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ingrid
01-22-2009, 07:35 PM
A satellite image taken during Tuesday's inauguration ceremonies indicates the crowd was much smaller than official estimates, according to an Arizona State University journalism professor.

Professor Stephen Doig estimates the crowd at roughly 800,000, rather than the 1 to 2 million people that officials thought would show up.

Arizona State's Web site, www.asuwebdevil.com, reports that Doig made his estimate after analyzing an image from GeoEye-1, a military-controlled satellite launched in September.

As interesting as the calculation is, the photograph itself is equally amazing.

The image was shot at 11:19 a.m. from a height of 423 miles.

Apparently Secret Service air space restrictions don't quite go up that high.

The photo is available for download from the GeoEye Web site HERE.

If you don't trust Doig, you can always take a look and count the people yourself. The hi-res image includes the mall from the capitol to the Lincoln Memorial.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2463-Chicago-Day-Trips-Examiner~y2009m1d21-Satellite-keeps-watchful-eye-on-inauguration

Here's a link to the high-res image:
http://geoeyemediaportal.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/gallery/ge1/hires/inauguration1_final.jpg

However, the official estimate released by the District is 1.8 million:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103884.html

tangent4ronpaul
01-22-2009, 07:45 PM
Interesting, thanks!

The article:
http://www.asuwebdevil.com/node/3654

-t

rational thinker
01-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Does it really matter? Besides, initial estimates were like at 4 to 5 million. It ended up being under 2. Not a huge disappointment but kind of funny to see them that off.

HOLLYWOOD
01-22-2009, 08:01 PM
How many Hand Flags did the American TAXPAYERS pay for and how many were handed out?

Though the numbers will be skewed, because many were given 2 flags or more. TICKETS... Do the math of the TRUE TURNOUT...

District of Columbia Population (2008)
- City 591,833
- Density 9,639.0/sq mi (3,722.2/km2)
- Metro 5.3 million

NBC, the ORACLE's mouths, OLBERMANN, MATHEWS, et al @ the Socialism Propaganda channels stated over 2 million. Of course it was about half that at best.

I put it in the ballpark of 800K - 1 million.

PICS from the 3 day Inaugural SecurityFest 2009

Obama Inaugural Security 18 January 2009 (http://cryptome.info/0001/inaug-sec-02/inaug-sec-02.htm)

Obama Inaugural Security 19 January 2009 (http://cryptome.info/0001/inaug-sec-03/inaug-sec-03.htm)

Obama Inaugural Security 20 January 2009 (http://cryptome.info/0001/inaug-sec-04/inaug-sec-04.htm)

ihsv
01-22-2009, 08:02 PM
I thought you had to have tickets to get into that event. Can't they count how many tickets they distributed?

satchelmcqueen
01-22-2009, 08:08 PM
from the angles shot from ground level as shown on tv, it looked like there were no spaces what so ever that a human body didnt occupy, but from straight above, its just splotches here and there.

ingrid
01-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Does it really matter? Besides, initial estimates were like at 4 to 5 million. It ended up being under 2. Not a huge disappointment but kind of funny to see them that off.

I thought it was interesting. During Ron Paul events, the media downplayed our numbers and here, they're doing the opposite.

In Maryland, they kept saying the traffic was going to be really bad and to stay off the major roads if you weren't going to the inauguration. When there was no traffic problems, they said it was because people listened to the governor and took the train there instead. :p

BeFranklin
01-22-2009, 08:16 PM
I thought it was interesting. During Ron Paul events, the media downplayed our numbers and here, they're doing the opposite.

In Maryland, they kept saying the traffic was going to be really bad and to stay off the major roads if you weren't going to the inauguration. When there was no traffic problems, they said it was because people listened to the governor and took the train there instead. :p

The communist party in America use to hand out information on how to make yourself look bigger than you appear.

HOLLYWOOD
01-22-2009, 08:24 PM
A better, high resolution Satellite shot of the crowd at Inauguration time:

http://eyeball-series.org/dc-09-0120/dc-09-0120.jpg

constitutional
01-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Pretty cool.

You can see that the blurbs of people extends all the way back to mile and on the sides.

tangent4ronpaul
01-22-2009, 08:31 PM
I thought you had to have tickets to get into that event. Can't they count how many tickets they distributed?

They must have hired DieBold...

;)

-t

ingrid
01-22-2009, 08:33 PM
A better, high resolution Satellite shot of the crowd at Inauguration time:

image

You can zoom in a bit more on that pic with this link:
http://geoeyemediaportal.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/gallery/ge1/hires/inauguration1_final.jpg

tangent4ronpaul
01-22-2009, 08:42 PM
hmmm... considering the pics - methinks someone made a booboo...

Resolution

GeoEye-1 has the highest resolution of any commercial imaging system and can collect images with a ground resolution of 0.41-meters or 16 inches in the panchromatic or black and white mode. It collects multispectral or color imagery at 1.65-meter resolution or about 64 inches, a factor of two better than existing commercial satellites with four-band multispectral imaging capabilities. While the satellite collects imagery at 0.41-meters, GeoEye's operating license from the U.S. Government requires re-sampling the imagery to 0.5-meter for all customers not explicitly granted a waiver by the U.S. Government.

-t

HOLLYWOOD
01-22-2009, 08:54 PM
So does the satellite shot look like say... the ROSE BOWL packed with people (100,000)

8 ROSE BOWLS?
10 ROSE BOWLS?

20+ ROSE BOWLS?

looks more like 2-3 ROSE BOWLS to me.

And YES, as the other poster pointed out, camera angles and the "perception" of much more people than truly attended.

look for yourself:
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/UCLA/aerial.jpg

ingrid
01-22-2009, 09:05 PM
hmmm... considering the pics - methinks someone made a booboo...

Resolution

GeoEye-1 has the highest resolution of any commercial imaging system and can collect images with a ground resolution of 0.41-meters or 16 inches in the panchromatic or black and white mode. It collects multispectral or color imagery at 1.65-meter resolution or about 64 inches, a factor of two better than existing commercial satellites with four-band multispectral imaging capabilities. While the satellite collects imagery at 0.41-meters, GeoEye's operating license from the U.S. Government requires re-sampling the imagery to 0.5-meter for all customers not explicitly granted a waiver by the U.S. Government.

-t

What do you mean?

HOLLYWOOD
01-22-2009, 09:16 PM
Quote:Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul
hmmm... considering the pics - methinks someone made a booboo...

Resolution

GeoEye-1 has the highest resolution of any commercial imaging system and can collect images with a ground resolution of 0.41-meters or 16 inches in the panchromatic or black and white mode. It collects multispectral or color imagery at 1.65-meter resolution or about 64 inches, a factor of two better than existing commercial satellites with four-band multispectral imaging capabilities. While the satellite collects imagery at 0.41-meters, GeoEye's operating license from the U.S. Government requires re-sampling the imagery to 0.5-meter for all customers not explicitly granted a waiver by the U.S. Government.

-t


He means... no satellite picture may have a resolution finer (better) than approximately 19.5". The GeoEye pics gives detail down to 15.85" (meaning it can reslove an object down to that size)

for further information on IMGINT lookup "KEYHOLE" KH-11, 12, 13... Big Bird, Lacrosse/MilStar

BoBoDuFlachi
01-22-2009, 09:21 PM
looks like an owl ......

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m110/Boboduflachi/obamainauguration.jpg

AJ Antimony
01-22-2009, 09:29 PM
Who cares? 10,000+ went to Minneapolis :D

tangent4ronpaul
01-22-2009, 09:34 PM
What do you mean?

I mean the resolution looks a little too good for what it's specked at for "public" consumption. Looks like someone just spilled the beans on what the real resolution of that bird is. Resolutions of mil birds are highly classified information.

-t

tangent4ronpaul
01-22-2009, 10:04 PM
He means... no satellite picture may have a resolution finer (better) than approximately 19.5". The GeoEye pics gives detail down to 15.85" (meaning it can reslove an object down to that size)

for further information on IMGINT lookup "KEYHOLE" KH-11, 12, 13... Big Bird, Lacrosse/MilStar

That's a color image that is supposed to have a max resolution of 64"... the image quality is significantly better than that - and probably better than the 15.85" resolution it's supposed to have with B&W mode. 16" resolution means that a person would be a single pixel.

-t

Lucille
01-22-2009, 10:17 PM
Does anyone know if Paul attended?

UtahApocalypse
01-22-2009, 11:15 PM
when I first saw the sat image I was shocked. Watching on TV it appeared to be completely packed like sardines. Listening to online scanners sounded like they were be overrun by huge crowds at a time.

I look at the satellite and the numbers are much lower then estimates, or the reports after. Lucky if there is 1 million people total. They are spread out, and could easily have packed just the first half of the mall without reaching the reflecting pool.

yaz
01-22-2009, 11:15 PM
would have liked to see those numbers at the revolution march

AJ Antimony
01-22-2009, 11:48 PM
would have liked to see those numbers at the revolution march

Next time we'll just promise free stuff

PatriotLegion
01-23-2009, 07:08 AM
If the sat image picture if it was a true raw full quality picture it would be more then 3.4mb for this picture. My 10 MP camera on its highest setting puts out 3-6mb pictures, 20MP cams puts out almost triple. My cam doesn't have a RAW picture mode so I don't know what size pics come out for 10MP pictures.

speciallyblend
01-23-2009, 07:19 AM
Does it really matter? Besides, initial estimates were like at 4 to 5 million. It ended up being under 2. Not a huge disappointment but kind of funny to see them that off.

yep,remember there were only 10 ron paul supporters in the nation:) and we were in our moms basement?? hmm? kinda hard when i have my own house and mom lives in NE and i am in Co;) I wonder if my mom was in my basement spamming Ron Paul:) she did stay at my house for a few months:)

yaz
01-24-2009, 04:59 AM
Next time we'll just promise free stuff

lol, we supported lower taxes-- isn't that just like free stuff?? :'(

Bruno
01-24-2009, 08:50 AM
It's always interesting to see the Masonic symbolism in how the White House is at the apex of a pyramid of streets, complete with "Eye" (not "I") cross street and everything.