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Matt Collins
01-23-2009, 08:54 PM
"President Obama has publicly sided with the Bush administration (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/01/obama-sides-wit.html) on the question of whether the President should be allowed to establish warrantless wiretapping programs designed to monitor US citizens. The President has asked a federal judge to stay a ruling that would allow key evidence into the domestic spying case against the government. 'Thursday's filing by the Obama administration marked the first time it officially lodged a court document in the lawsuit asking the courts to rule on the constitutionality of the Bush administration's warrantless-eavesdropping program.'" jamie points out that Obama's views and opinions were made clear through his Senate vote and numerous public statements, but many others see this as a disappointing start to an administration promising transparency and openness.

SOURCE:
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/23/1744250

Reason
01-23-2009, 10:26 PM
Obama Sides With Bush in Spy Case
By David Kravets EmailJanuary 22, 2009 | 4:32:47 PMCategories: Surveillance

Spy The Obama administration fell in line with the Bush administration Thursday when it urged a federal judge to set aside a ruling in a closely watched spy case weighing whether a U.S. president may bypass Congress and establish a program of eavesdropping on Americans without warrants.

In a filing in San Francisco federal court, President Barack Obama adopted the same position as his predecessor. With just hours left in office, President George W. Bush late Monday asked U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker to stay enforcement of an important Jan. 5 ruling admitting key evidence into the case.

Thursday's filing by the Obama administration marked the first time it officially lodged a court document in the lawsuit asking the courts to rule on the constitutionality of the Bush administration's warrantless-eavesdropping program. The former president approved the wiretaps in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"The Government's position remains that this case should be stayed," the Obama administration wrote (.pdf) in a filing that for the first time made clear the new president was on board with the Bush administration's reasoning in this case.

The government wants to appeal Walker's decision to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, a legal maneuver requiring Judge Walker's approval. A hearing in Walker's courtroom is set for Friday.

The legal brouhaha concerns Walker's decision to admit as evidence a classified document allegedly showing that two American lawyers for a now-defunct Saudi charity were electronically eavesdropped on without warrants by the Bush administration in 2004.

The lawyers — Wendell Belew and Asim Ghafoo — sued the Bush administration after the U.S. Treasury Department accidentally released the Top Secret memo to them. At one point, the courts had ordered the document, which has never been made public, returned and removed from the case.

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The document's admission to the case is central for the two former lawyers of the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation charity to acquire legal standing so they may challenge the constitutionality of the warrantless-eavesdropping program Bush publicly acknowledged in 2005.

The Friday hearing is needed, because disputes with pretrial decisions generally require the trial judge to permit an appeal.

The Obama administration is also siding with the former administration in its legal defense of July legislation that immunizes the nation's telecommunications companies from lawsuits accusing them of complicitity in Bush's eavesdropping program, according to testimony last week by incoming Attorney General Eric Holder.

That immunity legislation, which Obama voted for when he was a U.S. senator from Illinois, was included in a broader spy package that granted the government wide-ranging, warrantless eavesdropping powers on Americans' electronic communications.

A decision on the constitutionality of the immunity legislation is pending before Judge Walker in a separate case brought by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

dannno
01-23-2009, 10:34 PM
wwwhaaaawww whawww wwhaawww whaawwwww


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Reason
01-23-2009, 10:38 PM
I doubt any of us on these forums will be even remotely surprised.

=(

A. Havnes
01-23-2009, 11:57 PM
I wonder what would happen if I went on another, Obamatized forum, and posted this....

I can just see them all trying to come up with watery arguments to refute it.

It'll probably just turn out like the last debate I had, where the guy decided to stop talking with me and focus on simpler things.

Matt Collins
01-24-2009, 12:13 AM
I wonder what would happen if I went on another, Obamatized forum, and posted this....

I can just see them all trying to come up with watery arguments to refute it.

It'll probably just turn out like the last debate I had, where the guy decided to stop talking with me and focus on simpler things.Sounds like a good time to me.

Show me where and I'll post it on an Obama forum :D

coyote_sprit
01-24-2009, 12:58 AM
Sounds like a good time to me.

Show me where and I'll post it on an Obama forum :D

http://theobamaforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=39

Reason
01-24-2009, 02:03 AM
http://theobamaforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=39

I think those forums are satire? I am very confused by their threads/discussions lol...

AdamT
01-24-2009, 02:10 AM
And this surprises anyone here?

dannno
01-24-2009, 02:34 AM
I wonder what would happen if I went on another, Obamatized forum, and posted this....

I can just see them all trying to come up with watery arguments to refute it.

It'll probably just turn out like the last debate I had, where the guy decided to stop talking with me and focus on simpler things.

I got: "I should think you'd at leats be happy that not only is he closing Gitmo but ALL CIA black sites."

hypnagogue
01-24-2009, 01:57 PM
Actually, that slashdot article was shown to be a distortion of the facts. The Obama administration made no declaration of which side they would take. All they did was ask the judge to stay his judgment while they figured out what they would do.

He could still go either way. If you were to look at his votes, you might think he'd go down Bush road, but he hasn't done so yet.

Dequeant
01-24-2009, 02:02 PM
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Matt Collins
01-25-2009, 02:32 PM
Actually, that slashdot article was shown to be a distortion of the facts. The Obama administration made no declaration of which side they would take. All they did was ask the judge to stay his judgment while they figured out what they would do.

He could still go either way. If you were to look at his votes, you might think he'd go down Bush road, but he hasn't done so yet.Do you have a link? :confused:

heavenlyboy34
01-25-2009, 02:33 PM
I doubt any of us on these forums will be even remotely surprised.

=(

But it feels so changefied! :rolleyes::p

HOLLYWOOD
01-25-2009, 02:42 PM
Whereas sociopaths in the Bush administration didn't care how they come off to the public and press... OBAMA Depart of Propaganda, will analyse every situation very closely, and make choices and policies that give BIG controlling government everything they want, while giving the impression to the Public/Masses of CHANGE and FOR THE PEOPLE.

Just like that token BS on White House staffers that make over $100K will have pay freezes. Meanwhile, $100's of BILLIONS are blown on worthless Wall street/Banking assets, bonuses for the true masters of Washington DC, and lining their own pockets for the future.

All a well planned scam!



Actually, that slashdot article was shown to be a distortion of the facts. The Obama administration made no declaration of which side they would take. All they did was ask the judge to stay his judgment while they figured out what they would do.

He could still go either way. If you were to look at his votes, you might think he'd go down Bush road, but he hasn't done so yet.