Has Ron Paul used cocaine? Have you?

[LiveFree79]

I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says. But he speaks to my common sense, gut, intuitistic side or whatever you want to call it. On top of that I think he's a good man. With good morals. Maybe Im wrong, I don't know. I'm not some evangelical/puritanistic drugs are bad goodie goodie. I did my fare share of drinking in high school and college. I smoked weed a few times and that was it. But although exposed to it a few times I have NEVER tried nor had the desire to try cocaine, meth, heroin, or something seemingly harmless as mushshrooms. I mean I had friends pull out a bag of shrooms and ask me if I wanted some. I don't know. I just honestly never had the desire. It also just felt wrong and I wasn't raised in an overly religious environment either. I hate drinking now. In fact I hate everything about our alcoholic culture. But that's besides the point. My point is it didn't sit well with me when Obama had admitted to using cocaine when he was younger. I know how the real world works. People we would never suspect have or probably are using drugs. Obvioulsy America has a huge drug problem. But I think the drugs someone uses or the fact that someone even uses drugs says a lot about their character. I really do. Maybe I'm prude or whatever. But cocaine is not pot. And even though Obama might have only used it a few times that fact that he made that conscious decision in my opinion says a lot about someone. Maybe it's no big deal. Afterall I'm not an Obama supporter. And not because of his past drug use. Mostly because of his obviously ideology. But do you feel using cocaine is a moot, nonissue? I mean is having an affair meaningless nowadays? We all know this stuff probably went on 50 years ago as well. Why do we try to teach our kids that adultery and drugs are bad yet condone it among ourselves as adults. Or make excuses for it?

[A. Havnes]

No, I've never used drugs. Believe it or not, I've also still yet to take my first drink. Anyway, Ron Paul's point is that the government can't make anyone be a good person, stop taking drugs, or doing any other immoral thing. The harder the Federal Government cracks down on such behaviors, the more violent the people addicted to them become.

I also don't think Ron Paul has done any drugs. Being a physician, he would know the harmful effects of them, but he does realize that some, like hemp, have medical purposes that can help a person in a way that harmful chemicles can't. On that same note, most prescription drugs are just as harmful as anything you can snort, smoke, or inject.

Yes, I'm not fond of drugs, either, but I'm pretty sure Ron Paul knows what he's talking about. I actually haven't done much research on the subject, actually.

[heavenlyboy34]

the side of BO's drug use are not yet as apparent as GWB's. ;)

[t0rnado]

People do drugs because their lives suck and they want to escape reality. I don't see much of a difference between someone who drinks alcohol or smokes pot or snorts cocaine. I know one kid that has cocaine issues and he was less hypocritical about drug use than all the problem drinkers and potheads I know. I've never done any drugs or even had a sip of alcohol and I don't plan on it.

That being said, the cokehead is a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter while the problem drinker supports McCain, and the pothead supports Obama.

As far as I see it, drugs are drugs and the only differences I see between someone who drinks caffeinated coffee and snorts cocaine is that one is more potent in less quantities.

[ClayTrainor]

I highly doubt Ron Paul ever tried cocaine, as he's always been a healthy, athletic and religious oriented person. I suppose it's possible, and i imagine, he's been in situation where he's encountered cocaine use in his presence, but i doubt he ever tried it.

I personally have tried it twice, and will never do it again. I have no problems with anyone who admits to doing any drugs whatsoever, as we are all free to use our bodies however we want. However, I will try to the best of my ability to stop any of my friends from doing Coke, but there's only so much that I can do, when it is their will.

I have absolutely no problem with Obama admitting that he's tried Cocaine. It seems like an honest gesture to me, and we've all made mistakes.


His tyrannical policies on the other hand, i have a problem with :cool:

[orafi]

can you imagine ron paul keeled over and drooling drowsily on his dresser with white dust all over his face? eyes rolled back and a goofy smile from ecstasy, mumbling random bits and fragments of the bill of rights and all that stuff?

[SnappleLlama]

I've never done drugs, and I have maybe one alcoholic drink per year (if that), because I don't really like the taste. I don't give a hoof what anyone else does, though.

[gls]

I've used it. It's like anything else; some people are able to go about it in a moderate and responsible manner, others aren't.

My only "issue" with Obama's admission is the hypocrisy involved. If he had been caught using he would never have become a state senator never mind U.S. President. Yet he supports imposing draconian punishments on those who do exactly what he did.

[heavenlyboy34]

I've never done drugs, and I have maybe one alcoholic drink per year (if that), because I don't really like the taste. I don't give a hoof what anyone else does, though.

Have you tried any of those drug-free methods for hallucinating that I posted several days ago, Snapple? ;) They haven't been tested on llamas before. :eek::)

[pcosmar]

I've used it. It's like anything else; some people are able to go about it in a moderate and responsible manner, others aren't.

My only "issue" with Obama's admission is the hypocrisy involved. If he had been caught using he would never have become a state senator never mind U.S. President. Yet he supports imposing draconian punishments on those who do exactly what he did.

I doubt Ron has "used" cocaine. But he may well have prescribed it in the past. It used to be a common anesthetic.
I used some occasionally in my youth, but it was rare and very expensive. It was the "Rich Mans" drug.
The WOD has made it cheaper, and more readily available.
Go figure.

[Freedom 4 all]

I've got drunk a few times but it's far from my favorite thing to do. I've never done any serious drugs. I am however very sick of the mentality that you must be a drug user if you oppose the WOD. I couldn't care less what anyone else does but I do agree it's kind of hypocritical to support WOD if you have at any time in your past used drugs.

[SnappleLlama]

Have you tried any of those drug-free methods for hallucinating that I posted several days ago, Snapple? ;) They haven't been tested on llamas before. :eek::)

Oooh, oooh! Do ye have the link??

[yoshimaroka]

People do drugs because their lives suck and they want to escape reality.

Big generalization.


I started using drugs in high school because I was curious. My life didn't/doesn't suck and I was/am still grounded.

Using drugs in a social situation or at the cottage once in a while is what some people like.

Although I have never done cocaine or any hard drugs, and never any over the counter drugs.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not giving any details, but yes.

[Crash Martinez]

I started using drugs in high school and I am still grounded.


haha! ;)

[LiveFree79]

What I find hypocritical is that people admit to using coke, pot, drinking excessively etc. But the minute someone admits to using anabolic steroids they are lambasted and shunned. LMAO! I mean hell.....if Obama would have admitted to using anabolic steroids he probably would never have been elected. I have no problems with any grown adult using steroids to better their bodies. This crusade against steroids is as much of a joke as the war on drugs lately. If you guys haven't seen it I'd pick up the documentary Bigger, Stronger, Faster. Hell I think in general American men especially politicians could use a little more testosterone. :)

[FunkBuddha]

Big generalization.

Especially from someone who admits he's never done any drugs.

I've used most drugs in my past. I very seldom use them anymore but on occasion I will. Like the previous poster, I tried them because I wanted to see what it was like. I was always told to say "No" to drugs and that I should be afraid to try them because I might become addicted. Never being one to respect the imaginary authority of teachers, cops and principals, I did them anyway.

If I'm going to the dentist for some serious work I'll take a Valium or a Xanax to calm my nerves. I've done enough variety that I know what they're good for and what they are not good for. I also know that I can't take most pain-killers due to allergic reactions. Cocaine for me is a waste of money. I don't like getting on my own nerves, much less everyone else's.

Ecstacy was fun but it got old. Meth.... Yuck! Acid... Yuck! Shrooms, rock on! Pot, not for me anymore. I had my share though. Alcohol, on rare occasion. Opium... ahhhhh...... Opium. Never did heroin or PCP. Didn't look like much fun to me. Am I leaving anything out? Oh yeah, cigarrettes... I smoke somewhere between 5-8 a day on weekdays and less on weekends.

I've known/still know people that use drugs to help them cope with reality. Those types of people are the ones who usually end up addicted. To make a broad generalization that everyone who uses drugs has some sort of mental issue is silly. Especially in this movement where we recognize that individuals are unique and difficult to classify.

[pinkmandy]

I've used it. It's like anything else; some people are able to go about it in a moderate and responsible manner, others aren't.

My only "issue" with Obama's admission is the hypocrisy involved. If he had been caught using he would never have become a state senator never mind U.S. President. Yet he supports imposing draconian punishments on those who do exactly what he did.

That's how I feel. I'm sure most of our leaders have used illegal substances yet they do nothing about all the people sitting in prison or paying huge fines for doing the same thing. One sits in prison, one becomes President. Wtf is that about? :mad:

[LiveFree79]

Especially from someone who admits he's never done any drugs.

I've used most drugs in my past. I very seldom use them anymore but on occasion I will. Like the previous poster, I tried them because I wanted to see what it was like. I was always told to say "No" to drugs and that I should be afraid to try them because I might become addicted. Never being one to respect the imaginary authority of teachers, cops and principals, I did them anyway.

If I'm going to the dentist for some serious work I'll take a Valium or a Xanax to calm my nerves. I've done enough variety that I know what they're good for and what they are not good for. I also know that I can't take most pain-killers due to allergic reactions. Cocaine for me is a waste of money. I don't like getting on my own nerves, much less everyone else's.

Ecstacy was fun but it got old. Meth.... Yuck! Acid... Yuck! Shrooms, rock on! Pot, not for me anymore. I had my share though. Alcohol, on rare occasion. Opium... ahhhhh...... Opium. Never did heroin or PCP. Didn't look like much fun to me. Am I leaving anything out? Oh yeah, cigarrettes... I smoke somewhere between 5-8 a day on weekdays and less on weekends.

I've known/still know people that use drugs to help them cope with reality. Those types of people are the ones who usually end up addicted. To make a broad generalization that everyone who uses drugs has some sort of mental issue is silly. Especially in this movement where we recognize that individuals are unique and difficult to classify.

No offense but you're probably the exact type of person that has no problems doing all those drugs but the minute you hear "steroids" you go on some rant about how they'll shrink your balls and turn someone into a raving lunatic. Or maybe you're not. I'd rather go to the gym, have sex, climb a mountain, paddle some whitewater than do drugs. I've never really understood the need for using drugs. But I've also never used them so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. Hell I hate being drunk. I have no idea why anyone would smoke. But I don't think any of it should be illegal.

[robert9712000]

The problem i mainly see with the additude towards drugs is the judgment made by some that to use drugs means your automatically a dangerous criminal not to be trusted in society and then theyll be the person that takes doctor prescribed medication to supress anxiety or some other modern day condition .To me its the kettle calling the coffee black.
The only problem with all drugs is when it controls your life,thats when the criminal actions happen,because people do things they normally wouldnt to feed there addiction .Drugs being illegal is what also causes the criminal action in alot of situations because it forces a addict to seek out extreme measures to aquire it.
Ive tried lsd cocaine pot ect. mainly out of curiousity but also just for recreational fun.Now granted most of my experiences with it was in my early 20s and i really dont care if i ever use it again or not.
The only reason id recomend a person to not try it is if they lack self control,because like anything to much of a good thing can become bad only because your not in control.

Robert Wagner

[LiveFree79]

The problem i mainly see with the additude towards drugs is the judgment made by some that to use drugs means your automatically a dangerous criminal not to be trusted in society and then theyll be the person that takes doctor prescribed medication to supress anxiety or some other modern day condition .To me its the kettle calling the coffee black.
The only problem with all drugs is when it controls your life,thats when the criminal actions happen,because people do things they normally wouldnt to feed there addiction .Drugs being illegal is what also causes the criminal action in alot of situations because it forces a addict to seek out extreme measures to aquire it.
Ive tried lsd cocaine pot ect. mainly out of curiousity but also just for recreational fun.Now granted most of my experiences with it was in my early 20s and i really dont care if i ever use it again or not.
The only reason id recomend a person to not try it is if they lack self control,because like anything to much of a good thing can become bad only because your not in control.

Robert Wagner

Yes but people usually overestimate their ability to have self control. Drugs are addictive plain and simple. I work in healthcare and see people become hooked on painkillers everyday. People are addicted to pornography. People are addicted to a lot of things in society and most don't even realize it. Some people have more of an addictive personality than others. I doubt there are many people that who use coke or smoke pot etc. wouldn't do it much more frequently if it wasn't shunned by society or illegal. I know TONS of people that drink too much. Are they alcoholics? No. Does it impact their day to day lives. Not really. But these are also the same people that can rarely do anything social without "drinking" being somehow involved.

Hell Americans are addicted to junkfood.

[heavenlyboy34]

Oooh, oooh! Do ye have the link??

Matter of fact, I do! :D

how to hallucinate without drugs :) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175883&highlight=hallucinate)

You're welcome. :) Llama power! :D:D:D

[SnappleLlama]

Matter of fact, I do! :D

how to hallucinate without drugs :) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175883&highlight=hallucinate)

You're welcome. :) Llamas power! :D:D:D

Yaaaaaay!!! Thank you! :D

[heavenlyboy34]

Yaaaaaay!!! Thank you! :D

y/w! Now, go free some imprisoned llamas from admin's clutches and get high together (peacefully). :D:)

[FunkBuddha]

No offense but you're probably the exact type of person that has no problems doing all those drugs but the minute you hear "steroids" you go on some rant about how they'll shrink your balls and turn someone into a raving lunatic. Or maybe you're not. I'd rather go to the gym, have sex, climb a mountain, paddle some whitewater than do drugs. I've never really understood the need for using drugs. But I've also never used them so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. Hell I hate being drunk. I have no idea why anyone would smoke. But I don't think any of it should be illegal.

I don't care one bit if someone uses steroids. I had to take them in Junior High for a bad poison ivy infection and got put into suspension for fighting. Then I got out-of-school suspension for fighting in in-school suspension so I try and avoid them nowadays.

I also have no problem with people who don't use drugs. Sex, mountain climbing and whitewater are fun too!

[surf]

there's a time and a place for everything - even experimenting with drugs. it's called college.

[shaunish]

I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says. But he speaks to my common sense, gut, intuitistic side or whatever you want to call it. On top of that I think he's a good man. With good morals. Maybe Im wrong, I don't know. I'm not some evangelical/puritanistic drugs are bad goodie goodie. I did my fare share of drinking in high school and college. I smoked weed a few times and that was it. But although exposed to it a few times I have NEVER tried nor had the desire to try cocaine, meth, heroin, or something seemingly harmless as mushshrooms. I mean I had friends pull out a bag of shrooms and ask me if I wanted some. I don't know. I just honestly never had the desire. It also just felt wrong and I wasn't raised in an overly religious environment either. I hate drinking now. In fact I hate everything about our alcoholic culture. But that's besides the point. My point is it didn't sit well with me when Obama had admitted to using cocaine when he was younger. I know how the real world works. People we would never suspect have or probably are using drugs. Obvioulsy America has a huge drug problem. But I think the drugs someone uses or the fact that someone even uses drugs says a lot about their character. I really do. Maybe I'm prude or whatever. But cocaine is not pot. And even though Obama might have only used it a few times that fact that he made that conscious decision in my opinion says a lot about someone. Maybe it's no big deal. Afterall I'm not an Obama supporter. And not because of his past drug use. Mostly because of his obviously ideology. But do you feel using cocaine is a moot, nonissue? I mean is having an affair meaningless nowadays? We all know this stuff probably went on 50 years ago as well. Why do we try to teach our kids that adultery and drugs are bad yet condone it among ourselves as adults. Or make excuses for it?

drugs aren't the problem with the US.

opinionated, judgmental asshats like you are.

[zach]

I think escaping reality to avoid pain and exploring reality to understand the pain are two different things.

Just to put that out there.

[jkr]

:eek:i have never even SEEN cocaine:eek:

[amonasro]

I don't care one bit if someone uses steroids. I had to take them in Junior High for a bad poison ivy infection and got put into suspension for fighting. Then I got out-of-school suspension for fighting in in-school suspension so I try and avoid them nowadays.

I also have no problem with people who don't use drugs. Sex, mountain climbing and whitewater are fun too!

I don't think prescription steroids and anabolic steroids are in the same class. The major mass-building steroid used by bodybuilders is testosterone, which the male body already produces. Problem is, it causes negative feedback when you stop taking it causing the body to produce less testosterone than before. That causes depression, ball shrinkage, loss of muscle, acceleration of genetic hair loss and a whole host of terrible side effects. In order to use anabolics successfully you must have effective post-cycle therapy to normalize hormone levels.

Back in Arnold Schwarzenegger's heyday when bodybuilding wasn't a freak-show and when anabolic steroids were legal, they had doctors monitoring proper use. Now bodybuilders are forced to deal in the black market where hundreds of mass-building, endocrine system-altering designer drugs are available. Just another reason why outlawing them causes these powerful drugs to be used in ignorant and irresponsible ways.

To the point of the thread, I'm pretty sure Ron Paul hasn't used cocaine. He's openly admitted he's never smoked marijuana so I doubt he's experimented with harder drugs.

[FunkBuddha]

I think escaping reality to avoid pain and exploring reality to understand the pain are two different things.

Just to put that out there.

On that note.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2008/07/a-medical-use-f.html


The LSD era is long past, but the use of psychedelic drugs to boost personal enlightenment hasn't lost its appeal to some researchers. Case in point is the study published online this week in the Journal of Psychopharmacology.

Johns Hopkins researchers reported in 2006 that the hallucinogen psilocybin, otherwise known as the sacred mushroom, caused a profound mystical experience in the majority of a group of 36 volunteers who took the drug in a laboratory setting. Two years later, the researchers re-interviewed the volunteers and found that the spiritual effects of the experience appear to last for more than a year. "Most of the volunteers looked back on their experience 14 months later and rated it as the most, or one of the five most, personally meaningful and spiritually significant of their lives," says lead research Roland Griffiths.

Whoa! That's quite an endorsement for magic mushrooms. The researchers, however, say the drug could be used under careful conditions to help the outlooks of people with anxiety or depression due to serious illness. Psilocybin may also even help as a treatment for drug dependence. A new study is underway that will examine the effects of a psilocybin trip on people with cancer.

"This is a truly remarkable finding," Griffiths says. "Rarely in psychological research do we see such persistently positive reports from a single event in the laboratory."

Don't try this at home, however. The Journal of Psychopharmacology published an accompanying report on how psilocybin can be used safely and ethically in research. The drug is only given to people with no history of psychosis or serious mental disorders, and psychological support is provided during and after the experience.

And, in case you don't think this is serious stuff, the research was funded in part by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

[zach]

On that note.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2008/07/a-medical-use-f.html

Certain flora are the only things that I would recommend if one wanted to explore the basis of their thoughts and emotions and to see things in a different light. :) LSD too except it's illegal. >.<

Good article. :)

[asimplegirl]

I DON'T agree with the assumption that people use drugs to "escape", some people with good lives do it because it seems fun, or they are pressured, or sometimes just to do it.

I have never done any hard drugs, but my dad did, as has my hubby. I have taken *the* most potent pain reliever for people with morphine tolerance and been addicted, though. I now, just like my dad, don't take medication unless absolutely necessary, not wanting to test myself too much.

Dad was addicted to heroin for years until I was conceived. He has had teeth pulled with no drugs since then, scared that he would feel an "itch".

I still think that Ron is right, though, keep the government out of it, and it'll become less of a big deal. Sure, there will still be a few issues, but for the most part, we won't have the violent lifestyles that go along with it.

[LiveFree79]

I don't care one bit if someone uses steroids. I had to take them in Junior High for a bad poison ivy infection and got put into suspension for fighting. Then I got out-of-school suspension for fighting in in-school suspension so I try and avoid them nowadays.

I also have no problem with people who don't use drugs. Sex, mountain climbing and whitewater are fun too!


You were put on corticosteroids not anabolic steroids. The former are catabolic steroids aka antinflammatories. The latter are muscle building.

[JeNNiF00F00]

People do drugs because their lives suck and they want to escape reality. I don't see much of a difference between someone who drinks alcohol or smokes pot or snorts cocaine. I know one kid that has cocaine issues and he was less hypocritical about drug use than all the problem drinkers and potheads I know. I've never done any drugs or even had a sip of alcohol and I don't plan on it.

That being said, the cokehead is a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter while the problem drinker supports McCain, and the pothead supports Obama.

As far as I see it, drugs are drugs and the only differences I see between someone who caffeinated coffee and snorts cocaine is that one is more potent in less quantities.

Wow....so if drugs are drugs and someone drinks a cup of coffee in the morning, their lives suck and they're trying to escape reality?

[MRoCkEd]

I remember him saying he's never even SEEN pot. lol

[LiveFree79]

drugs aren't the problem with the US.

opinionated, judgmental asshats like you are.

Since you want to call me names you dipshit............here ya go......listen ASSHAT you nor anyone else in this thread can sit there with all your individualistic ideology and argue drugs are good for society and good for people to be involved with. I guess we should all just sit around getting high all day and doing coke which is what a majority of people, MAYBE NOT YOU, would probably do. The thing with all you free thinking so called libertarians is you think everyone else in the world is as intelligent, and displays as much insight and self restraint. If some geek wants to sit around in his house all day and "experiment" with drugs or go to a college party and get high to "loosen" up I have no problem with it. I never said drugs should be illegal. Moreover, drugs are NOT healthy for you. Cocaine is a major vasoconstrictor. People who've used coke, even casually throughout their lifetime wreak havoc on their bodies especially their cardiovascular system. That is the main reason I don't use drugs or even drink that much anymore. I'm a fitness and health nut. And smoking anything is not good for you whether it's grass or pot. I take great pride in my body and it's ability to function and provide me with good health. I'm a nurse and Ive seen plenty of people abuse their bodies and if young know it all college kids and teenagers saw what I saw they'd take a lot more interest in their health. It's safe to say that most of you in this thread that have a history of drug use probably aren't in "the best shape of your life" nor ever have been, which is my goal and will continue to be my goal and will be something I teach my kids. I will not teach my kids that drugs are "ok to experiment with. I will tell them the truth show them all sides of the issue. Judgemental I maybe. Afterall judge and be prepared to be judged.

[Mesogen]

http://xs135.xs.to/xs135/09052/3403.jpg

[gls]

I guess we should all just sit around getting high all day and doing coke which is what a majority of people, MAYBE NOT YOU, would probably do.

:rolleyes:

It's always other people that need to be protected.

[Zogby] Poll: 99 Percent Wouldn't Use Hard Drugs If They Were Legalized (http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2007/dec/05/poll_hard_drug_legalization_little_use)

[Brian4Liberty]

Drugs, like everything else, go in and out of fashion.

Barack Obama was born in 1961. He was 20 in 1981. During the 80s, coke was one of the most common recreation drugs. It was used by the upper classes. It was used on Wall St. It was not used in poor areas. It was more common than marijuana in Universities; the pot craze of the 60s and 70s was over. No one (of a pre-employed age) drank coffee. That fad hadn't started yet. Red Bull hadn't been invented. Ecstasy hadn't been invented. Crack cocaine hadn't been invented. Meth (a much more addictive drug than coke) was used by poorer people.

It makes sense that someone of Barack's age and surroundings at the time would have tried cocaine.

It was in soft drinks at one time. Sigmund Freud used it and thought it was a wonder drug until he realized there was a severe depressive rebound, and it was somewhat addictive.

All drugs should be avoided. And the war on drugs is a failed waste of money.

[JeNNiF00F00]

Since you want to call me names you dipshit............here ya go......listen ASSHAT you nor anyone else in this thread can sit there with all your individualistic ideology and argue drugs are good for society and good for people to be involved with. I guess we should all just sit around getting high all day and doing coke which is what a majority of people, MAYBE NOT YOU, would probably do. The thing with all you free thinking so called libertarians is you think everyone else in the world is as intelligent, and displays as much insight and self restraint. If some geek wants to sit around in his house all day and "experiment" with drugs or go to a college party and get high to "loosen" up I have no problem with it. I never said drugs should be illegal. Moreover, drugs are NOT healthy for you. Cocaine is a major vasoconstrictor. People who've used coke, even casually throughout their lifetime wreak havoc on their bodies especially their cardiovascular system. That is the main reason I don't use drugs or even drink that much anymore. I'm a fitness and health nut. And smoking anything is not good for you whether it's grass or pot. I take great pride in my body and it's ability to function and provide me with good health. I'm a nurse and Ive seen plenty of people abuse their bodies and if young know it all college kids and teenagers saw what I saw they'd take a lot more interest in their health. It's safe to say that most of you in this thread that have a history of drug use probably aren't in "the best shape of your life" nor ever have been, which is my goal and will continue to be my goal and will be something I teach my kids. I will not teach my kids that drugs are "ok to experiment with. I will tell them the truth show them all sides of the issue. Judgemental I maybe. Afterall judge and be prepared to be judged.

No offense but with the name "Live Free" you'd think that you'd be a lot cooler than you sound.

The thing is we hear what we should and should not do on a daily basis. If you think that people who do drugs get high all day and thats it then you are honestly mistaken.

The people doing drugs are people you know, love, respect and are people who are leaders of your community, as well as people you work with. I used to buy my weed off of an attorney I worked with. You say you are a nurse well guess what, some of the doctors you work for probably smoke out as well. Ive smoked with paralegals, legal assistants, attorneys, the UPS guy, the pizza guy, and some really really cool intelligent and interesting peeps that I would have never have met if it wasn't for the mary jane. Hell if it wasn't for weed, I would have never known about Ron Paul, and probably would have jumped on the Obama train. But here I am, crazy ideas and all trying my best to spread the word, whilst getting a toke in here and there.

Drugs don't bring down the society, its the society that brings down itself through cutting good hard working people off with crazy assumptions and propaganda of a select few.

[LiveFree79]

No offense but with the name "Live Free" you'd think that you'd be a lot cooler than you sound.

The thing is we hear what we should and should not do on a daily basis. If you think that people who do drugs get high all day and thats it then you are honestly mistaken.

The people doing drugs are people you know, love, respect and are people who are leaders of your community, as well as people you work with. I used to buy my weed off of an attorney I worked with. You say you are a nurse well guess what, some of the doctors you work for probably smoke out as well. Ive smoked with paralegals, legal assistants, attorneys, the UPS guy, the pizza guy, and some really really cool intelligent and interesting peeps that I would have never have met if it wasn't for the mary jane. Hell if it wasn't for weed, I would have never known about Ron Paul, and probably would have jumped on the Obama train. But here I am, crazy ideas and all trying my best to spread the word, whilst getting a toke in here and there.

Drugs don't bring down the society, its the society that brings down itself through cutting good hard working people off with crazy assumptions and propaganda of a select few.

I realize that. I mean did you even read my response? I have ZERO problem with people doing drugs. I mean hell I have zero problem with people being gay. I have zero problem with people looking at pornography, using a prostitute. That doesn't mean I want my kids being raised with those same morals. I drink a gallon of raw milk a day and consume upwards of half a dozen raw eggs a day. I'm not exactly mainstream dude. Most people I tell that I eat raw eggs look at me like a freak. People can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't infringe upon my well being. I.e. smoking in a public place. That doesn't mean I have to agree or even look positive upon that type of behavior. I would never force my views of health on anyone either. Eat your McDonald's and stay away from cholesterol :rolleyes: But take away my right to drink raw milk.

[FunkBuddha]

People can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't infringe upon my well being. I.e. smoking in a public place.


I would never force my views of health on anyone either.

What about forcing your views on health on a private business owner?

[Dieseler]

I bet he wishes sometimes that his name was not attached to these forums.

[Austin]

I don't know whether Ron Paul has done cocaine. I don't suspect he has.

I have never done cocaine, or any other drug for that matter. I've also never taken a drink of alcohol, nor do I smoke tobacco.

[Brian4Liberty]

I.e. smoking in a public place.

As an aside, just about everytime I read a post about smoking, I am sitting here smelling the smoke from a chain smoker downstairs... :o

[eOs]

Drugs r bad, mmmkay?

[angelatc]

As an aside, just about everytime I read a post about smoking, I am sitting here smelling the smoke from a chain smoker downstairs... :o

So move....to Belmont, where it is illegal to smoke in an apartment. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/us/27belmont.html?_r=3&ref=todayspaper

[JohnJay]

But he may well have prescribed it in the past. It used to be a common anesthetic.


Probably not, and no.
I'd also suspect he didn't prescribe it in any obstetrics procedure either.

Coccaine was common in very serious neurological surgery -
I've seen op reports that would read "patient positioned in blah, blah, blah and the nares packed with coccaine . . ."

More worry might be for the pharmaceutical giants "pushing" the synthetic statin drugs like Lipitor which more evidence
is showing causes dementia, a serious side effect as their cholesterol-lowering effects neurons.

Natural substances like coffee or cannabis have less permanent effects than those synthetics statins,
so it's hard for me to see how to justify that government can support or decide what someone wants to put into their own body in private.

[yokna7]

Im doing drugs right now as i type this thread;)

[Kotin]

I don't nor have I ever touched the silly dust.

[Dieseler]

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[gjvrieze]

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[libertarian4321]

Since you want to call me names you dipshit............here ya go......listen ASSHAT you nor anyone else in this thread can sit there with all your individualistic ideology and argue drugs are good for society and good for people to be involved with. I guess we should all just sit around getting high all day and doing coke which is what a majority of people, MAYBE NOT YOU, would probably do. The thing with all you free thinking so called libertarians is you think everyone else in the world is as intelligent, and displays as much insight and self restraint. If some geek wants to sit around in his house all day and "experiment" with drugs or go to a college party and get high to "loosen" up I have no problem with it.

I've never used any illegal drug.

However, after reading both sides, I think the guy who called you a "judgmental asshat" probably has the more persuasive argument.


The thing with all you free thinking so called libertarians is you think everyone else in the world is as intelligent, and displays as much insight and self restraint.

The problem with judgmental asshats is that they think they are more intelligent than everyone else, and therefore they should get to decide what level of "restraint" should be put on the populace.

Unfortunately, these folks usually aren't as bright as they think they are and the state control they seek to impose doesn't work.

Here's a better idea. If you don't want to smoke a joint, DON'T DO IT- sit around with your fellow uptight asshats and smugly bask in the glow of your self proclaimed superiority (or whatever you do for fun). If someone else wants to smoke a joint, leave him the Hell alone.


Afterall judge and be prepared to be judged.

Great, this "intelligent" person rants about the evils of drugs and how they harm society, yet probably buys the religious BS without ever questioning a word of it, and never even considers the damage religion has done (and continues to do) to the world- but that's another debate.

[SimpleName]

can you imagine ron paul keeled over and drooling drowsily on his dresser with white dust all over his face? eyes rolled back and a goofy smile from ecstasy, mumbling random bits and fragments of the bill of rights and all that stuff?

That is way too interesting of a visual to let slide away. *falls gently to floor, spreads limbs* "...regulated militia's trial by jury. Powers...prohibited by states...reserved. *cuddles with pocket Constitution*

[Dieseler]

I see a smile with a no thank you, while shaking his head in disagreement.

[Eric21ND]

Ron has said he's never even seen hard drugs before, not even pot.

[werdd]

I did cocaine once, but i didnt inhale ;)

[pcosmar]

Originally Posted by pcosmar
But he may well have prescribed it in the past. It used to be a common anesthetic.


Probably not, and no.
I'd also suspect he didn't prescribe it in any obstetrics procedure either.

Coccaine was common in very serious neurological surgery -
I've seen op reports that would read "patient positioned in blah, blah, blah and the nares packed with coccaine . . ."

More worry might be for the pharmaceutical giants "pushing" the synthetic statin drugs like Lipitor which more evidence
is showing causes dementia, a serious side effect as their cholesterol-lowering effects neurons.

Natural substances like coffee or cannabis have less permanent effects than those synthetics statins,
so it's hard for me to see how to justify that government can support or decide what someone wants to put into their own body in private.

Yet another thread full of Bullshit and misunderstanding.
Cocaine was commonly used in medicine until recently. It is still used in some cases. I know of several broken noses that were packed with cocaine soaked cotton, and then straightened.

But a picture ti worth a thousand words.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Cocaine_tooth_drops.png

http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/UBNRP/Dopamine/images/cocaine_ad_coke1.gif

Not to promote the substance, but in the interest of clarifying and eliminating disinformation.
BTW, I haven't used any in 30 years.

[coastie]

I did cocaine once, but i didnt inhale ;)

Jeez, where to begin...

First off, some of the opinions in here are way off base. WHat I hate is how, no matter what, people always project their opinion on this matter with the same tone as the bullshit propaganda that society has labeled drug use, and drug users. Its even more ironic how in the same response, they'll claim they have no problem if someone wants to do it, yet label the user as someone lower than them...and this is certainly not the case.

I could argue with the same assuredness that it is you, in fact, who is the "loser". Many of these substance have intersting(and fun) effects on the mind. Exploring the world with several good friends on LSD in the past has opened up philosphical experiences for me that would never have happend "sober"...Some of those experiences have, in fact, shaped me to who I am today. But, unlike you, I actually dont care if you have or not, and do not feel in any way that I am above you because I decided to see for myself what all the hype was and discovered that its just that-hype.

To answer your original question - I could'nt even begin to guess exactly how much of everything I've done-and I'm fine. Becasue of my current employment, I cant do anything, except for a drug that IMO, is more dangerous than any, and kills more people per year than other "drugs" COMBINED-and thats alcohol. I do drink, at times more than others. I havent drank in four days...maybe I'll get some beer today. Or maybe I wont. When I do get some, maybe I'll have two. The next night I may have 10-or none at all for another week...see my point? MOST people who occasionally use ANY "drug", can do this. The ones that cant-oh well, FUCK THEM. SELF CONTROL. Its not my place, and certainly not yours, to tell them how to live their lives- up the point their use damages my life, or property.

In short, if you've never been "high", then good for you...but since you dont know what you're missing, the assumption that you're somehow "better" than those that do because of that choice is contadictory to the philosophies this country was founded on...

[zach]

What about entheogens such as Salvia and Ayahuasca?

I see no problem with these as they can make you aware of unknown/repressed parts of yourself without being toxic or addictive.

[SnappleLlama]

I'm high on life...does that count?

[zach]

I'm high on life...does that count?

Yes! :D It's a great feeling.

[SnappleLlama]

Yes! :D It's a great feeling.

Just like Bunchies running free! :D

[JohnJay]

What about entheogens such as Salvia and Ayahuasca?
. . . without being toxic or addictive.

Or herbal teas, such as rosemary -
and even the amino acid protein mix at the health food store ?

Government - with enough propping up from media propaganda and advertising
to get everyone to fall into line -
would probably want to put a drug tax stamp on bottled water if it could get away with it.

[JeNNiF00F00]

Or herbal teas, such as rosemary -
and even the amino acid protein mix at the health food store ?

Government - with enough propping up from media propaganda and advertising
to get everyone to fall into line -
would probably want to put a drug tax stamp on bottled water if it could get away with it.

Well considering that they put flouride in our water, and that it technically is supposed to be delivered by a dentist.....

[orafi]

Just like Bunchies running free! :D

You and Bunchies are stuck on a small island in the middle of the Pacific in uncharted territory.


You are on your 5th day without food or fresh water.

You are hungry. Your coconuts are all finished and whatever rations you were stranded with are all gone.

Will you eat Bunchies and fashion his bones and skin into a raft to make one last attempt towards escaping to civilization or have both of you die slowly of starvation? (or maybe offer your meat to him)

[SnappleLlama]

You and Bunchies are stuck on a small island in the middle of the Pacific in uncharted territory.


You are on your 5th day without food or fresh water.

You are hungry. Your coconuts are all finished and whatever rations you were stranded with are all gone.

Will you eat Bunchies and fashion his bones and skin into a raft to make one last attempt towards escaping to civilization or have both of you die slowly of starvation? (or maybe offer your meat to him)

I'm a vegetarian! I would let Bunchies munch(ies) on me, if anything! :D

[Brian4Liberty]

What about entheogens such as Salvia and Ayahuasca?

I see no problem with these as they can make you aware of unknown/repressed parts of yourself without being toxic or addictive.

They shouldn't be criminalized. The only "crime" is when society plays down the side effects of some drugs, and overplays the dangers of others.

My understanding is that Salvia is something like a cross between mushrooms, LSD and even pot. Go ahead and try it, but be aware of the possible negative side-effects: paranoia, acute panic attack, permanent psychological damage...

(Yeah, yeah, there are people who use hallucinogens everyday and don't think there is any negative effect. Drugs affect different people different ways.)

[Kludge]

I used hydrocodone (doctor gave me an extra refill I didn't need) after having my tonsils (and everything else back there) removed. I regret using it to see if I noticed anything different in me (nope...) because a dealer I know told me he could sell them at $40/pill.

Outside of that, I've tried marijuana and alcohol. Didn't like either. Marijuana smelled terrible, and the alcohol just made me sleepy.

Decriminalize everything, but don't expect me to care if you f' yourself up.

[Mesogen]

http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/UBNRP/Dopamine/images/cocaine_ad_coke1.gif


Actually, I believe that Coca Cola originally contained coca extract that wasn't cocaine. Refined cocaine is very bitter and any significant cocaine content would have made the beverage bitter too.

Btw, Red Bull cola has coca leaf extract in it.

Someone came up with a recipe for original coca cola syrup.

Kola nut extract
Coca leaf extract
Sugar
Lime juice
Molasses

[Ninja Homer]

"It'd be a lot cooler if you did!"
http://msp223.photobucket.com/albums/dd219/carlsoncave/wooderson.jpg

(joking... please understand context before flaming :D)

[asimplegirl]

Actually, I believe that Coca Cola originally contained coca extract that wasn't cocaine. Refined cocaine is very bitter and any significant cocaine content would have made the beverage bitter too.

Btw, Red Bull cola has coca leaf extract in it.

Someone came up with a recipe for original coca cola syrup.

Kola nut extract
Coca leaf extract
Sugar
Lime juice
Molasses

On the history channel, they had a documentary about drugs, and about how it was COMMON to use them to relieve symptoms. Cola was a medicinal drink at first, and DID contain cocaine.

[asimplegirl]

"It'd be a lot cooler if you did!"
http://msp223.photobucket.com/albums/dd219/carlsoncave/wooderson.jpg

(joking... please understand context before flaming :D)

I LOVE that movie. Matthew was just creepy, though. LOL.

[Arklatex]

I wish more people used marijuana.

That's my opinion. I think it'd help a lot of people. I've never used Cocaine or any other hard drugs. Cocaine comes from a plant, if you want to use it's your choice. In Bolivia or Columbia, you walk into a nice business or a hotel and they'll have cocaine leaves sitting out for you to chew one, just like we have coffee set out in this country.

I think you shouldn't judge someone by the color of their skin or their culture but by their character.

[Bruno]

In my experimental days, I tried cocaine, LSD, mushrooms, crack, meth, and marijuana. I don't regret any of it, but wouldn't recommend trying anything except mushrooms or marijuana.

[FunkBuddha]

"It'd be a lot cooler if you did!"
http://msp223.photobucket.com/albums/dd219/carlsoncave/wooderson.jpg

(joking... please understand context before flaming :D)

"That's what I like about them high school girls... I get older, they stay the saaame edge."

"Party at the moon tower, everybody's gonna be there. You oughta ditch the two geeks and get in the car with us but that's alright, we'll worry bout that later."

I haven't seen that movie in years but it used to be one of my favorites.

[LiveFree79]

I've never used any illegal drug.

However, after reading both sides, I think the guy who called you a "judgmental asshat" probably has the more persuasive argument.



The problem with judgmental asshats is that they think they are more intelligent than everyone else, and therefore they should get to decide what level of "restraint" should be put on the populace.

Unfortunately, these folks usually aren't as bright as they think they are and the state control they seek to impose doesn't work.

Here's a better idea. If you don't want to smoke a joint, DON'T DO IT- sit around with your fellow uptight asshats and smugly bask in the glow of your self proclaimed superiority (or whatever you do for fun). If someone else wants to smoke a joint, leave him the Hell alone.



Great, this "intelligent" person rants about the evils of drugs and how they harm society, yet probably buys the religious BS without ever questioning a word of it, and never even considers the damage religion has done (and continues to do) to the world- but that's another debate.

Try taking a class in basic reading comprehension genius. I NEVER SAID DRUGS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WHO DO DRUGS. That DOES NOT mean I have to approve of it nor raise my kids in an environment that says drugs are ok. I have no problem with people that stuff their fat asses with McDonalds. That doesn't mean I want go to lunch with my fat coworkers everyday to eat fast food. Oh and I'm FAR from a religious person. If I had to I'd label myself an agnostic.

[FunkBuddha]

Well, from your post it seems like you are saying that you indeed do have a problem with fat people and drug users. Maybe it's the way you're wording things that is the problem.

When you say


I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WHO DO DRUGS.


I have no problem with people that stuff their fat asses with McDonalds.


That DOES NOT mean I have to approve of it nor raise my kids in an environment that says drugs are ok.

I can't help but think that you actually do have a problem with fat people and drugs users and I'm cool with that.

I think what you mean to say is that you disapprove of people that use drugs but respect their decision to do so. The same with fat people, you disapprove of them eating the things they do but you respect that it is their decision to make and not yours.

I could just as easily say that I disapprove of your lack of desire to experiment with drugs and eat cheeseburgers and be an all around health-fascist but I respect your decision to be so.

[orafi]

I'm a vegetarian! I would let Bunchies munch(ies) on me, if anything! :D

then, if anyone deserves to become the true caregiver of bunchies and receiver of his gifts, it's you! :)

[sajorojas]

I wish more people used marijuana.

That's my opinion. I think it'd help a lot of people. I've never used Cocaine or any other hard drugs. Cocaine comes from a plant, if you want to use it's your choice. In Bolivia or Columbia, you walk into a nice business or a hotel and they'll have cocaine leaves sitting out for you to chew one, just like we have coffee set out in this country.

I think you shouldn't judge someone by the color of their skin or their culture but by their character.

1. It's spelled Colombia. I've made it my life's mission to correct everyone I meet who spells it wrong. It's one of the only times I don't hesitate to correct someone. :cool:
2. I doubt many fancy hotels or businesses leave coca leaves lying around like that. You can be fined for public chewing of leaves over there. What makes me a Mr. Smartypants about it? I've been to Colombia.
3. What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, eating bunchies.

haha, i killed the thread