FEMA camp authorization - House Bill 645

[Anti Federalist]

HR 645 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645), introduced by Alcee Hastings (D - FL)

The bill authorizes the creation of, and the legitimization of those already built, FEMA re-location camps on military bases across the country.

Relevant subsections of the bill:

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Subsection b (4), this is critical: it gives carte blanche to the DHS to use these for whatever reason they decide.

Section 6 - paragraph 2:

(2) EMERGENCY- The term ‘emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

Here is 42 USC 5122:

(1) Emergency.— “Emergency” means any occasion or instance for which, in the determination of the President, Federal assistance is needed to supplement State and local efforts and capabilities to save lives and to protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States.

Also critical, this gives the same authority to the president, to declare and emergency solely at the president's determination.

So, what was once dismissed as a loony conspiracy theory, and then to a shadowy government/MIC project has now become legitimate and is prepared to be passed into law.

[Kotin]

well as long as its legit.. :rolleyes:

[Dieseler]

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[heavenlyboy34]

100 years from now people will read about this in history books with the same indifference they do when they read about the Trail of Tears.
"Thats just awful" they will say.
Enslave the meek, and carpet bomb the rest.
Plant new grass and start all over again.
:( This makes me sad.

[Dieseler]

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[cthulhufan]

They built one of these atrocities at the Army base ~100 miles from my house. It is said, but I haven't seen it, that the barbed/razor wire on top of the surrounding fence is slanted inward. No thanks, FEMA.

Thanks for posting the HR number.

[eOs]

Seems like the survivors of hurricane Katrina could of used something like this instead of shoving them in unsanitary hostel like places where disease and crime was taking place.

What an incompetent government.

[LibertyEagle]

100 years from now people will read about this in history books with the same indifference they do when they read about the Trail of Tears.
"Thats just awful" they will say.
Enslave the meek, and carpet bomb the rest.
Plant new grass and start all over again.

That, or another example of how/why the people would so stupidly welcome something so horrible as national socialism/communism.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

So America's Concentration Camps are legal now. Anyone wanna take bets on them being designed closely to those built originally by the British during the 2nd Boer War (IIRC)? Now the question is how to get it into the mainstream conciousness that this happened.

[ryanduff]

Saw this on infowars the other day. Scary sh*t.

[Dieseler]

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[Uriel999]

Good luck getting me to ever go to one of those

[Anti Federalist]

100 years from now people will read about this in history books with the same indifference they do when they read about the Trail of Tears.
"Thats just awful" they will say.
Enslave the meek, and carpet bomb the rest.
Plant new grass and start all over again.

It won't even take that long.

"The gulags? What's that?"

We are literally at a crossroads here, we can follow along, like Dieseler mentioned, and be be a "sad" footnote of history, nothing but grass fertilizer, or we can start to "man up" about what is going on here, and start getting prepared to fight this.

[LittleLightShining]

Thanks, Anti Fed. I think :( Just another bill congress won't listen to us about. Hee's a link from way back when I first started hearing about this: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-27.htm

[Anti Federalist]

Thanks, Anti Fed. I think :( Just another bill congress won't listen to us about. Hee's a link from way back when I first started hearing about this: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-27.htm

Oh. no doubt, this has been brewing for a while now, and like you, I've been raising hell about it as well.

But rather than being buried in a defense appropriations bill somewhere and a no bid contract handed out to Halliburton, now they are "going public" with it, on the books, to be used however government sees fit.

We're in big freakin' trouble here, and no fooling.:mad:

[phill4paul]

We're in big freakin' trouble here, and no fooling.:mad:

Quite right. Government seems to be pushing this crap so fast now it is hard to keep up. Gun rights, Fema camps, taxation, foreign intervention, bailouts, the destruction of the economy it is coming quicker and with more force.

It has me rethinking many things like the ability for correction or lack thereof.

:mad::confused::eek: depending on the day and the type of legislation.

[MsDoodahs]

Our government is completely unprepared to handle an economic collapse, but our government is EXPERT at making war, so....

They'll do what they're expert at.


:eek:

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Well, now the question is what in the hell are we gonna do about it? If they begin declaring an 'emergency' and rounding people up to throw in camps, what then?

[lucius]

The similarities to 1930's germany and now are eerie: everything done legal, leviathan just crossing the t's, dotting the i's--almost like it is the same freakin' game plan. I speculate that there actually are FEMA RED/BLUE lists created, which may parallel the Nazi RED/BLUE Lists; not exactly a new idea, old esoteric plans used for control--Niccolo Maximilian Machiavelli spoke about how critical this form of surprise extinguishing of dissent in his Prince from 500 years ago.

Outlandish you may think? Nazi plan was published by Heinz Hohne in his 1966 book, The Story of the Nazi SS: The Order of the Death's Head. Let's us not forget another pertinent lesson:

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: what would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand...

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

--The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

[phill4paul]

The similarities to 1930's germany and now are eerie: everything done legal, leviathan just crossing the t's, dotting the i's--almost like it is the same freakin' game plan. I speculate that there actually are FEMA RED/BLUE lists created, which may parallel the Nazi RED/BLUE Lists; not exactly a new idea, old esoteric plans used for control--Niccolo Maximilian Machiavelli spoke about how critical this form of surprise extinguishing of dissent in his Prince from 500 years ago.

Outlandish you may think? Nazi plan was published by Heinz Hohne in his 1966 book, The Story of the Nazi SS: The Order of the Death's Head. Let's us not forget another pertinent lesson:

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: what would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand...

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

--The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Funny, I was attracted to that same quote earlier this afternoon.

[slothman]

So America's Concentration Camps are legal now. Anyone wanna take bets on them being designed closely to those built originally by the British during the 2nd Boer War (IIRC)? Now the question is how to get it into the mainstream conciousness that this happened.

They have always been legal.
The Japanesse during WWII and the Rebels during the Civil War both had Concentration Camps.
The Japanesse one was just to round up the people; while the Rebel one may have actually had torture and killings in it.

[anaconda]

I don't want my federal government building camps.

[Dieseler]

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[lucius]

They have always been legal.
The Japanesse during WWII and the Rebels during the Civil War both had Concentration Camps.
The Japanesse one was just to round up the people; while the Rebel one may have actually had torture and killings in it.

The northern Elmira (upstate new york) was designed as a death camp as well, built on a swamp. Look at the Union engineers' deaths in-spite of superior nutrition:

50th NY Engineers
Organized: Elmira, NY on 10/22/1861
Mustered Out: 6/14/1865 at Fort Berry, VA

Officers Killed or Mortally Wounded: 1
Officers Died of Disease, Accidents, etc.: 1
Enlisted Men Killed or Mortally Wounded: 19
Enlisted Men Died of Disease, Accidents, etc.: 206
(Source: Fox, Regimental Losses)

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

You just simply don't go and that means whatever it takes. Talk with your family or the people you live with and let them know where you stand if you feel that way to. I did and they understand. No need beating around the bush about it. They may want to run out of the house screaming when the U.N. or FEMA trucks show up. Thats up to them. I ain't taking hostages.
My motto is, don't start no shit and there won't be none. Its simple. I'm a law abiding citizen, I pay my taxes on time and I show any man the respect he shows me. I ain't taking no ride to no camp. I done heard about it and seen the pictures.
Nope.

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

[Scofield]

The northern Elmira (upstate new york) was designed as a death camp as well, built on a swamp. Look at the Union engineers' deaths in-spite of superior nutrition:

50th NY Engineers
Organized: Elmira, NY on 10/22/1861
Mustered Out: 6/14/1865 at Fort Berry, VA

Officers Killed or Mortally Wounded: 1
Officers Died of Disease, Accidents, etc.: 1
Enlisted Men Killed or Mortally Wounded: 19
Enlisted Men Died of Disease, Accidents, etc.: 206
(Source: Fox, Regimental Losses)

I live right outside of Elmira (like 10 minutes).

:)

[lucius]

I live right outside of Elmira (like 10 minutes).

:)


I used to live in Norwich--I loved it! I have a lifetime NY hunting license.

ps: like your posts, hate your inculcating cookbook of a reference bible--just kidding. :D

[Agent CSL]

and check out my Civ.Lib topic on the hiring spree of 11,000 girl scouts.

[Cinderella]

why is it that i posted this days ago and the "did ron paul do cocaine" thread got more views?

[pinkmandy]

Our government is completely unprepared to handle an economic collapse, but our government is EXPERT at making war, so....

They'll do what they're expert at.


:eek:

My thoughts as well. :eek::mad:

I don't understand how some of us in this country see plainly what is going on but the vast majority just...don't. And refuse to even consider it. :confused:

[dr. hfn]

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[raiha]

Well I hope you've all got nice stripey pyjamas. I guess they provide them if you haven't.

[cheapseats]

There is a huge and unfamiliar fenced area off of Highway 5 in California -- better weather. The razor wire at the top slants inward.

[micahnelson]

I work at a facility that has been reported as a FEMA camp location. There is no FEMA camp at my location. When I saw my place of work being passed around on these lists- I was easily able to dismiss the entire idea. It seems I through out the baby with the bathwater.

If you live near one, we need pictures and information. Instead of trying to vet a massive list, lets choose a few we have access to, get some pictures, get some testimony, and create a decent write up.

If this is a hoax, or trumped up , its not helpful. If there is any chance this is true we need to act immediately. I don't live near one of these, who does?

[ingrid]

I work at a facility that has been reported as a FEMA camp location. There is no FEMA camp at my location. When I saw my place of work being passed around on these lists- I was easily able to dismiss the entire idea. It seems I through out the baby with the bathwater.

If you live near one, we need pictures and information. Instead of trying to vet a massive list, lets choose a few we have access to, get some pictures, get some testimony, and create a decent write up.

If this is a hoax, or trumped up , its not helpful. If there is any chance this is true we need to act immediately. I don't live near one of these, who does?

hmm

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.
http://www.kbr.com/news/2006/govnews_060124.aspx

Could your facility be turned into a camp in a short period of time?

[idiom]

Lol the Inauguration was a national Emergency. And that was a previously scheduled event.

[micahnelson]

hmm

Could your facility be turned into a camp in a short period of time?

Not likely. I mean, we have a fence around our facility- but we always have. They upgraded security- but only to an extent that meets the new "9/11" standards, which is to say the security upgrades are not of the sort that would prevent large groups of people from getting out of the perimeter.

All construction on the facility in recent years has been buildings and parking lots.

I guess anything could be turned into a camp- but there certainly isn't any evidence of it- especially not of the sort that I saw being claimed.

I'm not denying that these camps are real- but we need pictures, testimony, and documentation to prove it if they are. If we can't provide that, then we are simply fear mongering. If someone lives near one and has pictures and can get me contact information for people that run the place or built it- I would personally contact them and write the article myself.

[pcosmar]

Wait

Aren't these the camps that many pro Government disinfo agents have been telling us don't exist?

That said, Bridges can be removed . Rails can be removed.
And I have some prison experience as well as Military E&E, should we find ourselves inside.:mad:

[rancher89]

You just simply don't go and that means whatever it takes.
Talk with your family or the people you live with and let them know where you stand if you feel that way to.
I did and they understand.
No need beating around the bush about it.
They may want to run out of the house screaming when the U.N. or FEMA trucks show up.
Thats up to them.
I ain't taking hostages.
My motto is, don't start no shit and there won't be none.
Its simple.
I'm a law abiding citizen, I pay my taxes on time and I show any man the respect he shows me.
I ain't taking no ride to no camp.
I done heard about it and seen the pictures.
Nope.

I'm with ya, who knows what they'll try to do to you in those camps and you have no recourse, no help, no one listening...uh uh, not me. I too am a law abiding, average citizen, who just happens to believe that we still have a choice. If that makes me a terrorist, then, I must say, I have very good company......Say "no to FEMA camps"

[lucius]

You just simply don't go and that means whatever it takes.
Talk with your family or the people you live with and let them know where you stand if you feel that way to.
I did and they understand.
No need beating around the bush about it.
They may want to run out of the house screaming when the U.N. or FEMA trucks show up.
Thats up to them.
I ain't taking hostages.
My motto is, don't start no shit and there won't be none.
Its simple.
I'm a law abiding citizen, I pay my taxes on time and I show any man the respect he shows me.
I ain't taking no ride to no camp.
I done heard about it and seen the pictures.
Nope.

I agree (+1) and understand this pertinent lesson:

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: what would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand...

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

--The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn [/COLOR][/I]

[SnappleLlama]

I'm not going. I'm allergic to barbed wire and public showering.

[Ex Post Facto]

It seems all conspiracy theories are coming to fruition.

[Anti Federalist]

It seems all conspiracy theories are coming to fruition.

Imagine my surprise.:rolleyes:;)

[LittleLightShining]

It won't even take that long.

"The gulags? What's that?"

We are literally at a crossroads here, we can follow along, like Dieseler mentioned, and be be a "sad" footnote of history, nothing but grass fertilizer, or we can start to "man up" about what is going on here, and start getting prepared to fight this.

I'm dumbfounded by the response I'm getting when I talk to people about this.

"What's so bad about emergency centers?"

[moostraks]

I'm dumbfounded by the response I'm getting when I talk to people about this.

"What's so bad about emergency centers?"

Ha...no doubt. Pair that with the just want to microchip you so they can keep track of your medical history!!! B-s!! There are no coincidences in politics...:mad:

[eOs]

Emergency government intervention systems can exist without it being a concentration camp. I think the fact that these centers are being built on old military bases is enabling the conspiracy theorist's mind to run amok. Once these centers are fully functional and renovated then we can begin to panic if need be. I see no reason for the uproar because of some barbed wire fences and security measures concerning an old military base.

[lucius]

As leviathan quietly crosses the t's and dots the i's, uncannily eerie to the rise of the third reich, one may hear a distant call:

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged

The call becomes somewhat more clarion as leviathan progresses:

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? . . ."

". . . After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you,d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur"what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!" [suggesting pro-action if waranted...]

Alexander Solzhenitsyn - The Gulag Archipelago

Go peruse this thread, puts government assistance in a far different light: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=178050

[micahnelson]

So everyone knows these things are there, but no one is willing to photograph one?

Look, if the massive list floating around online is true- these things are going to be public and visible. Stop flapping your keys about the shit, and how it may be hitting the fan, and take a few pictures.

We need evidence. Put up or shut up.

I am confirming that there is no FEMA prison in Newport or Middletown RI.

[lucius]

So everyone knows these things are there, but no one is willing to photograph one?

Look, if the massive list floating around online is true- these things are going to be public and visible. Stop flapping your keys about the shit, and how it may be hitting the fan, and take a few pictures.

We need evidence. Put up or shut up.

I am confirming that there is no FEMA prison in Newport or Middletown RI.

Just look at KBR own website: http://www.kbr.com/news/2006/govnews_060124.aspx

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.

I have seen two with my own eyes in Texas.

for the watchers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ