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BeFranklin
01-25-2009, 10:03 PM
Amish man has 30 days to fix sewer system
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/515405.html?nav=742


EBENSBURG - A Barr Township Amish man has been held in contempt of court for failing to get his schoolhouse sewer system into compliance.

Now, a Cambria County judge has given Andy Swartzentruber 30 days to do it or face jail and watch a padlock go on the sect's schoolhouse door.

''I really thought we could work this out, but the law is the law,'' Judge Norman Krumenacker III said at a hearing Thursday. He added that while he respects the group's religious beliefs, all people must follow the law.

The judge issued the order after sewage enforcement officials testified that Swartzentruber failed to return an application for a sewage permit after another was sent to him.

Since the judge's deadline a month ago to correct sewage treatment issues, nothing has been done to improve the system, Cambria Sewage Enforcement Officer Deb Settlemyer said.

The schoolhouse and neighboring makeshift outhouse sit on a 75-acre property belonging to Swartzentruber, a member of an old order and very conservative Amish sect.

The Amish maintain their strict beliefs prohibit them from making improvements sewage officials have demanded. Through meetings with Krumenacker and attorneys, the system upgrade would have called for a primitive system treating the waste with lime and gravity, which are acceptable measures.

In letters to the court, Amish members said government interference was the problem.

''They pay taxes, provide their own schools and attempt to live simple lives,'' their attorney, Jim Stratton, said, adding that they simply want to be left alone.
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Ode to the Little Brown Shack Out Back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cSfwq5kjEE

UtahApocalypse
01-25-2009, 10:17 PM
someone explain to me how were free again?

Bruno
01-25-2009, 10:19 PM
If it weren't for the whole religion aspect, I'd consider becoming Amish.

Bman
01-25-2009, 10:23 PM
If it weren't for the whole religion aspect, I'd consider becoming Amish.

LOL. You know they confess their sins in front of their entire congregation. And it is not unheard of confessions about fornicating with the live stock.

Bryan
01-25-2009, 10:47 PM
LOL. You know they confess their sins in front of their entire congregation. And it is not unheard of confessions about fornicating with the live stock.
This is an ad hominem and basically implying a non-sequitur. We do better here when we avoid logical fallacies.

Thanks.

heavenlyboy34
01-25-2009, 10:51 PM
This is an ad hominem and basically implying a non-sequitur. We do better here when we avoid logical fallacies.

Thanks.

We create whole threads full of logical fallacies sometimes. :eek::(

Bryan
01-25-2009, 10:55 PM
We create whole threads full of logical fallacies sometimes. :eek::(

Yes, and the results are reflective of that. :) Not that using logical fallacies are against the forum guidelines or anything... :p:)

Bman
01-25-2009, 11:03 PM
This is an ad hominem and basically implying a non-sequitur. We do better here when we avoid logical fallacies.

Thanks.

Ummm. No it's not. Some of us grew up woth Amish people as our neighbors. Some of us have worked along side Amish people. Some of us have been told stories by Amish people. Now maybe my leg was being pulled. Which then would make your comment correct. However, if I was to address how well I knew someone and understood when they were saying something as a joke or whatever I would know as I do that you are incorrect in your assessment.

Bryan
01-25-2009, 11:20 PM
Ummm. No it's not. Some of us grew up woth Amish people as our neighbors. Some of us have worked along side Amish people. Some of us have been told stories by Amish people. Now maybe my leg was being pulled. Which then would make your comment correct. However, if I was to address how well I knew someone and understood when they were saying something as a joke or whatever I would know as I do that you are incorrect in your assessment.

I'm not saying that some percentage of Amish are as you say, but the means in which you took Bruno's comment out into left field to imply that Bruno wants to be associated with fornicating with live stock is a logical fallacy.

Actually your comment was also a straw man since Bruno explicitly qualified to having a problem with the religious aspect of the Amish yet that was exactly what your comment revolved around (ie: the public confession of sins).

Bruno comment was most clearly made to his view of simple, non-dependent living- IMO, reasonable comments should be based on this.

Bman
01-25-2009, 11:26 PM
I'm not saying that some percentage of Amish are as you say, but the means in which you took Bruno's comment out into left field to imply that Bruno wants to be associated with fornicating with live stock is a logical fallacy.

Actually your comment was also a straw man since Bruno explicitly qualified to having a problem with the religious aspect of the Amish yet that was exactly what your comment revolved around (ie: the public confession of sins).

Bruno comment was most clearly made to his view of simple, non-dependent living- IMO, reasonable comments should be based on this.

OK, ok. I've talked with Bruno in the past and was really just joking around. I would never try to convey that Bruno wanted to have sex with livestock. If that's how it came accross I apologize to everyone, especially Bruno.

M House
01-25-2009, 11:44 PM
WTF, how did this thread turn into fornicating with livestock? Anyway, um that's not unheard of in alot of circles. I can only imagine what things where like when people lived with their live stock day in and day out. The Puritans had problems like this and it's really nasty to read about. I hate early american literature.

Bryan
01-25-2009, 11:48 PM
OK, ok. I've talked with Bruno in the past and was really just joking around. I would never try to convey that Bruno wanted to have sex with livestock. If that's how it came accross I apologize to everyone, especially Bruno.
Fair enough. So simple, non-dependent living doesn't lead one to looking at their livestock funny... Good. :)



WTF, how did this thread turn into fornicating with livestock? Anyway, um that's not unheard of in alot of circles. I can only imagine what things where like when people lived with their live stock day in and day out. The Puritans had problems like this and it's really nasty to read about. I hate early american literature.
That's what I was calling Bman out on. All seems resolved now. :)

Mitt Romneys sideburns
01-25-2009, 11:51 PM
Now I remember why I keep trying to put Bryan on my ignore list. . .

Bryan
01-25-2009, 11:59 PM
Now I remember why I keep trying to put Bryan on my ignore list. . .

I'm interested to hear the issue here as well as past examples... Thanks. (Different thread or PM however)

M House
01-26-2009, 12:09 AM
Well if you're gonna love an animal, why not have alittle passion in your relationship? I'm surprised we don't have a "libertarian" discussion on that. I mean is it really a sin? Does it violate the animal's rights? Can there be laws against it?

nate895
01-26-2009, 01:12 AM
Washington State is, I believe, the only state where bestiality is legal.

M House
01-26-2009, 01:14 AM
Wow, um only state? What's up with that?

nate895
01-26-2009, 01:25 AM
Wow, um only state? What's up with that?

I don't know, I remember watching O'Reilly a few years back and they mentioned it because of some animal sex scene in some obscure movie with a not so obscure actor. I personally don't look into bestiality laws when I move from one state to the next since I don't plan on sleeping with donkeys at any point.

eOs
01-26-2009, 02:10 AM
Man, this thread is a hoot!

M House
01-26-2009, 02:15 AM
Yeah it is kinda funny. Somebody needs to put some of the content discussed here in a sig.

IPSecure
01-26-2009, 02:45 AM
Why do not they give the government 30 days...

tremendoustie
01-26-2009, 03:17 AM
Why do not they give the government 30 days...

Fixed:

Washington, DC: The federal government has been held in contempt of court for failing to bring itself into compliance.

Now, Justice Roberts has given the government 30 days to do it or face jail and watch a padlock go on all the government's beauracracies.

"I really thought we could work this out, but the law is the law," Judge Roberts said at a hearing Thursday. He added that while he respects the group's socialist beliefs, all people must follow the law.

The judge issued the order after the government failed to demonstrate constitutional authority for the programs, after repeated requests.

Since the judge's deadline a month ago to correct constitutional issues, nothing has been done to improve the system, government auditor Deb Settlemyer said.

The government and neighboring facilities sit on a large parcel of land in Washington, currently occupied by socialists, members of a relatively new tyrannical sect.

The socialists maintain their strict beliefs prohibit them from making improvements government auditors have demanded. Through meetings with the auditors and attorneys, the system upgrade would have called for a simple system treating the beaurocrats with pink slips and real jobs, which are acceptable measures.

In letters to the court, auditors said beaurocrat interference was the problem.

"They take taxes, provide low quality services and ponderous regulation, and attempt to live off the public dole", their attorney, Jim Stratton, said, adding that they simply don't want to leave anyone alone.

The government, Stratton said, credited the Supreme Court for trying to work with them, and said they understood there may be consequences.

The auditors said noncompliance could mean up to six months in jail for the socialists, plus fines, although the fines could be worked off through community service, if they are willing.

They have 30 days by law to correct the actions, but Justice Roberts said he wasn't optimistic the improvements would be made.

Roberts said the socialists seemed willing to serve the jail time rather than adapt to the court demands.

Roberts said he felt comfortable with the possibility the beauracracies could be padlocked.

"They didn't really say anything," he said. "Sometimes it's hard to tell what they are thinking. Or if they think at all."