Sieg heil, class!

[mdh]

http://hnn.us/resources/pledgeofallegiance.jpg

Damn socialist commie pink bastards. I knew I hated school when I was a young'un. :)

[noxagol]

The pledge was made WAY before we had public schools AFAIK.

[Kregener]

My oath and pledge is to God and His will for my life.

Our school system was brought here from Prussia, the first true Police State, and rammed down our throats by Dewey.

We see the results all these years later.

[noxagol]

I have yet to see a good argument that such a right exists.

Well, according the 10th amendment, the states have any power that is not explicitly reserved for the federal government and not explicitly denied to the states by the constitution. The ability to leave the union is not denied, so they have it. Also, many of the original state legislatures reserved for their states the right to leave, and all states have the same rights, so if one state can do it, they all can do it.

[axiomata]

Well, according the 10th amendment, the states have any power that is not explicitly reserved for the federal government and not explicitly denied to the states by the constitution. The ability to leave the union is not denied, so they have it. Also, many of the original state legislatures reserved for their states the right to leave, and all states have the same rights, so if one state can do it, they all can do it.
As the "Father of the Constitution" (including the Bill of Rights,) I would hazard to guess that Madison had a good grasp of the original intent. From his own words (http://www.constitution.org/jm/18330312_rives.htm):


The conduct of S. Carolina has called forth not only the question of nullification, but the more formidable one of secession. It is asked whether a State by resuming the sovereign form in which it entered the Union, may not of right withdraw from it at will. As this is a simple question whether a State, more than an individual, has a right to violate its engagements, it would seem that it might be safely left to answer itself. But the countenance given to the claim shows that it cannot be so lightly dismissed. The natural feelings which laudably attach the people composing a State, to its authority and importance, are at present too much excited by the unnatural feelings, with which they have been inspired agst their brethren of other States, not to expose them, to the danger of being misled into erroneous views of the nature of the Union and the interest they have in it. One thing at least seems to be too clear to be questioned, that whilst a State remains within the Union it cannot withdraw its citizens from the operation of the Constitution & laws of the Union. In the event of an actual secession without the Consent of the Co States, the course to be pursued by these involves questions painful in the discussion of them. God grant that the menacing appearances, which obtruded it may not be followed by positive occurrences requiring the more painful task of deciding them?

[LibertyBelle]

It really should be pledging allegiance to the Constitution. An oath for all to the Law of the Land. The flag is great, but flags have been used as Pavlovian symbols. Pledging allegiance to the flag creates that response, my country right or wrong! Play music and see flag.....salivate. My country committing genocide......I love the flag, go America, go! Wave that flag!

I mean, what is pledging allegiance to a flag? I'll go wherever the flag goes? I'll follow the flag down the road of perdition?

[jjschless]

The original intention of the Pledge was three-fold and more capitalistic than this picture states.

The primary reason was capitalistic in nature; the pledge was created as a marketing tool to sell flags to schools. This would help to "unify a nation" that still held wounds from terrible civil war injuries.

The second reason was to promote obedience to the state, the socialist agenda so advertised above.

Finally this was, as another part of the advertising campaign, meant to coincide with the anniversary of Columbus's landing in the Americas, circa 1892.

[axiomata]

It really should be pledging allegiance to the Constitution. An oath for all to the Law of the Land. The flag is great, but flags have been used as Pavlovian symbols. Pledging allegiance to the flag creates that response, my country right or wrong! Play music and see flag.....salivate. My country committing genocide......I love the flag, go America, go! Wave that flag!

I mean, what is pledging allegiance to a flag? I'll go wherever the flag goes? I'll follow the flag down the road of perdition?
I see it as pledging allegiance to what the flag symbolizes, ie., that whole "to the Republic for which it stands" part.

[LibertyBelle]

My oath and pledge is to God and His will for my life.

Our school system was brought here from Prussia, the first true Police State, and rammed down our throats by Dewey.

We see the results all these years later.

That's nothin'! Read this:

Back in 1985, President Reagan and Soviet President Gorbachev signed the U.S. - USSR Education Exchange Agreement. It put American technology into the hands of Communist strategists and, in return, gave us all the psycho-social strategies used in Communist nations to indoctrinate Soviet children with Communist ideology and to monitor compliance for the rest of their lives.

If you have read Brave New Schools or followed the implementation of Goals 2000 -- the massive education program signed into law by President Clinton in 1994 -- you would know that "education reform" has turned our education system upside-down. Our master plan comes from UNESCO, which published the blueprint for "lifelong learning" in 1973. The six goals announced by UNESCO at its World Conference on Education for All in 1990 became the original six goals for the American version of the global education system (See "Zero Tolerance for Non-Compliance").

"If you are as concerned as I am about America's shift from traditional values and factual education to global values and psycho-social strategies for "lifelong learning," you would want to know the answers. You might also wonder why Texas Governor George W. Bush would choose George Shultz, who negotiated the 1985 U.S.-USSR Education Exchange Agreement, as advisor on his presidential exploratory committee. Or why Robert Dole chose Shultz as an advisor during his quest for the presidency in 1996."

Apparently, Governor George W. Bush, the frontrunner among Republican presidential candidates, approves of this system. His education record in Texas shows his support. [15] No wonder, since his father adopted the six goals of UNESCO's world education system and made them the center piece of America 2000, the Republican version of Clinton's Goals 2000. George HW Bush 1991 announcement:

"Nations that stick to stale old notions and ideologies will falter and fail. So I'm here today to say, America will move forward.... New schools for a new world.... Re-invent--literally start from scratch and reinvent the America school.... Our challenge amounts to nothing less than a revolution in American education."

TRAITORS!!!!!! Our schools are very, very 'socialized' now!

Hey, teachers, leave them kids alone!