama closed down Guantanamo, he's bringing back the Freedom of Information Act, he's communicating with the Muslim world in a friendly way, he's shutting down other CIA prisons, he's banning certain types of torture and he retook his oath when it got majorly flubbed --all in his first week of office! Now, I would have liked him to close down ALL CIA prisons and banned ALL forms of torture. His communication with the muslim community does not excuse his foreign policy objectives. But I think we are getting caught up in the same old partisan bickering. You and I vote for people based on whose past ACTIONS we agree with more. We should not forget that we look at the individual issues, not the R or the D next to their name. I would have liked to have seen some of the things Obama has done right so far on the front of grassroots central l because it pertains to the liberty movement and it helps us remember that liberty supporters are bigger than party politics. Let's remember this next time we are quick to bash Obama.

[speciallyblend]

they are to busy bashing obama ,instead of the corrupt gop leadership. do not worry the republican party is fine and will kick ass and take names next election(SARCASM)

[Austin]

He has done some good things.

He also approved an air strike on Pakistan in his first week.

[ShannonOBrien]

He has done some good things.

He also approved an air strike on Pakistan in his first week.

Did you read my post?!

[raystone]

Obama closed down Guantanamo, - moving prisoners to other locations POLITICAL MANEUVERING
he's bringing back the Freedom of Information Act, - words, no teeth POLITICAL RHETORIC
he's communicating with the Muslim world in a friendly way, he authorized bombings in Pakistan that killed 15 innocents
he's shutting down other CIA prisons, again, moving prisoners around
he's banning certain types of torture - a monkey would have, but not a chimp
and he retook his oath when it got majorly flubbed, did that excite you ?

Everytime you hear him, repeat "It's all political rhetoric to remove liberty from U.S. citizens"

[JK/SEA]

He has done some good things.

He also approved an air strike on Pakistan in his first week.

This is what has me pissed. He does all these ''good'' and wonderful things, but he basically is still a war mongering asswipe, which negates any ''good'' and wonderful things he has done. BTW , they are minor issues anyway. Put them in the ''who cares'' file.


Plus the fact he likes raping taxpayers, but this is a minor issue.

[AdamT]

He did not close down Gitmo.

[paulitics]

I agree. Some definite progress was made this week, and I'm quite surprised actually. I did not see him as being a man of action, just a man of words. Most leaders, esp Bush, were not decsion makers. I did not think for a second, that his first items of business would be Gitmo, CIA prisons, Fisa, esp considering the people he surrounds himself with don't seem very pro liberty. This begs the question, is Obama already going rogue, or is he cunningly buying some political capital for "unpopular decisions" he will make later, recommended by his advisors.

I must say, he is still somewhat of a mystery to me, and I do not know how he will act in a national emergency. I can't tell you at the end of his term how I will judge him. There will be many unpredictable events in the near future, and his role is still uncertain.

[Anti Federalist]

I agree. Some definite progress was made this week, and I'm quite surprised actually. I did not see him as being a man of action, just a man of words. Most leaders, esp Bush, were not decsion makers. I did not think for a second, that his first items of business would be Gitmo, CIA prisons, Fisa, esp considering the people he surrounds himself with don't seem very pro liberty. This begs the question, is Obama already going rogue, or is he cunningly buying some political capital for "unpopular decisions" he will make later, recommended by his advisors.

I must say, he is still somewhat of a mystery to me, and I do not know how he will act in a national emergency. I can't tell you at the end of his term how I will judge him. There will be many unpredictable events in the near future, and his role is still uncertain.

This ^^^ +1

[2young2vote]

I don't like it when Obama says something like "we need to put politics aside" when he is talking about how the republicans and democrats need work together...do you know what he is getting at? He wants there to be NO discussion and NO debate about the policies that he wants because he is looking to gain power. To me, that is basically saying that he wants everyone to agree with his side of the story and to forget every other side. Out of everything that he has said so far as president and throughout his campaign i find that to be the thing that worries me the most. When there comes a day when there is no debate in government we will know that our system has failed.

[TastyWheat]

I'll give credit when it's actually due. Closing gitmo is good IF the prisoners get equal treatment under the law. The FIA is good IF it uncovers some serious misappropriations and not just revealing the waste we already know about. The talks with Muslim nations are good IF he is determined to achieve long term peace. He's shown plenty of great gestures so far, but proving his commitment to openness and accountability will take time. The latest stimulus bill is likely to negate most of his good decisions if and when it passes. Fiscal irresponsibility is apparently a nonpartisan trait.

[Austin]

Did you read my post?!
Yes.

[Original_Intent]

My martial arts teacher used to say that hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is the opposite of love. To hate something you had to have at least loved it once and it disappointed you.

I think Barack had better enjoy the honeymoon, because there is a lot of potential hate out there right now. I wish I knew what the elites had planned for him - is he going to be their fall guy or are they grooming him to be the world messiah? I tend to believe the latter.

[ShannonOBrien]

It seems to me that there are two schools of thought here. Some people think you should reward someone when they do something good and punish them when they do something bad. Other people think that if you do something bad, it cancels out the good thing. I think the latter is a fallacy. If you were in a relationship with someone and they rub your feet one day, if they walk into the house with muddy shoes the next day does that negate the good deed they did earlier?

[JK/SEA]

Frankly Shannon, i'm at the point in my life where i'm sick and tired of this fake government we have., and have decided to be a little more judgemental of my so-called 'leaders', especially when it concerns illegal wars, and the possibility my kids could be drafted into one of Obama/Bush's killing fields.

Comparing muddy feet to a young ones head being blown off is rather ... sad.

Obama gets no free pass from me, on ANYTHING. He is a part of the NWO crowd, and is mesmerizing the sheep, as is evidenced by some postings on this thread.

RON PAUL 2012.

[BeFranklin]

I don't like it when Obama says something like "we need to put politics aside" when he is talking about how the republicans and democrats need work together...do you know what he is getting at? He wants there to be NO discussion and NO debate about the policies that he wants because he is looking to gain power. To me, that is basically saying that he wants everyone to agree with his side of the story and to forget every other side. Out of everything that he has said so far as president and throughout his campaign i find that to be the thing that worries me the most. When there comes a day when there is no debate in government we will know that our system has failed.

Keep repeating that, its said well :)

[Malakai]

He has done some good things.

He also approved an air strike on Pakistan in his first week.

this is what i was thinking heh

[Liberty Rebellion]

He also broke his own rules by bringing on William "Merchant of Death" Lynn of Raytheon "We Blow Shit Up & Kill People" Inc. as his Deputy Defense Secretary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2vmINhIhME

I'm sure having someone at the top of the DoD food-chain with money to be made by having the US blowing shit up & killing people everywhere is not a conflict of interest. :rolleyes:

And Guantanamo is NOT closed. I'll believe it when I see it.

Edit:
And supporting liberty and supporting Obama are contradictions and non-partisan. I could care less what party he's in because ultimately both parties are the same and, thus, non-partisan on their push for global government.

Obama voted for FISA, renewing the Patriot Act, the first bailout, and now as President is pushing the Congress to pass the second bailout. What does liberty have to do with ANY of those?

[zach]

I refuse to believe that anyone who is pushed by the networks and everyone's uncle to be the next JFK is going to become a friend of liberty.

I'd rather be called a kook.

[Anti Federalist]

Frankly Shannon, i'm at the point in my life where i'm sick and tired of this fake government we have., and have decided to be a little more judgemental of my so-called 'leaders', especially when it concerns illegal wars, and the possibility my kids could be drafted into one of Obama/Bush's killing fields.

Comparing muddy feet to a young ones head being blown off is rather ... sad.

Obama gets no free pass from me, on ANYTHING. He is a part of the NWO crowd, and is mesmerizing the sheep, as is evidenced by some postings on this thread.

RON PAUL 2012.

This too ^^^ +1

[powerofreason]

He killed 15 people. Whatever else he did, could not possibly make up killing 15 innocent people.

[powerofreason]

Whatever your views on government, whether you're a socialist or a minarchist or a conservative etc. their is absolutely no need for a federal government. Its a flat out scam. Its a criminal enterprise, any way you slice it.

[Zolah]

He killed 15 people. Whatever else he did, could not possibly make up killing 15 innocent people.

Seconded - plus Pakistan is still a sovereign nation who do not want America killing its people (surprising right?) Hardly comparable to muddy shoes..

[Cinderella]

ummm how bout NO!

[FunkBuddha]

This post reminds me of a Chris Rock quote.


You know the worst thing about niggas? Niggas always want credit for some shit they supposed to do. A nigga will brag about some shit a normal man just does. A nigga will say some shit like, "I take care of my kids." You're supposed to, you dumb motherfucker! What kind of ignorant shit is that? "I ain't never been to jail!" What do you want, a cookie?! You're not supposed to go to jail, you low-expectation-having motherfucker!

You can't give the guy credit for doing something he's supposed to do like NOT torture people. You give people credit for raising the bar. Just because the last guy couldn't reach the bar doesn't mean you get accolades because you can.

[ClayTrainor]

This post reminds me of a Chris Rock quote.



You can't give the guy credit for doing something he's supposed to do like NOT torture people. You give people credit for raising the bar. Just because the last guy couldn't reach the bar doesn't mean you get accolades because you can.


Very well stated!


I personally think Obama is trying to buy brownie points before SHTF

[Ninja Homer]

Seconded - plus Pakistan is still a sovereign nation who do not want America killing its people (surprising right?) Hardly comparable to muddy shoes..

Not to mention Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal... not exactly the smartest thing to do the first week in office.

I wonder how many potential terrorist candidates were sitting on the fence about joining, thinking that maybe Obama as president really would be a change?

[Epic]

He killed some people in Pakistan, plus he's trying to take around $1 TRILLION of people's wealth away to give to democrat special interest groups - hence, he is the partisan one....

Nobody here has ANY idea just how big 1 TRILLION dollars is. Our mind cannot comprehend it.

[Krugerrand]

I don't like it when Obama says something like "we need to put politics aside" when he is talking about how the republicans and democrats need work together...do you know what he is getting at? He wants there to be NO discussion and NO debate about the policies that he wants because he is looking to gain power. To me, that is basically saying that he wants everyone to agree with his side of the story and to forget every other side. Out of everything that he has said so far as president and throughout his campaign i find that to be the thing that worries me the most. When there comes a day when there is no debate in government we will know that our system has failed.

I am particularly distrustful of somebody saying this with as partisan a voting record as he had. He wasn't singing "let's all get along" when it came time to work with Republicans from the Senate. That was the same tune Bush sang when he was first elected ... but at least he had a record of working with Democrats in Texas.

Also ... he authorized the US to send money to foreign countries to help them kill their unborn children. That's hardly an appropriate use of tax payer dollars.

[Epic]

Not to mention he just signed the LABOR THEORY OF VALUE "equal pay" law

Now, businesses cannot determine how much they pay workers - the government determines how much businesses have to pay workers, in many instances.

Talk about the demise of a civilization...