American middle-class is being squeezed to death by a vise.

[InterestedParticipant]

The World Game people run exercises on global control. If you plan on running the
world, you cannot go about it haphazardly. That is why the Insiders of the Ford,
Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations are making these plans. The real name of the
game is 1984. We will have systematic population reduction, forced sterilization or
anything else which the planners deem necessary to establish absolute control in their
humanitarian Utopia. But to enforce these plans, you must have an all-powerful world
government. You can't do this if individual nations have sovereignty. And before you
can facilitate the Great Merger, you must first centralize control within each nation,
destroy the local police {Alex Jones really helps with this one} and remove the guns from
the hands of the citizenry. You
must replace our once free Constitutional Republic with an all-powerful central
government. And that is exactly what is happening today with the Nixon
Administration. Every action of any consequence, despite the smokescreen, has
centralized more power in what is rapidly becoming an all-powerful central
government.

What we are witnessing is the Communist tactic of pressure from above and pressure
from below, described by Communist historian Jan Kozak as the device used by the
Reds to capture control of Czecho-Slovakia. The pressure from above comes from
secret, ostensibly respectable Comrades in the government and Establishment, forming,
with the radicalized mobs in the streets below, a giant pincer around middleclass
society. The street rioters are pawns, shills, puppets, and dupes for an oligarchy
of elitist conspirators working above to turn America's limited government into an
unlimited government with total control over our lives and property.

The American middle-class is being squeezed to death by a vise. (See Chart 9) In the
streets we have avowed revolutionary groups such as the Students for a Democratic
Society (which was started by the League for Industrial Democracy, a group with
strong C.F.R. ties), the Black Panthers, the Yippies, the Young Socialist Alliance.
These groups chant that if we don't "change" America, we will lose it. "Change" is a
word we hear over and over. By "change" these groups mean Socialism. Virtually all
members of these groups sincerely believe that they are fighting the Establishment. In
reality they are an indispensible ally of the Establishment in fastening Socialism on all
of us. The naive radicals think that under Socialism the "people" will run everything.
Actually, it will be a clique of Insiders in total control, consolidating and controlling
all wealth. That is why these schoolboy Lenins and teenage Trotskys are allowed to
roam free and are practically never arrested or prosecuted. They are protected. If the
Establishment wanted the revolutionaries stopped, how long do you think they would
be tolerated?

Chart 9

http://www.makeknowntheunknown.com/images/nonedare-m7f151d4b_1_.gif


Instead, we find that most of these radicals are the recipients of largesse from major
foundations or are receiving money from the government through the War on Poverty.
The Rothschild-Rockefeller-C.F.R. Insiders at the top "surrender to the demands" for
Socialism from the mobs below. The radicals are doing the work of those whom they
hate the most.
.
.
.
THAT IS THE STRATEGY. THE LANDSCAPE PAINTERS FOCUS YOUR
ATTENTION ON THE KIDS IN THE STREET WHILE THE REAL DANGER IS
FROM ABOVE.

As Frank Capell recently observed in The Review Of The News:
"Of course, we know that these radical students are not going to take over the
government. What they are going to do is provide the excuse for the government to
take over the people, by passing more and more repressive laws to 'keep things under
control.'"

The radicals make a commotion in the streets while the Limousine Liberals at the top
in New York and Washington are Socializing us. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A
DICTATORSHIP OF THE ELITE DISGUISED AS A DICTATORSHIP OF THE
PROLETARIAT.

Now the Insiders of the Establishment are moving into a more sophisticated method
of applying pressure from below. John Gardner, a "Republican" and member of the
C.F.R., has established a grass roots proletarian organization called Common Cause.
This may become the biggest and most important organization in American history.
Common Cause's goal is to organize welfare recipients, those who have not voted
before, and Liberals to lobby for Socialism. That lobbying will not only be expressed
in pressuring Congress to pass Socialist legislation but will also be expressed as ballot
power in elections. Common Cause is supposedly the epitome of anti-
Establishmentarianism, but who is paying the bills? The elite Insider radicals from
above. The number one bankroller of this group to overthrow the super-rich and redistribute
their wealth among the poor is John D. Rockefeller III. Other key financiers
are Andrew Heiskell (CFR), chairman of the board of Time, Inc., Thomas Watson
(CFR), chairman of the board of IBM, John Whitney (CFR) of the Standard Oil
fortune, Sol Linowitz (CFR), chairman of the board of Xerox, and Gardner Cowles
(CFR) of Cowles publications. In any organization, the man who pays the bills is the
boss. The others are his employees.

What better proof could we have that Socialism is not a movement of downtrodden
masses but of power hungry elitists? The poor are merely pawns in the game.
Needless to say, the landscape painters hide Common Cause's financial angels so that
only those who understand that the Establishment's game plan is SOCIALISM
understand what is going on before their very eyes.


Excerpt from:
None Dare Call it Conspiracy (http://www.amazon.com/None-Dare-Call-It-Conspiracy/dp/B000BNPWFY)
by Gary Allen , Larry Abraham

PDF's available online at:
http://www.captaincanadacrusades.ca/articles/none-dare-call-it-conspiracy%5B1%5D.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2297676/conspiracy-Gary-Allen-None-Dare-Call-it-Conspiracy-english-rarereactor

[sevin]

That book scared the hell outta me. I highly recommend it. :)

[diggronpaul]

Now the Insiders of the Establishment are moving into a more sophisticated method
of applying pressure from below. John Gardner, a "Republican" and member of the
C.F.R., has established a grass roots proletarian organization called Common Cause.
This may become the biggest and most important organization in American history.
Common Cause's goal is to organize welfare recipients, those who have not voted
before, and Liberals to lobby for Socialism. That lobbying will not only be expressed
in pressuring Congress to pass Socialist legislation but will also be expressed as ballot
power in elections. Common Cause is supposedly the epitome of anti-
Establishmentarianism, but who is paying the bills? The elite Insider radicals from
above. The number one bankroller of this group to overthrow the super-rich and redistribute
their wealth among the poor is John D. Rockefeller III. Other key financiers
are Andrew Heiskell (CFR), chairman of the board of Time, Inc., Thomas Watson
(CFR), chairman of the board of IBM, John Whitney (CFR) of the Standard Oil
fortune, Sol Linowitz (CFR), chairman of the board of Xerox, and Gardner Cowles
(CFR) of Cowles publications. In any organization, the man who pays the bills is the
boss. The others are his employees.

Damn, I always thought Common Cause was one of the good guys.

[Conza88]

"destroy the local police {Alex Jones really helps with this one}"

Bullllllllllllllllllshit. Opinion with nothing of an argument to back it up what, so, ever.

Care to present a coherent, logical defence of your assertions? :rolleyes:

[heavenlyboy34]

OP-the police won't help you when TSHTF, I betcha. ;)

[InterestedParticipant]

"destroy the local police {Alex Jones really helps with this one}"

Bullllllllllllllllllshit. Opinion with nothing of an argument to back it up what, so, ever.

Care to present a coherent, logical defence of your assertions? :rolleyes:
There's a huge thread on AJ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175056) in hot topics, so can we please keep this thread focused on the primary topic, which is how the middle-class are being squeezed from both the top and the bottom (i.e. organizations that we thought were helping us). If you wanna talk about AJ, then post it at the relevant thread and I will respond there. Thanks.

[Conza88]

There's a huge thread on AJ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=175056) in hot topics, so can we please keep this thread focused on the primary topic, which is how the middle-class are being squeezed from both the top and the bottom (i.e. organizations that we thought were helping us). If you wanna talk about AJ, then post it at the relevant thread and I will respond there. Thanks.

You posted bs here in this thread. So we discuss bs here, in this thread.

The balls in your court. Or did I just hit some kind of ace? :rolleyes:

Sorry, for the pun - I've been watching the Australian open.

[Bman]

You posted bs here in this thread. So we discuss bs here, in this thread.

The balls in your court. Or did I just hit some kind of ace? :rolleyes:

Sorry, for the pun - I've been watching the Australian open.

Yeah. I mean heck if it was about socialism Conza would know. Now there's someone who is all about spreading the wealth.

[Conza88]

Yeah. I mean heck if it was about socialism Conza would know. Now there's someone who is all about spreading the wealth.

:confused: What are you doing reading the forums? You have basic books to read on Intellectual Monopoly.

Hmm.. bad bman, baaaaad bman. Oh well, here's another one - just hot off the presses.

Does Innovation Require Property in Ideas? by Jeffrey A. Tucker (http://www.lewrockwell.com/tucker/tucker125.html)


"The lesson, however, applies far more broadly. Wealth in the Western world has been rising for a thousand years, and innovation along with it, and patents have played virtually no role whatsoever. The authors, in chapter 3, go more fully into the history of the patent to show that they originated out of kingly privilege associated with mercantilism and that the legislation of the 17th and 18th centuries were forms of liberalization, despite first appearances. It wasn't until the 19th century that the laws tightened again."

"Why did patents enter the picture? The rise of modern IP is due to the lobbying of incumbent firms threatened with competition. It is a complete myth that patents give rise to innovation; the reverse has been true: innovation gives rise to patents. The authors offer this incredible challenge: "Can anyone mention even one single case of a new industry emerging as a result of the protection of existing patent laws? We cannot... Strange coincidence, is it not?""

LMFAO. Sorry, continue - did I interrupt you trying to defend intellectual property? :confused: My bad, carry on. :rolleyes:

[Bman]

LMFAO. Sorry, continue - did I interrupt you trying to defend intellectual property? :confused: My bad, carry on. :rolleyes:

Aww come on. Have a heart.

I'm just trying to protect the free market by giving the individual the choice between to IP or not to IP, rather than have it completely dictated by regulation.

You really can't be that upset that you are a bad song writer? Just get garage band or such. If you're a PC user get Sequel or something luike that. I'll help you learn how to use the programs so you don't have to worry about IP's when making videos that you want music behind.

[Conza88]

Aww come on. Have a heart.

I'm just trying to protect the free market by giving the individual the choice between to IP or not to IP, rather than have it completely dictated by regulation.

You really can't be that upset that you are a bad song writer? Just get garage band or such. If you're a PC user get Sequel or something luike that. I'll help you learn how to use the programs so you don't have to worry about IP's when making videos that you want music behind.

General socialist dictum: "Aww come on. Have a heart."

You ignorance is in the believe you are "protecting" :confused: the free market.

Hahah, it needs protection? Since when? :rolleyes: I'm not advocating regulation. And to contend so is insanity.

You don't realise, if the choice to IP is given - and the producer does not take it up, then a thing called IP TROLLING HAPPENS. People seek products, goods, services etc. not patented - they GET the patent, and then force the company to stop what its doing.

YAY YOU HELPED THE FREE MARKET?!!? :rolleyes:

Mate, I started editting videos from scratch, taught myself - when I wanted to make a video for Ron Paul. My first ever has 164k views. :rolleyes: I ain't copyrighting squat. A few of the accounts that copy videos and put them on their own acct, lifted it - I asked them to remove it, so I could get the hits (it was still being featured) one said yes, and the other few said no.

I said them were "ghey", lol and left it at that. I didn't go reporting to youtube or anything. In the IP WORLD, they could copyrighted it, and then come get ME to STOP playing it.

What part of that don't you understand? :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Conza88

Btw, just about to release a new video... about Obama. Go subscribe. :rolleyes:

[Bman]

General socialist dictum: "Aww come on. Have a heart."

You ignorance is in the believe you are "protecting" :confused: the free market.

Hahah, it needs protection? Since when? :rolleyes: I'm not advocating regulation. And to contend so is insanity.

You don't realise, if the choice to IP is given - and the producer does not take it up, then a thing called IP TROLLING HAPPENS. People seek products, goods, services etc. not patented - they GET the patent, and then force the company to stop what its doing.

YAY YOU HELPED THE FREE MARKET?!!? :rolleyes:

Mate, I started editting videos from scratch, taught myself - when I wanted to make a video for Ron Paul. My first ever has 164k views. :rolleyes: I ain't copyrighting squat. A few of the accounts that copy videos and put them on their own acct, lifted it - I asked them to remove it, so I could get the hits (it was still being featured) one said yes, and the other few said no.

I said them were "ghey", lol and left it at that. I didn't go reporting to youtube or anything. In the IP WORLD, they could copyrighted it, and then come get ME to STOP playing it.

What part of that don't you understand? :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Conza88

Btw, just about to release a new video... about Obama. Go subscribe. :rolleyes:

WOW!

Commonsense has flown straight over your head. Obviously you would register a creation and dictate from that point how it could be used. Or such. Your whole idea of ridding the world of IP's is a whloe bunch of spread the wealth type of talk.

Can I ask you were people commonly adhere to such a philosophy?

Either you are a socialist or your brain has been infiltraited by them. What you call for is still regulation over an individual. How can you impose your will over someone else?

I think you need to review the philosophy of liberty or say hello to your comrades in the Democratic party.

Ibm gave anyone the ability to use there technology years ago. Such is what a call for. The choice of the individual.

If you don't like it you can always use the best tool in the free market. A boycott. Rather than trying to impose your regulations and tell me your not being socialistic with your spread the wealth idealism.

[Conza88]

WOW!

Commonsense has flown straight over your head. Obviously you would register a creation and dictate from that point how it could be used. Or such. Your whole idea of ridding the world of IP's is a whloe bunch of spread the wealth type of talk.

Did you just think I started with this opinion? What... an ass clown that would make you if you did.

A year ago I was an independent socialist, Chomsky style, not by choice - but because it was all I knew. I then heard Ron Paul. A year later, I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

Sorry chump, but "spreading the wealth" aka redistribution isn't what I'm about.


Can I ask you were people commonly adhere to such a philosophy

Mises.org, LewRockwell.com


Either you are a socialist or your brain has been infiltraited by them. What you call for is still regulation over an individual. How can you impose your will over someone else?

I think you need to review the philosophy of liberty or say hello to your comrades in the Democratic party.

Ibm gave anyone the ability to use there technology years ago. Such is what a call for. The choice of the individual.

You're either a troll, or completely retarded and unwilling to even comprehend, nor read a single article offering a differing view point on your flawed conception of what IP is all about.

Lmfao, choice of the individual. You're delusional. When you support IP, you don't support the individual. What you do, is subjugate the individual.


If you don't like it you can always use the best tool in the free market. A boycott. Rather than trying to impose your regulations and tell me your not being socialistic with your spread the wealth idealism.

Stop strawmaning me. If anyone is a STATIST. It is YOU. You're the one who wants to enforce, COERCIVELY, Intellectual "Property" rights... not me. You do.

Calling an anarcho-capitalist a socialist is pretty amazingly idiotic.

Why are you SO in love, engrossed with intellectual "property" rights? What is it you do for a living? Right retarded music or something? Make your living off patents? What is it?

Mate, I didn't START with the opinion intellectual "property" rights are BS. My father is one of the best IP lawyers in the country. I was of your same opinion, until I actually READ SOMETHING THAT ARGUED OTHERWISE.

Seriously, you've got about as much credibility as a fox in a hen house. :eek:

[Bman]

Did you just think I started with this opinion? What... an ass clown that would make you if you did.

A year ago I was an independent socialist, Chomsky style, not by choice - but because it was all I knew. I then heard Ron Paul. A year later, I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

Sorry chump, but "spreading the wealth" aka redistribution isn't what I'm about.



Mises.org, LewRockwell.com



You're either a troll, or completely retarded and unwilling to even comprehend, nor read a single article offering a differing view point on your flawed conception of what IP is all about.

Lmfao, choice of the individual. You're delusional. When you support IP, you don't support the individual. What you do, is subjugate the individual.



Stop strawmaning me. If anyone is a STATIST. It is YOU. You're the one who wants to enforce, COERCIVELY, Intellectual "Property" rights... not me. You do.

Calling an anarcho-capitalist a socialist is pretty amazingly idiotic.

Why are you SO in love, engrossed with intellectual "property" rights? What is it you do for a living? Right retarded music or something? Make your living off patents? What is it?

Mate, I didn't START with the opinion intellectual "property" rights are BS. My father is one of the best IP lawyers in the country. I was of your same opinion, until I actually READ SOMETHING THAT ARGUED OTHERWISE.

Seriously, you've got about as much credibility as a fox in a hen house. :eek:

Fine. I'll read your whole list in it's entirity rather than skimming through it as I have before I make another comment. But trust me. You may hate me even more after that. I'm a devils advocate on such things. And After I read if you still refuse to give hard evidence you will have lost any credibility because you will be out off sources to cite.

[libertarian4321]

I sometimes think some of you see a conspiracy around every corner and behind every door.

If you got a bad cup of coffee, you'd probably think it was a conspiracy (probably the Rothschilds, socialists, CFR, Obama, and black helicopter types conspiring to infect coffee beans with "chem trail" like agents).

The "wacky" level seems to be rising on the RPF...

[Conza88]

Fine. I'll read your whole list in it's entirity rather than skimming through it as I have before I make another comment. But trust me. You may hate me even more after that. I'm a devils advocate on such things. And After I read if you still refuse to give hard evidence you will have lost any credibility because you will be out off sources to cite.

Basically, one of two books, or both.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/004055.html

^ Is the list.

And these two are probably the best, most worthy apparently.

Against Intellectual Property, Spring 2001, Vol. 15, no. 2 Journal of Libertarian Studies, Stephan Kinsella (http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/15_2/15_2_1.pdf)

And:
Against Intellectual Monopoly by Michele Boldrin and David K. Levine (http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm)


Chapter 1: Introduction
An overview of the central theme: intellectual property is in fact intellectual monopoly and hinders rather than helps innovation and creation.
Chapter 2: Creation Under Competition
Would the world be devoid of great or lesser works of art without copyright?
Chapter 3: Innovation Under Competition
What would happen to innovation without patents?
Chapter 4: The Evil of Intellectual Monopoly
Why are patents so bad anyway?
Chapter 5: The Devil in Disney
What is the big deal with copyright?
Chapter 6: How Competition Works
How would artists and innovators get paid without copyrights and patents?
Chapter 7: Defenses of Intellectual Monopoly
What is the conventional wisdom and why it is wrong.
Chapter 8: Does Intellectual Monopoly Increase Innovation?
This is the heart of the matter: there is no evidence that intellectual monopoly serves the purpose that both the U.S. Constitution and economic logic dictates. There is no evidence it "works" to increase creation and innovation.
Chapter 9: The Pharmaceutical Industry
But what about life-saving drugs?
Chapter 10: The Bad, the Good, and the Ugly
A look at various policy options.

Thanks. Hopefully you read it with an open mind, and not just try to pick it apart - for the sake of it, simply because I was being an ass. :)

[diggronpaul]

This is precisely how it is, isn't it?

"The street rioters are pawns, shills, puppets, and dupes for an oligarchy
of elitist conspirators"

Except in today's world, they are not just on the street, but on the Net, disrupting people's lives and infiltrating web sites, chat rooms and forums.

None Dare Call it Conspiracy (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2297676/conspiracy-Gary-Allen-None-Dare-Call-it-Conspiracy-english-rarereactor) is a very perceptive book, written well before its time.





What we are witnessing is the Communist tactic of pressure from above and pressure

from below, described by Communist historian Jan Kozak as the device used by the

Reds to capture control of Czecho-Slovakia. The pressure from above comes from

secret, ostensibly respectable Comrades in the government and Establishment, forming,

with the radicalized mobs in the streets below, a giant pincer around middleclass

society. The street rioters are pawns, shills, puppets, and dupes for an oligarchy

of elitist conspirators working above to turn America's limited government into an

unlimited government with total control over our lives and property.

[itsthepathocrats]

Fascinating post!




The World Game people run exercises on global control.

If you plan on running the world, you cannot go about it haphazardly. That is
why the Insiders of the Ford, Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations are making
these plans.

The real name of the game is 1984. We will have:


systematic population reduction;
forced sterilization;
or anything else the planners deem necessary to establish absolute control in their humanitarian Utopia.


But to enforce these plans, you must have:



an all-powerful world government
(you can't do this if individual nations have sovereignty)


And before you can facilitate the Great Merger, you must first:


centralize control within each nation,
destroy the local police
and remove the guns from the hands of the citizenry
replace our once free Constitutional Republic with an all-powerful central government.



The naive radicals think that under Socialism the "people" will run everything.
Actually, it will be a clique of Insiders in total control, consolidating and controlling
all wealth. That is why these schoolboy Lenins and teenage Trotskys are allowed to
roam free and are practically never arrested or prosecuted. They are protected. If the
Establishment wanted the revolutionaries stopped, how long do you think they would
be tolerated?



As Frank Capell recently observed in The Review Of The News:

"Of course, we know that these radical students are not going to take over the
government. What they are going to do is provide the excuse for the government to
take over the people, by passing more and more repressive laws to 'keep things under
control.'"

The book is only ~92 pages.

[sevin]

None Dare Call it Conspiracy (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2297676/conspiracy-Gary-Allen-None-Dare-Call-it-Conspiracy-english-rarereactor) is a very perceptive book, written well before its time.

Can't recommend this book enough, especially when it is free to read. The details of the push for world government have changed since the book was published, but the central plans are the same as ever.

[ourlongroad]

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[diggronpaul]

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[InterestedParticipant]

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[Rael]

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[FreeMama]

I agree with Bman ;)

[Conza88]

I agree with Bman ;)

Your loss. And failure.

[FreeMama]

Eh. . . according to you it would be YOUR loss and failure actually :D

[Carole]

Well, I managed to figure this out forty years ago all by myself. :eek:

Nice to see someone else has. :D

[Conza88]

Eh. . . according to you it would be YOUR loss and failure actually :D

It doesn't affect me directly, so no. You're the one who is tainted with fallacies and a position that has been proven wrong. ;)